CatBus

Suspiciouscoffee just went meta.

TV’s Frink said:

we’re all going to die

chyron8472 said:

Back to the topic though, I really don’t understand why people are apologist or have blinders on for Trump. They’ve decided they like the man, and it therefore makes him infallible.

I’ve said it before, but it’s results. For some people, if he delivers the results they want, everything else can be forgiven. While certainly there are some that are so blinded that they actually think Trump is a wonderful human being, many more of them think he is fairly awful but tax cuts, or fairly awful but Gorsuch, or fairly awful but white power. Yes, I’m certain there are even a few Nazis who shake their heads and say “I know we’re all ultimately just about murdering people, but couldn’t we have come up with a better spokesperson?”

But to get to the point of “what does it take for people to see how bad he is?” the answer at some point is nothing. Trump’s shooting a guy on 5th Avenue comment was accurate. Some of his supporters would just say yeah he shot a guy but tax cuts, or he shot a guy but Gorsuch, or he shot a guy but white power. Some may peel off if there’s publicly-available ironclad indisputable direct physical evidence that Trump committed treason and then ate a baby afterward, but I doubt even in that case he’d go under 36% support.

Maybe there’s a relationship between typical travel time from nearest reasonable pizza joint to your house and love for Papa Murphy’s.

My data points are: 2.5 minutes, not interested in Papa Murphy’s

There’s a rule that DnD food must be lowbrow. It’s in the Cook’s Handbook I think. Gourmet food can get a pass if it’s greasy enough.

Sounds like the phone call was unprotected as well.

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

cooled off and partially congealed

Mmm, but I’m also the guy who orders a hot chocolate at the coffee shop (I don’t drink coffee) and has to wait another 45 minutes until it’s cool enough to drink.

Why not just order powdered cocoa and then cook it at home?

Turns out the real life solution is to order a kids hot chocolate. Added bonus is you can sometimes drink it out of a Barney cup.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

cooled off and partially congealed

Mmm, but I’m also the guy who orders a hot chocolate at the coffee shop (I don’t drink coffee) and has to wait another 45 minutes until it’s cool enough to drink.

dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

Doubt the boss will get you that promotion when that sock is nasty as shit. More likely you’ll get fired first because he finds out you actually stole those socks.

oh, i don’t think Frink would ever fire me…

Check his tweets.

Dek Rollins said:

So, opinions on Spicy Pie? This is what I want, what I really really want.

WYSHS

chyron8472 said:

there’s no way one could claim, from an informed opinion, that Obama was as bad as Trump is.

Hate to jump over the fence on this one, but this really depends on what you expect from government. To some people, competence/intelligence/ethics/integrity matters. To some people, results are the only thing that matters. To the latter group, the question of “who is worse?” is just a matter of “whose policies do you like better?”. Some people like Trump’s policies better than Obama’s, and competence/intelligence/ethics/integrity are all beside the point. That’s why, for some voters, a Supreme Court nomination gets him a lot of credit, while colluding with Russian intelligence agents to hijack the election is a meh issue. That’s your core support there. Well, that plus Nazis is your core support there.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

All food tastes the same.

It all tastes like pizza?

Chicken pizza.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

He did win the 2016 election, he just wasn’t selected by the “American voters”. Whether the alternative is better or not is irrelevant.

Back to the original statement “Americans chose him” is even further from that - “American voters” - as only a small portion of the American population actually voted for him.

When you don’t vote, or vote third party, that in itself is a choice to let the other voters make the decision on your behalf. Plenty of eligible voters were so unhappy with both available choices in 2016, or so certain that the other voters would support their preferred candidate, that they entrusted other voters to make that decision for them. So while not all eligible voters cast a ballot, they all made a choice for either Trump or Clinton, in some manner or another, with the exception of those who were disenfranchised via some sort of voter suppression effort, or were physically unable to cast a ballot due to medical reasons, etc.

PM sent.

yhwx said:

Never would have put you down for an Ohioan.

That place was in my rear view mirror a long time ago, but I must admit the pizza was good.

Cincinnati has a reputation for doing very bad things to otherwise delicious and commonplace foods. First off: the chili. You order chili there and the first thing you’ll be asked is if you’d like a three-way. It is safe to answer yes to this question, although you will be disappointed with the results. It is not safe to eat the chili because it’s not chili, it’s an abomination!

There’s a pizza place Cincinnati people swear by: LaRosa’s. Non-Cincinnati people get this pizza and say “What is with the sauce on this pizza? They laid it on so thick it’s gooping down my arm!” But here is where the outsider is wrong. The sauce is dellicious, the pizza is great, the critics are wrong. LaRosa’s is the very best pizza.

TV’s Frink said:

In today’s News of the Assholes:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/mississippi-toughest-abortion-ban/

Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant, who has said his “goal is to end abortion” in his state, on Monday signed into law the earliest abortion ban in the country that’s in effect.

The law outlaws abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy, and the only exceptions are in cases where the mother’s life is in danger or there is a fetal abnormality that is “incompatible with life.” Senators rejected an amendment that would have made exceptions for victims of rape or incest. Sen. Joey Fillingane (R-Sumrall) said such exceptions wouldn’t be necessary since women who become pregnant as a result of rape or incest would get an abortion right away because “you know immediately that you have been the victim of rape or incest.”

Fuck you, Mississippi.

Mississippi, which has one functioning abortion clinic in the entire state. Because nothing turns your trauma frown upside-down like a road trip.

Pizza is political. It’s the era we live in.

Pineapple is an awesome pizza topping!

Pennsylvania’s new non-gerrymandered districts will be in effect for the 2018 election.

A few more like this and I’ll reduce my silly rule-of-thumb that Democrats need to get 56% of the vote to get 50% of the House.

We do incognito very well indeed.

Looks like whoever recorded Alexander Nix saying these things did incognito even better.

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know much about the Bible but it strikes me as a pretty poor citation for anything.

It’s a great citation for what Jesus Christ was credited as saying in the Bible.

“Was credited as saying.”

Indeed.

Yeah, but the Bible is the Christian holy book, so when talking about what Christians believe that Jesus said, it’s a great citation.

For those that read it, you’re probably right.

Even most Christians that haven’t read the Bible will probably tell you that they believe in the Bible

Sure, but in their mind, the Bible is a book about this guy:

so I think it’s fair to bring it up when talking about what Christians believe or claim they believe.

It’s fair, but there are limits. Christianity is ultimately whatever Christians say it is, and if what modern Christians believe directly contradicts the Bible, then it’s the Bible that’s not adequately describing modern Christianity, not the adherents.

But then you’re just picking your favorite stereotype to malign.

We were talking about Christians who claim to adhere to the Bible’s teachings without actually knowing a word of that Bible. The subject was already narrowed to such a specific subgroup that there weren’t many stereotypes left to pick from.

I think most Christians would say fidelity to the teachings of the Bible are most important. That most fall short is a normative observation but not helpful for any deeper discussion with those same people.

Falling short of the teachings is qualitatively different than “can’t be bothered to find out what those teachings are” IMO.

I’m focused on your defining Christianity as a whole along normative lines.

People think they know the basics of what they believe. But if they are based on a text, we can look at that text to address errors.

And my point was, whenever there is a discrepancy between what people believe and what the text upon which they base that belief says, it can be the text which is the outlier. This was as a counterpoint to the assertion that the text can be used as a neutral reference for the entire religion. Wherever the religion is unmoored from the text, that simply isn’t true.

Every discrepancy is not necessarily a failure of the adherent to be faithful to the tenets of the religion as defined by the text, it could be a failure of the text to be relevant to the religion as defined by its adherents.

We find the same dynamic in policy debates. Pointing out that few people who believe in X have read any literature on the topic and know nothing about the details isn’t remarkable. It certainly proves nothing about X.

IMO, it demonstrates that you can’t use the literature as a means to show what people believe.

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know much about the Bible but it strikes me as a pretty poor citation for anything.

It’s a great citation for what Jesus Christ was credited as saying in the Bible.

“Was credited as saying.”

Indeed.

Yeah, but the Bible is the Christian holy book, so when talking about what Christians believe that Jesus said, it’s a great citation.

For those that read it, you’re probably right.

Even most Christians that haven’t read the Bible will probably tell you that they believe in the Bible

Sure, but in their mind, the Bible is a book about this guy:

so I think it’s fair to bring it up when talking about what Christians believe or claim they believe.

It’s fair, but there are limits. Christianity is ultimately whatever Christians say it is, and if what modern Christians believe directly contradicts the Bible, then it’s the Bible that’s not adequately describing modern Christianity, not the adherents.

But then you’re just picking your favorite stereotype to malign.

We were talking about Christians who claim to adhere to the Bible’s teachings without actually knowing a word of that Bible. The subject was already narrowed to such a specific subgroup that there weren’t many stereotypes left to pick from.

I think most Christians would say fidelity to the teachings of the Bible are most important. That most fall short is a normative observation but not helpful for any deeper discussion with those same people.

Falling short of the teachings is qualitatively different than “can’t be bothered to find out what those teachings are” IMO.

moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know much about the Bible but it strikes me as a pretty poor citation for anything.

It’s a great citation for what Jesus Christ was credited as saying in the Bible.

“Was credited as saying.”

Indeed.

Yeah, but the Bible is the Christian holy book, so when talking about what Christians believe that Jesus said, it’s a great citation.

For those that read it, you’re probably right.

Even most Christians that haven’t read the Bible will probably tell you that they believe in the Bible

Sure, but in their mind, the Bible is a book about this guy:

so I think it’s fair to bring it up when talking about what Christians believe or claim they believe.

It’s fair, but there are limits. Christianity is ultimately whatever Christians say it is, and if what modern Christians believe directly contradicts the Bible, then it’s the Bible that’s not adequately describing modern Christianity, not the adherents.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know much about the Bible but it strikes me as a pretty poor citation for anything.

It’s a great citation for what Jesus Christ was credited as saying in the Bible.

“Was credited as saying.”

Indeed.

Yeah, but the Bible is the Christian holy book, so when talking about what Christians believe that Jesus said, it’s a great citation.

For those that read it, you’re probably right.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Even if you don’t believe that it is literally fire, the point is obvious that Jesus Christ meant that hell is a place of unimaginable torture.

As for chyron’s point about “our perceptions” coloring things, I think it’s fair to judge God by the standards that the Bible claims he judges us. We’re supposed to love our enemies, God tortures his enemies for eternity. I’d imagine that if I personally kidnapped a nonbeliever and tortured them myself because they weren’t Christian, I’d be rightfully labelled an evil maniac. But that’s what Jesus Christ proudly proclaimed he does. Saying that a character that does such a thing is loathsome is not unfair at all.

Isn’t it a basic tenet that only God can judge? I see CatBus’a last paragraph as a plausible scenario. It’s an idea I entertain.

He doesn’t live up to his own standards based on his behavior in the Bible.

I think Jesus changed all that. As I understand it most Jews don’t believe in eternal suffering. I don’t know how Jews square their modern beliefs with the Old Testament.

If I understand my Woody Allen correctly, the eternal suffering happens in life.