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#1258413
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<strong>4K83</strong> - Released
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hairy_hen said:

The print audio has the correct frequency balance for the soundtrack since it has been recorded through a Dolby A decoder. Most of the laserdisc versions are extremely bright and are too shrill in comparison. However, the print audio is less dynamic than any of the laserdiscs, since stereo optical on 35mm film has very little headroom.

Soundtracks made with Dolby A noise reduction (which includes all the mixes for the Star Wars films except the mono versions) sound much too bright in their undecoded state. It is apparent that none of the early laserdiscs have been Dolby A decoded, hence their excessive high frequency emphasis. The RotJ soundtrack from the Special Widescreen Edition does have the correct frequency balance, so it is likely that it has been Dolby A decoded.

The best possible version of the 35mm stereo mix can be produced by using the early US laserdisc (since it has the most dynamic range) and adjusting its EQ to match the print/SWE versions. That way you get the best of both worlds; the greater dynamics and the correct frequency balance. This is exactly what I did for the 35mm soundtrack on Despecialized v2.5, but I haven’t yet put out one like this that is synced to 4K83.

I will release a track like that at some point soon, but for the moment, I would recommend using the SWE version, because it sounds extremely similar to the print audio, but with better quality.

Do any of the SW '77 stereo mix laserdisc audio tracks have the correct Dolby A-decoded frequency balance as far as you know, or do they all sound similarly over-bright? (As in, any of the pre-JSC remix audio tracks.)

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#1258292
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Idea: The Last Jedi WITHOUT Cantobight
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Frankly, I think cutting Canto Bight and DJ out entirely cripples Finn’s character too much, since he’d basically vanish from the story for a massive stretch of time. I don’t think you can get it down any more than Hal did for Legendary (which poppasketti replicated for Rekindled) without it feeling like a fan edit and not a finished film (much like attempts I’ve seen to remove Jar Jar entirely from TPM or removing the Ewoks entirely from ROTJ).

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#1258179
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<strong>4K83</strong> - Released
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The Eastman print is a show print struck directly from the negative that was very rarely screened, so it has significantly more detail than any release print and is in wonderful condition, which is why it only took 6 months to restore.

The LPP is a couple more generations away from the negative, but should have all the color timing detail from the interpositive/internegative steps preserved that are likely just not there in the Eastman print.

Also, the LPP wasn’t scanned at 4K and is missing frames, plus is more damaged, so its value is primarily as a color reference to punch up the Eastman (4K83) print if people are so inclined.

But 4K83 is an accurate preservation of the Eastman show print, which is why (I think) the decision was made to preserve the colors as stored on it versus matching it to something like the LPP for the primary 4K83 release.

Williarob or ohteedee can correct me if I’m mistaken on any of this, of course.

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#1257907
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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Honestly, both times I’ve watched this edit so far, I forgot about Phasma entirely after Holdo’s kamikaze attack - shows just how much of an impression the character leaves! 😉 I feel bad for Gwendoline Christie, she deserved a better part.

Honestly, the Phasma situation is the last major TFA/TLJ issue that I think has yet to be truly solved in any edit. (I’m not counting edits that cut out all of the Finn and Rose Star Destroyer subplot, since that creates more problems than it solves for me.)

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#1257800
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<strong>4K83</strong> - Released
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There’s four - two US, two Japan; the ones marked as the 1983 mix are from pan-and-scan LDs, and of those two the US one is the better source. The ones marked 1985 mix are from the Japanese Special Collection and the US Widescreen Edition, which was the debut of the 1985 mix for ANH and (maybe) ESB, but per Schorman, it’s the same mix as the 1983 theatrical mix. They’re presumably only included because whoever made the MKV package (williarob or ohteedee, I think) assumed a new mix was done for ROTJ in 1985, as most of us have for years.

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#1257771
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<strong>4K83</strong> - Released
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It’s an AC-3 encode of the same track. It’s a DTS-HD MA encode in the MKV. Same with the 5.1 mix.

It should also be noted that while two “1985 Home Video Mix” files are included in the Alternate Audio folder, they’re actually the same as the 1983 theatrical mix, of which Schorman says the one marked “1983 - Stereo (US Source)” is the best quality.

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#1257731
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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poppasketti said:

That’s good to hear, ChainsawAsh. Still could be worth looking at if I decide to make a V2. I rewatched that Finn hologram scene, and it is a real nice moment (and I got a genuine laugh from it). There is some FX work needed, but I think it’s small enough and only in 1-2 shots. Not sure exactly where it would fit, but it’s something to think about!

I’m pretty sure the only place it can fit is right before Finn packs his bag to sneak onto the escape pod, before he meets Rose.

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#1257631
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<strong>4K83</strong> - Released
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You_Too said:

I haven’t finished downloading this yet but I have some questions about the audio. Sorry if they’ve already been clearly answered, I’m too tired to read through the thread at the moment.

What’s the difference between the optical audio track packed in the mkv file and the “cleaned” one?
And are there any digital tracks that actually matches the theatrical stereo audio? I see the 1993 LD track is there but weren’t all the 1993 LD mixes altered? The 1983 Japan and US sources, are they from LDs too?

The image quality is great by the way, managed to preview a bit of it. 😃

TN1 didn’t include a LD capture of the 1983 mix in the released MKVs because the optical audio from the print itself was very high quality with nothing missing (unlike SW77’s optical audio, which wasn’t complete from a single source). I guess they thought including an LD cap of the same mix was redundant.

Personally, I think the LD audio sounds better, and Schorman provided PCM copies synced to 4K83 over at the 4K## forums, so I remuxed the MKV with one of those.

Also for clarity, the hairy_hen 5.1 with added music was included by mistake (HH explained that it was his personal version and meant to provide the “accurate” one for inclusion with the MKVs). Personally I really like the added music in the Obi-Wan scene, but for those who want the new hairy_hen 5.1 with no added music, he’s made that available for remuxing as well.

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#1257629
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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ChainsawAsh said:

I also would probably restore the BB-8 hologram deleted scene after Holdo’s “Stick to your post and follow my orders,” or stick a Luke/Rey segment between the first Holdo scene and this deleted scene plus Rose’s introduction (which might help address another issue I had that I’ll talk about in a bit), but that’s mostly personal preference and a desire to keep as much Finn material as possible with Canto Bight being mostly gone.

Now, I do think a couple of the cutaways back to the fleet seem awkwardly short, particularly the one just after Luke’s first lesson, which I think would feel less choppy if it was placed immediately after the Maz scene. But I also think this is largely due to cutting Canto Bight down as much as you (and Hal) have, so it’s difficult to address this without throwing off basically everything else structurally. I think, as I said before, that restoring the BB-8 hologram deleted scene leading directly into Rose’s introduction, and placing a Luke/Rey island segment between Holdo’s first scene and it, could address this, though that means shifting every other fleet-to-Rey cutaway from then until at least Canto Bight, so I don’t know if it’s something you want to toy with for what’s really a very minor thing that might not even stand out on repeat viewings.

For what it’s worth, this did not stand out on a repeat viewing. I’d still like to see the Finn/BB-8 hologram scene restored, but it’s not essential and does require some FX work to get rid of the puppetry on BB-8, so it might not be worth it anyway.

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#1257575
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TITANIC 35mm Preservation! (a WIP)
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skywalkerfan101 said:

Not to be a debbie downer… I do think this looks amazing (it’s like being in a theater and watching it with an original film projector), but so does the blu ray. I could understand if the blu ray looked terrible. Would anyone care to explain in case there’s something I’m not reading between the lines.

Also I would like to know about the status of this project. Is it near completion?

“Hey, I think what you’re doing is pointless, but … is it finished yet?”

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#1257188
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<strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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Seems likely to me that the combined bitrate of all the video and audio tracks at that moment chokes the player out. I’d try remuxing it with just the video and one audio track (and any subtitle tracks you want) and then try the new MKV.

As far as your 24p situation goes - that’s odd, but you might be right in that it doesn’t like to do 24p output from a media file versus an authored disc. I don’t have the no-DNR 1080p, but the no-DNR 2160p and DNR 1080p both play fine and in 24p from my TV’s USB media player, and the DNR 1080p works fine on my KDLinks media player in 24p.

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#1256999
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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Okay, here’s a more in-depth “review” as I promised. Bear in mind that this is coming from someone that mostly liked TLJ and the direction it took, but felt that it had some major problems that prevented it from being great.

This is a fantastic edit. Really. All of the major changes work amazingly well, and some of them even manage to fix a scene I would have just yanked out of the movie completely or otherwise altered more drastically than you’ve proven necessary. Luke’s saber toss now has emotional weight to it since it isn’t played for laughs through the music, and it feels like it was always meant to be scored that way; the “milking” scene now works as Johnson intended it to without being undercut by the bizarre shots of Luke actually drinking the milk; the over-the-top CGI nonsense of Finn vs. Phasma and BB-8 in the walker are seamlessly extracted and not missed in the slightest; and your version of Finn’s suicide run is simply perfect.

And, of course, Leia’s spacewalk - thank you so much for getting rid of the one scene that consistently takes me out of the film in such a seamless way!

Anything else that’s been taken out, I didn’t miss. There are bits here and there that I still wouldn’t have left in the way you have, but they aren’t nearly as much of an issue when those are now the worst moments, rather than being surrounded by even worse stuff. I prefer Hal’s treatment of the “prank call” moment, and I’d also have kept his removal of the “cowl” line and the line about Rey’s parents being dead, though I understand your rationale for keeping all of these things and taken in the context of your edit as a whole, they don’t bug me as much as they normally do.

I also would probably restore the BB-8 hologram deleted scene after Holdo’s “Stick to your post and follow my orders,” or stick a Luke/Rey segment between the first Holdo scene and this deleted scene plus Rose’s introduction (which might help address another issue I had that I’ll talk about in a bit), but that’s mostly personal preference and a desire to keep as much Finn material as possible with Canto Bight being mostly gone.

Technically, the edit is flawless. I noticed no harsh audio transitions, the video quality is top-notch, and all of the VFX work (both that which is new to this edit like BB-8 during the Star Destroyer escape and everything surrounding Rose’s crash and Finn’s suicide run, and holdovers from Hal’s edit like the caretaker removal) is seamless and professional. On that level, you’d never know this was fan edited at all, and that’s a massively important thing to me when it comes to fan edits.

There’s one little bit, when Leia is brought away on a stretcher after the bridge explosion, where the music left over from the “spacewalk” scene wraps up that feels a little out of place, but it’s very minor and I don’t know if that can be “fixed” anyway, so I’m not taking any points off for that one. 😉

Now, I do think a couple of the cutaways back to the fleet seem awkwardly short, particularly the one just after Luke’s first lesson, which I think would feel less choppy if it was placed immediately after the Maz scene. But I also think this is largely due to cutting Canto Bight down as much as you (and Hal) have, so it’s difficult to address this without throwing off basically everything else structurally. I think, as I said before, that restoring the BB-8 hologram deleted scene leading directly into Rose’s introduction, and placing a Luke/Rey island segment between Holdo’s first scene and it, could address this, though that means shifting every other fleet-to-Rey cutaway from then until at least Canto Bight, so I don’t know if it’s something you want to toy with for what’s really a very minor thing that might not even stand out on repeat viewings.

TLJ is, like ROTS, a difficult, disjointed movie structurally, so don’t take the last paragraph as a major criticism, or as something that should prevent you from releasing this as your final version. The theatrical movie has structural issues too, and cutting stuff/reinstating deleted material only adds to the “house of cards” feeling when it comes to how the movie is put together.

As I said, these are all minor issues, and I don’t believe they should prevent you from releasing “Rekindled” as is, because as I said, it’s very very good, and I’m not sure how easily these things can be addressed, or if they even need to be. This type of thing is probably better saved for a V2 down the road after a lot more people have had their eyes on it, assuming it’s something you want to address at all. As it stands, it’s not hindering my enjoyment of this edit, just something in the back of my mind during a couple scenes.

Excellent job! Yours is now the only non-Hal Star Wars edit that’s replaced the “official” version for me. 😃

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#1256915
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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OutboundFlight said:

Agreed. If there was a confrontation, it should be across the galaxy with force Skype.

Actually…that might not be a terrible idea if it could be implemented in a similar way to the TLJ Kylo/Rey conversations. I haven’t seen the theatrical in a while, is there any dialogue worth keeping in the office conversation scene, pre-duel?