Chewtobacca

You_Too said:So it's not about output but input it seems.

Whenever you convert from RGB to YUV and back again, you have specify the matrix.  ConverttoYV12() is wrong if you intend to output HD.

Darth Editous said:

Shouldn't those converts be using matrix="rec709"?

DE

Yes; they should, assuming HD output. 

I actually quite like the yellow look of those screenshots, but only as a new look.

Then media player classic is doing something wrong or there is something wrong with the settings.  The line has to be ConverttoYV12(matrix="rec709").

You_Too, thank you for posting the Avisynth version, but I take issue with this part:

And to those really into color correcting: The last line should be "ConvertToYV12()" and not have "(matrix="rec709")" added. I tried this first but the colors were messed up. It was enough to have it at the first color conversion line.

This is incorrect.  When you convert back to YUV from RGB, you have to use Rec.709 coefficients if you intend to output HD.  ConverttoYV12() assumes Rec.601 coefficients and would only be correct for DVD.  If the colors were messed up in the script, then something else went wrong, but it is not enough to specify the matrix only upon the initial conversion to RGB.  You have to take this account every time you convert between RGB and YUV.

Although I haven't tested the update, I'm told that the dial. norm. bug has been fixed.

Well, let's hope.  Any thoughts on whether this was the only reason for doing a complete re-encode?

Doctor M said:  If you only let Womble re-encode audio at edit points (as opposed to fully re-encoding), you can get weird volume fluctuations at edit points.

Here's why: Stream copied ac3 leaves the dialog normalization level untouched.  Re-encoded segments have the normalization re-set to -31db (regardless of what you tell Womble to use as the audio source reference).

Is this the only reason why the received wisdom amongst Womble users was to check the re-encode the whole audio if any part needs re-encoding option?  I used to run into problems with players choking on DVDs made from files exported from Womble, so I always used to check this option, along with Gop size compliance for DVD recording and use CRC protection.

Your scripts most certainly are appreciated, Darth Mallwalker.  It looks as if a great deal of work went into them.

TheBoost said:  Perhaps I'm not clear.  We WANT them to re-do the SFX form TNG and Bab5?  I thought this website is against that type of thing?

The effects have to be re-done because they were made in video and cannot be upscaled without looking horrendous.  If TNG is to have a high quality BD release, it will need to have the effects re-done.  The original effects for TNG are already preserved on DVD, so I'm happy for this to happen.  While I can't speak for the whole site, I'm not against this sort of thing at all, as long as the original effects have been preserved and made commercially available.

Re: The DVD-5

Well, the VOBs read as 16:9.  DVD Lab Pro, which I used to author the disc, seems to be defaulting to Letterbox for "Widescreen Movie Display on 4:3" anyway, and I haven't changed that setting.  HCenc now seems to set the sequence_display_extension by default to 540 (it shouldn't technically be set for this disc, but the majority of commercial discs seem to do the same anyway) and it seems that Restream does not want to remove it.  Personally, I think the disc is fine as it is.

Moth3r said:  Really? I've never seen a DVD that implements the 4:3 Pan & Scan option. A "centre of interest" offset is supposed to be encoded in the video stream, otherwise you just end up with the sides cropped and the scanned window stays centered (does not "pan").

I assumed that the behavior was a response to a sequence_display_extension of 540x480 being written in the MPEG-2 header info, which probably means that I inadvertently set the colorimetry in HCenc (which I shouldn't have done). I doubt that I flagged the VOBs themselves as 4:3, but I suppose it's possible.

I understand what you mean about forcing letterbox mode if the player is set to P&S now: if one doesn't encode a centre of interest then you have to do this or in P&S mode there is no panning. 

EDIT:  Moth3r, how do you determine whether a centre of interest has beeen encoded into the MPEG-2 stream?  Restream doesn't seem to show it.

I'll PM Harmy for the links to the DVD and AVCHD and take a look, and if necessary re-author the disc, but most commercial discs that I test seem to have a sequence_display_extension of 540x480 if they take NAB into account.

I make it 820 days, and I still seem to be able to access the files with Astraweb.  Now that I think of it, it was posted to tehparadox a while back.  Try there.

Mavimao said:

I just wanted to point out a quirk about the ESB DVD 5 despecialized version. So I guess this is for Chewtobacco...  For some reason, the pan and scan flag is set for the disk. So if your DVD player happens to be on the P&S auto setting, it'll zoom in on the picture.

Thanks, but that's what supposed to happen if your player is set to pan and scan; it won't come in to play for anyone whose player is set to 16:9.  I take it you have a 4:3 TV?  Just set your player to 4:3 not 4:3 P&S.  A number of commercial anamorphic widescreen discs have this setting.

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msycamore said:   I may revisit this LD for a second attempt at a later time as there are things I would like to improve.

That would be greatly appreciated.  :-)

Bingowings said: I defend that choice of words even if I wouldn't use them myself.

Bingowings has the right of it, in my opinion.  I cringe when I read the phrase and really wish people wouldn't use it, but the fact remains that it is being used properly and not necessarily with any sexual overtones.

jedimike1 said: How exactly do you "add" a certificate folder

You can simply create a folder next to the BDMV folder and call it CERTIFICATE.

Actually, now that I think about, Harmy's workflow when last I heard was to encode the AVCHD with Ripbot and remux it with the additional audio tracks using tsmuxer.  Now, Ripbot seems to use the strict standard for AVCHDs (no certifcate folder) whereas tsmuxer does produce a certificate folder when you remux, so I would guess that it makes no difference either way.  (If you want what Harmy produced, add a certificate folder.)

Strict AVCHD standard does not require a certificate folder, but I believe that Harmy authored the disc using the looser standard, in which case it should indeed have one.  As the disc is movie-only, it might well play anyway, but personally I would add a certificate folder before burning.

Bingowings said:

Titusgroan.

That's gormenghastly, Bingo.

hormone

Stick around, Pennsylvania Jones. :)

Ziggy Stardust said:  Not the SE not being included part, (which is fine with me) but that I just found out that E.T is getting a blu-ray release about a minute ago.

I did too! It is great news that the theatrical cut is being released on BD.

TheBoost said: You mindless philosopher.

lol!

@Adywan

Thanks for posting all those images.  Some of them are great to see.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said: I disagree that it's a waste of time.  If we save a few people from spending their hard-earned money on something they would oppose if they knew the facts, then we will have made a few people's lives better.

Exactly!  One has to be philosophical about these things.

I hope that you get your car back, Sluggo.

Congratulations, SilverWook!  I can't think of a better choice.

Congratulations on releasing this, msycamore! :) Thanks for your consideration in respect of the audio mixes and the colors.