CSchmidlapp

PDB said:

CSchmidlapp said:

DoomBot said:

Youtube video blocked already, damn

 Damn, will look for alternatives later and re-link.

Anybody know any that are good and HD?

Vimeo is an option but has a upload cap on free acounts.

 Try dailymotion like the Team Negative guys. I'm really excited to see the results.

I've never heard of RE vision but now you have my curiosity. How well did it work color matching?

It's pretty close for shots that match exactly. The problem lies with the blu ray as it's clipped in the Light and Dark areas, and having to compensate for that can be tricky.

I did manage to match some of the shots by eye, but the colour pallet is so different! Its a correct a shot environment at a time type. This match plug in saved me alot of time. 

Ill look at Dailymotion.

jero32 said:

CSchmidlapp said:

Here are some colour correction tests Ive been playing around with very quick.
First Ive cleaned up the Edge Enhancement with a AVIsynth plug in called BlindDeHalo3 on default settings.
I rendered to a 1920x1080p 4:2:2 UT loss-less codec .avi
I'm editing in Adobe Premiere and used a plugin called RE Match from RE Vision, then doing the best i can to match the source with a bit of secondary colour correction.
I used the Trailers and T.V spots as source's, and where there was not a shot for the scene, I picked a similar environment.
It is a work in progress and just a proof of concept.

http://youtu.be/GFgcxiL_rd0

Whats interesting is it's adding in what many restorations try to correct a huge green tint! the 35mm screen shots (post 26), seem to back this up that this is so.
This video was corrected from a still frame, here is the prologue as I could match every frame.

http://youtu.be/4NMkwWUN1mY

The original Blu ray is clipped in the Dark and Light areas, so any correction is not going to be perfect.

Ive ordered the Ultimate Box-set for the IMAX scenes on Disc 6. it also contains a more recent documentary produced for this release and should contain clips from the TDK, which will be worth a look see.

Just a side note the clips look better (A lot more detail) on my P.C than playing on my PS3 (Crushed Blacks, to much contrast.) through the same T.V.

 Might wanna turn expanded color space and superwhite on on the ps3.

 Cheers.

DoomBot said:

Youtube video blocked already, damn

 Damn, will look for alternatives later and re-link.

Anybody know any that are good and HD?

Vimeo is an option but has a upload cap on free acounts.

Here are some colour correction tests Ive been playing around with very quick.
First Ive cleaned up the Edge Enhancement with a AVIsynth plug in called BlindDeHalo3 on default settings.
I rendered to a 1920x1080p 4:2:2 UT loss-less codec .avi
I'm editing in Adobe Premiere and used a plugin called RE Match from RE Vision, then doing the best i can to match the source with a bit of secondary colour correction.
I used the Trailers and T.V spots as source's, and where there was not a shot for the scene, I picked a similar environment.
It is a work in progress and just a proof of concept.

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Whats interesting is it's adding in what many restorations try to correct a huge green tint! the 35mm screen shots (post 26), seem to back this up that this is so.
This video was corrected from a still frame, here is the prologue as I could match every frame.

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The original Blu ray is clipped in the Dark and Light areas, so any correction is not going to be perfect.

Ive ordered the Ultimate Box-set for the IMAX scenes on Disc 6. it also contains a more recent documentary produced for this release and should contain clips from the TDK, which will be worth a look see.

Just a side note the clips look better (A lot more detail) on my P.C than playing on my PS3 (Crushed Blacks, to much contrast.) through the same T.V.

budwhite said:

I think there was lenghty threads on avsforum for both Dark knight movies about the color etc

 Is it the Thread already linked to earlier?

budwhite said:

I think there was lenghty threads on avsforum for both Dark knight movies about the color etc

 Cheers, will have a look.

rockin said:

I really love the original colours of the BB TDK prologue. The iTunes trailer looks similar.

One thing that is odd is the TDKR colour timing is closer to the original BB TDK prologue...

I agree, the BB TDK prologue is more pleasing to my eyes and does seem to match TDKR.

The colour detail differences in the make up on Joker's face in the screen shots look great, with the blu seeming to crush them to one consistant colour.

Is this a case of the promotional material not having the final grade done on it or a botched Blu Ray release. Im still on the fence but leaning towards the BB prologue due to

PDB said:

The Dark Knight's colors on BD is suppose to different from its theatrical run, quoting:

"On The Dark Knight Blu-ray transfer, the biggest error – by far the biggest error – its producers committed was the complete change of the film's original color timing. The Dark Knight was not copied with an optical printer. The original material – I held it in my hands – it was gorgeous. It was absolutely gorgeous. It was… I fell flat off my chair. (Laughs) The colors are so different compared to those that appear in the Blu-ray transfer. I've seen the Blu-ray once, and I've never looked at it again. "

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6885

Lets keep digging.

Im going to remap the Imax scenes to 2:35:1 first, using the HDTV as refrence and then will get into colour grading.

Out of interest, any colour grades out there who can tell me how to best match the colours of the BB TDK Prologue? Im thinking a blanket Correction at the moment.

Does anybody know anything about removing/softening Edge Enhancement? I understand the detail has been lost but would be nice to tone down its apearance. Ive posted in the Technical Forum about a AVIsynth filter http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Edge-Enhancement-Removal/topic/17404/ Im not the best at AVIsynth scripts so any help would be great.

Thanks for everybodys contrbutions to the project and thread.

Hi All.

Im looking a techniques to help soften / remove Edge Enhancement.
I come from a 'cutter' background so alot of these tools (AVIsynth) im still coming to grips with!

I came across this on my travels:

Blinddehalo3: http://avisynth.nl/index.php/BlindDeHalo3

Here is a thread on the development and usage: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=74003

Does anybody have any experience with this or Edge Enhancement in general?

Cheers.

http://youtu.be/CIjBEKBL5HQ

CSchmidlapp said:

hairy_hen said:

Before doing anything with the DTS, it seems to me it would be helpful to verify whether there are actually any differences from the Bluray audio.

If the Blurays do indeed use the same audio mixes, as I strongly suspect they do, then there would be little purpose in going to the effort synching and editing together a lossy source when full quality lossless versions are available.

Thanks for your help with this hairy_hen.

I think interest in including the cinema DTS comes from more of a completist attitude. Im with you 100% tho, it would be pointless and a waste of time if there identical and the bluray versions are the superior ones. 

It is worth noting that the Dolby Digital 5.1 on the blu-ray sounds different than the TrueHD version, even when only decoding the core.

This maybe because of the compression as im no expert, but the TrueHD had a much bigger sound. I think even if you took this and compressed it to DVD spec DD5.1, with of the shelf  or even free software encoders it would retain this.

A good place to listen would be when William Fichtner's 'Bank Manager' discharges his final round from the pump action shotgun in the Opening Sequence.

PDB said:

The Dark Knight's colors on BD is suppose to different from its theatrical run, quoting:

"On The Dark Knight Blu-ray transfer, the biggest error – by far the biggest error – its producers committed was the complete change of the film's original color timing. The Dark Knight was not copied with an optical printer. The original material – I held it in my hands – it was gorgeous. It was absolutely gorgeous. It was… I fell flat off my chair. (Laughs) The colors are so different compared to those that appear in the Blu-ray transfer. I've seen the Blu-ray once, and I've never looked at it again. "

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6885

Outside of that quote if I remember correctly didn't the IMAX preview on the Batman Begin BD look different color wise then what it looked like on The Dark Knight?

 Thanks for this PDB, this was going to be my next line of enquiry.

Is this the same for Begins?

Will investigate further.

Anybody got or have a link to any 35mm frames?

hairy_hen said:

Before doing anything with the DTS, it seems to me it would be helpful to verify whether there are actually any differences from the Bluray audio.

If the Blurays do indeed use the same audio mixes, as I strongly suspect they do, then there would be little purpose in going to the effort synching and editing together a lossy source when full quality lossless versions are available.

Thanks for your help with this hairy_hen.

I think interest in including the cinema DTS comes from more of a completist attitude. Im with you 100% tho, it would be pointless and a waste of time if there identical and the bluray versions are the superior ones. 

nafroe said:

Fantastic!  This looks like an exciting project!

The Cinema DTS for the entire trilogy has my mouth watering...  :-D

 Can not wait to hear them myself.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Great project, I like it very much!!!

Cheers. Hope it all works out.

Jetrell Fo said:

I am very happy to be a part of this.  I'm going to contact hairy_hen to see if he'd help with sorting the audio properly so we get the best we can out of the DTS cinema audio.

Thanks to the Commodore for including me in this project.  My only hope is that these are going to stay bluray size for those of us who prefer that kind of presentation.  It's the ONLY way to watch these movies.

Cheers!!!!!

 Hi Jetrell Fo

Thanks again for your help, and getting hairy_hen involved would be great.

I'm unsure at the moment what to include or format/s when finished. Will have a discussion closer to completion.

budwhite said:

Really looking forward to this great project!

I guess that the DTS cinema tracks are lossy? If so, the BD Dolby True HD audio would be nice to have as well.

What's the word on Interstellar on BD? I would presume that it also going to have shifting aspect ratios

The DTS will have come from a lossy source, I can not remember the bitrate of Cinema DTS. will probably encode to DTS Master Audio tho.

I'm not sure what to include in the release/s yet will have a discussion about that closer to finish.

Not heard on interstellar but it will be more than likely IMAX.

Added 'Screen shots' and 'Comparison Videos'

In terms of framing the 35mm shots match. Will have to do motion tracking to match the 35mm matted version of the Imax sequences.

The 35mm version seams to have less saturation. In the Imax sequences there seams to be less contrast making it look like theres more detail (Jokers Coat). Also there is a slight lean towards red?

What does everybody think?

Screen Shots

Screen shot of the sources.

IMAX vs 35mm

BR

HDTV

Comparison Video

http://youtu.be/dtcbbdv9SBE

35mm Vs 35mm

BR

HDTV

Comparison Video

http://youtu.be/2KFxCMDBqhg

Batman Begins Blu Ray 'The Dark Knight' Prologue Vs Blu ray

ht

Comparison Video

http://youtu.be/CIjBEKBL5HQ

iTunes Trailer Vs Blu ray.

Source for screen shots http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/1089714-dark-knight-comparison-pix.html

Comparison Video

Batman Begins Prologue vs SCREENER vs HDTV vs Blu-Ray

http://youtu.be/oE-2AZ60sM8

Diary / Tutorial

Will update with progress. 

Programmes and Materials Used :-

KEY
(Footage) ((Program))

(The Dark Knight U.K Blu ray, Disc 1)
((AnyDVDHD Blu ray Ripping))
(The Dark Knight iTV HDTV Rip)
((eac3to))
((TMPGenc Master Works)) with ((UT codec)) installed.
((AVISynth)) and ((Text Editor)) for .avs creation.
((Adobe Premiere CS6 including Adobe Media Encoder))

15/01/2015

Sub Project : The Dark Knight

• Received HDTV rip from mass5160. Legend.

16/01/2015

Content Creation -

• Rip Bluray (The Dark Knight Disc 1) ((AnyDVDHD)) to (root:)/The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight/Video/BRRip/Disc 1, rip to folder so you have folders BDMV and CERTIFICATE contained within.
• Copy The Dark Knight.ts (HDTV Version) to (root:)/The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight/Video/HDTVRip
• Demuxed file ((eac3to)) (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\BRRip\Disc1\BDMV\STREAM 0007.mts.
• Delete .vc1 file
• Copy demuxed files to correct folders in V:\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\Final .SUP files and Chapter.txt in subs folder, Audio tracks in Audio folder.
• Load (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\BRRip\Disc1\BDMV\STREAM 0007.mts. into media encoder ((TMPGenc)).
• Export in a intermediate codec to (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\Footage TDK.bluray.extention (avi)
• Create .avs file ((Text Editor)) with settings -

copy and paste into .txt file changing (root) to drive Letter -

directshowsource("(root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\HDTVRip\The Dark Knight.ts",audio=false)

assumefps(23.976)

• Then save as .avs (make sure extention is renamed to .avs) to (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\HDTVRip TDK.HDTV.23.976.avs

• Load (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\HDTVRip TDK.HDTV.23.976.avs into Media Encoder ((TMPGenc)) adding deinterlace.
• Export in a intermediate codec to (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\Footage TDK.HDTV.23.976.extension (avi), No Audio.

NOTES: Rendered out to a 1024 x 576 @23.976, 2 channel 48kHz, UT Codec 420 for proxy work (Less CPU heavy and smaller files).
saved all above as project files to re-render as 1080p later.

Editing -

• Open Editor ((Adobe Premiere CS6)) and create a Project with the following Sequence / Settings.

Height and With :1920 x 1080
Fields : Progressive
FPS : 23.976   
Codec :Intermediate codec used (UT Codec 4.2.0)
Audio :5.1 48kHz 16bit

NOTE: Im using 2 Channel audio for the proxy and adding 5.1 audio later.

• Import contents of (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight\Video\Footage into Editor ((CS6)).
• Place TDK.bluray on Top and TDK.HDTV.23.976 on Bottom of the created sequence.

NOTES: Using Scale to Full Screen option for proxy file.

• Save the Project as (root):\The Dark Knight Trilogy\The Dark Knight The Dark Knight.extension (.pproj)

Uploaded 2 screen shots  IMAX vs 35mm

Uploaded 'Comparison Video' IMAX vs  35mm

17/01/2015

uploaded 2 screen shots - 35mm vs 35mm

Uploaded 'Comparison Video' - 35mm vs 35mm

PDB said:

The Dark Knight's colors on BD is suppose to different from its theatrical run, quoting:

"On The Dark Knight Blu-ray transfer, the biggest error – by far the biggest error – its producers committed was the complete change of the film's original color timing. The Dark Knight was not copied with an optical printer. The original material – I held it in my hands – it was gorgeous. It was absolutely gorgeous. It was… I fell flat off my chair. (Laughs) The colors are so different compared to those that appear in the Blu-ray transfer. I've seen the Blu-ray once, and I've never looked at it again. "

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6885

18/01/2015

Uploaded 'Comparison Video' - IMAX vs IMAX vs 35mm

24/03/15

Received Screener from TServo2049 and uploaded comparison.

The Dark Knight Trilogy

Preserve the Theatrical presentations of The Nolan Batman Trilogy
All 3 films with 2:35:1 Aspect Ratio and the DTS Cinema Audio

The story so far…

<span style=“text-decoration: underline;”>Batman Begins</span>

Work to be done

Sync DTS Cinema Audio

Materials

Blu-ray U.K Edition (Pending via Me)
DTS Cinema Audio (Pending via Jetrell Fo)

<span style=“text-decoration: underline;”>The Dark Knight</span>

Work to be done

Crop IMAX Sequences to 2:35:1 using DVD/HDTV Rip as Reference and edit in Alt Shots.
Sync DTS Cinema Audio

Materials

Blu-ray U.K Edition (Acquired,Ripped)
HDTV Rip from iTV HD u.k premiere. (Acquired via Mass5160 ,Ripped)
DVD U.K (Pending via Me)
DTS Cinema Audio (Pending via Jetrell Fo)

<span style=“text-decoration: underline;”>The Dark Knight Rises</span>

Work to be done

Crop IMAX Sequences to 2:35:1 using DVD/iTunes Rip as Reference and edit in Alt Shots (If Any) .
Sync DTS Cinema Audio

Materials

Blu-ray U.K Edition (Pending via Me)
itunes rip @ 480p (Aquired, HELP NEEDED for 1080p version)
DVD U.K (Pending, HELP NEEDED)
DTS Cinema Audio (Pending via Jetrell Fo)

Released

Nothing Yet

(Updated when new information available for convenience)

digitalfreaknyc said:

Vudu has constant aspect ratios, if you're interested.

 Is this also the case with The Dark Knight Rises?

@Starthoughts

Always bugged me also.

With the Blu Releases they could have given us a choice via seamless branching or something to that effect. The IMAX sequences are cropped anyway to fit the screen, so it does not fully represent the IMAX photography.

Mass5160 said:

@CSchmidlapp - It was the same transfer as seen on the BR with the edge enhancement present, the IMAX scenes also have the edge enhancement, and compared to the BR are mostly noticeably duller, colour-wise.

 Cheers.

Maybe it is from the same master that was used for the DVD?

Mass5160 said:

itv did air TDK the other day in 2.35:1 throughout, which I recorded in HD. I'm in the process of merging this recording with the BR. I've actually noticed 1 use of an alternate take (possibly shot from a different angle) in place of an imax shot, Alfred burning the letter towards the end of the film. Not sure of any other cases of this as the frame counts don't differ, which makes them hard to find.

 Interesting.

How did the presentation look overall. did it match the blu in colour ect.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

So, will be better to use the 35mm scan as color reference, instead of DVD?!?

Yes. The 35mm print looks very different from all home video releases. Really surprised me.

Head over to the AMPS boards and see what there up to.

Im a silent observer around these parts mostly.

I follow many of the threads here, but rarely comment as I feel that it is best to go with the flow unless I feel I really have something to add.

What you are doing is awesome, with this and your Blade Runner project.

I look forward to seeing your completed work.

All the best.