ChainsawAsh

I disagree with adding Artoo's rockets to the OT.  I think they should be removed from the PT - I personally think they're rather ridiculous.

I like the idea of the walker head exploding by a rebel pilot crashing into it, and I also like the idea of it remaining standing instead of falling over.  I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of that being Veers - so now just some random walker blows up the generator?  It could work, but like I said, I, personally, am not 100% sold.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

bkev said:

the Naboo scene.  The celebration flows much better without it.

 

 

 It's not so much that Naboo erks me...it's that we see Tatoonie.

I thought the empire didn't mess with that "old rock"? (of course except to find the droids)

I hope there's something new that can be done about the ending...

I *do* hate the last Star Wars movie ending with the Teddy bear picnic...

I agree about the Tattooine celebration.  That should be excised for that exact reason.

While I'm not a giant fan of the "Yub Nub," I also don't like the new music.

Sadly, I really have no suggestions of my own here (probably because it's 1:30 AM and I'm still a little drunk), but I'm sure Ady's judgment will be more than adequate.

Now back to ESB ... about that snowflake on Chewie's foot ...

Probably the only thing I'll ever say about politics on this board:

I for one am very glad to see Obama make McCain look more inexperienced and naive thatn McCain claims him to be.

Those are some very good - if incredibly radical - ideas.

I think it may be a good idea to replace the space battle from ROTJ with the one from ANH.  The rebels plan out this elaborate attack, then get there and - oh shit! - the Death Star is finished and there's no shield.  No Endor to worry about, eliminating Ewoks.  Intercut the space battle of ANH (minus Luke, who's fighting Vader) with the in-the-distance battle of ROTJ (replacing any DSII shots with ANH's DS1).

There are a lot of logistical problems with this as well (how'd Luke get into the Death Star?), but either way, it makes for some intriguing discussion topics.

count_doodie said:

doubleofive said:

Asteroid-Man said:

Ady, do you have the Lightsaber battle without any music?

The "PURIST" version is pretty much that.

i was under the impression that that purest edition was just a colour corrected, greedo shooting/jabba less version of the film. am i mistaken? does the purest editoin have the extended death star attack and awesome new alderaan exploading shots?

i've glanced through the thread and i cant seem to find what exactly the purest edition is. is it just Revisited without battle of the heroes? coz that'd be sweeet!

-doodie

You're thinking of the AVCHD versions Adywan's releasing, which are 1080p HD versions of the 04 SE, color corrected, minus Greedo shooting and Jabba in ANH and I think one or two alterations to ESB and ROTJ that I'm not clear on.

ChainsawAsh said:

MeBeJedi said:

For what it's worth. I am still willing to finish the X0 Project.

 

However, I've not heard anything from Zion on our private board since July 13th, and his last post here was August 6, 2008. Frankly, I'm a little concerned about him (as well as for myself, since he has one of my Def Col LDs!)

 

I'd make an offhand remark about how folks on this project tend to disappear, but I don't want to jinx myself...

 

What would be the chances of releasing the work that has been done already, or the raw X0 transfers for people to use as a starting point for their own restoration projects?

As a side-note, have Empire and Jedi been transferred with the X0 player, or just Star Wars, and if just SW has, would it be possible to get Empire and Jedi transferred at this point, or no?

Re-posted since my first post got buried under Rob's bullshit.

HigHurtenflurst said:

Hi there!

I'm new here and only yesterday found out about Adywan's incredible ANH revisited.

 

Gobsmacked.

 

Utterly speechless.  I will never be able to watch ANH again without thinking about what it should have been.  So now I have a dilema.  I can watch it on my little computer monitor, but I want to watch it properly on the big screen.  I downloaded it as an AVI, and tried burning it as a DVD.  The aspect ratio is all wrong for my bigscreen, and it takes a lot away from it. 

What is the best way to burn this thing from an AVI with an aspect ratio suitable for bigscreen, OR:  is there a DVD (done right) that is available for purchase some where? 

PLEASE tell this rabid SW fan how to best enjoy Adywan's masterpiece!!!

 

Thanks!

Yeah, don't try to burn the AVI to a DVD, you'll get horrid results every time.  Download either the single layer DVD (4.5 gigs) or the dual layer DVD (8.5 gigs, marginally better picture, more extras) and burn that to a disc and watch it.

This is incredibly sad news for music.  Wright was one of the greatest musicians of our time, and was very unfairly underappreciated for his fantastic work in Pink Floyd.  As soon as I heard this, I dropped what I was doing and listened to "Echoes" in its entirety in his honor.

Rest in peace, Rick.  You've gone to your last great gig in the sky (I know it's corny, but I had to say it).

He didn't take out Biggs, though - I personally don't have a problem with that since, honestly, I didn't mind the addition in the SE, and all the other things you mentioned have, ineed, been done, and done very well.

MeBeJedi said:

For what it's worth. I am still willing to finish the X0 Project.

 

However, I've not heard anything from Zion on our private board since July 13th, and his last post here was August 6, 2008. Frankly, I'm a little concerned about him (as well as for myself, since he has one of my Def Col LDs!)

 

I'd make an offhand remark about how folks on this project tend to disappear, but I don't want to jinx myself...

What would be the chances of releasing the work that has been done already, or the raw X0 transfers for people to use as a starting point for their own restoration projects?

As a side-note, have Empire and Jedi been transferred with the X0 player, or just Star Wars, and if just SW has, would it be possible to get Empire and Jedi transferred at this point, or no?

Rob, I'm going to say this nicely:

Get the fuck out of this thread, you fucking jackass.

kriegdersterne said:

One thing that seemed to be a bit off tough was the loudness of the sound compared to the dialog. I had the remote in my hand all the time and when there was a dialog scene I increased the volume and when there was and action scene I had to reduce the volumne again because it was too loud. Anybody else had that problem?

That's actually a sign of good dynamic range.  When the parts that are supposed to be softer/quieter are the same volume as the big, loud actiony parts, the sound has been compressed too much.  Some people prefer this, as it lets them watch a movie at a consistent volume level without bringing the house down, but the vast majority of DVD players offer a "dynamic range compression" option which does this exact thing, so those of us who like our loud moments to really be louder than the quiet ones can have our way, and those who prefer everything to be about the same can choose to listen to it that way, too.

I will admit, however, to turning compression on when I'm watching a movie at night, before or in bed, so I can hear the dialogue without the loud parts waking others up.

I'm very intrigued - I've wanted to do something like this for a while.  I'd be willing to start up a PIF chain if someone can send me a copy (I live in Chicago).

Josh, have you posted this issue in the "Bug Reports" section?  Maybe Jay can help you out.

If you're changing the framerate at which it's played, you're not changing the encode at all, just the number of times an image is displayed per second.  Now there are artifacts introduced when the *sound* is slowed down, but they're negligible.

For future reference, if you need to make an addition to a post, there is an "edit" feature.

---Heroes season 2---

Really?  What was so bad about that?  Sure, it wasn't nearly as good as season 1, but I mean come on, it wasn't *that* bad!

It might creat a frame similar in size to 70mm running vertically, but it's still 35mm, the way IMAX is still 70mm even though it's on its side.  But if you could get the original elements of those, the actual VistaVision negatives of those shots, then you would want to transfer the shots that utilized that format from those, much like the Blade Runner 70mm effects shots being transferred separately from the 35mm shots.

I'll admit I loved "Batman & Robin," but I was 8 at the time they came out.  By the time I was 10, I'd realized how bad it was (that was the age when I really began to appreciate good films versus bad films - before than a movie was a movie unless it was scary to me).

Anyway, I'm going to see TDK again at the Navy Pier IMAX in Chicago with two friends who somehow have managed NOT to see it at all yet.  I'm excited for them.

Bingowings said:

ChainsawAsh said:

It's been covered.  Read the thread.

 

(hint: the answer is "No, he won't")

asajjven ignore ChainsawAsh who is clearly having a bad hair day

Yeah, sorry about that, it was really late at night and I was very tired but unable to sleep, thus becoming rather irritable.  I apologize, asajjven, for being rather rude to you, and welcome to OT.Com!

I agree about the torture droid and the lightsaber, but hey, there's so much I didn't like about the movie before that's been fixed now, it seems trivial to argue about TWO things I don't like in comparison to, say, 15.  I, for one, prefer hard subs for scenes like Greedo's.

I'll try to address your post as individual points:

- We want them to present DVD releases that accurately represent what someone would have seen in the movie theater in 1977, 1980, and 1983, respectively.

- A "negative" is what is recorded to film when it is run through the camera.  This is then duplicated to make a "positive."

As an example, the left would be the negative, and the right would be the positive:

Therefore, the negative isn't suitable for projection since it isn't true-to-life colors, while the positive is.  However, when the image is duplicated, quality is lost.  This includes blowing up to 70mm - quality *is* lost, however minimal.

So, in order to get the most possible visual information, you would want to transfer the original negative at high resolution.

- As far as cleaning up films goes, there's physical cleanup, that is removing dirt and scratches from the physical film by chemicals or whatever else is available, and then digital cleanup, in which the scanned image is "cleaned" in the computer, which usually involves subtle alteration of the image.  For instance, if a speck of dirt is on frame B, but frame A and frame C don't have dirt, a chunk of the image from either frame A or C will be copied and pasted over the dirt in frame B to "erase" it, although that's not truly what was originally there.

Then there's noise reduction.  With the advent of digital cinematography, the idea of "film grain" has become associated with noise or dirt, when in reality it's part of the chemistry of the film itself and is MEANT to be there.  There are methods of removing grain, but they all amount to the same thing: blurring the image and re-sharpening it, which, of course, removes detail, and can cause distortions in the image like "edge enhancement," or little halos around sharp lines (see the Episode I DVD for this).

So we basically want care taken in the cleanup process - do as much physical cleanup as is possible without causing damage to the film, then use a fine, careful touch during digital cleanup.

- Remastering.  Mastering something is making a "master" copy from which to make copies.  Re-mastering something is making a new master copy in a different form.  So "digitally remastered" just means a new digital transfer was made, not necessarily that any careful work was put into it.  It is, however, a widely thrown-around word that really has no meaning anymore.

- Restoring is, generally, making something better resemble its original version.  This, too, is a term that can be used broadly.  A film can be "restored" in such a way that means damage done to it over the years has been fixed, or deleted scenes can be "restored" into a film, or a film can be "restored" to its director's "original vision."

- Finally, as Ziz said, if a film was shot on 35mm, use 35mm elements to transfer it.  For "Blade Runner," the film was shot with 35mm, but effects sequences were done in 70mm - for the recent "Final Cut," the original 70mm elements for the effects sequences were found and used for those sequences.

"Star Wars," however, was shot on 35mm entirely, and blown-up to 70mm the way some films are blown-up to IMAX (which is, technically, 70mm) today.  When you blow something up, you distort it, no matter what.  So its best to take it from the original elements, not blow-ups just because they happen to have the capacity to contain more information.

I hope I've answered your questions - it's almost 2 AM and I'm rather tired, but can't sleep.

It's been covered.  Read the thread.

(hint: the answer is "No, he won't")

Are you talking about the "DVD on TV" things FX does sometimes?