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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
The T.F.n and Star Wars.com are a joke, George could commit murder and someone there would justify it. I can only bother with a visit once a week to the TF,n and thats just to catch up on latest bashing, expertly done i must say, including some good bashes from members of this very own forum......

Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
As I told a classmate of mine 2 weeks ago, "the PT may be all hyped up and talked about, but that is only because it is new and popular. In 15 years, let's see how it holds up against the Original Trilogy. I know it is going to fall flat."

His response was a snied, "So certain are you?" The guy is a Star Wars fanatic, but he just happens to like EVERYTHING star wars. He has very little taste in movies. And having him in Theory 348 was painful. He wouldn't shut up. It was like he was fighting with the teacher so he could talk. Hey, buddy I came to this class to learn, not to hear you blather on about stuff that isn't realevant to the subject.


Sorry, got a little side-tracked there.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I like how he claims that no one in the fanbase had any complaints about the cause for Anakin's turn being love for his wife. Um, I'm raising my hand! Can't you see me? It's as frustrating as being in class, knowing the answer to a problem, but the teacher refuses to call on you!

And, lo and behold, it turns out that the TV series is going to be a convenient little loop hole for them to rectify all the plot holes they should have dealt with in the movies. "What about Ben and Owen?" "Um, we'll deal with it in the TV series." How much you want to bet that there'll be an episode where a 4 year old Leia has a Force-induced dream of Padme, waking up to say, "My mother is very kind, but sad."

Pathetic.

Originally posted by: Tim Lehrbach
I actually hadn't thought about the senario in detail...it's pretty funny actually.

It boils down to Lucas trying to fill plot holes, but made more in the process.

I think the initial idea was distorted in the prequels, In the ROTJ novel it's kind of expanded on (which Lucas approved, but has since been abandoned).

From ROTJ Novel

"When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible."

Instead Lucas changed it so Anakin did know about her being pregnant, he ends up turning because he has visions of her dying during childbirth, the unborn child may have something to do with the turn, but you're given the impression it has more to do with learning the power to save his wife from death.

and

"When I saw what had become of him,I tried to dissuade him, to draw him back from the dark side. We fought...your father fell into a molten pit, when your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the change had been burned into him forever".


Again more changes, Anakin catches on fire at the bank of a molten river instead of falling into a pit, how he burned up isn't really that important, but the fact that Kenobi never sticks around to see him climb up the bank of the river, or pit as it was...adds more confusion to the logic of their thinking.

And the Leia "remembering" thing:

""...and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan".

You can tell it was the plan to have Anakin's wife survive and go live on Alderaan, then die from some unknown cause like a broken heart or some nonsense, when Leia is little (since Leia remembers some details in ROTJ) ..... I guess Lucas didn't feel like he could let Padme survive Episode 3, and leave her death unexplained between the movies, which is understandable I guess...He could have painted himself out of the corner with Anakin causing life threatening injuries to Padme, and having her die after spending some time with Leia or something....blech.


But basically he changed so much stuff around on these prequels, all it did was make Kenobi and Yoda look like illogical cowards, he turned Anakin into a desperate idiot ..instead of being obsessed with gaining power, and Padme' a melodramatic depressive.

Originally posted by: battlewars
i wonder what john flynn the guy who wrote the article thinks of the prequels now and also what has become of fandom . i miss the mid 90's when fans debated about whether classic trek was better than tng. look how far weve fallen

by the way co which starlog issue was that?

Originally posted by: JennyS1138
How could anyone say that the original funny Star Wars movies are slow and boring and the CSpan nature of the PT not boring? There is almost no humor in the prequels at all. Give me Mark, Harrison and Carrie over Hayden, Natalie and Ewan any day! (although Ewan was very good in Sith)