Chewtobacca

What C3PX and auximenies have written about Chapter Five is entirely reasonable.  The original fifth chapter of The Hobbit will never be as much of an issue as the original Star Wars trilogy. 

Nonetheless, I believe a significant number of people would like a copy of the original version of The Hobbit, if only as a collector's item.  Although the quality of the print might not be an issue, for some people having the original as it was originally composed involves having it as an integrated work - a book being arguably more than a collection of text in one binding. 

Gaffer Tape said:

Geez, I don't think it was done seamlessly at all, and it's something that's always annoyed me.  He visibly retconned the scene in Lord of the Rings by saying that The Hobbit was written by Bilbo, and that the original version was a lie induced by the influence of the ring.  That was seamless.  But when he went back and changed the scene to the "real" version, that totally fucked everything up and was completely stupid and invalidated his own explanation.  What was he thinking?!

Thank you so much!  I thought I was the only one who realized that or had a problem with it.  The discrepancy still bugs me. 

I have never believed that Bilbo wrote The Hobbit, in spite of what The Lord of the Rings says.  It just doesn't feel right.

I would like to have a copy of the original Hobbit, but would ultimately prefer to have the revised version of The Hobbit and edit the Lord of the Rings to fit it.  Controversial, I know!  :-) 

Well, I'm glad you made some progress. You could always buy a WD HD Media player. It plays almost everything, but costs a fraction of what a PS3 does. I rarely burn AVCHDs to disc these days: I just watch them through the player.

Good luck. :-)

Octorox said:

Can someone either send me the rapidshare link for the NTSC DL DVD or explain to me via PM how fanedit.info's download's work?

As with most downloads, you receive a DLC that you use with Jdownloader or whatever download manager you use.

Which NZB are you using, DJ?  I tried several times and couldn't download it and a number of people seem to be having the same problem.  It is the version with the audio fix that you are talking about, isn't it?

Darth Editous said:

I wasn't suggesting he change the frame rate - the Samsung (and VLC) is picking up the wrong framerate, somehow, from the .m2ts.

I know you weren't, my friend, but LG already stated that he has done so in a previous post (near the top). :-)  I was just pointing out that I think he would need to re-encode the audio if he has changed the fps.  I think we have our wires crossed. :D

Darth Editous said:

Remuxing to a .mkv without reencoding the audio should work in this case.

I didn't have to reencode either the audio or the video from my problematic .m2ts - I just had to put them both in a .mkv container and all was fixed.

Wait a minute.  I agree that re-encoding is not necessary if LG is simply changing containers, but if he has changed the frame rate from 24 to 23.976 fps, surely it is necessary.  I had to do this when I re-encoded the AVCHD of EP.IV to make it work properly.

Lord Grievous said:

I'll try remuxing the audio again, see if that helps. The 14GB mkv you mention, is that also colour-corrected?

You need to re-encode the audio not remux it.  Remuxing it won't change anything.  :-)

The 14 GB mkv is identical to the AVCHD.  It just looks better - not greatly, but it looks better.

@Darth Editous, thank you for the comment, if it was meant for me, but the files I was talking about were already mkv files.

Thinking about it, I have had this problem with certain files too. I think it has to certain frame-rates at 1080p.  I have a WD HD media player that doesn't like certain 1080p files that have 25 fps as a frame-rate, but is fine with 720p at whatever combination of frame-rate and resolution. 

I still don't think what you did in tsmuxer is a proper conversion for the audio, so I wouldn't be surprised if you had a problem with the audio, even if you could hear it, if you see what I mean.  I don't know what to suggest.  I really don't think you'd have a problem with ESB if you downloaded it, but it's your decision. 

Thinking about it, Adywan's 14 gb download of ESB was still on the newsgroup last time I looked.  I downloaded it a little while ago.  That is an mkv, so it might be worth your while downloading that.  You wouldn't have to convert it or anything, so you could rule out the conversion to .ts as being a factor - although I don't think it is.  It sounds like your best solution.

I can confirm that the sample is 24 fps.  You can only change the video that way in tsmuxer.  You will need to re-encode the audio.  See my instructions earlier in the thread (not far back).

In answer to your question, there's no problem keeping both audio tracks.

I really think you are on a hiding to nothing spending all this time on the sample.  Just bite the bullet and download the whole AVCHD - V or I.  You know AotC isn't out yet, right? :-)

Lord Grievous said:

 I noticed that all but your AVCHD version of ANH has 24p and the rest at 23.976p, could this be the problem?

EDIT: The sample plays fine on my PC, but VLC says that it has a frame rate of 48 whereas all my other HD videos have either 24 or 23.967. Could this be why it's sped up?

The frame-rate of all the AVCHDs shows up doubled in VLC.  Don't ask me why.  Tsmuxer gives the correct frame rate - check if you want - so that's not the problem. 

23.976 fps is more compatible, so the only AVCHD you might expect problems with is indeed the 24 fps ANH:R.  I don't know what to suggest.  You could try converting the m2ts to an mkv, if your TV supports those (does it act like a media player?).  I don't know how to do this as I have never done it this way before (most people want to go the other way), but I believe therer are ways to do this.  You might try MakeMKV.  

edit - I see Satanika beat me to suggesting making an mkv. :-)

TV's Frink said:

CO said:

My fault, sorry I missed the other thread.  You can lock it.

You shouldn't ask for other people's threads to be locked ;-)

ROTF LMAO!  :-)

That's interesting news, TMBTM!  I'd be interested to see what the quality of these French broadcasts is like.  

Jay said:

Word is that Scott is so busy finishing up Robin Hood that he had nothing to do with the Gladiator Blu-ray. Blade Runner is a reference release in pretty much every way and I doubt he'd put his stamp of approval on Gladiator in its current state.

Maybe not, but if I were a director, I'd be rather vocal if someone released a blu-ray transfer in that state.

I agree with Dr. M.  I would actually go further and say a fully corrected version should be re-uploaded.  A fair few people will be out of their depth trying to make that kind of change, and will end up disappointed.

Baronlando said:

Let's not paint ol' Ridley with the same brush!

Same brush, less paint!  :-)  Those Gladiator blu-rays were a disgrace. 

Gladiator blu-ray

Well, this Austrian TV broadcast thing seems to be a rumor.   Enjoy discussing Indy and other things, guys.  I'm actually finding the discussion quite interesting. :-)

Baronlando said:

One of the guys from digital bits claimed that the Indy blu-rays were ready to come out along with Crystal Skull, but at the last minute Spielberg stopped it because he wasn't happy with how they looked.

George Lucas, Ridley Scott, you guys listening to this? :-)

Any chance of a fixed version?  I'm not really interested in a 4:3 version.

Sluggo said:Hey, off topic again!  Sorry about that.

That's no problem.  I mentioned Star Wars in the first post, as I heard a rumor about it, but you are not off topic, if one takes the thread title literally. :-)  I have no objection to this becoming a general thread discussing new HD broadcasts, as long as the Star Wars rumor is discussed too - so far that's what it remains...

Rumor has it that were new Austrian HDTV broadcasts of episodes 3 to 6 over November and December that are now making their way onto the web. Is this true? 

Apparently they look better than the German broadcasts (!)    I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about this here.  Can any comment on the veracity of these claims? 

Thanks, Ziz!  This should be somethig to see.

Jaiman Tuckuh said:

I'll also post it to the newsgroups, in a week or two.

Let us know when you do!  I take it it will be the usual place. :-)

It's that or rapidshare for me.  I've wanted to watch this recently. Does this new version contain all the footage of TMP, except alternate footage of course?

TheBoost said:

The miniscule point of the plot is that there's a blockade because of taxes of trade routes (as cover for an impending invasion). Other than that... it actually DOESN'T MATTER.  What matters is that it's NOT about a simple tax dispute. Going into the details of a tax dispute the details of which has no bearing on the plot would not make great cinema.

Start of "Star Wars:" Princess Leia is on a diplomatic mission (apparently as cover for being part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor). Whatever it is, the specifics of it actually DON'T MATTER. What matters is she's NOT on a Diplomatic Mercy Mission.

I agree with what you say about Episode IV.  The mercy mission is just a pretext.  It is never revisited, because it doesn't need to be: it's just an excuse, and - yes - it doesn't actually matter.

In Episode I, you can't say the blockade over taxation of trade doesn't matter, and is never revisited.  It causes a crisis on Naboo.  Whatever it is that is being kept out of Naboo is obviously serious.  What is it?   Why is Naboo so severely affected by the lack of trade? Are we supposed to believe that any organisation called a "Trade Federation" does not really care about taxation of trade and it is just a pretext?  If they are not after trade, what is their motivation for being there?  They risk an invasion based on what? To get their hands on what?

The characters have to deal with the blockade later when escaping.  The whole situation is debated in the Senate and leads to the Chancellor being deposed.  The blockade has to be dealt with at the end: all right, it's been mysteriously replaced with one ship to give Lucas his usual save-the-day-with-one-big-bang ending, but nonetheless it's there.    The "pretext" and its consequences are part of the story throughout.  The same cannot be said for Leia's "mercy mission" excuse.

In Episode IV, after Leia's scene at the beginning, we go on to learn:

What the rebel alliance is;

Something about Alderaan to give us a good enough idea of what it is and why it would be plausible cover-story destination for Leia - no weapons, peaceful, part of the Old Republic, her home planet etc;

Why Leia is really going to Tatooine;

Why that big ship is chasing that little ship at the start;

The nature of the Empire.

It's a plausible start.   The princess is on the run because she has vital plans that must be kept out of imperial hands and needs help from someone on Tatooine. Knowing all this makes the beginning meaningful.

In Episode I, after the initial scene, we never learn:

What the Trade federation is;

Why it is interested in Naboo;

How Palpatine came to be involved with those funny-faced people and why;

Why a blockade would benefit a Trade Federation, and if it's an excuse for invasion, why the invasion;

Why a blockade instantly causes a crisis on Naboo.

It's an implausible start that does affect the rest of the film and is never explained by it.  Not knowing all this makes the beginning meaningless.

Thanks for the info, HardwareHank.  I'll look into mkvmerge.  I hope it's as simple as offsetting one track with respect to another.  :-)