ChainsawAsh

It could be that you were watching the PAL version, which by nature has a 4% speedup from NTSC/film.

And I need to compare those fights again, because I could have sworn there was nothing different ... wow ... impressive

Exactly.  Not to mention, I'm against using the scenes from the original to replace the SE scenes while keeping the "unaltered" scenes from the SE, and here's why:

1) I'd rather have consistent quality throughout, even if it's not 100% up to modern standards, than a patchwork of "Hey!  That looks like it was shot yesterday!" switching to "Whoa ... that looks ugly compared to the last shot!"

2) No amount of color correction or even Adywan's color-masking-layering process for "Revisited" can fix the 04 SE to contain the same color information that is present in the laserdisc masters.  Look at the ESB Star Destroyer scenes - in some shots it looks like the entire scene was rendered in B&W with a blue filter put over it to hide that fact.

3) There are many subtle 97/04 alterations (R2-D2's space coloring, garbage mattes, subtle effects "fixes") that could easily go unnoticed in such a "patchwork" project.  As a purist, I believe that everything, even effects gaffes, should be preserved, and for most the temptation would be too great to, say, leave in the 04 edition's Rancor recomposite instead of replacing it with the 83 effects.

4) The grain issue.  The grain reduction on the 04 DVDs was taken to an extreme that lost some visual information as well as make the image look too "plastic"-like to me.  Plus, the GOUT/93 laserdiscs' DVNR smearing wouldn't mix with the 04 DVDs well, along with the fact that there seems to be excessive grain on the 93 LD/GOUT (probably from using a source at least 2-3 generations away from the negative).  (That one kind of goes hand-in-hand with #1, but whatever)

So yes, the X0 project is, indeed, very important to many people here, especially the "purists" like me.  I enjoy Adywan's "Revisited" very much, but there's a reason I bought the expensive "Blade Runner" boxset - while I'll watch the Final Cut, I still feel the previous ones must be preserved, and I will watch them from time-to-time.

As of right now, my perfect "Star Wars" set would be a 2-disc edition for each film, with disc 1 being Adywan's "Revisited" and disc 2 being an X0 Project-sourced preservation of the theatrical version of the film (splicing in the GOUT's original crawl for SW, adding the mono and original stereo mixes, and converting to anamorphic WS).

Sorry for the unnecessarily long post - I just feel it's important for people to understand why this project is so important to some of us, even with all the "vingage edits" or "revisits" in the world.

Quick question:  Other than improved lightsaber effects and new music, what did Ady do to the Obi-Wan/Vader duel in ANH?  I don't remember it being any different other than those two things.

vbangle, would you shut the fuck up?  This is a project a lot of us were very eager to see and believed (as I still do) to be absolutely necessary and highly important.  If it truly is gone, we've lost the last best chance of getting a truly great quality OOT.  All people want to know is what's going to happen.  And you keep being an ass about it, and it's really starting to piss me off.  If you really think we're beating a dead horse, then ignore it and stay the hell out of this thread because you have no business posting in it anymore.

It just seems like you want highly opinion-based information handed to you.  What kind of edits are you looking for?  Edits that take a few things out to make the movie tighter?  Edits that add in a lot of deleted material?  Edits that completely restructure the movie to make it an entirely different experience?  What films are you dissatisfied with that you'd like to see edited?

There are a lot of edits out there that satisfy a lot of different desires by people.  For example, I could tell you that "The Matrix Dezionized," which simply removes Zion from "Reloaded" and "Revolutions" into one movie, while you might prefer "The Matrix Evolutions," which completely restructures the sequels into a very different, distinct experience.  Are you looking for technical expertise, an edit that feels 100% like it was released in theatres, or are more rough-around-the-edges edits acceptable, ones that, while they restucture a film into a superior story, might have audio or video glitches that take some people too far out of the movie to enjoy the new story?

Like I said, it's all personal preference.  The site I gave you, while IIRC wasn't to popular with some around here a while back, nonetheless gives very detailed information about many different edits along with reviews by viewers, and links to download said edits.  That way, you can decide what edits you'd like to see based on what the film originally was, what's been changed, how well it's been done technically, and you get a link to download it.  There are a lot of edits on that site I found out about through that site itself, as well.

If you want specific reccommendations without regard to what you're looking for in an edit, fine then, here you go:

- Star Wars: Revisited
- Terminator 3: The Coming Storm
- Blade Runner (2008 Extended Edition)
- Pearl Harbor: Strength and Honor
- InfoDroid's Indiana Jones edits
- Superman Redeemed (Superman III & IV edited together removing the B.S.)

And for editors:

- Adywan
- ADigitalMan
- FanFiltration
- CBB
- Spence
- InfoDroid

and many others.

Finally, why are all these threads of yours in the "Star Wars Fan Edits and Preservation Efforts" forum and not in the "Other Fan Edits" or "Off Topic" forums?

Why don't you try looking through fanedits.com and see what edits interest you?  It doesn't seem like you've done much searching beyond finding this forum and asking us to tell you where to find things.

I also believe I sent you a PM with the address of another site you could go to that might have some useful information.  Why don't you check that one out?

You know you don't have to make a separate thread every time you post, right?  For instance, this could very easily fit in several of your existing threads, as could the "Does Lucasfilm like fanedits.org" thread.  Just saying.

They work, it's just that it'll be slower than most ISPs.  I have Comcast, and it takes me three days to a week to get a single-layer DVD (4.5 GB)

There most certainly is CG in the movie, but the point of the "no CG" statements was that if this was made by any other director, 75% of the scenes that were done live would have been CG just to make it easier.  The flipping-over of the truck was 100% real, for example.  The dive and flight into the building in Hong Kong, while that was originally supposed to be real, ended up having to be done in CG because of the difficulties in shooting in Hong Kong.

Well, the official logos say "STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK" and "STAR WARS: RETURN OF THE JEDI," so those would be the official titles if someone implemented my idea.  I'm talking about using these logos, in yellow, receding into the background just after "A long time ago ... " just like the "STAR WARS" logo does now:

Then the crawl starts up with "It is a dark time for ... " or "Luke Skywalker has returned ... " without the "EPISODE V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK" or "EPISODE VI: RETURN OF THE JEDI" at all.

I apologize for taking up so much time with this since I know it won't happen now, but damn, I wish someone would do this.

It was make-up with CG alterations on the eye and the cheek.

adywan said:

The crawl for EPIV REVISITED doesn't need fixing. The timing was changed to have the crawl appear at the cue it was intended to appear and did appear before they added "A NEW HOPE". Ever since they added the episode number it screwed the music up. I always remember it appearing at that cue and hated it when it came in later with the Episode IV title. All Revisited edits will ahve the cue appear at that cue.

And I, for one, thank you for that, Ady - that has always bugged the hell out of me, and I'm glad to see it done properly.  I was worried at first that you'd only do that to ANH, and I'm quite glad to hear you're fixing it for all 3 movies.

The only thing I'd have done differently to the crawls was to make "ANH" into the '77 version with just "STAR WARS," then make new title cards for "EMPIRE" and "JEDI" based on their logos to replace the "STAR WARS," while removing the "Episode *: Etc." "subtitle."  Mainly so I could pretend there were only 3 movies.  But it's far too late for that suggestion.

Rocko's Modern Life!  On DVD!  Finally!  YESSSS!!!

... although it sadly doesn't appear to be in the form of season sets ... that really sucks ...

I'm actually happy to hear that this won't be in HD.  At first I was incredibly excited, then when the Wampa shot came out with the (no offense, Ady, you'll see where I'm going with this) awful new "tusks," I started to wonder.  Then Ady said it was hard to find HD-quality stuff to work with for that shot, and I started hoping the project would revert back to SD - after all, I don't give two shits that ANH is SD, it looks fantastic, and I'm sure there's a lot more he could have used for that shot if it were done for SD.

If keeping it SD improves the quality of the changes, by all means, I have no qualms at all about it.  In fact, I'm glad.

And I can't wait to get this in my DVD player to see it.

Just gave away my last PIF spot, guys - someone else is going to have to take my place.  That Digital Bits story went up and BAM! five requests in my inbox by the 18th.

So if anyone I sent discs to has the ability, please Pay It Forward if it is at all possible - I'm sure there'll be plenty more people wanting to get their hands on this in the near future.

When ESB:R comes around, I'll PIF that as well, but for now, I've reached my limit (and run out of blank discs!)

Isn't an m4v just an mp4 file with a different extension?  You can't play it in QuickTime?

I don't see the harm in trying to change the extension to mp4 - if it doesn't work you can always change it back, no harm done.

1) Torrents
2) Newsgroups
3) RapidShare OR
4) Someone can send you a copy

I can mail you a copy of the NTSC DVD-9 if you like.  Just send me a PM.

Yeah, RoccondilRinon would probably be able to help you out quicker than I could, not to mention he has the PAL version.  I'm all the way up in Chicago, so it'd take quite a while to get down under.

The "Purist" edition, IIRC:

- Removes any music not originally in the film
- Restores Threepio's line at the beginning from "There'll be no escape this time" back to "There'll be no escape for the Princess this time"
- Restores the theatrical edit of the Obi-Wan/Luke hut scene
- Removes the two new Death Star reveals
- Removes the new TIE reveal from the Death Star battle

Am I missing anything else here?

Oh, and as for the "Purist" torrent:

- There IS NO DVD-9 (dual-layer) of the Purist version.  Any that claim to be are mislabeled and are actually the full Revisited version with ALL changes intact.
- You'd want the "Purist" DVD-5 (single-layer), which should be in the ballpark of 4.5 gigs, which you can burn to a DVD-/+R and play on your DVD player.
- The smaller AVI versions are just video files you can watch on your computer - there should be one that's 700 MB, and one that's around 1400 MB (1.4 GB).  I don't remember if either of those are the "Purist" version.
- While there IS NOT a DVD-9 (dual-layer) of the "Purist" version, there IS a DVD-5 (single-layer) of the full Revisited version.  If you decide against the "Purist" edition, but don't want to download an 8-gig file or don't have a dual-layer DVD burner, the DVD-5 of the Revisited version would be what you want.

Also, if you decide on the full version and not the Revisited version, I can mail you a copy of the NTSC (USA & Canada format) DVD-9.  I do NOT have access to the Purist version, or a PAL (Europe, etc. format) copy.

Except movies shouldn't be made to cater to you.  They should be made the way the director wants to make them, and if people like them enough to pay for them, great.

That's the problem with Hollywood - trying to cater to the audience so they can make more money.

The line went something like:

BRUCE: Will it protect me against dogs?

FOX: We talkin' rottweilers or chihuahuas?  It should do fine against cats.

Not 100% precisely accurate, but that's basically what the line was.

DarkGryphon2048 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

RE the mayor and mascara: if you've seen LOST or any other movie/show with Nestor Carbonell, he always looks like that - supposedly he has naturally thick eyelashes.

And I'm all for a proper version of the Riddler, and I'd be very intrigued to see Nolan's interpretation of the Mad Hatter as well.

And now for a little tangent of mine about the Riddler:

The Riddler in my mind needs to be an incredibly intelligent person who has an obsessive compulsion to make his crimes take the form of puzzles or traps, whilst leaving clues behind to prove that he's smarter than the police by giving them all the answers and still getting away with whatever it is he's doing.  And his only problem at all with Batman is that he's the only one who's ever outwitted him - basically, his entire anti-Batman motivation is to prove that he's smarter than Batman is.  And he should be NOTHING like the Joker - his riddles aren't jokes, they're puzzles, plain and simple.  And the question mark gimmick needs to be toned down immensely - green suit jacket, black slacks, green tie (maybe with a question mark) and a bowler hat.  No cheesy Jim Carrey-esque costume.

I think I've seen him in a few episodes of the live-action THE TICK.

 

Chain, that sounds EXACTLY like the BATMAN: The Animated Series version of The Riddler. I'd love to see that particular "rendition" on the silver screen. But who could play him?

That Firefly or Firebug could be an arsonist type. The grey-suited one.

The Mad Hatter could be great too.

 

Interesting - I'll need to watch the Riddler episodes of TAS again (I haven't seen it in ages and had to sell my DVDs of the first two seasons during my period in between jobs).  And I had a perfect idea for who could play that rendition of the Riddler a while ago ... then completely forgot who I'd thought of.

Apparently, T1 and T2 are 100% canon with "Salvation," but T3's events, while they happened, won't be followed as strictly (i.e. some elements may be retconned or just not mentioned).

RE the mayor and mascara: if you've seen LOST or any other movie/show with Nestor Carbonell, he always looks like that - supposedly he has naturally thick eyelashes.

And I'm all for a proper version of the Riddler, and I'd be very intrigued to see Nolan's interpretation of the Mad Hatter as well.

And now for a little tangent of mine about the Riddler:

The Riddler in my mind needs to be an incredibly intelligent person who has an obsessive compulsion to make his crimes take the form of puzzles or traps, whilst leaving clues behind to prove that he's smarter than the police by giving them all the answers and still getting away with whatever it is he's doing.  And his only problem at all with Batman is that he's the only one who's ever outwitted him - basically, his entire anti-Batman motivation is to prove that he's smarter than Batman is.  And he should be NOTHING like the Joker - his riddles aren't jokes, they're puzzles, plain and simple.  And the question mark gimmick needs to be toned down immensely - green suit jacket, black slacks, green tie (maybe with a question mark) and a bowler hat.  No cheesy Jim Carrey-esque costume.

Johnny Ringo said:

I think ziz meant that the Scarecrow might have initially had a larger part in the film bit was trimmed back to what we say.

Ah, gotcha.  One can only hope that an alternate version of the scene exists where Cillian Murphy actually acts rather than just saying his lines in his normal tone of voice without even putting on his Scarecrow/Dr. Crane performance from BB.