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#1060004
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Skyrocketing is not a defined term. If they’re skyrocketing now, prior to the ACA, they were stratosphere-o-rocketing. Going up either way, just doing it a lot less now (again, on average, you can always find individual data points going other ways). Not a problem the ACA was particularly designed to address (the ACA was about coverage more than cost), but a real problem nevertheless.

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#1059999
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Can’t it be both poorly designed and not explode? There are problems with the ACA. Lots of them. Most are easily fixed (but require a commitment to keep the law in place, so they haven’t been–such as the legalism that allowed states to opt out of Medicaid expansion), and some are truly structural. The ACA is ultimately what you get when you try to let the free market handle insurance with minimal government interference. And that’s not unexpected with its parentage–the ACA was dreamed up at the Heritage Foundation, with Newt Gingrich an early and vocal champion for the individual mandate, and a test-run of the system at the state level under Mitt Romney. It’s the ACA’s quality of bending over backwards to avoid excessive government interference that keeps it from working very well for a lot of people. But it won’t explode.

Yes, on average, premiums are rising much slower than they did before the ACA. Nobody disputes that (outside your standard propaganda mills, using cherry-picked locations). But that doesn’t mean it’s problem-free.

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#1059960
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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DominicCobb said:

Rush, there comes a moment in life where you start to become more aware of the larger societal and systemic conflicts of the world, and how often they affect others (and perhaps not yourself). When faced with this kind of info, people can go too far in either direction - speaking out or shrugging it off. This is natural if unfortunate for nuanced discussion. The key is though to realize nuanced discussion on certain topics does exist if you’re willing to look hard and challenge your own views, whatever they may be.

The problem that you probably don’t realize is that terms like SJW and PC are used to generalize and discredit. Those who make sweeping allegations that these type of people refuse to have reasonable debates are no better themselves. The truth is that yes, a lot of people take things too far (especially on the internet), but you can’t discount a whole ideology just because the word “racism” is brought up, for instance. More often than not, these people have a very well thought out argument as to why such and such is problematic and it’s a lot more than just “waaah he’s a bigot meanie.” To lump everyone into a dismissive categorization like SJW is to essentially say that anyone who thinks things like racism and sexism are still a problem are ridiculous, which is of course as ridiculous a statement as anything else.

At the end of the day, in my mind, which is worse? Someone being cautious about a potentially offensive thing even if overly so? Or someone being actually offensive?

Trump is such a charged situation. For so many people he represents the epitome of everything wrong in the country, and not in the usual “we have a different ideology” way, but in a plainly moral way. And that’s because the guy is living, breathing scum, an example of a bigoted rich old white guy so perfect as to be a parody of itself. The truth is, the bigotry is right there for anyone looking. And for many that makes him completely unredeemable. And for others it doesn’t change a thing for them (and then of course there’s those who like it). Now obviously you have a right not to mind the man’s bigotry. But for many people they just cannot understand how anyone could brush that aside, especially when that bigotry and ignorance can directly affect them. I’m certainly one to preach tolerance, so I understand Trump supporters who overlooked the troubling aspects. But I also sympathize with those who could not. To dismiss those who are so passionately against him is just as bad to dismiss those who are rationally for him. Both have a perspective and a reason for what many on either side may consider to be their extreme opinions.

Now I haven’t watched those videos but just from what you quoted I’m worried about the rhetoric. Mentioning “violent protests” is a clear bit of false framing to villainize these people on the left, because the truth is most protesting is not violent at all, as has been abundantly obvious in this country in the last few months.

Bottom line is understanding the complexity of perspectives and opinions of people in the modern world. It’s tough when you’re in high school and people are just starting to tap into a feeling and don’t know the most rational way to express it yet. But the worst thing you can do is to dismiss someone’s perspective outright on either side of the aisle, just because it doesn’t conform to what you already believe is true about the world.

Well said. I’d add that Trump’s obvious bigotry is not merely a personal criticism, it’s a political one. He campaigned on overt bigotry–and he won because of his overt bigotry, not in spite of it. That’s unusual–we haven’t seen anyone quite like him since George Wallace. So separating the bigoted man from his policies (as people sometimes do discussing Richard Nixon, Woodrow Wilson, etc) is pretty much impossible. That makes political discussions difficult when your starting position is that white supremacy is too far out to take seriously, and I’m afraid that’s a reasonable starting point.

It also doesn’t help that your standard sensitive white person thinks of racism as a binary thing. Either you’re completely free of racism or you’re wearing a hood. So when someone says something is racist, sensitive white person immediately jumps to the hood imagery and either says “Oh noes I’m not associating with that” or “That is ridiculous, you are wrong, you SJW”. But most everyone else sees racism as Palmolive. You’re soaking in it. You’ve been soaking in it since birth, every one of us, even SJW’s. And it’s just a matter of how aware you are of it, rather than if you’ve managed to wash it all off, because you can’t. This dismissal of SJW’s just because of different definitions of racism means that the SJW’s are, through repetitive practice, easy to dismiss even when someone actually is wearing a hood.

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#1059790
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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oojason said:

CatBus said:

The collapse of the media was a global phenomenon, but it was a little more spectacular in the US. Consider the BBC–yeah, it has a bit of a stodgy conservative editorial bias, but it generally avoids the strident ideological stuff that’s common in the US. Plus you get to read about Big Cat sightings on occasion, so you get that 😉 Der Spiegel (yes, there’s an English version), kinda the same strain as the BBC really, so pretty nice. The Independent (UK) is pretty lacking the editorial restraint department, but it’s a good left-of-center counterbalance to the Beeb. Honestly wish there was a large left-leaning news source with good-quality editorial control, but haven’t found one. In the US, the Washington Post seems to be trying to stake out their position as the only large centrist media outlet, with pretty decent editorial control too, but we’ll see how long that lasts.

I’d recommend The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk) as a decent alternative source to the BBC (and the BBC News’ kowtowing down to the Conservative Party in recent years - likely for fear of cuts to it’s licence fee by them).

The Guardian is fairly unique in the UK media as it is owned by a trust and not run for profit (and any profit is invested back into the newspaper - instead of going to it’s owner or shareholders). This is to help keep a certain journalistic freedom and maintain the values of The Guardian - free from commercial or political interference.

If you really want a view from ‘left-field’, as it were, I occasionally opt for the Morning Star (http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/ & https://twitter.com/M_Star_Online), but they have a very limited budget - and whilst many pieces are written with good factual standards, obviously pieces are written from a very certain point of view 😉

Thanks, it’s been a while since I’ve browsed around. Back in the Iraq invasion days, I didn’t honestly see much difference between the Guardian and the Beeb, but that was a long time ago, the issues were very different then as well, and the Conservatives weren’t in power.

Also, a big advantage of the British media over American media. You get a whole new continent with news happening in it every day – Africa! We seem to have misplaced it over here.

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#1059782
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Alderaan said:

CatBus said:

We get the other anti-Clinton Reuters out here, I wish they’d use different names to avoid confusing people.

Come on don’t play naive. On the night before the last primaries, despite there not having been any votes in weeks, they suddenly create a “BREAKING NEWS STORY” that Hillary had enough delegates to win the nomination.

Of course, she already had the same number of delegates weeks earlier. Or on the contrary, none of the superdelegates had voted yet or were bound to vote for anyone yet.

But the point was they were colluding with the Clinton campaign, who had already wrapped up the nomination, to save her any possible embarrassment of losing California the next day. They were behaving just like the New York Times, The L.A. Times, NBC, CNN, and many other liberal outlets, which is a shame, because an organization like Reuters should just stick to the facts.

By Super Tuesday, Bernie had already lost the nomination, just like Clinton did in '08. They both just kept going. By the time California rolled around for their respective official primary losses, they were doing this “it’s mathematically possible” with the emphasis on mathematically and not so much on realistically. And the media played along because the media loves a horse race. If they had been truly neutral and not playing to the horse race narrative, Reuters would have called it weeks earlier, instead of, as you said, waiting for a slow news day and calling the primary then to help pick things up. Now I agree that on the issues, Reuters tends conservative, and so probably treated Clinton more favorably in policy reporting than Sanders. But the primary call? Not just late, but very late.

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#1059765
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

Which parts are supposition?

I read the whole thing top to bottom twice in an attempt to figure that out. Everything is either uncontroversial or has well-documented sourcing.

The only thing I can see setting off anyone is this:

Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.

It’s treated like a he-said, she-said. You’ve got unnamed intelligence agencies and Democrats on one side, and Trump and the Russians on the other. Equally weighted, fair and balanced. They didn’t name all 17 of the intelligence agencies, to avoid tipping the field. Reuters is usually pretty conservative, but this is only a slight pro-Trump tilt.

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#1059748
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jetrell Fo said:

CatBus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN16Y1H6

A Russian bank under U.S. economic sanctions over Russia’s incursion into Ukraine disclosed on Monday that its executives had met Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a top White House adviser, during the 2016 election campaign.

Kushner, 36, married to Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump, has agreed to testify to a Senate committee investigating whether Russia tried to interfere in the election.

Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.

But there has been no doubt that the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, developed contacts among the Trump team. Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign on Feb. 13 after revelations that he had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia with Kislyak and misled Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.

This article seems to be a mish-mash of supposition and some facts, and it’s Reuters. I’ve been watching the C-span coverage of the hearings and the daily Press briefings mostly. Couterpropa.com is also a very fair on-line publication.

I have to wonder why they went through all the trouble of hiding both their real location and owner. That’s not the sort of thing you do on accident when your web admin sets up your DNS name wrong. It takes a real professional effort to conceal it.

H.A. Goodman is the guy who I believe runs and owns the site. He may do it out of his home and doesn’t want to get hacked by those that don’t like him. He writes articles for a lot of other publications too.

Ahh, that guy. The far-right Ayn Rand Republican who suddenly fell in love with Bernie just in time to launch a neverending “attack from the left” on Clinton. As a longtime Bernie supporter, I have already formed an opinion of him.

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#1059744
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN16Y1H6

A Russian bank under U.S. economic sanctions over Russia’s incursion into Ukraine disclosed on Monday that its executives had met Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a top White House adviser, during the 2016 election campaign.

Kushner, 36, married to Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump, has agreed to testify to a Senate committee investigating whether Russia tried to interfere in the election.

Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.

But there has been no doubt that the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, developed contacts among the Trump team. Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign on Feb. 13 after revelations that he had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia with Kislyak and misled Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.

This article seems to be a mish-mash of supposition and some facts, and it’s Reuters. I’ve been watching the C-span coverage of the hearings and the daily Press briefings mostly. Couterpropa.com is also a very fair on-line publication.

I have to wonder why they went through all the trouble of hiding both their real location and owner. That’s not the sort of thing you do on accident when your web admin sets up your DNS name wrong. It takes a real professional effort to conceal it.

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#1059740
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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The collapse of the media was a global phenomenon, but it was a little more spectacular in the US. Consider the BBC–yeah, it has a bit of a stodgy conservative editorial bias, but it generally avoids the strident ideological stuff that’s common in the US. Plus you get to read about Big Cat sightings on occasion, so you get that 😉 Der Spiegel (yes, there’s an English version), kinda the same strain as the BBC really, so pretty nice. The Independent (UK) is pretty lacking the editorial restraint department, but it’s a good left-of-center counterbalance to the Beeb. Honestly wish there was a large left-leaning news source with good-quality editorial control, but haven’t found one. In the US, the Washington Post seems to be trying to stake out their position as the only large centrist media outlet, with pretty decent editorial control too, but we’ll see how long that lasts.

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#1059690
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Alderaan said:

Fox News is a “legitimate” media outlet that is still mostly propaganda and nonsense. So are CNN and MSNBC. Like I said, it’s best to hear information from as many sources as possible, and then get a feel for how to filter out the noise.

Added text to my original post: Keep in mind, passing this test doesn’t mean it’s legit either. I mean, the National Enquirer passes this test, fergoodnesssakes. But if a site actually manages to fail, just walk away. Counterpropa, for example.

That said, news outlets shouldn’t be expected to be neutral. They can have and share opinions, and readers/viewers should be aware of those opinions. It’s when those opinions get in the way of reporting facts that it begins to be a problem. i.e. I don’t like how the New York Times has a pretty strong rightward lean these days, but they’re allowed to hold those positions. That’s much less of an issue than the overall decline in the quality of journalism. And you’re giving Fox News way too much credit–one of their local affiliates went to court (and won) over the right to deliberately misinform their viewers… but they are still a Fox affiliate, so I guess that’s not a dealbreaker.

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#1059680
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On a practical front, you can use http://www.scamadviser.com to look up info on any site, to see if the site’s real location or the identity of its owner is being hidden–both of these are pretty serious red flags. If a site is hiding its real location and its owner’s identity, it’s pretty safe to assume it’s a scam/propaganda outlet until proven otherwise.

Keep in mind, passing this test doesn’t mean it’s legit either. But if it fails, just walk away.

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#1059673
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Just because the election’s over doesn’t mean we get a break from the propaganda. I take small comfort in that at least some propagandists decide the paycheck isn’t worth it anymore.

“I can’t be a 24-hour cheerleader for Hezbollah, Moscow, Tehran, Beijing, and Trump anymore. It’s wrong. Period. I know it gets you views now, but it will kill your brand over the long run,” Lokey texted Ivandjiiski. “This isn’t a revolution. It’s a joke.”

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#1058941
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jetrell Fo said:

I am seeing reports that Manafort, Stone, Page have all written letters to the Congressional Committee offering their testimony in the Russian/Campaign Surveillance investigation. This could turn out to be quite a wild time to be alive.

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/testify-manafort-stone-page-russia-trump/2045/

My money’s on it being a triple display of being shocked, shocked that there was ever any espionage going on in there. And there wasn’t any espionage anyway. And Flynn was behind all of it. And we don’t recall.

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#1058818
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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So, Pravda on the Checkout Line is pushing the story that Flynn was a Russian spy. While traditionally, nothing resembling the truth can ever come out of that place, for the past several months, people have had some success applying the principles of Kremlinology to the tabloid. i.e. you don’t ever learn the truth per se, but you learn who’s in, who’s out (as in out of favor, not necessarily out of a job), and who’s going to fall off a roof next week.

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#1058486
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Handman said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Trump has managed to find a base so stupid that he can say and do anything and they’ll keep right on supporting him.

If you think 1 person has cornered the market on stupid, talk to Bernie Sanders, ask him how he feels about being cheated by his own people.

😉 (a wink in jest)

Joking or not, it’s not a valid comparison. Sanders “base” were not thrilled when he was doing things like endorsing Hillary. Trump’s base would just keep cheering him no matter what.

Just to make sure, are you insinuating Trump’s base would still cheer him if he endorsed Hillary? I thought most of his campaign was run on the fact that he wasn’t Hillary.

I think it’s certainly arguable. There are multiple parallels between the '08 and '16 primaries. One of course is that the Democratic primary was truly settled by Super Tuesday, but the losing candidate kept going on all the way to the end because of the size and devotion of their following. The other, less frequently discussed factor was that once it was clear Clinton was faltering in 08, her campaign staked quite a lot on aiming for the same, er, let’s say “demographic appeal”, that Trump’s campaign later capitalized on–disaffected white working class voters in the south and upper midwest. They both ran on a “not Obama” platform in that sense, and it wouldn’t take much for an '08 Hillary voter in that demographic to jump to a '16 Trump voter–or jump back, especially if Trump dropped out due to losing to a candidate perceived as a racial minority.

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#1058181
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/844669163717246976

I don’t know Rep. Schiff’s background, but if he’s using the term “circumstantial evidence” in the legal sense and not the layman’s sense, we’re in danger of seeing a few more people accidentally falling off buildings. “More than circumstantial” is actually quite a lot.

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#1058160
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Jetrell Fo said:

So are we still maintaining the narrative that Trump Tower was not under surveillance?

I posted about four pages back that Trump Tower was under surveillance, but that Obama didn’t order it, Trump wasn’t the target, and all normal investigative procedures were followed (warrants, etc). There were lots of people in that tower, including a bunch of Russian mobsters running a money laundering operation. You can’t exclude a whole tower full of suspects from legal surveillance just because one of the residents might someday decide to run for President.

How you got from there to Trump Tower was not under surveillance is beyond me.

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#1058150
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Info Wanted: OT Sound Mixes
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Using the “I heard it from hairy_hen therefore it’s gospel” standard, and hoping I don’t misrepresent what he said, here’s the scoop:

Star Wars was the only film that got a new mix in 1985. Any slight differences people have heard on 1985 Empire releases for example are consistent with the normal variations that can happen when creating a new release using the same audio master.

1993 was a whole new master, but Star Wars was the only film that got intentional content changes, and Empire got an accidental change. Jedi has no content differences. The Empire change was a missing snowspeeder crash sound effect.

Empire’s mono mix can be heard on Puggo Strikes Back or the most recent Despecialized Edition. They’re both from the same 16mm source, and there are a few content differences, as well as a number of clear mixing/levels differences. Basically, C-3PO gets a few more lines. It’s worth a listen, just for the historical curiosity alone.