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Justice League: World Without Hope

Thought I’d take a break from my Batman Forever Noir edit to talk about my idea for a Justice League re-edit.

It’s called Justice League: World Without Hope. The basic premise: Superman is the symbol of hope. And a world without Superman is a world without hope.

The main goal for this edit is a simple one: darken and serious-ify (Thanks, Dixon!) the film to fit the characterisation entablished in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, thus making it a worthy end to the Zack Snyder trilogy.

A changelog will be posted soon. Please feel free to leave any suggestions and ideas in the comments below! ^^

Goldeneye Workprint

dwalkerdon23 said:

CamSMurph said:

What an interesting thread. I am aware this workprint includes the original shot of Alec being shot in the head during the prologue.

they had to trim that shot because the MPAA would have given Goldeneye an R Rating. Screw the MPAA!!! This also happened with the Decompression Chamber Scene in License To Kill upon it’s release in 1989 , but fortunately it was restored on the Ultimate Edition DVD and the BD!!

I know how you feel, mate.

The Official Forever Noir Thread!

screams in the void said:

all but the last one worked .I like the black and white noir look , also reminds me of Metropolis wwith the city scapes . some of the goofiness of the theatrical version still comes through though .If It were me doing this edit , I would completely change the musical score to something more ominous and dark to help balance it out more

That’s exactly what I’m going to do. I’ll be using Elfman and Zimmer tracks as the new soudntrack, with additional compositions by James Newton Howard and Tom Holkenborg a.k.a. Junkie XL. I just need some advice on which tracks would be most fitting to certain scenes. Any at all would be greatly appreciated. 😃

The Official Forever Noir Thread!

stickydixon said:

screams in the void said:

password for viewing the clips ? looks very interesting , and I like how you are toning down the character of Two Face . They made him seem too much like the Joker in the theatrical release and the character was never meant to be that goofy .

Agreed, Password!

Right then! ^^

Clip #1 - forever
Clip #2 - two-face
Clip #3 - chase
Clip #4 - team-up

I hope I’m not wrong. 😃

Batman Returns: De-Bizzarified

Watching your cut right now, and so far it’s your crowning achievement of awesome! The way you edited around the opening scene, Penguin biting the guy’s nose, Selina’s resurrection and Batman finding Shreck’s corpse is seamless in many ways! Well done! 😄

Plus, it’s nearing October, which means we’ll be seeing an update on Batman Forever: The Tim Burton Cut shortly! And maybe, just maybe, you could think over your doing an “editor’s cut” of BF. 😃

Overall, I give your edit a 9/10. Keep it up! ^^

The Official Forever Noir Thread!

Right, so after a couple of red herrings involving my earlier threads, I’ve finally decided to make a new, official thread for my much-anticipated Forever Noir edit. Here goes nothing!

INTENTION: Present Batman Forever in a whole new light: classic Film Noir.


  • 720p HD quality
  • 1.85:1 aspect ratio
  • 5.1 surround sound


  • DVDFab 10
  • VEGAS Pro 16
  • Adobe Audition CC or Audacity


  • Presented entirely in B/W
  • Original timeline restored
  • Deleted footage reinserted
  • Cheese factor lowered
  • New musical score


  • Added 1950s B/W Warner Bros. Pictures logo
  • Added new animated Bat symbol transition, akin to Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight trilogy
  • Added deleted Arkham Asylum prologue, with new SFX and OST
  • Added subtitle during Wayne Enterprises establishing shot, informing the viewer on how much time has passed since Two-Face’s escape from Arkham
  • Added Edward working on his invention from U2’s music video
  • Added Edward’s “…in the flesh!” from trailer #1
  • Removed Edward’s “I have it” and “Ah?”
  • Added deleted shot of the tunnel and extended conversation between Bruce and Alfred from trailer #1
  • Added extended shot of Batman’s glove from trailer #1
  • Added Batman putting on his cowl from Batman & Robin
  • Added deleted shot of the Batsuit from trailer #1
  • Removed shot of Batman putting on his boot
  • Replaced Batman and Alfred’s “drive-thru” exchange with Alfred’s “Do try and bring this one back in one piece, sir!” from B&R
  • Added extended shot of the Batmobile igniting from trailer #1
  • Removed Two-Face’s “Why, why, why, why, whyyy?”, “LUCK! Blind, stupid, simple, doo-dah, clueless LUCK!”, “…for you!” and “Or, in your case, beer and pizza!”, along with his laughs and cackles
  • Added Batman leaping off a building from OnStar’s ‘Leap’ spot
  • Replaced Chase’s “Hot entrance” with a reused shot of Commissioner Gordon
  • Removed Batman’s “Insightful. Naive, but insightful.”
  • Replaced Chase’s “Not every girl makes a superhero’s knight table” with a reverse shot of Batman turning to Gordon
  • Removed Chase’s “Really? I didn’t know that. You are interesting. And call me Chase.”
  • Added deleted shot of the crowd looking up from trailer #1
  • Removed Chase’s “By the way, do you have a first name, or do I just call you Bats?”
  • Added tracking shot of Gotham City Bank from OnStar’s ‘Riddler’ spot
  • Removed Two-Face’s “LET’S START THIS PARTY WITH A BANG!” and the wrecking ball coming in
  • Added extended “BLAST HIM!” take from trailer #1
  • Added deleted shot of Two-Face dancing from Seal’s music video
  • Removed Two-Face’s “Open sesame.”
  • Added alternate angles of Batman knocking down the thugs and his one-liner “Going down?” from trailer #1
  • Added alternate take of Batman throwing the thug behind him to the floor from trailer #1
  • Added alternate angles of Batman grabbing the thug from the elevator shaft and throwing him against another from trailer #1
  • Added alternate angle of Batman discovering the guard gagged and bound inside the vault from trailer #1
  • Added Two-Face flipping his coin in the helicopter from U2’s music video
  • Removed the guard’s “Oh, no!”
  • Removed Two-Face cackling midway through his speech in the helicopter
  • Removed the guard’s “Oh, no! It’s boiling acid!”
  • Removed the lines “No!”, “Hold on” and “Yes!”
  • Removed the guard’s “Hey, that’s my hearing aid!”, “Wow, my shoes are melting!” and “Ohh, no more!”
  • Removed Two-Face rage-quitting over Batman escaping the vault
  • Added alternate angle of Batman aiming his Batclaw from trailer #1
  • Removed the guard’s reaction shot on the falling vault
  • Added Two-Face’s “If the Bat wants to play, we’ll play!” from trailer #1
  • Added alternate angle of the helicopter crashing through the Ocu-wash sign from Seal’s music video
  • Removed Two-Face’s “Farewell forever to that pointy-eared night rat!”
  • Added a blood effect when Two-Face guns down the helicopter pilot
  • Added alternate angles of Batman punching through the helicopter window from trailer #1
  • Added bits of the extended helicopter fight sequence, particularly those without the stuntman’s voice
  • Added two deleted shots of Batman in the helicopter from U2’s music video
  • Added a new flashback sequence when Batman lands in the ocean, as called for in the original production screenplay
  • Removed Edward’s “Okay… now I’ve got it!”, along with his yelps and shrieks
  • Removed Edward’s “Caffeine’ll kill ya!”
  • Muted the violin sound effect when Edward wakes Stickley up
  • Removed Edward’s “Which one, this?”
  • Added extended shot of Edward pulling the lever and his deleted reaction shot from trailer #1
  • Removed the entire “game show host” bit, as well as the Top Hat parody song
  • Removed Edward’s “What a rush!”, “Huh!” and “Hang on!”
  • Added a new scream when Stickley falls to his death
  • Removed Edward’s “Surf’s up, big Kahuna!” and “Ooh! Nice form, but a little rough on the landing. He may have to settle for the bronze.”
  • Added a new nightmare sequence, using a shot of Bruce waking up from U2’s music video
  • Rearranged “Once Gotham’s district attorney…” to cue before “Harvey Dent…”
  • Removed Edward’s “Th-the memories…”
  • Removed Gordon’s “Yep, definitely suicide.”
  • Rescored the scene in Edward’s apartment to remove the song “Bad Days” by The Flaming Lips
  • Removed Edward’s “Wayne Manor…” and “Hmph!”
  • Removed Bruce asking where Chase’s office is
  • Removed Bruce’s “I have an appointment. I’m Bruce Wayne.”
  • Added alternate shots of the circus performers
  • Removed Gossip Gerty interviewing Bruce at the circus
  • Removed Bruce asking Chase out on a rock climbing trip
  • Removed all shots of Edward watching the circus raid in his apartment (debatable)
  • Added BTS footage of Two-Face shooting an innocent clown (blood effect included)
  • Shortened Bruce’s “HARVEY! I’M BATMAN!” to “HARVEY!”
  • Muted Two-Face cackling after his line “Go to work, boys!”
  • Removed shot of Grayson’s family trying to grab the bomb
  • Rescored the death of the Flying Graysons with new music that drowns out all sound, for dramatic effect
  • Added Batman '89 footage to the flashback sequence
  • Moved “Robin will fly again” to play after the rooftop scene
  • Added deleted shot of the Batmobile driving from trailer #1
  • Shortened Chase’s “Last night at the bank, I noticed something about Two-Face” to “Last night, I noticed something about Two-Face.”
  • Removed Batman’s “The Batsignal is not a beeper” and “It’s the car, right? Chicks love the car.”
  • Removed Chase’s “Black rubber…”
  • Added alternate shot of Batman gliding down to the Batmobile from trailer #1
  • Removed Batman’s “Women.”
  • Removed entire car chase sequence
  • Added exterior shot of Wayne Manor at daytime from B&R, along with a subtitle reading “THE NEXT DAY”
  • Added “Dick’s pain” deleted scene, with new OST and SFX
  • Removed Edward’s “Question Mark Man?”
  • Added Two-Face’s alternate “Who the hell are you?”
  • Removed the Riddler’s “KILL THE BAT! Sounds like a good idea” and “Wet hands… Post-homicidal depression… Why not humiliate him first? Expose his frailties. And then when he’s at he’s at his weakest… CRUSH HIM!”
  • Removed the Riddler commenting on Two-Face’s lair and testing out his invention on Sugar and Spice
  • Added the “Beauty and the Batman” deleted scene, trimmed to end before the ladies start laughing at Batman
  • Removed the whole “Show me how to punch a guy!” scene
  • Removed Bruce and Alfred examining the third riddle
  • Removed Two-Face and the Riddler taking hits from the Box
  • Muted Dick’s “Now!”
  • Reversed footage of the Batcave turning on
  • Removed exterior shot of Alfred staring at Dick
  • Removed Chase’s “Rage, violence, passion…”
  • Removed Dick’s joyride in the Batmobile and him talking to the R&B girls
  • Removed Dick pretending to be Batman and him kissing the teenage girl after fighting the neon gang
  • Added cameos by the Red Triangle Circus Gang, the Penguin and Catwoman from Batman Returns during Bruce’s ‘terrible morning’ speech
  • Added the Joker’s laugh from B89 after Dick’s “Your family wasn’t killed by a maniac!”
  • Added U2’s “Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me” during the Nygmatech party
  • Removed Edward’s “The future!”, “No, no, no, NOOO!” and “Be calm, everybody! Just be calm!”
  • Muted Dick’s “Excuse me!”
  • Added alternate angles of Batman crashing through the skylight window and jumping on Two-Face’s men from trailer #1
  • Removed the “BATMAN! YEAH!” guy
  • Added alternate angle of Batman punching the thug in front of him and extended “The difference? Showmanship” take from trailer #1
  • Removed Indiana Jones-esque fight
  • Muted the thug’s weird-sounding laughter as he advances on Chase
  • Removed Chase and Batman’s kiss and Chase’s “My place, midnight.”
  • Added deleted shot of Batman climbing the balcony
  • Replaced Two-Face’s kiss to Batman with footage of police cars driving to the disturbance from B&R
  • Removed Two-Face dancing as Batman is engulfed in flames
  • Added extra flashback sequence when Batman is buried in sand
  • Removed Dick trying to think of a name for his superhero alter-ego
  • Added “Bruce’s dilemma” deleted scene, with new SFX and OST (includes footage of the rooftop fight from Returns)
  • Removed the lines “They want me to retire, Alfred”, “I’ve never been in love before, Alfred” and “Go to her. Tell her how you feel.”
  • Removed Batman’s smile
  • Refined the “Bats on the Brain” scene
  • Removed the entire “Batman is no more” scene
  • Moved the trick-or-treaters to after Bruce and Chase’s conversation
  • Removed Two-Face and the Riddler posing as trick-or-treaters
  • Removed the Riddler’s “Sssspank me!”
  • Removed Two-Face repeatedly flipping his coin
  • Added alternate shot of the Riddler skipping along with his tiny bombs from trailer #1
  • Removed the baseball gag and crotch grab
  • Removed the Riddler destroying the Batmobile
  • Shortened Two-Face cackling after his last coin flip
  • Added a blood effect for Bruce being shot in the head
  • Removed Two-Face running up to Bruce and laughing with the Riddler
  • Added Vicki Vale’s “I just gotta know, are we gonna try and love each other?” from B89, Selina Kyle’s “Sickos never scare me. At least they’re committed” and “I just couldn’t live with myself, so don’t pretend this is a happy ending!” from Returns and Chase’s “I wanna get close, but you won’t let me near. What are you protecting me from?” from earlier in the film, which brings us to…
  • …the iconic “Secret of the Batcave” deleted scene, recut as Bruce’s nightmare while he’s unconscious
  • Removed the entire “old habits die hard” exchange after Bruce wakes up
  • Muted the lines “Who the hell’s doing that?!” and “The Riddler!”
  • Muted Alfred’s “You really are quite bright as tightwad people say.”
  • Removed the infamous batarse (in its place is a shot of Batgirl’s cape dropping from B&R)
  • Removed Batman’s “Who’s your tailor?”
  • Removed Two-Face and the Riddler playing Battleship
  • Removed Robin’s stunt double
  • Added deleted shot of the Batwing crashing into the ocean from trailer #2
  • Removed the Riddler’s “I hope they can find the little black box!”
  • Added deleted shot of Robin on Claw Island from trailer #1
  • Removed Two-Face’s “And ME!”
  • Reduced Two-Face’s antics in the Riddler’s lair
  • Removed the Riddler’s “Was that over the top? I can never tell!” and “Bummer!”
  • Added shot of Arkham’s “Criminal Property Lockup” from B&R
  • Removed Edward’s “I can’t tell you if you don’t say please.”
  • Added “Does it ever end?” deleted scene, followed by a new ending featuring a shot of the Batmobile driving up to the police station to meet Chase
  • Added memoriam end card dedicated to the late Pat Hingle and Michael Gough
  • Added new end credit scroll, made using Endcrawl
  • Added new “Distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures” end card


  • Batman Forever (1995) Blu-ray
  • Batman Forever (1995) Deleted Scenes
  • Batman (1989) Blu-ray
  • Batman Returns (1992) Blu-ray
  • Theatrical trailers
  • U2’s “Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me” music video
  • Seal’s “Kiss From a Rose” music video
  • Riddle Me This: Why is Batman Forever?

PREVIEW CLIPS: (Edward Nygma introduction) (Two-Face introduction) (Rooftop meeting) (Riddler/Two-Face team up) (Two-Face’s introduction, rescored with “Selina Transforms Part II” from Batman Returns)


  1. forever
  2. two-face
  3. chase
  4. batman

'Nuff said.