Chewtobacca

g-force said:

Chewtobacca said:

Even though you are cropping what looks like part of the picture, you are really not, as that part of the picture could just as easily be black pixels: it would make no difference. 

good point! Just do the top and bottom crop before the stabilization, the sides after the stabilization and you should be fine.

-G

I have actually cropped both before.  I don't see the need to wait after until after stabilization to crop the sides (unless I am missing something, which I might well be).  One might as well stabilize a (slightly) smaller image and 704x288 is still mod16.  Thanks! :-)

g-force said:  Crops about 4 more pixels off from the right side than I found you need to for ANH and 2 more than you need to for ESB, but maybe that's your preference. If you do this before image stabilization, then your left and right borders are going to move.

The borders will move inwards relative to their position on the original image (if you see what I mean.)  It does crop into the image more than you did, but no more than is needed, as the eight pixels on either side of the original are never meant to be seen and are not seen during playback.  Even though you are cropping what looks like part of the picture, you are really not, as that part of the picture could just as easily be black pixels: it would make no difference. 

By the way, I did not check this for ANH yet, just for ESB, but from looking at your ANH script will make no difference.

That would be true, if I had been resizing by A LOT or cropping A LOT, but I was zooming by a factor of 1.011. I'd have to be cropping later in the script by more than 100 to make the values change even 1 pixel. I think my max crop is 14, so the values of the crops shouldn't change.

-G

I see what you mean.  Those values can stay then.  You are just cropping out that ugly line, are you?  There is no other purpose to the crop?  If so, then that is good, as I have judged the crop values visually in Photoshop for my non-anamorphic MKV, which obviously has to have different crop values as it is resized to 720x316

Thanks, G-Force!  I appreciate this. :D

Easterhay said: That said, if he hadn't decided on Leia being "the other" in ESB, how do we explain her use of The Force towards the end of the film where she suddenly sense Luke is still alive and they should go back to him?

Luke specifically attempted to contact Leia with the Force.  She did not suddenly sense Luke:  he called to her, after first trying Ben.  That is why she knew. To whom else could he call out for rescue with the Force?  Han was in carbonite, Lando's allegiance was suspect at best and Luke did not really know him, presumably the droids could not be spoken to with the Force as they were not living beings, and growling Chewie was hardly the best choice to pass on any message. Chewie! Hear me, Chewie! just doesn't work.

Lucas had no choice but to have Luke contact Leia as a deus ex machina, as she was the only one on the Falcon whom he could plausibly contact.  (There is also the fact that the love triangle had yet to be resolved, so the scene could also have served as a sign of Luke's connection with Leia, if Lucas had decided to resolve the triangle the other way.)  I think a significance can be read into this scene -- with Leia as "the other" -- just as a significance could be read into Ben's pause after Luke's question in ANH, but it was not written with that in mind originally.

Thank you, Oldschooljedi! Did you make an specific modifications to the script?

As it happens, it takes me ages to just render out a lossless AVI using G-Force's script, so I do not know if I will be able to take this route after all.  I shall definitely give it a go though.  Thanks for the tip about the subtitles, though I do not think ESB has any, so I should be fine on that front for now.  :-)

TV's Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

He'll get away with it anyway.

Death is the only thing that makes sense anymore.

Is anyone else concerned about this dude?

Yes; that is (at least) the second time you have posted something like that, generalfrevious.  If you really are thinking like that, please seek professional help immediately.  If not, please do not post in that way.

Bingowings said:

I don't think Jay had fan edits in mind when he started the forum either.

Or preservations of non-Star Wars material.

Exactly.  Participation in fan projects is hardly a requirement for membership of ot.com. 

Bingowings said:

Frink is constantly contributing information. ideas and assistance for people on the Fan Edit and Preservation sections.  There are no doubt well regarded projects that would never of happened or wouldn't be as good as they are if it wasn't for people like Frink.

Well said!

Star Trek (great title) was the film that ended the Star Trek phenomenon for me.  I refuse to buy a copy of it, or go to the cinema to see any more Star Trek films.  It will be great to see another of RLM's reviews though.

dark_jedi said:  especially if you find something wrong and have to do it all over again.

You had to say it!  LOL!  I just realized that I forgot to delete Info() from the end of the file.  Doh!

*sound of head banging against wall*

Oh, well, off we go again.  This is the resize I am using for a non-anamorphic MKV, by the way:

Spline36Resize(720,316).Crop(8,12,8,-8,align=true).AddBorders(0,4,0,4)

Now someone can come in and check it and find another error and make me start all over again.

Great Scott!

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/loving-memory-uk-release-blu-ray-review.html

"Aye, lad, it's grim up North."

English Mono PCM 2.0 (48kHz/16-bit)  Now that is what I call audio!

C3PX said: Might just have to stop somewhere for eggs, sausage, and spam.

You need to seek out spam?

zombie84 said:  It reminds me of two films that have a very similar colour pallete, environment, and technological time period. Which is Troy, and Kingdom of Heaven. When you compare the special effects, the costumes and the set design, Troy looks like an extended version of Xena, or some made-for-TV movie while Kingdom of Heaven looks like it could have been a documentary in its level of realism, even though they both were made in almost the exact same year.

I think that is incredibly harsh to compare Troy to an extended version of Xena or a made-for-TV-movie.  While I agree that costume design was better on Kingdom of Heaven, it was certainly not poor on Troy, which was why it was Academy Award nominated for best costume design.  Kingdom of Heaven's production certainly did have that gritty Ridley Scott realism, but it is hard for a film that is set in a mythical era to strike a balance between realism and fantasy, and I think Troy struck that balance really well.

Seedy_Rom

Compared to yours I certainly am!  This looks like it will take a couple of days... :-O

No, it has the same effective resolution.  The extra pixels are junk.  They can be there or not, and it makes no difference to the image displayed on a correctly calibrated TV. Look up nominal analogue blanking, but it is hard to understand at first.  Darth Editous was kind enough to explain it to me.

As I posted before, one can just as easily author a 720x480 DVD with the script.  It makes no difference.  That is not what I think needs to change.  It is the horizontal resizing (728x388) that is unnecessary.  Cropping to 704x288 as opposed to 720x288 might be a tiny bit quicker though, and, as this script is exceedingly slow, I will take that small improvement.  I am rendering now and it is taking ages. :-D

ChainsawAsh said:

- Luke congratulating Wedge at the end

That is one of the few SE additions that I have always really liked.  I like the character of Wedge, and if ROTJ has to end in a big celebration it seems fitting that he is there.  I like the Biggs scene too, especially with Adywan's fix to it.

I agree with Frink.  The apology is appreciated, Easterhay. :-)

g-force said: Sure, I would be more than happy to check the values, but what are the final final changes you are proposing?

-G

Thanks, G-Force!  It was just this part from my earlier post.

For an anamorphic 704x480 DVD, I would change the cropping command near the beginning of the script to:

Crop(8,96,-8,-96,align=true)

and the resizing line later on to:

Spline16Resize(704,384).Crop(0,12,0,-10,align=true).AddBorders(0,58,0,60)

I changed vertical cropping to 12 and -10 because obviously the values have to change if one no longer resizes horizontally.  I take it the purpose of cropping into the image is to remove that ugly line that runs parallel to the borders.  I appreciate your help and really admire all this work you are doing.  :-)

Easterhay said:

Sorry, Chewtobacca - my caffeine intake must have been off the chart the night I posted this.

No problem! :-) What you want from the Empire Strikes Back is actually achievable, so an editor who likes the Cloud City additions might do that at some point.  I take it you prefer Clive Revill as the emperor too.

zombie84 said: I'm kind of rambling now, but the situation is a bit confusing.

I usually find your ramblings rather informative. :-)

Bingowings said: Personally I find it fun to have the jumbled up with the more sober comments but I'm not everyone here, I'm just me.

That is how I feel as well.

C3PX said:  Relax! He was just saying it is not accurate to claim this place as free from trollish behavior, when trollish behavior is pretty much all this place is about these days.

I think that is a little harsh.  While the levity is not to everyone's taste, and might be toned down a bit, it seems a far cry from outright trolling to me.  There is very little of that here, in my experience.

edited - I actually think Frink and Bingowings have toned down the levity a fair bit, or moved it to threads that they have started, or which are otherwise specifically light-hearted threads in the first place.

boba feta said:

Isn't cropping the image early defeating the purpose?

How do you mean?  The cropping would still be at the same point in the script; it would just crop horizontally a little as well as vertically.  If what you say is true though, it could be moved back to the resize stage.

edited - I think 10 and -14 as cropping values do have to change though.  My logic was faulty there.

I would be grateful if someone could check the vertical cropping values that I changed.  I think they are right.

Oh, yes, I agree that G-Force's work is amazing, and I am really grateful to him.   If there is no need to resize horizontally, it should look better--that is all.  :-)

I have taken snapshots of the original into photoshop and followed G-Force's resizing step-by-step.  He is removing the borders so they do not shake after the stabilization and cropping into the picture on the top and bottom to remove that nasty faint line (technical term is?) that is running by the black border top and bottom, which is great, but I am virtually certain that the cropping and resizing does not take NAB into account. 

For an anamorphic 704x480 DVD, I would change resizing line to:

Spline16Resize(720,384).Crop(8,14,8,-10,align=true).AddBorders(0,58,0,58)

This might be a tiny bit faster, before the resizing stage, as the image being processed is a tiny bit smaller, and it would avoid the need for horizontal resizing.  Alternatively, if you must author a 720x480 DVD you could make the resizing line:

Spline16Resize(720,384).Crop(0,14,0,-10,align=true).AddBorders(0,58,0,60)

Actually, DE, if the Anti-Aliasing filter is a line doubler and there has to be a vertical resize anyway, one might as well make this anamorphic, do you not think?