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#1067170
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jeebus said:

http://www.avclub.com/article/alex-jones-performance-artist-playing-character-at-253829?

I’m actually disappointed, I quite enjoyed the mystery.

Pfft. We’ve been hearing this line for decades, just not from him until now. Someone makes their living slandering and vilifying both individuals and entire classes of people, causing real harm, and their defense is “Just kidding! Jeeze, can’t you take a joke?”. From Limbaugh to Yiannapoulos and now Jones. It’s a dodge as despicable as the language it’s trying to cover, because nobody (supporters or detractors) is expected to actually believe them, it’s just the barest possible fig leaf.

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#1066202
Topic
General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Sougouk said:

Hmm, I think I’ll have to check out Manos, since everyone says such “great things” about the movie. 😃

Manos is fine and all (that Torgo theme really sticks with you), but I actually like the short that precedes it better (“Hired!”). But I’m a big fan of those rare moments where absolutely nothing they can say could possibly make it weirder.

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#1065966
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

‘British spies were first to spot Trump team’s links with Russia’:-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

&

GCHQ ‘told US security services about meetings between Donald Trump’s team and Russia’:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/13/ex-british-spy-chief-sir-richard-dearlove-suggests-donald-trump/

&

‘Ex-MI6 chief says Donald Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to keep his empire afloat’:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ex-mi6-chief-says-donald-10217616

Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?

Sorry mate - could you be a little more specific on what they denied - and what they are now ‘owning up to’?

That British Intelligence apparently gave the U.S. Intel they gained from surveillance of Trump Staff/Russia ties. Sorry that wasn’t clear. This information was clearly available weeks ago here in the States and some people got tossed under the bus for even insinuating that British Intelligence had or shared any such Intel with the U.S… Now they’ve owned up to it after the fact.

Ah, right - I get you.

I thought the accusations from weeks ago were of British Intelligenece spying on Trump/ Trump Towers on behalf of the American Security Services? Whereas the news linked by me is of the British giving a heads-up to their US counterparts after trailing/spying on Russian counterparts and possible Russian agents - going back some time - and as to a pattern emerging over meetings with Trump’s people (along with article that has the ex-MI6 Chief thinking that Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to help keep his empire afloat around the time of the financial crisis in 2008(-ish)).

I think they are two very different things - and the British Services were correct in denying that were spying on Trump/Trump Towers on behalf of the US Services.

The US and Brits, along with other allies often keep each other abreast of information and goings on (though likely keep the really interesting stuff from each other 😉)

Personally, I would not doubt the possibility of the U.K. doing the footwork for the U.S. overseas like this. Admitting it would be a far different matter of course.

http://rare.us/rare-politics/so-was-judge-andrew-napolitano-right-all-along-about-obama-and-the-brits-spying-on-trump/

It’s a possibility - though quite unlikely given the size of the UK security services these days - due to the cuts they have suffered over the past few years. It’s more likely we’d be getting more of our info ‘2nd hand’ from the US and our other allies than before - and concentrating our resources more on anti-terror (Middle East & North Africa) and the Russians.

I doubt we even spy on the US and other allies much these days…

Anyway, the rare.us article is stretching at best - and ignores the fact that it was the UK spying on the Russians that incidentally came up with a pattern of meetings by Trump’s people with those Russians - to which the US Security Services (along with our other European allies) was tipped off about. There is no proof in that story of anything apart from some very loose conjecture to try and give some semblance of credence (in the form of a question in the editorial title) to what Judge Andrew Napolitano mistakenly stated and inferred ‘from his source’ that we were spying on Trump (for ourselves or for the US).

If this is all we’re talking about, GCHQ denied what Judge Napolitano said simply because it was flat-out wrong. Not only wrong, but so outrageously wrong it would have been a treaty violation if true, which is why there was the raft of apologies afterwards. It wasn’t merely a matter of some talking head making shit up–it was a diplomatic incident. I’m sad to see some people (rare.us) insist on pursuing the imaginary storyline even now that the evidence proving it false is out there for everyone to see.

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#1065787
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Both Clinton and Trump went through entertaining contortions to seem like they were against the Iraq invasion. Clinton claimed “she voted for leverage, not war”, while Trump said his real position wasn’t the pro-war one he said in public on tape, but was a secret private anti-war position he shared only with Bill O’Reilly. I think they were equally plausible stories (as in: not remotely), but I think a lot of Trump voters actually bought his line and thought he wouldn’t fight pointless wars.

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#1065779
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

‘British spies were first to spot Trump team’s links with Russia’:-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

&

GCHQ ‘told US security services about meetings between Donald Trump’s team and Russia’:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/13/ex-british-spy-chief-sir-richard-dearlove-suggests-donald-trump/

&

‘Ex-MI6 chief says Donald Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to keep his empire afloat’:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ex-mi6-chief-says-donald-10217616

Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?

It’s a general practice when dealing with classified information not to provide any information that could confirm or deny the existence of that classified information until that’s been cleared by higher-ups or lawyers, even when the press somehow got ahold of it to ask the question in the first place.

Frankly I think the common deny-first-and-then-discuss-when-cleared mentality seems very Soviet-ish, and can lead to the sort of dust-up we see around Rice, etc. The more appropriate method would be the “I can neither confirm nor deny” response, which, yes, sounds like Reaganite Plausible Deniability Newspeak, but at least it’s technically true. Neither method breeds confidence, but then that’s secrecy for you.

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#1065775
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jetrell Fo said:

CatBus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Money and power have always been the basis of her rhetoric.

I think we’re all clear on what you think of Trump. There is a little wonderment, though, about what noises you may hear when Clinton moves her lips.

^Same could be said for you and the others.

At least in this case, I heard more or less the same thing coming from Clinton as you. It’s the thought that Trump is less of a warmonger hell-bent on money and power causing the head-scratching around here.

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#1065744
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Big bombs vs. little bombs is more than just a difference in quantity. There’s a quality difference as well. Little bombs need to be targeted or they’re useless-to-counterproductive. Big bombs, just hit the general area and run for cover. Huge bombs and there’s no such thing as targeting. You absolutely will hit unintended targets, and you just shrug and say oh well.

Now I’d agree with the criticism of our modern-day fascination with so-called smart bombs. Your bombs that drop down air ducts in a building and pop out over the targeted toilet. The problem with smart bombs isn’t the tech itself, which works well enough, so much as the application. It used to be nobody would use ordinance like that in a city environment, because it’s crazy to do that. You have to send in ground troops, there’s just no other way. But now to avoid casualties on our end, they throw “smart” ordinance into a totally inappropriate urban setting, civilians are killed, but we claim innocence because we used the “smart” pixie dust to justify a really bad decision that absolutely did not seek to minimize civilian casualties.

The morality of it all, assuming you’re okay with the morality of war in general, really all boils down to civilians. You absolutely never target them. You minimize collateral damage through careful targeting. And you minimize war in general by using other means to resolve conflicts. And sometimes that’s still not enough, and war happens, and civilians die. We’ve been doing pretty badly on all fronts for a while, but I guess there’s something particularly awful about not even pretending to try.

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#1065623
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Basically it’s a non-nuclear nuke, about 1/1000 of the Hiroshima bomb, which is to say still effing huge. The biggest conventional bomb ever developed, created during the Gulf War but never used (specifically because of the high risk of civilian casualities). Bigger than the Daisycutter by a lot.

It’s taking advantage of that fact that people in general are more accepting of weapons that simply cannot be used in a way that safeguards civilians, if they’re not nuclear/biological/chemical. People generally agree Hiroshima was bad, but nobody even knows what happened in Dresden, that sort of thing. It’s like getting people to notice cluster bombs and landmines really hurt civilians more than combatants and getting more than a shrug.

But it’s a very big boom. Like all WMDs, it compensates for other policy inadequacies. It terrifies the locals. And it sends a message: we don’t give a damn about any of you people, and we don’t care to find out if you’re against us or not. We’ll kill you first and call you a terrorist later. And the dead are harder to find/identify afterward than after, say, a sarin attack, so it’s better PR, as WMD attacks go.

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#1065303
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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CatBus said:

Wow, maybe Obamacare will blow up after all:

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8329215/Joint_CSR_Letter_to_President_Trump_04.12.2017.0.pdf

The question is, is there any way to maintain this level of negligence without looking like you were trying to sabotage the marketplace. I suspect the “plausible” half of “plausible deniability” is already off the table.

EDIT: The US Chamber of Commerce of all people is begging them to do their jobs, for goodness sakes!

Oh silly me, thinking that sabotaging access to healthcare for millions through negligence would be the sort of thing you’d want to hide, not gloat about. I was taking that “faithfully execute” part of the oath of office so literally:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/trump-i-may-sabotage-obamacare-until-democrats-repeal-it.html

Nice health care system you got there. It’d be a shame if something were to happen to it.

The thing is, for this particular grift to work, he will still need to propose a replacement plan that kicks fewer people off healthcare than he would kick off through market sabotage, and I haven’t seen any indications anything like that’s even being considered–so in that sense, it’s more of a spite move than actual leverage (which doesn’t make it less plausible, I’m afraid). But if the goal is simply to retake control of the headlines for a while, I’d say it’s a better plan than forgetting that the Holocaust happened, or hiring even more white supremacists.

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#1065117
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Wow, maybe Obamacare will blow up after all:

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8329215/Joint_CSR_Letter_to_President_Trump_04.12.2017.0.pdf

The question is, is there any way to maintain this level of negligence without looking like you were trying to sabotage the marketplace. I suspect the “plausible” half of “plausible deniability” is already off the table.

EDIT: The US Chamber of Commerce of all people is begging them to do their jobs, for goodness sakes!

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#1065038
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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For those hoping Bannon is just an exception, or that the white supremacist faction is somehow losing influence in the Bannon-Kushner drama, I have some bad news. Jon Feere and Julie Kirschner have both been tapped for high-level advisory positions within DHS. They both have significant history with and membership in white-supremacist-linked hate groups (CIS and FAIR, specifically).

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#1065015
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

This seems like kind of a big deal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-obtained-fisa-warrant-to-monitor-former-trump-adviser-carter-page/2017/04/11/620192ea-1e0e-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_page710pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.db9a05bc85f7

The FBI obtained a secret court order last summer to monitor the communications of an adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, part of an investigation into possible links between Russia and the campaign, law enforcement and other U.S. officials said.

The FBI and the Justice Department obtained the warrant targeting Carter Page’s communications after convincing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, in this case Russia, according to the officials.

This is the clearest evidence so far that the FBI had reason to believe during the 2016 presidential campaign that a Trump campaign adviser was in touch with Russian agents. Such contacts are now at the center of an investigation into whether the campaign coordinated with the Russian government to swing the election in Trump’s favor.

President Trump has been lying all along don’tcha know. There were no names to unmask because this didn’t happen.

😉

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/11/carter-page-fbi-reportedly-obtained-fisa-warrant-to-monitor-ex-trump-adviser.html

Bye bye fake Russian narrative … 😃

Decent analysis here:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a54457/carter-page-fisa-warrant-fbi/

The question of “who leaked this?” is actually pretty salient. There’s no doubt this has been a leaky administration with a leaky congress, but the leaks have generally been selected to support their narrative. This one, though? It actively and brutally undermines several administration narratives simultaneously: that Obama ordered surveillance rather than letting law enforcement follow their own legal procedures (this leak supports the latter), and that there’s nothing to the Russia story, rather then enough to convince a court (twice) that not only was there probable cause that a crime was committed, but also that the target was acting as an agent of a foreign government (this leak supports the latter in surprising detail).

Unfortunately, there’s no shortage of conspiracy theories that this can’t still be worked into, as I’m sure it will. It could easily still be pinned on the Illuminati Elders of Zion Secret Obama Shadow World Government Run From a Surfboard in Hawaii That’s Linked via HAARP Signals to His Underground Volcano Lair and His Bald Cat.

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#1064803
Topic
Should the Prequels be more included into the franchise going forward?
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SilverWook said:

CatBus said:

SilverWook said:

Where was it said non Jedi ever used sabers?

Han beat a dead Tauntaun with one, and considered slicing up a net with one (which is really all your average person could accomplish today with a cutlass). And if you’re including the ST, Finn actually fought with one.

Historically speaking as opposed to carrying another type of laser weapon. If laser swords are all the galaxy had as hand weaponry “for a thousand generations”, then technological development in the Star Wars universe took a very strange path.
The Jedi are supposed to be like Samurai. They probably had swords with physical blades early in their history.

I’d always pictured the Jedi as kinda like engineers who still use sliderules. There is no doubt that sliderules are cool (in an engineering sense). There is no doubt that they can be used to solve a surprisingly wide array of today’s problems quickly and efficiently in the hands of someone who knows how to use them–skilled sliderule users easily besting casual calculator users both in speed and accuracy. But they are still ultimately a technological dead end (somehow I predict this will be my most controversial statement; some people really love their sliderules).

So Obi-Wan and Luke use sliderules after everyone has calculators, computers, and smartphones. The Jedi who defended the Republic for a thousand years did so with sliderules, even though the Republic also had calculators, computers, and maybe even smartphones. I didn’t take the thousand years statement to mean the progress of technology was slow, but that the Jedi had been around, presumably with with their idiosyncratic tech, for quite a while. And they’re proud of it. It’s possible there was a time before blasters when lightsabers were standard issue weapons for everyone. It’s also possible lightsabers were a custom-created ego project by some Jedi who really liked swords, and they were never actually top-tier weaponry. But that’s going back before there are any references I’d care to use.

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#1064749
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Should the Prequels be more included into the franchise going forward?
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DominicCobb said:

Remember the black stormtrooper outrage? That was because a lot of people though stormtroopers were clones because of the prequels.

Hm. I’m thinking maybe it has a little more in common with the female heroine outrage than you’re letting on, but that’s another topic.

Frankly prequel fans are used to the Star Wars universe not making any sense. Leaving out prequel references when they could be inserted couldn’t possibly be more disruptive than the prequels themselves.

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#1064730
Topic
Should the Prequels be more included into the franchise going forward?
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DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

DominicCobb said:

There’s literally nothing we’re told about clones that preclude them from still being around or even just a possibility.

Other than that they were once common enough to fight a war over, and nowhere to be found today. Agreed that there’s a chance they may have all collectively decided to do a post-war retreat to Ceti Alpha V and not sign the required release forms allowing them to appear in any films. Same probability as there might really have been a Battle of Wigglypants, or that Vader has a third arm you never see because it’s under his cape. Not mathematically impossible.

Again, it’s a big galaxy.

It’s a big cape.

That’s a completely reasonable assumption to make but it is not the only possibility.

I’m just saving this for later.

Going back, your Alderaan analogy doesn’t really make sense at all.

There’s two cities named Portland, there can’t be two planets named Alderaan?

We see pretty much all of Vader so it’d be pretty silly to say he has a third arm

We never see what’s under the cape. It could also be a second mouth, or a third ear. I’m starting to wonder about wings.

the filmmakers shouldn’t feel beholden to the random assumptions of fans on the internet.

I think working with the completely reasonable assumptions is okay, though. Also, keep in mind through this discussion–Switching around Luke’s father advanced a plot point. Switching around Luke’s sister advanced a plot point. Something was gained in trade for the something that was lost. These things? Throwaway lines, as you said. Nothing was gained in exchange for the dissonance–which I’m freely admitting you did not feel.

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#1064716
Topic
Should the Prequels be more included into the franchise going forward?
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DominicCobb said:

There’s literally nothing we’re told about clones that preclude them from still being around or even just a possibility.

Other than that they were once common enough to fight a war over, and nowhere to be found today. Agreed that there’s a chance they may have all collectively decided to do a post-war retreat to Ceti Alpha V and not sign the required release forms allowing them to appear in any films. Same probability as there might really have been a Battle of Wigglypants, or that Vader has a third arm you never see because it’s under his cape. Not mathematically impossible.

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#1064634
Topic
Should the Prequels be more included into the franchise going forward?
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DominicCobb said:

Anyway, even if it was as extinct as lightsabers and such, what’s to stop Kylo Ren from considering bringing it back? If he already has a lightsaber, why not a clone army?

I was operating under the assumption that people don’t stop doing things without reason. They clearly stopped making lightsabers because blasters were simply more effective, albeit less elegant (from the available evidence, I have to agree with Han on that score). They stopped cloning for less clear reasons, but there was a war over it, and it’s safe to assume that the clones were on the losing side because none are around by Star Wars, so maybe the clones just didn’t live up to their military potential. In my mind, clones and lightsabers both represent the technological dead ends of the distant past, long since surpassed, with nothing but their nostalgic glow keeping them worth talking about–and that’s at the beginning of Star Wars, let alone three films later.

And yes, Luke can take out a whole sail barge full of blaster-wielding opponents with his lightsaber. But I doubt a lightsaber in the hands of a non-Jedi would be very effective (your three foot range will eventually bite you), and I suspect a Jedi who gave up lightsabers and set his mind to mastering the blaster would be formidable, if considerably less cool-looking. And how many spaceships were outfitted with lightsabers vs blasters? Blasters won the day, long ago. Lightsabers only get points for style.