ChainsawAsh

Nope, the site has been closed entirely for some time and there’s no indication of if and when it’ll open up again.

They’re separate. I think on MySpleen they’re listed as “4K83 Bonus Features.” Don’t know if they’ve been uploaded anywhere else yet.

LordZerome1080 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

And if Return of the Jedi didn’t have 35 years of nostalgia attached, it would be as lowly regarded as the juvenile, simplistic, uninspired piece of shit it actually is.

Actually you’re talking about TFA and TLJ as ROTJ is original just not something as original as butchering beloved characters.

You mean like how ROTJ butchered Han? I might not think ROTJ is as awful as Duracell does, but it definitely isn’t good. I agree with him that most people that say it is are looking at it with nostalgia goggles on.

Well, since Harmy has gone to great lengths to restore “mistakes” like matte lines in the past, I think it’s safe to say he’ll be continuing down that road.

I think Hal is trying to get Ady’s HD regrade of ANH that he’ll be using for Revisited HD to use as a base for this much like he did with ESB, correct? Hal only kept, what, 3 things from ESB:R?

Ryan said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t think there’s any sort of timeframe. Harmy hasn’t been around much recently, he’s probably been busy.

I’m looking forward to it. I just hope he doesn’t put all of the matte lines back in. As I really did enjoy the digital compositing on the Blu-Ray’s removing those bad matte lines all through the movie. Also removing the Emperor’s Slugs, etc.

That goes against the whole point of the project, though.

I don’t think there’s any sort of timeframe. Harmy hasn’t been around much recently, he’s probably been busy.

SilverWook said:

Or course now that there are two live action SW series in the works, there’s more potential continuity issues to avoid.

On the plus side, the SW universe allows for stories to be told in eras that are very much independent of the “current” storyline, with little to no risk of continuity issues.

Hence the lack of actual crossover between MCU movies and TV series. It’s hard enough juggling multiple movie franchises, but throwing TV in the mix and attempting any kind of meaningful crossovers without handcuffing one side or the other creatively (like the first 3/4 of Agents of SHIELD Season 1, pre-Winter Soldier) has got to be nigh on impossible.

SilverWook said:

In the context of making comparisons to how Lucasfilm is running things these days, it’s cool. And hey, it’s my job to nag! 😛

Have any of the Marvel films been a mess behind the scenes the way Solo was? Fox and Sony productions don’t count.

You realize that was said by a forum moderator, right? And that both posts after it were directly responding to the mod’s question?

I was going to say Thor TDW as well. Maybe Iron Man 2, though that one managed to finish up with the same director all the way through (even though they never had a finished script and the story was basically improvised the entire way through).

As far as “meddling” in general goes, you’ve got Incredible Hulk (the BTS circumstances of which led to Norton being ousted as Banner), Age of Ultron (which led to Whedon abandoning the franchise), the aforementioned Ant-Man (though once Wright left there didn’t seem to be many issues during and after filming), and you could maybe count what happened with Inhumans, too.

Ah, okay, that would in fact explain why I didn’t notice (haven’t gotten around to getting the new encode)!

Huh, I didn’t notice that…maybe an audio holdover from Hal’s cut of the scene? I know poppasketti restored a line or two toward the end of the exchange compared to Hal’s cut, but I don’t know if he ever said if he used Hal’s audio mix there or if he went back to the BR audio.

So, Edge of Tomorrow but with SW characters?

SilverWook said:

Did not know that. The MCU seems like they had some sort of roadmap at the very least. Nobody has ever pulled off a decade’s worth of interconnected films before.

There’s a general roadmap, yes, but it’s extremely modular/flexible from everything we’ve seen. Thanos wasn’t even considered as a major villain until after Whedon decided to put him in the Avengers 1 credits scene as a nod to comic fans.

SilverWook said:

Maybe because the myth of Lucas’ master plan persists, when he too was making it up as he went along?

This. It’s pretty clear that the only “plan” for the prequels were a set of bullet point events/moments he more or less forgot about until Episode III and then went “Oh shit, I still have to do X and Y and Z…”

And we all know there was no overall plan for the OT as it was being made.

That sequence of events doesn’t seem to have any sort of a climax for VII.

DougieP said:

yotsuya said:

I can see this. Abrams originally was handling the first film more like a series pilot - he was not expecting to come back and expected others to continue the story. So I can see where he and Kennedy would have plotted the arc of the trilogy. And we know some things were held over from George’s version. I think the course of IX was set during the production of TFA, though the details of the story were up to whoever did it. I hope at some point we get to find out what plot points were set at what time. It would amuse me to find out that some of the plot points in TLJ that people are so pissed about came from Lucas or Abrams.

It has been clearly stated by KK that she threw out Georges plans for the ST. Rj also confirmed that there were no plans at all for the ST moving forward after 7. Its all online. If needed, I can get links.

Fake news. They weren’t thrown out completely. They ditched some of the most ridiculous stuff (like doubling down on midichlorians with his version of the Whills), yeah, but the broad strokes regarding Luke are the same, just pushed back to VIII. I’m willing to bet more stuff will be revealed in the coming years about his outlines that will either show A) they were still more or less adhered to the way the Luke stuff was more or less adhered to, or B) they were so vague and sketchy beyond the stupid Whills/midichlorians stuff that they really couldn’t be used.

Specific quotes from the article I linked:

basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7

…

30 years after the fall of the Empire, Luke had gone to a dark place and secluded himself in a Jedi temple on a new planet.

…

the initial plan for Star Wars: Episode 7 was that Luke, over the course of that movie, would rediscover his vitality and train this new Jedi.

The new Jedi was:

a new disciple named Kira (who was later renamed Rey)

And as for why Luke’s stuff was pushed back to VIII from VII:

Everyone realized that Luke Skywalker would better serve the needs of the story as the person that everyone seeks but does not find until the final scene of The Force Awakens. This allowed Han Solo more time as the mentor of the story

And if you really wanted Lucas’ full plans for the sequel trilogy, well, from George himself…

[The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force. … Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we are just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in … we’re vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.

I don’t think that sounds any better than anything in TFA or TLJ. Do you? Really?

You’re welcome, everyone.

And I’ve got to echo yotsuya’s statements - HUGE thank you to all the time, effort, money, and personal sacrifices everyone who’s worked on these amazing projects has put in, including - but not limited to! - williarob, SkyDude, ohteedee, deathstar1138, and many, many others. All Star Wars fans are in your guys’ debt!

But I do also recognize that these are hefty files for some (as I said earlier, they were for me a year ago and I still bitch about having shitty Internet today!), so I’m glad to be able to do something to help those in that boat to make the decision whether they’re going to sacrifice a not-insignificant fraction of their bandwidth allotment to effectively re-download something they’ve already acquired for an improvement that frankly amounts to 1/120th of the entire file or not, or to wait until the end of the month. (I remember those days - splitting a 50GB download across the 31st and the 1st was always a fun balancing act!)

I think it’s a significant improvement, and I think the comparison shows that, so once again, thanks to everyone involved for their hard work!

Now about that 1981 crawl scan/After Effects project that’s sitting on my hard drive…I should probably get on finishing that someday…

Okay, here’s the grabs. Only the crawl itself is new, the logos and flyover are the same between both the ISO and the MKV:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EBFNNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGLWNNNX

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EB1NNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGLGNNNX

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EBMNNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGLPNNNX

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EBCNNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGDLNNNX

JonathanArthur19 said:

Well you could be nice and it is not hard take a screenshot of both crawls and upload them. To me your just being lazy, that is not hard, just a few clicks and your done, a few more clicks to upload them, it is not a hard thing to do man, so to me that is just lazy

Well, I wish I’d seen this bitchy post before I said no one was complaining… 😠

Anyway, I’ll be home in about an hour and I’ll get the comparison caps posted around then.

It’ll be DNR 1080p MKV (old crawl) vs. DNR 1080p ISO (new crawl).

deathstar1138 said:

So, let me get this straight, if the crawl is improved and lot better,
then you’ll download the 40gig file anyways, but you’ll ignore anything else.

And if its not better, you’ll never find out. Ok.

Instead of constantly asking and complaining about something, be proactive
and do the work, and share it. That way others can enjoy it to. It’s not that hard.

Asking for screen cap comparisons is complaining?

Maybe they already have the MKV which they burned to a disc and they want to make sure the upgraded crawl is worth the extra 40GB hit to their bandwidth cap before getting it…?

I’m fortunate that my cap was raised significantly this year, but last year I had 200GB per month to work with before my Internet was disconnected. Not everyone can download a 40GB release that might only be a marginal upgrade compared to what they already have when that amount of data could go toward something else.

At any rate, I’ll take some screen caps myself when I get home from work and post them here for everyone to compare.

deleted_10-Mar-2023 said:

Obviously I don’t think the answer is to just wait until a listing for a specific film shows up on eBay

Actually, yeah, most of the time that’s the answer.

Is it some place like private collections

Yeah, some of the prints that have been scanned were in the hands of private collectors, and there are even some private collectors who will allow one of the members of the restoration teams to view the prints but not scan them, as it’s not technically legal to own theatrical film prints of copyrighted movies. They don’t want Disney or Lucasfilm or Fox (heh…guess that’s all the same thing now) to catch wind that they’ve got it and raid their collection.

Then there are some who will allow their prints to be scanned, but not released until specific identifying characteristics of that particular print are eliminated.

But no, most of the time it’s eBay or the like, and print scanners rely on donations from people like us to acquire them and pay for the scans, since it’s not cheap.

and local archives that allow you to rent stuff out

Nope, not that I’m aware of. I don’t think theatrical film prints can be rented from any sort of archive, at least not for this purpose.

And where would I even start to look for these things in my area (or further beyond, for that matter)?

I think the above answers have mostly covered that…well…you don’t. You can scour eBay for prints to buy, and you might be able to get in with collector communities online once you have some prints in your collection, but it’s all rather underground due to the less-than-legal nature of the hobby, so I don’t know where you’d go to find said communities.

Hope some of that was helpful, and that if any of that is inaccurate someone will come along and correct me!

Your forum account has to be manually approved by an admin. Be patient - either your forum account will be approved soon or the ISO will be shared to Mega soon.

You_Too said:

I’m not sure if the SWE version was included in the myspleen release (is it the 1993 LD audio?) but I think I’m just gonna settle with the optical for now, it sounds great!

The SWE is the Special Widescreen Edition laserdisc (the set - along with the Japanese Special Collection - that had the 1985 remix for ANH). It’s still the 1983 theatrical stereo (the same mix as the optical audio from the print that’s track 1 in 4K83).

Schorman says the best-sounding LD of the 1983 mix is the earlier US pan-and-scan LD, while hairy_hen is recommending the US Special Widescreen Edition LD for the same mix - neither is included in 4K83’s MKV or ISO releases, but Schorman has made 4K83 synced versions of these tracks (along with the Japanese pan-and-scan and Japanese Special Collection versions) available over on the 4K## forums.

The 1993 LD audio is a remix and not the 1983 theatrical stereo, which is why it’s also included in 4K83. ESB and ROTJ didn’t get remixes for the JSC/SWE like ANH did, but they did 1993 (and ANH got another remix).