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Post: #67074
Topic: SE Changes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67074/action/topic#67074
Time: 24-Sep-2004 2:33 PM

I didn't really think it was that big of a deal to include it, especially since I forgot all about it until I was reading the list.

I'm going to a high school football game now so I'll be back with Jedi in the morning.

--EDIT--

BTW, I meant the "AARGH!" vs "UUH!" change, not the Star Destroyer change.

Post: #67062
Topic: SE Changes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67062/action/topic#67062
Time: 24-Sep-2004 2:04 PM

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

It seems as if most of these changes are audio ones, so let's get to it.

- BAD: The old one had the whole "Jaws" thing going where they never showed it very well. Really cool and scary. But now....

- MEH ("Thanks, 3PO"): I actually got so used to this line that it scared me when I was re-watching the OT for the first time in a while that it wasn't there...

- MEH (smoke): Never noticed it...

- GOOD: But they could have at least made it consistent...

- BAD ("You're lucky ...."): I loved the "you didn't taste very good" line!

- GOOD (clearer dialogue): I could never hear it before!

- BAD: Unnecessary CGI, but I don't mind it too much.

- BOTH: Good because Cloud City needed it, bad because it REALLY overused some CGI...

- BAD: City didn't really need to be opened up IMHO.

- BAD: WTF? I cant even hear her (Leia) now...

- BAD (during announcement): Just pointless.

- GOOD AND HORRIBLE: Good in that he looks solid now, bad because of the F'N SCREAM! (fixed in the 04 DVD)

- NEUTRAL: What's the big deal over "Alert my star destroyer..."?

- BAD: George, we don't need to see everything in the world that happens, especially when it interrupts the flow of the movie.

- GOOD (see ANH): Funny that he wasn't given credit theatrically but was on video...hehe...

That wraps up Empire. I'll have Jedi up later.

Post: #67048
Topic: SE Changes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67048/action/topic#67048
Time: 24-Sep-2004 1:27 PM

I thougt this would be the better place to put this and not in general discussion.

Here's my thoughts on each change in the SW Trilogy SE, as http://www.theforce.net/swse/ lists them. It's the most complete listing I could find.

- GOOD: I actually quite like this change. I just think it looks cooler.

- BAD: Completely unnecessary. The original scene worked perfectly.

- BAD: See above.

- GOOD (referring to general landspeeder shots): I never liked the damn green glob.

- BAD: Why is smoke coming from the chimney when he lives on a planet that's hot as hell?

- GOOD: Kinda nice to see the Death Star move.

- BAD (General Mos Eisley changes): The near-ghost-town feel was so much more atmospheric...

- MEH: Good in that the original shot sucked, bad because those "scurriers" are stupid...

- BAD (general Cantina changes): Mainly the replacement of Wolfman while Penis-Mouth still remains...

- HORRIBLY WRONG AND SHITTY: Do I even need to say why? The scene lost its entire reason for being when this happened....

- BAD: Everything in this scene was covered in the Greedo scene. Plus not seeing Jabba till Jedi was much cooler. Plus the CGI sucked and still (2004) sucks.

- BAD: Overuse of CGI.

- BAD: The update of the explosion was OK, but the Praxis ring was a bad idea IMHO.

- UNDECIDED: I kinda like both versions...

- BAD (thrusters): Overuse of CGI again...

- UNDECIDED: Can't remember the original shot...

- GOOD: Gives him something to look at. Don't think there was anything before.

- GOOD: Much improved over the original. Has a more "earthy" feel.

- EXCELLENT: The single BEST CHANGE of any of the SE's! Makes his death (more) meaningful.

- BAD: Overuse of CGI...yet...again....

- BAD: Overuse of CGI...the old shot was fine...

- GOOD: Never liked the straight line before...

- GOOD (general DS attack changes): Much more exciting and tense than the original.

- BAD: See the destruction of Alderaan.

- GOOD: Never noticed this was a change...that's what every one should have been, at least seamless enough so if you'd never seen it before you wouldn't be able to tell.

- GOOD (JEJ gets credit): Why wasn't he credited before?

Well, that's it for now; later I'll post for ESB in this same thread and then ROTJ later on.

Post: #67042
Topic: Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67042/action/topic#67042
Time: 24-Sep-2004 1:00 PM

If you're referring to what I said, I did say the Ewok song change was a good one, just that I did like the old one a lot.

Sorry, man, beak=bird, not evil monster.

Post: #67017
Topic: Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call changed on DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67017/action/topic#67017
Time: 24-Sep-2004 11:08 AM

Quote
Originally posted by: jimbo
Quote
Originally posted by: Darth Justin
No Special Edition change is good.

Now thats fucking crazy. Come one what about the new Mos Isley, expanded cloud city, new wampa, new sarlacc, matt line deletion, improved Yavin shots, improved lightsabers, new Biggs scene, and the deletion of that horrendous ewok song. Plenty of really awsome changes that make the movie better. For every bad change there are 50 good ones.

Mos Eisley: Bad, had more of a ghost-town feel to it before that was more ominous.

Cloud City: Good, always liked this, but they needed some window-consistency there...

Wampa: Bad. More tense and ominous not seeing him much.

Sarlacc: Bad. WTF is with that beak?

Matte Lines: Good until they missed 93 of them.

Yavin: Split on these...some good and some bad

Lightsabers: See MATTE LINES.

Biggs: VERY good, the biggest change in the SE that I think improves the film...hell, the ONLY change that improved the film.

Ewok Song: Always liked it, but I do like the SE song better, it works more as an ending to the saga.

DEATH STAR ATTACK (since you forgot this): I actually like the SE version a lot more, it's more tense and exciting. I actually almost got annoyed watching the OT version of this with all the slowness and roughness of it and then I realized what I was thinking and slapped myself.

Post: #66854
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66854/action/topic#66854
Time: 23-Sep-2004 11:05 PM

Well, if the Faces set does have it, MeBeJedi's set will, but I highly doubt it since that set uses the same audio mix as the Definitive Edition set did. If you want that line, the 89 LDs are what you want, but from what I gather they have a shitty transfer.

Post: #66801
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66801/action/topic#66801
Time: 23-Sep-2004 8:50 PM

Yes, the Leia footage is missing but I didn't notice for months until someone brought it up here. And the C-3PO line isn't in any of the post-89 sound mixes until the SE, which means not in any 93 DE set or 95 Faces set. I never liked the line anyway.

Post: #66761
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66761/action/topic#66761
Time: 23-Sep-2004 5:53 PM

Hey, Jup, I was wondering when you'd find your way here. Awesome covers, by the way.

It seems as if your site (I've been there before, never got around to posting this at the Den or anywhere else I'm at) won't allow Hotmail accounts - I'll PM you later.

Post: #66803
Topic: You'd think they'd clean this up - the unfixed issues of the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66803/action/topic#66803
Time: 23-Sep-2004 2:57 PM

Quote
Originally posted by: jimbo

Ewoks are still there

Haha! Nice

Post: #66764
Topic: mp3 Editing?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66764/action/topic#66764
Time: 23-Sep-2004 12:15 PM

Is there any software for mp3 editing? Here's the scenario: I downloaded 3 Doors' Down Away from the Sun CD, but alas, the last song has 30 seconds of silence before the song starts. Any way I can get rid of that? I only have Roxio Easy CD Creator to work with and that doesn't let me do stuff like cut the beginning out of music. Anyone know how I can fix this?

Post: #66275
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66275/action/topic#66275
Time: 22-Sep-2004 8:30 AM

When mine get up (still having problems) you'll have what you're looking for.

Post: #66277
Topic: Surprise! DVDs preserve original version after all!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66277/action/topic#66277
Time: 22-Sep-2004 2:34 AM

Greedo scene's easy. They just added a shot between "Yes, I bet you have" and Greedo blowing up. Cut that shot out and voila! Han shoots first.

Post: #66059
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66059/action/topic#66059
Time: 21-Sep-2004 7:20 PM

Ah, I see your point (about VE/DVE). But I do think the faces look a little red now, but I have yet to see them in motion.

Cool on getting the XviD done! I'll be among the first to DL it when you put it out!

Post: #66028
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66028/action/topic#66028
Time: 21-Sep-2004 5:53 PM

Hmm, I'll have to watch them first.

It looks to me like some faces in the new screens look quite sunburnt, maybe you could do something about that while preserving everything else?

Post: #66006
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66006/action/topic#66006
Time: 21-Sep-2004 4:55 PM

Might I suggest:

Buying/renting the official DVDs and using the transfers as reference for balancing your LD transfers. I'm not saying use the transfers replacing the SE scenes with the LD scenes, I'm saying color-correct/grade the LD transfer using the DVD as a reference.

Maybe rather than use VE on laserdisc use DVE on DVD, it might end up looking better.

Post: #65780
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65780/action/topic#65780
Time: 20-Sep-2004 10:53 PM

It's a pictorial version of Struzan's art. The art they really should've used for the official DVDs if they wanted it to match Ep. I & II. But yeah, they needed to replace Leia with her ANH counterpart.

Post: #65762
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65762/action/topic#65762
Time: 20-Sep-2004 10:31 PM

@MeBeJedi - A suggestion for releasing your set:

Two versions for the trilogy-

1) The Standard Set
Specs -
Non-Anamorphic Video
PCM Audio
Commentary
Full Menus

2) The "Home Theater" Set
Specs -
Anamorphic Video
Dolby Digital 5.1 Audio
No Menus or Extras

Just a suggestion, and after the credits roll (all the credits) on both versions, put a DVD credit section, like "DVD encoded, authored, and designed by MeBeJedi using x software and y hardware" or something like that.

Post: #65702
Topic: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Special Edition?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65702/action/topic#65702
Time: 20-Sep-2004 1:48 PM

Quote
Originally posted by: jimboAgain original Indiana Jones is not out on DVD.

Ugh...erased reflections, matte lines and wires do not constitute a new version...

Post: #65623
Topic: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Special Edition?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65623/action/topic#65623
Time: 20-Sep-2004 12:25 PM

Okay, here's the BIG DIFFERENCE between the disease known as Lucasism and normal directors. Lucas completely stamps out the original versions of his films (THX 1138, Star Wars Trilogy). Other directors don't usually. Spielberg's E. T. The Extra-Terrestrial DVD contained THE THEATRICAL VERSION as well as the Special Edition. He didn't pretend E. T.'s original version did not exist, but he updated it anyway. I don't give a rat's ass if they do this to Raiders of the Lost Ark, because I have a pristine Lowry-restored official DVD of the 1982 theatrical version sitting on my shelf as we speak. He didn't stamp the original out. So let him do what he wants. Who cares. You have your film in the medium you wanted it in. I guarantee if GL released the original cuts of the Star Wars movies, nobody would care if he put out the SE's as well, as long as the originals were out, and no-one would criticize him as badly as they do for making the SE.

Post: #65392
Topic: THX 1138: 4EB
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65392/action/topic#65392
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:20 PM

I'm looking for anyone who has a rip of Electronic Labrynth - THX 1138:4EB, Lucas' student film, from the Director's Cut 2-disc DVD up as a torrent anywhere. I have the DC XviD rip, and I'd like to see this student film but feel paying for the DVD just to get that when I already have the film is a little bit of a waste. Can anyone help me out?

Post: #65270
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65270/action/topic#65270
Time: 19-Sep-2004 3:44 PM

Hmm, it appears as if the officials have been moved down a tiny bit and expanded to the left, probably just using more of the original negative.

Post: #65264
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65264/action/topic#65264
Time: 19-Sep-2004 3:03 PM

Erm...no, the screens of the anamorphic versions (i.e. the official and the Dr.Gonzo) are stretched anamorphically (it is squished when you see it on a 4:3 TV to look normal, stretched on a 16:9), but the non-anamorphic ones (TR47 and MeBeJedi) are shown in the correct aspect ratio since they are nonanamorphic.

Check this out for more info.

Post: #65113
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65113/action/topic#65113
Time: 18-Sep-2004 9:33 PM

Right, the menus. I personally don't like to think of them as something a fan made, but as a DVD of the movie, and when the fact that it's a bootleg is called to my attention (i.e. the "MeBeJedi's New Hope" menu name) it detracts from the whole experience. In my own humble opinion, of course.

On another note, and this may have been covered several times in the past, what exactly is Laserman doing with his set that differentiates it from others?

Post: #65102
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65102/action/topic#65102
Time: 18-Sep-2004 7:50 PM

MBJ - While I do agree with others that the credits should remain unaltered, I was referring to the menus in my post. But it's your set, so do it your way, and if I ever make one of mine (ha!) I'll do it my way.

Post: #65055
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65055/action/topic#65055
Time: 18-Sep-2004 9:53 AM

Here's my thought on "branding" your set: I like to watch movies, even if they are bootlegs, as if they were not. It detracts from my viewing experience, IMHO, if the fact that it is a bootleg is called to my attention. Therefore, I am inherently against "branding" your version at all. BUT, it is your set, so do whatever the hell you want!