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Will the epic force ghost ending be updated in any way based on jon_h’s recent progress? 😃

Do you plan on changing the colour palette based on the recent change for the Disney+ release? 😃

Hal 9000 said:

…yeah?

I didn’t know that! 😱

Hold on a moment, HAL… is your Vimeo name actually “Kirk Shelton”? 😱

sherlockpotter said:

Something I’ve been thinking about, based on RogueLeader’s idea for Rey to receive a vision of the Death Star when she picks up the dagger on Kylo’s ship…

It feels (to me, at least) to be the perfect moment to reveal Palpatine’s return structurally (“structurally” as in, at this point of the movie - about a third to halfway through the film). It would mean that the stakes for the film are allowed to grow naturally as it progresses - we’d have been told about the Sith Fleet ahead of time, but now we know how the Fleet came to be. It’s not just introducing some dumb power spike (like “planet-destroying Star Destroyers”) that’s never relevant to the film again; it’s a raising of the stakes that actually has relevance, and changes the scope and urgency of the mission.

Plus, it makes Grandpa Palp’s return a legitimate twist, rather than a hasty retcon for the final film.

So, how would you go about doing it?

• In the Exegol opening, cut out most of Palpy’s dialogue. Maybe keep some vague line like “Come to me” (“Huh, what? Who said that? That sounded like Palpatine!”), or just replace the whole thing with Sith Whispers. Cut to black with a little music sting as Kylo walks off camera, to investigate Palpatine something. (“Ooh, what’s he looking at? What’s on Exegol?” Mystery, baby; that’s what.) Fade in on Rey.
• During the Resistance Intel Meeting, trim direct references to Palpatine. Focus on the discussions about the Sith Fleet on Exegol. “It’s gonna blow us all up if we don’t find it!”
• Rey tells Leia they have to find a way to find a Way-Finder (God, this movie…) in order to “Find Exegol. Find the Emperor.”
• Kylo Boardroom Meeting is fine. They just talk about the Sith Cultists, the Fleet, and a mysterious “he.” (Who’s “he,” you ask? It’s a mystery, baby!!)
• In the Pasaana Skype Call, replace Kylo’s line “Palpatine wants you dead” with the later “Wherever you are, you’re hard to find.” Or, heck, just have him stare at Rey menacingly. I don’t care.
• Move Kylo’s Palpatine conversation back to right before Endor. Or overdub the scene completely. Have Kylo talk to himself, something like, “Please, Rey. Join me. Let me find you.” Or even call back to TFA, say “Grandfather, help me find her.”
• Slot in a shot of the Emperor during Rey’s Dagger Vision, have his laugh linger in the air after the vision fades. She whispers a disbelieving “No…” in response.
• Replace Kylo’s next line with the previously swapped out “Palpatine wants you dead.”
• Re-add the scene of Palps raising the Sith Fleet out of the ground to right after Rey leaves Ahch-To. He’s preparing the Fleet to depart.

The rest of it should play out exactly the same, I’m pretty sure.

So, in summary, you’d get:

• A better structured sense of building stakes.
• A surprising, twist Emperor reveal that’s actually built towards and hinted at, rather than a quick, “Hello, boys! I’m baaaaaaack!” in the first five minutes.
• Gives Palpatine’s return more personal stakes to Rey, as she’s the one who discovers it…instead of Hux?
• Palpatine’s plan doesn’t contradict itself every other scene. (Kill her! Don’t kill her! Bring her to me! No, lure her here! Oh, she’s here anyway? Kill me! You won’t? Fine, kill her! No wait, I can just suck up her life force! Ha, I’m a genius!)
• The Sith Fleet rising is now an actual source of tension, and is a visual representation of the Fleet being ready to depart. (Shit Poe, you’ve gotta take them down now!) No more “Okay boys, you in place? Great. Just hang out here for 16 hours an arbitrary amount of time until I feel like launching the ships, cool? Maybe wait for like 20 minutes after the Resistance arrives. Then you can start leaving.”
• Have Rey say “No…” to something actually significant while holding the Dagger, instead of *checks notes* repeating an echo of a vision of a memory of herself that the knife reminded her of? (God, this movie…)

I know that we’re trying to incorporate the Dagger-Vision angle for Ascendant, which is the first piece to all of this; but this felt like one of those “dramatic changes” that Hal probably wouldn’t jump on right away - hence my suggesting it here. But you never know, Hal…

Oh, my God… this sounds… AMAZING!!! XD

Duo you still have it? 😃

A shame this never came to fruition, because the breakdown in the OP sounds really promising. 😃

Holy shit, we are nearing 600 pages of replies already! 😱

I know this is an old thread, but has anyone considered using what Harmy used for his Despecialized Editions of the OT to restore the missing footage? I’ve just been re-watching a twenty-minute documentary on the history of, and sources for, the DEs, and it is nothing short of extraordinary!

Have you considered borrowing footage from the Biomes short, HAL?

Has anyone here considered documenting the Sequel Trilogy deleted scenes? 😃

207 mins?! 😱

Hal 9000 said:

Just be myself and I get a thank you? Easy work! ^^

I just noticed my name in the “Thank You” list. What could I have possibly done to merit such appraisal? 😱

Wait, hold on a second…

“Nien Nunb”? “Nien Nunb”!?! What kind of stupid name is that?!? XD

All in all, this project is taking a major turn for the best. When can we expect the next version to drop, HAL? 😃

Looking forward to these, dude! ^^

This looks like an ambitious alteration of the Expanded Edition so far. How will you handle Finn’s suicide run in particular?

Ronster said:

In terms of making an Ultimate Cut of FOTR what would you change to make it better match the other 2 films?

To me Aside from the Aragorn & Arwen plot mess that was created here are a few thoughts.

To me I don’t mind the shots of Gollum in FOTR too much but there is a part of me that would desire to see the old design in all shots but one and I really wish to replace the close up…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFsv7e01UCY

I would probably vouch for a a shot of the rocks without Gollum (still of previous scene) on “the ring has brought him here” and a recap of the ring bouncing away from Gollum from the prologue on the rest of the dialogue to cover the very clearly different design totally omitting that designs presence as all the rest are acceptable.

There is a part in the Prologue where the map burns a bit then disolves to Urukhai burning the westfold from film 2… Whilst not a serious issue such as the Gollum design this also feels like simply having flames engulfing the map would have sufficed and almost implies Uruks were already around before when they were not so it’s sort of a small thing but I don’t like Uruks in the prologue.

Thirdly there is a few of effects shots in the trailer one of Aragorn when he throws the torch at the Nazgul on weathertop has a flame effect at camera wich is better and when Gandalf slams his staff there is a bright light flash effect also from the trailers when Frodo puts on the ring there are numerous flash effects when he wants to put it on not when the ring has it’s way at the prancing pony though. Use the shot from TTT in prancing pony of the ring from Galadriels monologue to replace the shot of the ring on a pure black background (no context).

The shot of the elf Ruins at Hollin which look better in the trailer / tv spot I would either find alternate landscape shots and replace as the trailer version is not in it’s entirety of the film version plus without the dialogue and meaning and talk the actual ruin is pretty redundant as Gandalf and legolass conversation is removed or if it becomes available might be worth re-instating.

Add Black Blood Splurts / splashes effects when orcs and trolls get hacked at.

Cropping things out could be employed to fix issues such as the Black Rider only visible one side of the tree as the hobbits hide on the road as he rides in and Boromir’s Hand on Aragors shoulder before he passes away and Boromirs arrow that falls out accidently on a fighting scene.

The Three Daggers given at Weathertop is an out of nowhere moment and there is no fix, unless we see the Hobbits looting the store inside the fortress ruins. The Barrow Whites and weathertop were meant to be paired down.

Adding the Green Puss to Frodos face digitaly whilst Arwen get’s rid of the Nazgul and flip shots back that are flopped.

Sting stops glowing in a few shots in Balins Tomb which would be a cool fix.

Any other Visual Fixes?

I don’t see too much wrong

Gandalfs prologue with restored music cue over Saurons appearance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAQSEVbBOVQ

I Don’t mind Gandalf Narrating the intro but don’t care for it to be changed just observe the music cue when Sauron shows up until Isildur is smashed against the rock wall, also note towards the end of the video the narration over Boromirs arrival at Rivendell. I find this quite important and should be in the film with Gandalf as Narrator introducing Boromir. Bear in mind if Gandalf had of narrated the prologue it would have been at bag end and not a prologue at all.

A newly found TTT deleted scene

https://youtu.be/GgV9B9g19eo?list=PL8dQ2P2JZXXtuAq4klRO60HvIZQdzJhWb&t=2324

Although you can only hear the Audio in this clip and some footage is available the dialogue from Saruman in the clip suggests a returning Uruk is thrown to the warg pit for failing to get the ring the shadows on the wall are of the Wargs devouring the Uruk. We then have a line about wormtoungue will get his revengue upon Theoden and Sarumen will have revenge upon the world of men. Basically “send out your Warg riders” could be an insert and there is a clear jump cut in this part of the film or it had a large chunk removed.

The Third Age game also contains many narrative lines Spoken by Gandalf most of which were recoreded for the game some which were already done for the film It is hard to know what exactly what is from the film, but there is a part about Dwarves and their friendship amongst some history of the mines of moria which is fairly world building and may well be omitted narration, but cannot confirm this.

Sauron “There is no Light in the Void…”

https://youtu.be/aShluZf5DdY?list=PL8dQ2P2JZXXtuAq4klRO60HvIZQdzJhWb&t=1327

Those sound like amazing suggestions, dude! Let’s keep our fingers crossed and hope WarnerMedia and MGM make it happen someday! 🤞

Might I asked how the OP obtained this much information?

I know this thread is nearly four years old now, but is there an LUT for this release? It might come in handy for a BvS fan edit of my own sometime in the near future. 😉

Fucking Pokémon, dude?!? 😱

Why would you tone down the violence? Isn’t that what Godzilla is renowned for?

Just one last thing: I was expecting the Knights of Ren to utter, “May our bond never again be shattered,” or something along those lines. 🤔

I still enjoyed the inclusion of their dialogue, though. 😃

I just realised something, if Rey confesses to Finn and Poe, “You know I want to be out there with you!”, why is it a few scenes later she’s suddenly all like, “no its 2 bloody dangerous Finn”? 🤔