Chase Adams

SparkySywer said:

Not a fan of the SEs or this change, but the usual reason given in favor of it is that Vader’s hiding information from Palpatine. He doesn’t want Palpatine to know that he already knows Luke is his son.

It raises a few more questions, though. Like, why would Palpatine care if Vader already heard about it? Or, why is the movie bringing this up when it’s never really relevant again? Plus, I don’t think that’s actually what Lucas had in mind when making the change.

Yeah, agreed.

But that explanation isn’t so horrible, and while I much prefer the original, it’s good enough for me.

My biggest issue with adjusted the dialogue is that to first time viewers watching the SE edition, Vader’s line of “How is that possible?” is going to stick out immediately as an error or at very least be confusing after what the film sets up until that point. The explanation that many people give the change probably won’t be clear straight away. Not that it’s even very clear if you spend ages thinking about it. 😉

I wouldn’t call SE fans insane, though.

Noted, OP edited.

During the Darth Vader’s suit scene in the climax of ROTS:

Palpatine: Lord Vader… My goodness you’ve grown!

Vader: So have you, far more beautiful I mean, for an emperor I mean.

Special Edition defenders assemble!

“I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.”
“How is that possible?”
“Search your feelings Lord Vader, you will know it to be true.”

Yes, many Star Wars fans hate this line, but I cannot for the life of me wrap my head over these two things:

1. What is the justification for such a bizarrely specific dialogue alteration? As we know the 2004 SE’s changes largely served the purpose of bridging continuity between the PT and the OT, (an endeavour done poorly and quite in bad taste in my and clearly countless others’ opinion) since the emperor has been altered to his ROTS appearance, you would think that a dialogue change between him and Darth Vader would reflect that film’s events, but does it?
   Palpatine tells Vader at the end of ROTS that he killed Padme, implying that her unborn child would have been killed as well, so if Luke’s birth was a truth that Palpatine had been concealing, why would he respond to Vader’s confusion about Luke’s existence by basically saying, “Well duh, how could you not have known?”
   Was Vader discovering the birth of his children part of his ridiculously convoluted plan that the prequels established?
   Before you say anything about Palpatine not actually knowing the twins were born at the end of ROTS, I know, I’m basing this argument on the assumption that in the SE, he learnt of Luke’s existence sometime before ESB.
   Which leads me to address another blinding issue with this dialogue change, why does Vader act like a a clueless idiot and why would they make his line create a direct plot-hole with the opening of the film?
   The opening crawl establishes that Vader is obsessed with finding young Skywalker, and in Vader’s first scene he refers to Luke BY NAME: “and I’m sure Skywalker is with them” so unless by the time ESB is set Darth Vader has forgotten that his name used to be Skywalker, him saying “how is that possible?” to Palpatine is one of the most bafflingly stupid changes you could make to the Vader/Luke storyline in ESB.
   (And don’t give me that shit that he was just playing dumb to hide his defiance of his master or whatever, because not only is that tonally confusing to Vader’s ESB character, but it is NOT evident that this is the case in the SE version of the film.

2. What could possibly be the in-universe explanation for this confusing mess in the context of the ‘definitive SE canon’ or whatever Lucasfilm considers it? (I’m planning a topic on such an issue in the coming days buy the way)
   Looking back at the questions I raised in my first paragraph, how is all of this contradicting, vague retconning and flimsy loopholes explained in post film saga material and/or in-universe? (Not that it really would matter to anybody on this forum, but it’s probably worth discussing)

Bonus points if you’re a SE defender and have some convoluted argument IN FAVOUR of this SE change! 😦

Hal 9000 said:

Just like Carrie Fisher in TROS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9HjxaNqU4c

That gold-trimmed TIE is quite nice. I certainly support such a change being made!

However Poppasketti,
I think you need to… reflect on that clip you posted. If you catch my drift… 😉

DominicCobb said:

How about when Rey defeats Palpatine you suddenly see Anakin’s face deepfaked on top of hers.

I could swear I actually saw somebody do exactly that on YouTube…

The difference is minimal, it’s likely that the ship’s exterior had been stripped whilst it was sitting around in the desert:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Replace every instance of the Imperial March with this.

What the hell… That’s not even music, it just sounds like somebody got the Imperial March and replaced every individual note with a different, random one. This is absolutely the worst Star Wars music remix I have ever heard. No competition.

/thread

Hal 9000 said:

Anyway, it might just work pretty okay to straight up remove the line.
https://vimeo.com/522640034

Clip sucks cause Rey’s dad is missing his third eye on his forehead. 😠

Jk, that removal was so seamless I forgot when the original line was meant to be spoken. 👍

Neerb said:

Do we know for sure that the hair is still happening? Last update I recall, ~80 pages and two months ago, was this post by jonh which seemed to basically say that he can’t do it all and has done all he can:

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1400030/action/topic#1400030

As far as I know, the hair is still happening. Jonh applied a haircut and some subtle weight loss to Luke in basically every single shot it needed to be. When he said that he’s done all that he can, he was referring to one or two shots were the camera movement made it impossible to apply a mask. Specifically during the line, “A thousand generations…”

Somebody, (I think it might have been DominicCobb???) Addressed several small masking errors and provided screenshots to show where some minor fixes needed to be made. Jonh acknowledged the screenshots and said he’ll work on it. That’s the last we’ve heard on the matter.

Anakin Starkiller said:

It ish a pewiod of civiw waw.
webew spaceships, stwiking
fwom a hidden base, have won
theiw fiwst victowy against
da eviw Gawactic Empiwe.

Duwing da battwe, webew
spies managed to steaw secwet
pwans to da Empiwe’s
uwtimate weapon, da def
staw, an awmowed space
station with enough powew to
destwoy an entiwe pwanet.

Puwsued by da Empiwe’s
sinistew agents, pwincess
weia waces home aboawd hew
stawship, custodian of da
stowen pwans that can save
hew peopwe and westowe
fweedom to da gawaxy.…

Quite a return.

SparkySywer said:

Idk man, when you were younger did you ever have that one guy in your friend group that nobody really was that close with, but they thought you guys were super close?

Yes, except that one guy was me. 😕

As a side note to my previous post, I just found the comparison for the ghost de-blued effect. (Turns out it wasn’t a LUT, my mistake!)

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/7KZYLNNX

Personally I prefer the 100% application and would love to see it implemented.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s a full mockup of the Ach-To sequence, featuring a regrade by NeverArGreat:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UpnKp8-35PMwuWDXiv2ZjIvsZ93y0BE0/view?usp=sharing

I actually really, really like this! 😃

My only suggestions would maybe be that the colours of the very first shot of the island are a little funky looking and could probably match the following shots a little better. I also think the moment inside of Luke’s hut should by made a little more distinctly nighttime since at the moment it looks a little too ‘day-to-night’ if you get that reference. 😉

Slightly off-topic but Hal, have you experimented with a slightly more intense setting to the de-blued Luke ghost? I remember back when the LUT by Skenera was provided, you decided on going for like a 75% setting? I think??? I’d be interested to see what a 100% setting would look like with this new day cycle grading applied. 🤔

poppasketti said:

https://vimeo.com/518423850
pw: fanedit

It’s not perfect, and you can definitely see the seams, but I think if you add the new puppets it should cover up pretty well. I can also provide a tracked foreground plate of the stage so you can place the puppets behind it.

😱
Impressive, most impressive.
Fantastic work as always Poppasketti!
You say it’s not perfect, but I honestly cannot see a single thing wrong with what you’ve got there. I reckon that since the cloth material is rippling so much, it kinda hides any potential roughness to the removal.

AntonioGK said:

Bro, how do you separate the music from the audio channels??

Here to ask the same question.
Mate, this is some quality audio editing. perhaps the cleanest music removal I’ve heard on these forums! I would absolutely kill to have a prequel trilogy with the music scrubbed out. Please share your secrets JakeRyan17!

RogueLeader said:

Another alternative for the puppets, it would be funny if there was a puppet Kylo that took a swing at puppet Luke, but the puppet went below stage, then popped back up behind Kylo. Then we see kids laughing.

Basically, we see Luke taking the wind out of the First Order’s sails, making the next generation less afraid of the First Order. And since the First Order rules by fear, then their authority will fall apart. I think it all ties back to the themes we’re trying to hit pretty well.

I love this! 😄 RogueLeader, how do you come up with your ideas? 😉

Since there seems to be a lot more interest in the statue shot than I had thought, I’m going to give it another pass. In my eyes, as it stands now, it’s not quite up to scratch yet.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

How did JJ and Terrio not realize the potential here?

That question can be applied to every aspect of the entire film, yet there is no conceivable answer.

Edit:

Agreed DZ-330! 👍

Movies Remastered said:

That sounds great! I’ve got a bunch of scenes I’m already working on but I could maybe try to make a clean plate for you if you wanna take the first run at it?

I would love it if a clean plate could be made, that’s a good starting point.

Moving the images digitally won’t cut it, they need natural 3D motion, I’ve got a good green screen at home, if I could create those puppets physically, I could move them around on sticks to make it look like it was filmed.

Wait, so someone actually created an image of puppet or something for that shot?

Edit:

What the fuck that’s amazing! How did I not see that before!

Movies Remastered said:

That’s actually a really great idea. I think someone took a run at it before?

What story can be hinted at within 24 frames though? It’s hard to create Luke disappearing or light sabers etc. A gorilla walker would be easy but it’s tricky for it to be clear enough it’s Luke.

If we could pull this off, it would be like the defining moment of this edit. The money shot.

Urgh… Now I really want to try and do it!

Knight of Kalee said:

It’d be great if someone could tinker with the Sith statue behind Kylo Ren to make it look like Darth Nihilus or Revan.

Gave it a shot:

https://youtu.be/LLmAaf8SRwA

Mind you, this is a first attempt.