Then you’ll need to DL ImgBurn. Again, it tries to DL shit and horseanus onto your PC if you allow it.
I tried to tell the Enumclaw Police Department that’s where those photos came from, but they didn’t believe me.
PM sent.
get the limited edition 2006 dvds or get the depecialized edition
To clarify, though – the original 1977 Star Wars has never been available through an official home video release. The 2006 DVDs have the 77 video, but with 93 audio, and any release with 77 audio has 81 video.
Which is yet another reason why Despecialized is your best option.
Of course it’s more important. The best official release is (arguably) the GOUT. In spite of twenty years of fruitless rumors to the contrary, this is unlikely to change within our lifetimes.
Unless you have terminal cancer and are going to be dead within the next year or two, I’d take that bet.
Since a two year deadline is just taking advantage of your optimism, let’s stretch that out to ten years to at least add some interest. If originaltrilogy.com's still around then (June 9th, 2026 – mark your calendars!), I promise not to say I told you so more than a couple times. And if I lose, well, I’ll be too happy to care. Unless they re-re-release the THX Laserdisc masters on 4K Blu-ray, or release a new Disney “slightly less Special Edition” where Han shoots first but the dionaga still blinks, which I’m hoping everyone agrees wouldn’t count as new OOT releases, the former not really being “new” and the latter not really being the OOT.
Regarding GOUT quality, that’s why I wrote arguably. While many would say it is the best just going off resolution, because color can be corrected, JSC is clearly another contender for the title because DVNR smearing can’t.
Well, it means that TFA is inferior for viewing in other languages compared to the first 6 films on DVD and bluray.
Agreed.
I personally like to turn of the subtitles or be able to change their placement.
That wasn’t an option theatrically, so there’s no reason to expect it on DVD or Blu-ray. It’s only useful in the sense that you can make your own edit of the film, and it’s a side-effect of one of the strategies they could employ to make better localized versions (but not at all a requirement for other, IMO better, strategies like seamless branching). Making life easier on fan editors isn’t really a scenario I expect studios to consider when they release a film. Watching TFA without alien subtitles is not really different than watching TPM without Jar-Jar. It might be nice, some might even prefer it, but it simply isn’t the same as the film that was shown in theatres anywhere in the world.
I’ve seen a few reasonably recent US releases (not Disney, though) with burnt-in English subtitles for any theatrically subtitled bits – I’m not sure how unusual that really is. I’d imagine releases in other language markets, even within Region A, might get different treatment, but I have no proof of this. It’s also possible a second set of soft subtitles in addition to the burnt-in subs is how these films are treated internationally. Certainly that’s how the SDH subtitles work in these instances.
Just thinking out loud – not providing justification – but burnt-in subtitles might make multi-format distribution easier. Forget the Blu-rays, consider streaming services. Each service has its own (often partially-baked) subtitling implementation, and it’s doubtful any of them would be able to resemble the theatrical appearance through soft-subs. So you give the streaming services burnt-in subs on your video, and now they’re good to go. Same for DVDs, which, believe it or not, are still as popular a format as Blu-rays. DVD subtitling sucks, and you simply have to use burnt-in subtitles if you want them to look even half decent. That’s not to say they couldn’t use two different digital masters – one with burnt-in subs and one without – but I’m saying that there’s a pretty clear need for the master with the burnt-in subs, and someone would have had to convince a PHB at Disney not to just go ahead and use that one for the Blu-rays too.
Also, doing it “right” (burnt-in, but on a per-language branch, handling localized crawls as well) would have involved a lot of seamless branching. IIRC Disney pushed seamless branching to its limits not as a localization tool, but as a copy protection scheme, and they ended up with lots of upset customers and returned discs. Maybe they talked about localization, heard the words “seamless branching”, and bailed.
Of course it’s more important. The best official release is (arguably) the GOUT. In spite of twenty years of fruitless rumors to the contrary, this is unlikely to change within our lifetimes.
Despecialized preserves the original films better than the GOUT did, therefore it’s more important than the GOUT. Despecialized is also not a figment of our imagination, therefore it’s more important than the Disney release rumor of the week.
The yell was in the 70mm, 16mm, and 8mm mixes, but wasn’t on the 35mm mix or any home video mix until the SE.
I just checked the 70mm in-theater recording and the Yoda yell is not there.
Whoah. So that’s a 16mm mix difference that’s NOT also on 70mm. I was assuming 16mm differences were a subset of 70mm, but it appears there’s some Venn diagram complexity here. It also means the yell wouldn’t have been heard in a normal theatrical setting at all, but may have been heard in hospital/military venues where 16mms were shown, at home, or possibly in some odd broadcaster version.
The 70mm prints were sent out earlier and they did some last minute newer/better shots of the ships present at the end in time for the 35mm but not the 70mm, as I understand it. The 16mm prints also lack them.
Hmm. I knew about that, but it just seemed like he was referring to more than just that one bit. Well I guess we’ll find out if we ever come across a 70mm print with some more different effects.
The 8mm digest print has some alternate visuals (and audio), matching what people have reported about the 70mm prints, so it’s probably a reduction of that version. It’s on the Spleen: Puggo Edition.
It would also (to me at least) make sense that Yoda makes some sort of natural verbal reaction to Luke aiming the blaster at him. As far as a possible difference between the 35mm and 70mm prints…I can’t say for certain what I heard in each because I saw TESB several times in both print formats.
Just lump it in with the grappling hook false memory, you’re in good company. Be happy you saw the 70mm prints so many times, they still present us with a preservation challenge!
That was apparently present in the 70mm mix (and therefore the 16mm). Since you were expecting it, maybe it was present in a home video release at some point in time, but not the theatrical 35mm audio.
The yell was in the 70mm, 16mm, and 8mm mixes, but wasn’t on the 35mm mix or any home video mix until the SE. It’s possible a broadcaster could have gotten a source with it before then, though.
MrPib Edition! Thanks for a good laugh on a shitty Monday morning.
Some time ago someone took the time to patiently explain to me why some folks want the 97 Theatrical edition. I didn’t really understand before then the draw to anything newer than 77. (I think I asked why it’s “less evil” than the subsequently altered releases.)
Edit: CatBus explained it to me:
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/758554
Man, you really caught me on one of my more pro-97SE days. The “A New Hope” change was a 1981 change, though, as explained earlier. It would have theoretically been a fairly inobtrusive change, and most of the objections stem from it not actually improving anything and the poor technical execution (disregard for previous editing). In that sense, it’s like the SE changes, but that’s where the similarity ends.
Sure. If I understand correctly, the French GOUT subtitles are unique. Nearly every home video release (VHS, Laserdisc, GOUT, etc) got a fresh new translation – some good, some bad, and none of them matched the theatrical subtitles. I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the French GOUT subs, so I imagine they’re not the best of the bunch – but DVDs are easy to rip, so everyone uses the GOUT subs anyway. I’d be happy with any corrections.
I’ve got someone working on a complete French re-translation (the current one seems to have issues in many places), but go ahead and mail me any changes, in case that complete re-translation plan doesn’t work out.
I’ve got someone redoing all the French subs for me, with better translations all around–but mail me any changes to the existing ones anyway, in case those plans don’t pan out.
As for the audio, it’s straight off the PAL GOUT, slowed down. If there are glitches, they’re from that source. German and Spanish tracks have been cleaned up using Laserdisc audio–I suppose we could do the same for French, if we had a click-free track to patch it over with.
There was this feeling during the buildup to the prequels that Star Wars was alive again after a long slumber. People dressing up in costumes, acting silly, sharing nerd camaraderie, camping out in crazy long lines, bringing their kids, and so on. Even the Special Editions didn’t shake it – we simply didn’t know at the time that the Special Editions were intended to supplant the movies we loved, we thought they were just an experiment gone wrong – a soon-to-be-forgotten footnote. This deluded, hopeful “it’ll get better, it has to!” feeling stayed with me, at least a little, until the second prequel. Oh, but as for something good that was actually IN a prequel… I got nothing, sorry. But that hopeful feeling was still pretty good.
Basically, the original trilogy was so potent that the fumes from the OT kept the fans happy for decades, even while the franchise was actively being destroyed. But that fume-y period was a happy, albeit naive, period.
I don’t think TFA captured that feeling at all. People were looking for something to rescue the franchise, they were really hoping it wouldn’t suck, etc. Relative to the prequels, people were pretty sober about it. Even now that TFA’s proven to be much better than the prequels, the fumes have cleared. We’re not naive anymore, which is a shame in a way.
Well, you could fake it, I guess. But the DeEd doesn’t have matching audio or video at all in some places, because it’s a different cut of the film.
Yes, Hungarian accents are already fixed in development and will be available in the next release (10.0).
As far as I’ve been able to tell, the backstory is this: Back in the pre-Unicode Dark Ages, both Hungarian and Romanian used substituted “similar” characters to cover characters that weren’t actually in the ISO-8859 code page they used. Hungarian and Romanian computers then could use custom fonts to map these similar characters to their correct appearance, and it all more or less worked, except when you wanted to exchange documents with someone else. And Hungarian and Romanian users probably became used to occasionally seeing the wrong characters and doing the substitution in their heads.
As of Unicode, there are now codepoints for the correct characters and there’s no reason for any of this substitution to happen, but it still does if the documents are old enough. For example, the Romanian subtitles on the official Blu-rays still display the wrong characters. I caught this and converted them over as they were being OCR’d. The Hungarian files came to me already in SRT format, so I missed the substitution. Sorry!
EDIT: Actually it looks like Romanian was a character substitution like I described, but Hungarian used an almost-but-not-quite identical ISO-8859 codepage, causing similar issues. Either way, it’s fixed in the next version.
No, 16mm mono is yet another unique mix, which really only has a few alternate C-3PO lines and some slightly different mixing. The 8mm digest (Puggo Edition) is way different in lots of places. Not to be confused with normal 8mm prints, which probably have the same audio as the 16mm prints.
I think a few people have thought about using this as a source for an HD 70mm recreation, since this source appears to have the 70mm audio/video differences in it. The problems are that since the source is incomplete, there may still be 70mm differences for which we don’t have any sources, and that the quality is so low that mixing it with better-quality sources would be pretty nasty. I think the 70mm audio mix is way more interesting than the video–I can completely see why they changed them, but it’s nice to hear the lines that actually match the onscreen lip movements, for example.
I was more pointing out that trolling has many modes of interactivity.
Trolls don’t interact?
NO. IT GIVES THEM AN I/O ERROR.
Yeah, but I’m Spartacus.
Yes, filtered shots were done on purpose, and yes, they present a problem. If I understand correctly, the best way to handle them is to correct an unfiltered shot on the same reel, then use that same color adjustment on the filtered shot. e.g. if the whole reel has a pink shift, but one scene has a blue filter too.
This is why the DeEd’s are also available in DVD9 AVCHD format, and DVD5 NTSC format. Now nobody has to download a 20GB file. Hooray, problem solved before it even existed! Incidentally, the DVD5’s are at least not historically made by Harmy himself, but by someone who saw the need for something a little more universally accessible, sought Harmy’s approval, got it, and then released it. Emphasis mine. The world does not need even more “Yo Dawg I see you like Despecialized” releases than we already have cluttering up the torrent sites.