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ww12345 said:

Ah, interesting. What's your reasoning behind Cinderella? Not knocking it, just wondering...

I just like it.  That's all.

I'd like to make clear, though, that the list is not in the order that I rate the films as art; it's in the order in which I am interested in preservations, which is not quite the same thing. I can put up with the Sleeping Beauty BD more readily than the Cinderella one, partly because it's still a treat to see it in 2.55:1.  Snow White is at the end because I like it but not as much as the others.  Bambi and Peter Pan are not on the list because I am under the impression that, while their releases have some issues, they did not suffer quite as badly as the others, so I'm not keen to share the costs of prints of those.

ww12345 said:the last hurrah of Sleeping Beauty.

That's a good way to put it.  :-)

Here is a list that shows approximately my level of interest.

• Cinderella
• Sleeping Beauty
• Pinocchio
• Snow White

These are what I consider to be the best of "old school" Disney.  I have a little interest in Fantasia but am not keen to contribute to a preservation of it because of the problems that you listed.

ww12345 said:No, that is from a British seller, so it is really 350 GBP! :O

Sorry.  I thought the prints in that post were all from the same seller and, as the others were all priced in dollars and the symbols are next to each other on the keyboard, I assumed that Pinocchio was a typo.  (If they are from the same seller, I find it strange that the prices are listed in different currencies.)

ww12345 said:what print were you thinking of getting?

Our PMs were initially about Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, for which Poita intended to bid.  His latest PM drew my attention to your latest post, which at the time was #108.  Of the prints listed there, I would consider sharing the cost only for Pinocchio: the others have either not suffered quite as badly in their commercial releases (in my opinion) or simply do not interest me as much.

Thanks for posting all the information, ww12345.  I assume that the price for Pinocchio contains a typo and should be in US dollars.  :)

Poita and I have been talking about sharing the cost of a print, which he will use to make a preservation.  Let us know if you are interested sharing the cost too.

Doctor M said:My 16x9 comment was merely that it would fill the screen, but not remove anything they didn't expect to be cropped in theaters.

Ah!  That is a point.  I understand now.

Doctor M said:

Do you mean the LD is hard to find or the Limited Issue DVD?

I meant the DVD.  Hence the dvdcompare reference.  I shall edit my post for clarity though.

Considering those era Disney films were meant to work both 4x3 and matted to widescreen, the newer 1.75:1 release is probably just as reasonable (not matted on the left and right)  and better if you have a 16x9 TV.

I understand why you think the newer release might be better for a 16:9 television, but I find that most animations that are composed in 4:3 and cropped for theatrical release look awkwardly framed, as if a fixed amount has been cropped off top and bottom throughout the film, just so it can shown in widescreen.  That's why I'm interested in the old DVD.

Doctor M said:It's the same master as the laserdisc though, so that's good.

I assume that the LD is 4:3 too.

The cropping doesn't bother me.  It's a shame that the DVD is so hard to find.  According to dvdcompare, it was available for only sixty days.

Knightmessenger said:Would anyone be interested in those?

I am interested in The Jungle Book.

My canon is TOS, TNG, DS9, and the films up to and including Generations.

Asaki said: It's not Mann's best film by any means, but it's neat in its own way...and a little bad in places (in a good way).

Thanks.  I've just watched the DVD, and I agree with you.  And thanks to dvdmike for posting the file-name, without which I couldn't have found it.

greenpenguino said: The persians and greeks were wearing them roughly 600 years before Jesus was supposedly born.

The Persians (and Gauls and Germans) wore them, but not the Greeks and Romans, who thought them effeminate.

I'd be happy with any version just so I could see the film.

Here.

Bingo is referring to name changes that affected two British commercial products, Frink.  The former is a chocolate bar, and the latter, a cleaning product.

doubleofive said:

He's being Old and Stubborn.

He and I both!

Moth3r said:  What about .avi files, do you say "A. V. I." or "avvy"?

I say the former, a pronunciation I retain when it's part of the word "Avisynth".  I've heard other people say it like this online.  Until now, I have heard only one person pronounce "Avisynth" like the word "avid".

How do people say MeGUI?

The theatrical cut of STVI was released only when the BD (and the DVD that accompanied it) came out.  The Widescreen Collection DVD does have three minutes of added material, which includes Operation Retrieve.  The Special Collector's Edition has the added material too but also added flashbacks to the mind-meld scene.

EDIT:  I see you guys have realized this.

I didn't get you wrong (and I agree with you).  It's just that I don't think that the comparison shot is a very good one.

dvdmike said:  Less detail

I'm sure you're right, but the D-theater in that comparison shows combing (on the cyclist) and is not the same frame.  Personally, I think they both look like ****. Unfortunately, they are the best that's available.

Thanks.  Three alternate takes isn't too bad.  Using the BD as the main source would still be the way to go.

bigrob said:  is there a HDTV airing floating around?

Yes. There was at one point, but it's not very good.  I deleted it a while back.

The EE does not really harm the film, in my opinion, but I can see why people would want the theatrical.  Are there alternate takes like Amadeus?  If not, editing the BD would be the way to go.

Hi.

What happened to Papai 2012?

@Andrea

This sounds like a great idea.  I'd be interested in seeing what the NTSC LD looks like.

dvdmike said: You are correct about the UK disc, by far the best of a bad bunch

Is it possible to recut the UK BD to match the theatrical cut or are there alternate takes?

That would be interesting to see, but I've always found Colourlike's results, even on individual shots, to be unimpressive.  It's a shame that no one has done for PureImage what Darth Editous did for Photoshop's Selectivecolour, because PureImage usually produces great results. Making it work with 1080p is impractical though:  the files are just too big.

Darth Mallwalker said:

Perhaps I should have said:
SelectEvery(10, is better than SelectEvery(5, if the source is YV12.

With 4:2:0 source you want to keep whichever two fields were encoded together.
Not always the first two or always last two, but alternating.

 

I believe I understand now.  Thanks for the explanation.

penguinofgreatness said:I'm still hoping for a followup to AntcuFaalb's Chroma/Luma separation technique.

Thanks!  I've been trying to find that post for a while.

AnctuFaalb, how exactly did you determine that the DVNR affected only the chroma?  By the way, thanks for pointing out my post in g-force's thread.