Channel72

Superweapon VII said:

If Star Wars was the least bit realistic, all warfare would be done by droids. You wouldn’t put a organic being with imperfect reflexes into the cockpit of a fighter and send them to take out an artificial planetoid and sacrifice their life needlessly if you have the technology to build a robot fighter equipped with a strong AI which isn’t limited by the flaws that flesh is heir to.

In the Prequels there actually was an entire army of droids and fighter-ships with droid or AI pilots. But the movies insist that cloned humans are superior somehow. The excuse is that organic/biological beings are better at thinking creatively which gives them some sort of advantage in combat - a pretty dubious proposition.

I guess Jedi pilots might actually be superior to an AI in some cases. Even the best AI can only probabilistically try to predict the future, but a Jedi has actual, supernatural precognition.

Yeah, Qimir is turning out to be a great villain. He’s the most interesting character on the show.

Lee Jung-jae as Sol is also great. There’s a brief scene in this episode where he almost cries, and the acting is just top notch.

The main problem with this show is that the main character(s), Osha/Mae, are really the least interesting characters. The problem with Mae in particular is her motivation seems very incoherent. It changes all the time, forcing the audience to come up with explanations on the fly. At one point she wants to turn herself in to the Jedi all of a sudden, but then in the next episode she just starts fighting the Jedi, and then in this episode she deceives Sol by pretending to be Osha and contemplates murdering Sol when his back is turned. I mean, it’s fine for a character to have mixed or inconsistent motivations, or to be hesitant or unsure of what they want. But Mae’s actions came off to me as confusing, as if different writers were not communicating with each other when they wrote for Mae.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Qimir somehow connects with the Knights of Ren. The Kylo music in the previous episode is one hint. But also the imagery of training on a small, remote island, is obviously meant to invoke the Sequel Trilogy. If Qimir turns out to be “Ren” or whatever, it would also sidestep the issue with the Sith being discovered prematurely in the timeline. Qimir did say the word “Sith”, but he was kind of vague about. He said something like “you’d probably call me a Sith” or whatever, as if he didn’t have the words to explain exactly what he was. Although, Qimir quoting the Sith mantra, “peace is a lie”, is an obvious counter-point.

I have no idea what sort of lore exists around the Knights of Ren in comics/novels, but maybe they’re some offshoot order of Dark Side users that began with a former Sith or whatever.

theprequelsrule said:

I like the concept of him from Star Wars 1977. He was a peer of Obi-wans (quite close in age) who was murdered by Obi-wans young pupil Darth Vader. A great starfighter and cunning warrior; Obi-wan obviously finds nothing wrong with praising martial prowess. This is because The Jedi were basically special forces rather than warrior monks. They probably banged a lot of chicks.

Certainly this guy did:

I’m really surprised the writers never allowed Rey to actually use her yellow lightsaber in Episode 9 (except for a brief shot moments before the credits roll). In ROTJ, the final installment of the OT, Luke whips out a cool new lightsaber with a unique color that had never been seen before. It’s uniquely Luke’s weapon, and he uses it for the whole movie. I’m surprised they didn’t do the same for Rey, but instead kept the blue one for all 3 films. (Wasn’t that Anakin’s saber? I try to forget these movies.)

Bizarrely, unless I’m remembering wrong, the previous movie (Last Jedi) even set things up so that Rey would need a new lightsaber in Episode 9. Isn’t there a scene in Episode 8 where her lightsaber is ripped apart? You’d think that would nicely segue into a new, personalized lightsaber for Rey in Episode 9. But I guess not.

If I’m remembering correctly, all Jedi lightsabers in the Prequels were either blue or green. The only exception was Mace Windu’s purple saber. Fans and EU writers later ascribed meaning to these colors, with blue and green denoting positive things like “peace” or “life”. Apart from Star Wars, psychologically speaking, blue and green are associated with feelings of serenity, calm, life, nature, etc - things that reflect the Jedi philosophy.

The Sith used red lightsabers - a color associated with violence, passion, fire or blood. Windu’s purple saber apparently reflected his ability to partially tap into the Dark Side in limited ways - thus his lightsaber is purple, a combination of blue and red. (In reality, I think Sam Jackson just thought it would be cool to have a purple lightsaber. Fans or EU writers derived the lore after the fact.)

Perhaps yellow never appeared in the Prequels because colors like yellow and orange share certain psychological similarities with red, in the sense that they invoke things like “heat”, “fire”, “alert”, “warning”, etc., and thus seem a bit too “Sith-y” perhaps, or at least not sufficiently “serene” to be appropriate for a Jedi. I don’t claim that George Lucas consciously went through such a thought process - it’s just my conjecture.

Later on, Disney probably started depicting yellow lightsabers merely for the novelty factor. They wanted to show some cool new lightsaber colors we hadn’t yet seen, and there simply aren’t that many colors remaining that would work visually. So they went with yellow.

Channel72 said:

Anyway, the show seems to be hinting that Qimir might actually be the Sith Lord - with Qimir prodding Mae along and then conveniently disappearing before the Sith Lord appears. But I kind of doubt it, because it seems too obvious at this point. (Also did Qimir stash his cool Sith armor under a tree somewhere in advance?)

Well… clearly I was wrong about this. I can’t believe it was actually Qimir. Like… they made it so obvious that I thought it had to be an intentional misdirect.

Anyway, I’m glad I was wrong, because Qimir is actually kind of awesome as a Sith. And the fighting style is unique and frenetic.

Probably the best episode so far. Still lots of problems though, like the Jedi ability to read minds is just frustratingly inconsistent. I’m wondering why they didn’t try to read Qimir’s mind back in Episode 2 when they interrogated him. Actually, why didn’t they arrest him? He was clearly an accessory to murder. This is a consistent problem with this show - the writing is just very sloppy sometimes. Mae and Osha have now switched places - just like in The Parent Trap! What wacky antics will ensue? And why can’t Sol sense that the person in front of him is not Osha? Whatever. Sometimes I wish I could enjoy a Star Wars show without having to question what’s happening every 5 seconds.

JadedSkywalker said:

Why were the actors in the original able to convincingly act to puppets and bluescreen, why was the dialog in most places much more natural. What happened. Lucas can’t have slipped that much in 16 years between Return of the Jedi and Phantom Menace. Some essential thing was missing and I can’t quite quantify what.

The “Secret History of Star Wars” is mostly about trying to answer this question. It’s an interesting read if you have the time. Basically, the conclusion is that Lucas never slipped. He was always this way, even back in the 1970s. But the difference is that when making the OT, Lucas had much less control and was beset with problems and limitations. This had the effect of smoothing over many of Lucas’ weaknesses. The dialogue was often rewritten or cleaned up by Lucas’ friends, there was more push back about things since Lucas had not yet ascended to the status of demi-God at that point. An entire movie (Empire Strikes Back) was directed by Kershner, often without any oversight from Lucas, etc.

theprequelsrule said:

And I will say what others are afraid to say: one of the reasons I like the OT is because the protagonist is a man. I like the hero’s journey idea. It is inspiring and more men need stuff like that in their lives. It is okay for something to be about and for (primarily) men and their experiences. The opposite is, of course, also true.

Ironically, Disney originally bought Star Wars because they wanted to expand their appeal to the male demographic. For decades, Disney content was more associated with the female demographic (e.g. Disney princesses, etc.) Bob Iger wanted to expand Disney’s appeal by encompassing broader content that would appeal to both men and women. That was, according to Iger, part of the long-term strategy behind buying Marvel and Star Wars - to get more males watching Disney content. Obviously, at some point between 2012 and the late 2010s, this thinking shifted.

Personally, I really like the idea of a female protagonist for Episodes 7 through 9. I think having another male protagonist for the third Trilogy would be too repetitive. If I could rewrite episodes 7 through 9, I would keep the female protagonist (I’d rename her though, I hate the name Rey). My primary gripe with the Sequels is not that the protagonist is female, but rather that they wrote the story as a reboot which wiped out all the prior progress established in the OT (e.g. the New Republic, Luke’s Jedi order). I would have loved a trilogy starring Rey, where she becomes Luke’s star pupil, and ultimately she carries on the Jedi torch after Luke dies. But that’s just not what we got.

JadedSkywalker said:

I get that part about Sidious being behind both sides of the conflict so he could declare himself absolute ruler. Why did Jar Jar give him emergency powers again? Also, Padme was maneuvered into making him Chancellor in the first place. When Bail Antilles probably would have won the election. Since Palpatine is the one who stirred up lies that Valorum was corrupt, but you can’t argue that he wasn’t ineffective as a chancellor. He was a friend to the JEDI, I guess that made it doubly useful to ruin him.

Well, that’s what I’m saying, the Prequel scripts have very little “connective tissue”. They convey the bare facts relevant to the plot and that’s it. For example, in Phantom Menace, Palpatine uses his alter-ego to manipulate the Trade Federation into invading a planet, causing the Senate to lose faith in the current Chancellor and replace him with Palpatine. Those are the bare facts, but the connective tissue just isn’t there.

Like for example, I have no clue why the Trade Federation even agreed to invade Naboo. We can assume their goal is to get lower taxes, but there’s no connective tissue in the script that explains why they believe invading Naboo will result in lower taxes. So we have to mentally stitch the script together and assume some elaborate backstory between Sidious and the Nemoidians that explains why they even listen to him and why they believe he can get them lower taxes and why they believe that blockading and then invading some random planet will lead to lower taxes eventually. Lucas just didn’t do the work to thread these plot elements together in a clear, coherent narrative.

JadedSkywalker said:

Other than Revenge what is Palpatine’s endgame, Ian is brilliant but the story makes no sense if you bother to ask questions. What was the trade federation boycott of Naboo about, Tariffs? What in the force does Sidious need taxes for. Why does he want to ruin the Naboo. And that is just in the first episode. In II he makes the Jedi the Generals of his army to then in III just murder them all because he sets Anakin on a path to betray them.

The writing in the Prequels forces the audience to fill in lots of gaps, especially in Phantom Menace, because the script is loaded with hand-waviness. I think AOTC and ROTS are a bit more straightforward: Palpatine’s goal is to kill all Jedi and become an absolute monarch. He does this by forcing the Republic into a civil war and making them use an army he created in advance. He antagonizes the Jedi by abusing his emergency powers, then when some Jedi representatives confront him, he kills them and accuses the Jedi of insurrection. Then he presses the “off” button on the Separatist army (???), and sends Anakin to kill their leaders. Then he builds a Death Star over the next 20 years and then fires the Senate. Finally, after all that, he finally gets to relax and enjoy his absolute unlimited power… for about a few days or so, before the Death Star explodes.

I kind of feel bad for Palpatine now… like, he did all that work and he put up with those stupid Nemoidians and the stupid Senate and their boring meetings for 20 years and then some random whiny kid blew up his cosmic fear machine.

JadedSkywalker said:

Get the mods involved I have no way to prove who and who isn’t a sock I have to use best judgment and treat people equally.

Wait, is anyone real? Am I real?? Are we all sock puppets? I’m having an existential crisis now.

JadedSkywalker said:

The problem i have with Oz though is that Dorothy was bonked on the head and it was a dream, without Oz being a real place, a secondary universe the myth is shattered. Film is almost perfect for me but for the ending.

But then Dorothy went back to Oz in the 80s, had some more adventures, then returned to Kansas again, but this time the existence of Oz is at least ambiguous. Also, one time Diana Ross ended up in Oz where she met Michael Jackson.

^ Okay, thanks for the explanation.

I guess these days with cheap VPNs everywhere it’s pretty hard to prove sockpuppetry, which is probably why the forum moderators don’t do anything. You’d really have to use probabilistic methods and compute some metric like variation of information to compare posts from different accounts to find similarities in writing style. But this requires a decent sample size for accuracy and the forum moderators likely don’t have the time for something like that.

I have no idea what’s going on.

Out of curiosity, how do you all know there are multiple sock puppet accounts posting here? I mean, the person accused of using sock puppet accounts is someone that has created some genuinely interesting, well researched, high-quality threads. I agree their recent post attacking Spartacus01 is just… bizarre - not quite sure what to make of that.

Anyway, I’m just curious what the evidence is, and the history behind all this, since this seems to be a well known thing around here.

I was thinking about the dinner scene on Cloud City. It’s a great, iconic scene - Han and Leia casually walk into the dining room, believing everything is okay, only to see Vader just sitting there at the head of the table.

But like… it’s one of those things that makes very little sense if you think about it. What was the point of staging the dinner? Why didn’t Vader simply arrange for Stormtroopers to come to Han/Leia’s hotel room and just arrest them there? Why the elaborate ruse? Presumably, the Empire already had control of the entire city even before Han and Leia arrived, so the subterfuge just seems unnecessary.

Also, I wonder what happened after Vader disarms Han… did they actually sit and eat dinner? (In earlier drafts, apparently, they did actually sit and eat dinner… not sure how they depict Vader eating, or if he refrains from eating.)

BedeHistory731 said:

Aren’t there schools on the Enterprise-D? I would’ve thought The Traveler couldn’t go within 1000 feet of one.

Obviously, the Traveler manipulated space and time to remove himself from Starfleet’s Interdimensional Sex Offender Registry database.

Japan is a beautiful country with incredibly clean major cities, but it has a severe lack of public garbage cans, making it difficult to throw away trash when you’re out and about.

The United States is a much dirtier country, with trash strewn about the streets of major cities, yet public garbage cans are everywhere and usually easy to find when you need one.

Hmm… so I guess more garbage cans paradoxically leads to increased litter? At least, that’s my clueless, single-variable analysis of this subject that ignores all other factors.

G&G-Fan said:

I’ve gone on rants on this site about some flaws of ROTS, but every time I rewatch it, I get swept up in emotion and really enjoy it.

Man, I wish I had the same reaction. After I saw so many positive reactions to ROTS I wanted to give the movie another chance. But when I tried rewatching it like around 2 years ago, it just came off as hopelessly flawed. There were glimpses of chemistry between Anakin and Obi-Wan in the opening space battle scenes, but it was just way too little and way too late. The middle segment of the movie is a CGI circus featuring a cartoon cyborg riding a unicycle while a cartoon lizard chases him.

Anakin’s turn seemed paradoxically both too sudden and also predictable, because his entire arc was mostly incoherent and spastic. He already slaughtered an entire village in the previous movie, then reverted back to “good guy hero” mode, then immediately agreed to mass-murder children like an hour after we saw him having a fun adventure with Obi-Wan. The Order 66 scenes have some dramatic weight, but just barely. The ending lightsaber duel is mostly meaningless spectacle until the very last scene, when Ewan McGregor breaks down in tears, which I admit does manage to bring out a bit of emotion in me… but again, it’s just way too little and way too late.

I’ve tried to enjoy this movie, and I’ve always been jealous of those who do, because I’ve always wanted an Anakin Skywalker movie I could enjoy. On paper, it’s such a compelling story. The real “Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker” is that his story was never properly told.

I’ve seen lots of people online complaining about the supernatural conception of Mae/Osha via the Force, because they feel it detracts from the uniqueness of Anakin’s story.

I guess this is another symptom of the widespread “reevaluation” of the Prequels online over the past 10 years. But from my perspective, the whole virgin birth and “Chosen One” aspect of Anakin’s story was a completely stupid idea in the first place, so I really don’t care if some later story messes with it. Maybe the Acolyte writers will actually do something interesting with the concept, but I doubt it. The whole concept is just dumb.

For me, this was probably the most enjoyable episode to watch so far. It focused mostly on the Jedi team, which has always been the most interesting aspect of the show. I liked the discussions on Coruscant, and the fact that we’re seeing a “middle management” level of the Jedi hierarchy rather than always focusing on the supreme Council. I also liked the dense forest setting and creatures, etc.

I think it was probably a mistake to have that teaser scene at the end of Episode 1 showing the Sith Lord (and having him ignite a lightsaber for no reason just for the audience). It would probably be more effective to see him for the first time here in Episode 4. The reveal in Episode 4 uses the Sith Lord as a horror movie monster, which I can imagine some people will find stupid, but I thought it was effective.

Unfortunately, this show does seem to contain some Filoni-style “writing wonkiness”, just in smaller doses than previous shows. For example, I feel like Mae’s mission is just really unclear. Her master wants her to kill 4 Jedi. But he also wants her to kill at least one of them - I guess? - without using a weapon. In this episode, Mae and Qimir discuss this, and Mae says she has so far failed to kill a Jedi without using a weapon, and even concludes doing so is impossible. Okay… but I thought she succeeded at doing that when she talked Torbin into committing suicide by drinking poison. So I guess poison counts as a weapon? Does talking count as a weapon? I mean… what counts as a weapon now?

Also, the monologue given by the Sith Lord back in Episode 1 did not imply that killing a Jedi without a weapon was some kind of test or challenge - rather, the speech clearly implied that it was simply not possible (or at least not feasible) to kill a Jedi using a conventional weapon like steel or laser, and therefore more subtle methods were required. (Either that or the Sith Lord was speaking about the Jedi as an institution metaphorically, which seems like a stretch). But now the whole thing really feels like a mess - almost like different writers wrote each episode, and never communicated or shared notes.

Anyway, the show seems to be hinting that Qimir might actually be the Sith Lord - with Qimir prodding Mae along and then conveniently disappearing before the Sith Lord appears. But I kind of doubt it, because it seems too obvious at this point. (Also did Qimir stash his cool Sith armor under a tree somewhere in advance?) I suspect the Sith Lord is either an entirely new character, or maybe one of the witches who survived, like the birth mother of Osha/Mae (who seems to be the same species as Darth Maul… maybe they’ll even imply she’s an ancestor of Maul - isn’t Maul connected to witches somehow in one of the cartoons? [/Internet nerd speculation])

Lexa C said:

Tobar said:

Tobar said:

Rule 4: No politics; only light discussion of current events is permitted, and only in the Off Topic section.

Let’s keep the discussion focused on the series itself. If not the thread can/will be locked and offenders will be issued temp bans.

I’m a little confused.

Hatred for the colour of a person’s skin is not politics. It is racism and hatred. That is not political.

The same applies to homophobia, transphobia, sexism or other such similar ignorance. It is hatred.

None of it is political. Politicised, for sure. Incorrectly labelled as “political agendas” to give the ignorance some sort of “legitimacy”, “acceptance” or a platform, also for sure. But it is not political.

It is simply and purely hate and ignorance.

So why is it deemed “political” on here? Is there a post or thread on here that explains that in more detail?

I don’t mean to derail the thread, and would like to continue on just the series itself. There was some posts with suggestions where to continue such discussions but they’ve since been deleted, so I guess they weren’t okay? Is there a relevant thread where to discuss this, or is already being discussed?

Or is it a “that’s just the way it is” thing? And don’t talk about the issues of race, sex, gender, homophobia, transphobia etc in here?

Well, some political ideologies incorporate racism. Like National Socialism (Nazism) - it’s a political ideology, but it’s also based on racism. I agree that Nazism is basically just hatred and ignorance at the end of the day. But strictly in terms of semantics/definitions, it’s also a political ideology (that thankfully has mostly been consigned to the dustbin of history). I think because historically racism has been a facet of many political ideologies (from Nazi Germany to the American South), we tend to think of it as part of the political domain.

I’m not sure to what extent the show wants us to sympathize with Mae. If the Jedi were somehow responsible (either directly or indirectly) for the death of all those witches, it makes it easier to sympathize with Mae’s desire for revenge. But we also see that Mae was always kind of psychotic and had severe abandonment issues: she sort of torments this small animal for fun, and then later flips out and tries to murder her sister (assuming that actually happened as depicted).

It’s the same problem with how Anakin was depicted in the Prequels. We’re supposed to sympathize at least somewhat with him before he eventually turns evil, but even early on he’s already kind of unhinged and then slaughters an entire village.

Acbagel said:

The structure of the episode was a bit confusing. They left out scenes (intentionally, I believe) and presented situations that didn’t make any sense due to the information we were missing. Perhaps you can say this is an effort to generate intrigue for future episodes, but I would say that the sequence of events that unfolded did not make me more interested in learning what the revelations are, but rather they simply annoyed me because they seemingly painted other situations as nonsense. For example:

• Why does Mae hate the Jedi so much when it seems like they were quite willing to negotiate and Sol showed great empathy?
• Why does Torbin feel so much guilt when Mae was clearly the initiator of the violence?
• How did all of the Witches die so suddenly in the same place?
• What were all of the other Jedi doing during this very quick fire/destruction?

I agree - the direction of the Coven fire scene was disjointed and confusing. Mae lights a small flame, which nearly instantly engulfs the surrounding area, then some sort of “reactor room” is shown, causing further explosions/damage to the compound. We then see all the witches dead, their corpses piled up on the floor, but they don’t appear burned.

Giving the show the benefit of the doubt and assuming all of this was meant to suggest some deeper mystery, one possible interpretation is that we’re meant to suspect that the Jedi massacred all those witches for some reason. This would explain why Mae later hates the Jedi, and also explain why Torbin willingly committed suicide, seemingly out of guilt. Of course, it’s a really hard sell to convince an audience the Jedi would do something like this, but perhaps it has something to do with the “dark magic” used by the witch Mother to spawn life using the Dark Side, “an ability some consider to be unnatural”.

Another possibility is Mae believes (perhaps due to some misunderstanding) that the Jedi massacred all those witches, but she is mistaken, and different POV perspectives of the Coven fire will later shed light on what really happened.

Who knows. We’ll see. But the worst possible outcome is probably that what we saw of the Coven fire is simply meant to be a straightforward, face-value depiction of what happened. Meaning that Mae’s little fire inexplicably killed everyone because the writers were too lazy to think of anything else. I lean more in the direction of believing the disjointed footage of the Coven fire is meant to suggest a deeper mystery that will be later revealed via a different POV of the same events.

I guess the general problem is there’s no directorial cues in the Coven fire scene that lead the audience to experience a sense of mystery or intrigue, or suggest something is “off”. Like the sort of directorial cues you’d see in a Hitchcock or Kubrick film where even a normal conversation can be made to feel “off” and laced with mystery/intrigue. The Coven fire is presented in a straightforward, but weirdly disjointed manner, in a way that feels more like bad editing rather than imbued with intrigue. But I suspect there is, in fact, a greater mystery here surrounding what actually happened during the Coven fire.

This episode fully leans in to what was implied about the Jedi in the Prequels: they go around imposing their will on the Galaxy like the Spanish Inquisition, snatching away Force-sensitive children essentially at gunpoint. The Coven acted like they had no choice in the matter, and instead tried to trick the Jedi into leaving. Nice “Guardians of Peace and Justice”. They’re more like the Galactic Gestapo.

I never liked how the Prequels portrayed the Jedi and this show really leans into that portrayal. Ahh well, it is what it is.

Anyway, I was also a bit confused when the entire Coven compound went up in flames so quickly. The walls don’t even look flammable - they look metallic, but that fire spread really quickly and somehow instantly killed everyone except Mae. Yet the corpses didn’t appear to be burned. I can’t tell if that’s supposed to hint at some deeper layer of mystery, or if the writers just want us to accept the fire at face value. I don’t know, maybe everyone died from smoke inhalation or carbon monoxide poisoning. (Has this Coven ever heard of sprinkler systems?? And why am I spending so much time thinking about the physics of fire with this show??)

Overall, I thought the episode was okay. I like the Jedi characters - they actually have distinct, interesting personalities and even warmth, unlike most of the Prequel Jedi. It’s also interesting to see another sect of Force users with their own interpretation of the Force, even if they’re basically just a remix of the Dathomir witches.

Also, I don’t think this episode was that redundant. I mean, all we knew before was that Osha’s family died in some fire and Mae seemed to blame the Jedi. I didn’t necessarily expect that Mae herself started the fire. But I do agree that the first two episodes shouldn’t have revealed so much information, especially since so much of it was revealed in rather clunky expository dialogue. Like at one point one of the Jedi actually tells Osha something like “your entire family was killed, etc.”. Pretty clunky, and completely redundant since we see these events play out in Episode 3 anyway.

One thing that suggests a deeper mystery here is the fact that in Episode 2, Torbin willingly killed himself, implying he felt extreme guilt over something he did to Mae and wanted to atone for it. Nothing we saw in this episode explains that.

One problem with Padme is that she doesn’t really do much in ROTS. Most of the scenes where she does anything significant (negotiating with other Senators to form a proto-Rebel alliance) were cut from the movie. And even if those scenes remained, they really have no impact on the plot of RoTS itself.

I think Lucas just didn’t know what to do with her. The main problem from a writing standpoint is that all the main characters in the Prequels - except Padme - are super-human Jedi. It’s hard to write her into the story and have her do anything to drive the plot, except in the political arena. Even in AoTC she mostly just follows Anakin around after Act I. They integrated her into the action scenes at the end, but it was kind of clumsy because she’s not too helpful in an action scene when everyone else is a super-human Force user. Her character was best utilized in Phantom Menace, where her decisions and actions largely drive the plot. But in AoTC and ROTS, there was very little for her to do in the Jedi-centric narrative.

And of course, she doesn’t even have 1% of the personality and chemistry of Leia.

Anyway, the best female characters are in Andor. Mon Mothma and Dedra Meero steal the whole show in my opinion.

It’s somewhat reminiscent of Across the Stars (the Padme/Anakin love theme)