Warbler said:
too bad, I am not a Conservative. If I were, I'd go out and buy a gun and shoot the Gormally.
SILLY BIRD CREATURE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A CONSERVATIVE TO OWN A GUN. GORMALLY IS IMPERVIOUS TO BULLETS... THEY DO TICKLE A LITTLE WHICH MAKES GORMALLY LAUGH IN THE FACE OF HIS SHOOTERS. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
The animated series is the Batman I am the most familiar with, though I have dabbled in the comics quite a bit.
I think the animated series Batman is a great example of what Warbler and I are talking about. It does portray Bruce taking an active interest in the on goings of his company, but I have always seen that as a means to achieve his agenda as Batman. Wayne Enterprises provides Batman with wealth, influence, and resources out of the range of a normal man. His wealth and affluence are, in effect, Batman's superpowers. His social status plays a large role in his detective work at times, as does the far reaches of his company's influence, and the technology he develops through it. That was actually another thing I didn't care for about TDKR, not only does he give up on Batman and become a recluse, he let's his fortunes fall to ruin and his company sink.
I don't think you could argue that the animated series Bruce Wayne was depicted as someone who could ever retire from being Batman and be content with it. I've actually never watched Batman Beyond, other than The Return of the Joker movie and the first few episodes. Just didn't interest me that much, but I did love how the first episode depicts a much older Bruce Wayne still fighting crime, being over powered by a thug and resorting to grabbing for a gun. After the confrontation he looks down at the gun in disgust and declares "Never again!" Only resolving to give up on Batman when he realizes he can no longer fight without resorting to the use of a firearm. But then proceeds to put a lot of effort into finding and training a protege to do what he'd still be doing, if only his failing body permitted it.
DominicCobb said:
CP3S said:
DominicCobb said:
CP3S said:
No, it really wasn't. You seem to be having a hard time getting that...
Well I was hoping it was because you're being really hypocritical. Your attitude is way out of line.
How do I have a bad attitude? Because I told you to get over yours? Or because I am expressing criticism you deem illegitimate?
Well there it is again. You can't just tell someone their "attitude fucking sucks. Get a grip," and not realize that you yourself have an attitude. And you can't say "it's just a damn movie" and then go on long rants about it and not think that's hypocritical.
You can't do something and apologize for it in the same action and have it be a legit apology.
Just because it is "just a damn movie", doesn't mean discussing it makes me hypocritical. I wasn't the one freaking out that other people interpreted things differently than me. I have plenty of respect for your views, and don't feel the fact that I interpreted things differently than you means you don't know how to watch movies. Nor does it make me want to post in all caps, or even get my blood pressure up in the slightest.
DominicCobb said:
CP3S said:
No, it really wasn't. You seem to be having a hard time getting that...
Well I was hoping it was because you're being really hypocritical. Your attitude is way out of line.
How do I have a bad attitude? Because I told you to get over yours? Or because I am expressing criticism you deem illegitimate?
No, it really wasn't. You seem to be having a hard time getting that...
The entire album of Blunderbuss, by Jack White. Good stuff.
That is kind of like saying that Ang Lee's Incredible Hulk film sucking isn't a legitimate complaint about the film, and that you feel sorry for them if it ruined the enjoyment of the film for them.
By those standards, there is no such thing as a legitimate complaint, ever, and everything is awesome.
I doubt Warbler and I are the only ones who were thrown off by the films silly little in your face "easter egg", it clearly muddled things. Perhaps only for a very stupid portion of the population who have never clearly been able to get a grasp on the proper way of movie watching, but it is still a large enough number for that joke to have been a legitimately godawful, absolutely stupid idea of a joke. I fail to see how that makes it an illegitimate complaint.
No, it really wasn't. It is just a discussion about a damn movie. Calm the fuck down and play nice.
DominicCobb said:
(sorry in advance for my attitude)
Yeah, your attitude fucking sucks. Get a grip.
I highly doubt this conversation can continue in any sort of a civilized capacity, so it is with a good deal of hesitation that I write the following. However, I am really enjoying hearing what Gaff and Warb have to say about things that I am just going to take my chances and do it anyway.
Apparently, I do not know how to watch movies, so my opinion shouldn't count anyway... I haven't seen The Dark Knight since I first saw it in theaters. I've never felt it was worthy of a second go. So I don't remember a bunch of stuff about Bruce not wanting to be Batman, and it has been well over a year or more since I have seen Begins, and much, much longer than that since I watched it and actually paid attention to it.
I guess at the beginning of TDKR, Bruce is no longer Batman, so I suppose that gives an indication that he doesn't exactly want to be Batman. I felt like that was cleanly explained by the fact that Gotham had been a pretty peaceful city since the last film and no longer needed a Dark Knight. I am used to the Batman character being very obsessive and attached to his vigilante persona. This was even shown in the film when we see a broken and determined Bruce giving everything he has to get back to Gotham and save it. I've always felt the Batman character was one that would fight until his last breath, even when he is old and broken (we see this in The Dark Knight Returns, and in the cartoon series). It is hard for me to buy into a Batman who would hand over the cowl and retire at a relatively young age. It just isn't very true to his character. You're right, the movies are to be taken on their own without any outside knowledge of Batman influencing them, but it is something I have always felt is a deeply intertwined part of his character.
The playboy Bruce Wayne is suppose to be a disguise for Batman. To think of Batman giving up being Batman to retire and become the playboy sipping drinks in Europe is a less than satisfying turn for the character. You guys have convinced me this was clearly the intention, as opposed to Batman planning an eventual comeback with a few crime fighting buddies at his side, but I must say it definitely brings down the entire series several notches in my eyes.
Gaffer Tape said:
Damnit! Why did you take the part I was responding to out of your post and rewrite it below mine? That makes no sense! All that said, though...
Oops, that part was originally an edit, and while I was still editing it, you posted your response, so I figured you didn't read that part and that I might as well cut it out of the post and make it into a new one.
C3PX says:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo...
GORMALLY IS PLEASED WITH THIS HARDY NEW VESSEL.
C3PX says:
ARRRRRRGGGG!!!
GORMALLY BANISHES YOU!!!
C3PX says:
HUH? THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE... I CAN'T... BUT... HE'S JUST A WEAK LITTLE IMP... WHY CAN'T I...
GORMALLY LAUGHS AT THE PATHETIC DEMON EWOK'S ATTEMPTS. POOR EWOK. HE HAS GORMALLY'S PITY.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
C3PX says:
*Sigh*
TIME FOR ME TO PUT AN END TO YOU, STUPID RED TURD.
YOU'VE OCCASIONALLY BEEN AN AMUSING LITTLE ELEMENT TO THESE FORUMS, BUT NOW YOU'VE GROWN A LITTLE TOO COCKY FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.
GOODBYE GORMALLY...
SILLY DEMONIC EWOK UNDERESTIMATES GORMALLY'S NEW FOUND POWERS. HAHAHA!
C3PX says:
GET. OUT. OF. MY. VESSEL.
DON'T MAKE ME DESTROY YOU, YOU PITHY LITTLE IMP. YOU ARE NO MATCH FOR A DEMONIC FORCE OF MY POWER.
GORMALLY HAS GROWN QUITE STRONG. GORMALLY HAS HAD MANY MONTHS TRAPPED INSIDE IGNORANT NABOOBIAN TO DIET, EXERCISE, AND MEDITATE. DEMONIC HELLSPAWN/ROBOT/EWOK THINGYS ARE NO MATCH FOR GORMALLY ANY LONGER.
C3PX says:
SORRY, THIS VESSEL IS ALREADY OCCUPIED BY AN EVIL DEMONIC FORCE. ONLY ONE EVIL FORCE PER MEMBER.
Reflecting on it more, if the Robin name thing hadn't been revealed and Bruce hadn't been shown to be alive, along with all the rest of the scenes at the end being the same, I probably would have taken it to mean John Blake was going to take up the cowl. As it is, the film practically roundhouse kicks you in the jaw and shouts, "Haha! Take that! He's ROBIN, MOTHER F******!!!" in an annoying cheesy falsetto while you are lying on the ground dazed and agitated having been blissfully enjoying yourself up until that point. From then on, it is kind of hard to forget the fact that the movie just violently assaulted you and forcefully informed you that he is Robin.
Nin jah!!!
DominicCobb said:
He did become Batman. His name being Robin was just a fun little easter egg. There is nothing anywhere to imply he became Robin because obviously he would not and that would make no sense. Never before have I seen a simple easter egg be so harshly criticized...
That does not fit the definition of easter egg by any stretch of any imagination. An easter egg is a hidden joke or references, this wasn't hidden it was out there and in your face.
Also, I never got the slightest impression that it was trying to imply Blake was to become the new Batman. If that was the implication, his name being Robin was all the dumber and more nonsensical. I think there was far more to imply he was to become Robin than to imply he was to become Batman. We discover his first name is Robin, we discover Bruce is alive and well, and we see him making his way to the batcave. This spells out new sidekick to me more than it does successor.
I feel funny...
