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#1106179
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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oojason said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think a football player sitting during the anthem is ineffectual. It’s less effective even than temporarily adding an overlay to your Facebook avatar after a crisis.

If the people who sit want to help the cause for which they protest, they should do so in a way that matters. You can’t show solidarity to the BLM community by sitting unless the camera notices you doing it and the media jumps up and down accordingly. So I think the people who sit should be ignored, because it deflates their method of protest entirely.

It’s similar to how Trump wouldn’t have won the primary had he not been given all the media attention. Just ignore them, and their opinion becomes moot.

A player sitting during the anthem is so ineffectual you think the media should ignore it (instead of jumping up and down accordingly) - so it will deflate their method of protest entirely?

Erm… what?

Well, I’ve been trying to stay out of this one so far, but I think I can translate. I think he’s saying it’s ineffectual in that it doesn’t communicate the message you’re trying to send, not that it doesn’t successfully grab media attention. i.e. the media ruckus becomes about sitting and flags and whatnot, and not about your actual grievances, therefore it’s ineffectual.

I haven’t actually formed an opinion on the concept of media grabbing yet. It does seem to be central to the “Stay Woke” thesis – that unless your reminders that racism and brutality exists are adequately loud and outrageous, your protests will eventually turn into background noise and the media (and therefore the majority) will tune them out, fall back into a slumber, and think everything must be fine now. BLM has embraced this and while they’ve clearly gotten some backlash, the media’s focus on police racism and brutality has definitely been longer and more critical recently than during any recent prior protest movement, and I’d say police racism and brutality is actually much less prevalent today than in the years past when it was barely covered at all. So did BLM succeed with confrontational protest tactics? Or is it the fact that almost every citizen carries around a video camera these days and stuff can’t be explained away as easily as it used to? Or a combination. I really don’t know.

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#1106150
Topic
Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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Yeah, the Nordic languages in general are pretty much your subtitle timing torture test. That’s why “summarized” subtitles are so popular there, you condense and drop sentences wherever you can. On the other end of the spectrum, I think Project Threepio’s slower subtitles probably cause some head scratching with Chinese subtitles, which I believe can be read much more quickly. One size, or speed, doesn’t really ever fit all – but boy does it reduce overhead.

EDIT: I should also add that while the other Nordic language subtitles in Project Threepio are in the condensed form (straight from the GOUT), the Finnish ones have been redone in a longer, more accurate form, so it was probably the worst possible language to try to match to Revisited’s English subtitle timing.

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#1106133
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Florida politics in the era of Trump.

“Why should I resign,” he asked in an exclusive interview from his $2 million beachfront condo. “I did nothing wrong and I was elected. This is just party politics.”

He already sounds like he’s channeling someone familiar. So what’s the story with this witch hunt he’s fending off?

Four months after 28-year-old Rupert Tarsey was elected secretary, party officials have found out the young philanthropist and supporter of President Donald Trump is really Rupert Ditsworth.

And a decade ago, the then-Beverly Hills teenager was charged with attempted murder in Los Angeles after hitting Harvard-Westlake School classmate Elizabeth Barcay over the head at least 40 times, splitting her skull open.

Oh, well then, nothing to see here. Fake news. So unfair.

Jesus Effing Christ.

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#1105816
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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yhwx said:

FM, STMAO!

Seriously, though. This is stupid.

You may have a point.

Okay, other stuff, Nigel Farage of Brexit fame goes full fascist, neatly tying Putin, Brexit, Trump, white supremacist idiocy, and ongoing efforts to destroy all NATO countries (next stop, Germany) into a single package. They’re not even trying to hide the relationships anymore, which means they don’t think they have anything to fear, which means they may be right.

Speaking of what they may or may not fear, Mueller looks like he’s going after yet another obstruction of justice charge. How many is that now?

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#1105761
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I know a lot of passively racist idiots, and they don’t vote Democrat, and they definitely didn’t vote for Obama.

Certainly there were lots of reasons Obama voters may have switched to Trump, but…

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html?mcubz=0

Using this and other data, political scientists have argued that racial resentment is the strongest predictor of whether voters flipped from Mr. Obama to Mr. Trump, and the biggest driver of Trump support among these voters.

Yes, racial resentment is the strongest predictor of the Obama-Trump vote in this survey data.

We all know racists, but it seems at least in this regard that the ones I know were more representative of racists nationally, in that at least some of them will vote for Democrats, even Black Democrats, when the Republican alternatives aren’t racist enough.

I still don’t get that. I mean even if the Republicans aren’t racist enough for you, surely the Dems aren’t going even less racist, especially the black Dems. If I were racist, I doubt I’d be voting for the Dems or black people. If I couldn’t stomach the Republicans, I would probably write-in Hitler or maybe George Wallace or something like that(again, if I were racist). No way I would vote for the Dems or any black person(again, if I were racist).

The trick is, you’re imagining yourself being a logical racist. Such a beast doesn’t exist. To an overt racist, Democrats aren’t “less racist” than Republicans. They’re both touchy-feely-hippy-dippy-Abraham-Lincoln-kumbaya-ebony-and-ivory-in-harmony wannabes – equally. So you either don’t vote or you move on to a second tier of criteria. However, that has likely changed now. After Trump, I think people will assume, for better or worse, that all Republicans are racist until proven otherwise, and those votes are now gone for the Democrats for the long term.

Racists in general, and even some white supremacists, are not single issue voters. They also have opinions on medical marijuana, the Iraq War, minimum wage, and so on. Democrats can do well on many of these issues. Not all anti-abortion voters vote for Republicans either, because abortion is not the only issue.

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#1105760
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t even agree that that qualifies as casual racism.

People in the survey were given a multi-point scale (strongly agree/disagree style) on questions like: Does the existence of racism make you angry/not interested/glad? Now I don’t have the raw data in front of me, so I’m not sure how people answered this particular question, but people who are glad about racism are racists. I’d even say people who deny the existence of racism and/or acknowledge its existence but don’t bother to care are racist. IMO the questions in the survey were good enough to measure some degree of racism. Now there’s methodology and honesty and all that too, but apparently someone gave racist enough answers or they wouldn’t have been able to come to any conclusions.

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#1105726
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

Well, the survey information they’re basing that on does not indicate white supremacist views. For example, the fact that they don’t believe in white privilege probably comes from the fact that they’re working-class households in places like the rust belt.

Of course I’m committing the cardinal sin again of using the R word without stating in which sense. I’m using “racist” in the casual “holds racist views” sense, so a much larger group than white supremacists, but smaller than the “unknowingly perpetuates racism” sense. When you said racists voted 99% Republican, I made the assumption you were using it in that sense and I responded in kind.

I believed both of our statements were about these casual racists in general, I just added that it could even extend to a few white supremacists too. If it turned out you were just talking about white supremacists the whole time, mea culpa, that would be a small group, and your 99% number was conservative IMO. In the sense I’m using the word, the survey results seem to back me up. It definitely shows racists, in the broader but not all-encompassing sense of the word, voted for Obama, and then switched to Trump more strongly than any other measured demographic. And I wouldn’t be surprised to find a white supremacist or two in there too – but there’s no evidence on that either way.

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#1105701
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

I know a lot of passively racist idiots, and they don’t vote Democrat, and they definitely didn’t vote for Obama.

Certainly there were lots of reasons Obama voters may have switched to Trump, but…

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html?mcubz=0

Using this and other data, political scientists have argued that racial resentment is the strongest predictor of whether voters flipped from Mr. Obama to Mr. Trump, and the biggest driver of Trump support among these voters.

Yes, racial resentment is the strongest predictor of the Obama-Trump vote in this survey data.

We all know racists, but it seems at least in this regard that the ones I know were more representative of racists nationally, in that at least some of them will vote for Democrats, even Black Democrats, when the Republican alternatives aren’t racist enough.

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#1105643
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

Apparently Rowling discovered, after having already invented the racist ideals of the Death Eaters on her own, just how close the real world ideology of the Nazis really was. She visited a Holocaust memorial and discovered the lengths the Nazis went to to determine someone’s supposed racial purity.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/author-chilled-to-learn-harry-s-half-blood-status-has-nazi-parallels-1-540890

Wow. To have done a lot of research is admirable. To have independently come up with so many parallels is… icky. My condolences to Ms. Rowling, that must have been a shock to her.

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#1105614
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Yeah, Rowling’s Death Eaters can very much be read as a drop-in replacement for white supremacists. Even the name “Death Eaters” is derived from a particularly nasty term the early Nazis sometimes used to describe themselves, so she did some research. Also the fact that their leader is someone they’d normally persecute as a mudblood tells of their complex and twisted worldview.

The Believer is another illustration of some of the crazy contradictions that can be found in white supremacy, and it’s based (loosely) on a true story.

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#1105528
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

but . . . Obama is black! I can not believe a white supremacist would vote for a black person. I just can not believe that.

Most wouldn’t, but I’m pretty sure some would. Again, I don’t know any open white supremacists anymore, so I’m guessing as much as anyone, but I can say that white supremacists have lots of special terms for white people who think other races are their equals. One is “race traitors”. And both McCain and Romney fit the bill, even if they may have arguably had subtle racial connotations in their campaign material. And white supremacists do not like race traitors. A lot. And yes, I think many of them probably hate them just as much if not more than they hate nonwhite races. Like I said, there’s a special kind of twisted to their philosophy that actually gets more crazy the more you hear. But the point is, that under some circumstances, some white supremacists would look at Romney and Obama and be unable to make a race-based decision, so would go with something else like economics. Don’t try to make sense of it. The entire worldview is a mashup of madness and idiocy.

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#1105521
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t buy that all these racists that wouldn’t have voted otherwise came out of the woodwork to support Trump.

Neither do I, but I think you underestimate the number of racists if not outright white supremacists that vote for Democrats, and even voted for Obama.

excuse me? why would an outright white supremacist vote for Obama?

Because there wasn’t a white supremacist option on the ballot. The logic is a little monstrous, but I’ve lived in terribly close proximity with white supremacists. The whole belief system is more warped than even the simple level of warped that’s obvious on the surface.

I agree that Republicans have a lock on the racist vote, but I think it’s more of an 80% lock than a 99% lock. With Trump, it pretty much jumped to 100% and Dems needed to make up the difference – which they succeeded in doing, but not in the correct states for the Electoral College.

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#1105515
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t buy that all these racists that wouldn’t have voted otherwise came out of the woodwork to support Trump.

Neither do I, but I think you underestimate the number of racists if not outright white supremacists that vote for Democrats, and even voted for Obama. In terms of presidential candidates, neither McCain, Romney, nor Obama really made a big deal out of race. They were all pitching the same sort of “we all get along and nobody owns anybody else” society, just with different tax rates. From my experience in some deeply racist regions of the country, if racism is a big selling point for you, all of those candidates looked pretty much alike in terms of race. Yeah, one was black, but all of them would lock you up if you firebombed a church, so tomayto tomahto on the race issue. So you decided based on secondary issues – economics, usually. And that’s where Democrats usually pick up the uncommitted racist vote.

Trump was different. We haven’t had a candidate as overtly racist as him in generations. All those Obama-voting racists went to Trump. No respectable Democratic candidate could have picked them up. The only solution was to get non-racist people who didn’t vote before to come out of the woodwork, or non-racist Republicans, and that didn’t happen–not in the right states at least.

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#1105437
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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yhwx said:

What.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905381817695526912

Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.

He only said that because Twitter’s character limit wouldn’t let him say “(except for Denmark, France, Belgium, Finland, Italy, Austria, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Luxembourg, Hungary, the Netherlands, Germany, Slovenia, Greece, Portugal, Spain, the Czech Republic, New Zealand, Estonia, Poland, the United Kingdom, Japan, the Slovak Republic, Israel, Canada, Latvia, Turkey, Ireland, Australia, and Switzerland)”, so he had to just put a hyphen in there as a placeholder.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-prepares-for-harvey-relief-vote/2017/09/06/62919058-92fc-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html?utm_term=.27e957faffc4

The rule of stopped clocks, or someone new has access to the pee tape 😉

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#1105418
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

CatBus said:

And his supporters moved to supporting Hillary at a faster rate than Hillary’s moved to Obama, so if Bernie’s supporters were being unreasonable, at least they were less unreasonable than Hillary’s.

You know, I don’t trust Daily Kos polling information anymore.

That’s not a Daily Kos poll. It’s an ABC/Washington Post poll, just a Daily Kos article about that poll.

Not when the pollsters had worse aim than an OT Imperial Stormtooper.

The pollsters and the forecasters are different things. There really wasn’t much in the way of good polling at all in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, because nobody was interested in how much Clinton would win by, and that’s one problem with the polls right there. The battleground states were pre-supposed – which does make some degree of sense, why pay for a poll in Wyoming when you know Trump will win? They just guessed the wrong states. Without good polls in the states that matter, you’re forecasting based on incomplete data.