Sorry, guys. I just found out Dave Matthews is from Charlottesville. So no new statues – too risky!
EDIT: Wait, different Dave Matthews. Could be okay.
Question is it know how many of the nazis that were there were actually from the Charlottesville area?
Well, I doubt many of the Nazis that killed Anne Frank were from Amsterdam, so their birthplaces don’t matter so much as where they choose to do the awful things they do. In that sense, an “Up yours, Nazis!” statue is warranted in both Charlottesville and Amsterdam, even if not a single Nazi was born in either place.
Your point was fair. Not knowing anything about Charlottesville history other than the last week, it was the best I could come up with on short notice.
But what does she have to do with the history of Charlottesville?
There was this march there, recently. It’s been in the news. There were Nazis.
But seriously, I don’t know much about Charlottesville. If there are local Jewish figures up for consideration, I’d say move them to the top of the list. Just to remind the Nazis that they absolutely will be replaced, every last one, with the very people they want to murder.
Actually, Jerrod Kuhn’s Nazi chant just gave me an idea.
After they get rid of the Confederate statue in Charlottesville, it should be replaced improved with something like this.
Jerrod Kuhn, Nazi from Honeoye Falls, New York, has denied he’s a Nazi. His account on a Nazi website was a wacky lark, you see, and the torch he was holding was just a much less fussy light source than a flashlight. The “Jews won’t replace us” chant, er, that was, um… OK, maybe he’s a Nazi after all.
Maybe I’ve watched too many Indiana Jones movies, but didn’t these guys used to be a little less delicate?
vandalized and tore down was just of a nondescript soldier, not even standing in a glorified position and it was dedicated to the war dead.
There are other ways to memorialize the dead. I’d definitely argue that statue was a glorification.
even though he said the soldier was not standing a in a glorified position?
WTH is a glorified position? A soldier can be downtrodden & grieving, and it doesn’t mean the statue wasn’t designed to symbolize the nobility (no matter how dear the price) of their cause.
Example:
Regarding where to draw the line on statues: generally speaking a very easy line to draw is “Was the statue erected during a period of domestic terror as a means of further intimidating the citizens targeted by that terrorism?” T
So now we are comparing General Lee to Bin Laden?
The domestic terror campaign I’m talking about was kicked off when Reconstruction ended, and lasted about a hundred years (i.e. the period when the statues were erected). I’m not sure General Lee was involved in any of that.
EDIT: If I were to compare Lee to any contemporary figure, I’d say the best match would be one of the Iraqi Republican Guard leaders who went on to fight for ISIS, not because of a great deal of ideological allegiance (the Baathists were not Islamists), but because that’s the way the sectarian split of Iraq went.
Regarding where to draw the line on statues: generally speaking a very easy line to draw is “Was the statue erected during a period of domestic terror as a means of further intimidating the citizens targeted by that terrorism?” That could apply to more than just Confederate statues, but it should take care of most of them. I’m sure there are other tests for harder cases.
We’re members of a forum about preserving art, why not make the argument that for their preservation for future generations, our Confederate monuments are being placed in museums where they will be safe from the destructive forces of nature?
That’s exactly what being proposed in many of the “removal” scenarios. Although I suspect they’ll be “placed in museums” where they can be looked after by top men. Top. Men. But still, only some are being destroyed. The rest are headed for the crate beyond.
The best way to demonstrate we’re not ignoring the lessons of history is to replace these statues with statues of MLK or Gandhi or some such figure. To the contrary, it would show we’re finally starting to learn the lessons of history.
How would you explain the presence of many women in the early years of computer science, then?
Many occupations have undergone complete reversals in gender preference, so any statement about a bias should probably be read as a “current bias”. For example, secretaries and schoolteachers used to be fairly exclusively male professions. Now (at least in the US), it’s almost entirely reversed. And completely coincidentally I’m sure the status and relative wages of those occupations have dropped.
resist?
Which has been a kind of one-word slogan of anti-white supremacist forces since January. Bumper stickers, protest signs, and so on.
Not just anti-white supremacist forces, but anti-Trump forces in general.
Tomayto.
resist?
Which has been a kind of one-word slogan of anti-white supremacist forces since January. Bumper stickers, protest signs, and so on.
Hope she didn’t make herself sick eating so much cake. Also grill cheese sandwiches and cake don’t go together.
Grilled cheesecake, on the other hand…
My, what large interrobangs you have!
Romney finally called on Trump to apologize (yeah, that’s gonna happen). While I do think he is a little late to the party and focusing a little too much on how all of this makes America look rather than the actual content of what was said, “a day late and a dollar short” seems a petty criticism when so many haven’t even gone this far. So yay for Romney, what’s everyone else’s excuse now?
“You can depend on Americans to do the right thing when they have exhausted every other possibility.” We’ve been out of other possibilities for a while now, Winston.
When I’ve noticed they’re always using some kind of sheet or blanket to cover up, but even if they weren’t I don’t think it should be such a big deal.
Wait, is this the breastfeeding discussion or the white supremacy discussion?
The United States by 2020 will prove itself to be the most racist and genocidal civilization humanity has ever known.
Your use of the future tense betrays your inner Pollyanna.
I keed, I keed!
How long has Wikileaks been in the tank for Putin?
“First, they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing. Because @#%$ them, they are Nazis, they are literally the reason you know this poem!” - Unknown
Now I’m wanting some nachos galacticos.
*sigh*
What is so difficult to understand?
breast on female = private part
display of private part = nudity
nudity not appropriate in public area, unless area is zoned for nudity.
Would you feel better if every public place had a roped off area for breastfeeding? Would that be ok then because it’s designated for that usage, even though you could still accidentally see one of those scary offensive nipples?
Anyway, what is so difficult to understand?
Adult’s mouth on breast on female = sexual
Child’s mouth on breast on female = survival
Never read Grapes of Wrath, eh? 😉
It’s fairly appalling to me that Corporate America seems to have a stronger moral compass than some of our major religious leaders. I’ve never been a fan of either, but corporations are by definition amoral, profit overrules everything institutions. And yet here we have Twitter, Facebook, Paypal, Google, AirBnB all doing the right thing while white evangelical leaders are silent or worse. Who’d have thought taking a stand against Nazis who murder people would cause so much hand-wringing, dithering, and shoe-gazing. I guess being amoral eats into your profits long before it hurts your church attendance, depending on your church. That’s not to say there aren’t major religious leaders who do speak out – they do, and bless them – but it disgusts me that so many do not, when it is presumably their day job.
Source on Twitter and Facebook doing the right thing? I thought they had been mostly complicity in this issue.
You are correct. I swore I’d heard Twitter was shutting down white supremacist accounts (except Trump’s), but I’m not seeing a source now.
Meanwhile, could someone read the rest of this article for me? I got to this line and couldn’t stop irony-induced laugh-vomiting, which makes reading hard:
King said Bannon was “exploiting the racial issue. That can’t be allowed.”
It’s fairly appalling to me that Corporate America seems to have a stronger moral compass than some of our major religious leaders. I’ve never been a fan of either, but corporations are by definition amoral, profit overrules everything institutions. And yet here we have Twitter, Facebook, Paypal, Google, AirBnB all doing the right thing while white evangelical leaders are silent or worse. Who’d have thought taking a stand against Nazis who murder people would cause so much hand-wringing, dithering, and shoe-gazing. I guess being amoral eats into your profits long before it hurts your church attendance, depending on your church. That’s not to say there aren’t major religious leaders who do speak out – they do, and bless them – but it disgusts me that so many do not, when it is presumably their day job.
JFJ is a terrible person.
Like father, like son.
Oh yeah? Then why is Donald Trump Jr. such an upstanding…
Oh.
Everyone always criticizes Uday, while Qusay gets away with everything.
It’s fairly appalling to me that Corporate America seems to have a stronger moral compass than some of our major religious leaders. I’ve never been a fan of either, but corporations are by definition amoral, profit overrules everything institutions. And yet here we have Twitter, Facebook, Paypal, Google, AirBnB all doing the right thing while white evangelical leaders are silent or worse. Who’d have thought taking a stand against Nazis who murder people would cause so much hand-wringing, dithering, and shoe-gazing. I guess being amoral eats into your profits long before it hurts your church attendance, depending on your church. That’s not to say there aren’t major religious leaders who do speak out – they do, and bless them – but it disgusts me that so many do not, when it is presumably their day job.