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- Any GOOD memories of the PT?
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- #169329
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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Thats a really good read, and I kinda agree with about 42 of them! I think that is a testament to Star Wars & ESB, that they were so good, many of us overlook the flaws of ROTJ, and still love it. I still love ROTJ, but that article is dead on, and even though the characters, with the exception of Luke, gave average performances, they are still lovable characters that make the movie enjoyable to watch 22 years later. I look at it as closure to my childhood being 11 years old when I saw ROTJ in the theater.
Now I correlate ROTS, the same way with ROTJ. It was the only prequel I liked, or I guess enjoyed, and the only one that felt like the OT. But as the first two movies in the OT helped ROTJ, the first two in the PT actually hurt ROTS. By 2005, many fans had had enough, and were burned twice, and ROTS had to be perfect by then, and Lucas has demonstrated the perfect movie hasn't existed since 1980. Plus I feel ROTS is so much better than TPM & AOTC, you start to wonder if the first two were even worth it, and should the PT been ROTS story for 3 movies? Overall, because of the failure of the first two movies, and even though I like ROTS, although the turn scene is dreadful, the trilogy overall doesn't work for me, and I have wiped it from my memory faster than C-3PO had his wiped. But if Lucas had made 3 PT movies with ROTS quality for me, I would probably feel alot different.
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- #169208
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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Yeah, but those hair buns were so out of style by the time the empire took over, they were soooo in when the republic ruled.
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- #169188
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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Just think if he called to Chewy on the Millenium Falcon instead of Leia, and Chewy heard him through the force, Han Solo was the only one who could understand him. You would have this crazy wookie howling in wookie language, "Go back, we have to save Luke! Go Back!" And Lando & Leia, not understanding a damn word he his howling, would shrug at each other, "Maybe he's really hungry or something Lando."
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- #169158
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/169158/action/topic#169158
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
BUT, the whole love trianlge present in ANH is actually bery reallistic, given the fact that Luke and Leia didn't know they were siblings. It's only when someone says "You two are bro/sis" that people say "What? We can't be doing this!"
BUT, the whole love trianlge present in ANH is actually bery reallistic, given the fact that Luke and Leia didn't know they were siblings. It's only when someone says "You two are bro/sis" that people say "What? We can't be doing this!"
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I agree Adam, cause there is an answer to every possible plot hole. The out to that Luke/Leia kiss to everyone was they didn't know they were siblings, and that always worked for me. But again, do you really think Lucas would have played that up from what was a possible love triangle for Luke/Leia/Han in the first movie if he had them as siblings in mind? It he did, he is a real sick bastard!
Remember she was a princess in the first movie, every character was not specific, it was more of the general heroes in every movie: The ultimate good guy: Luke, the swarmy pessimist: Han Solo, and the damsel in distress princess: Leia. By the second movie, the characters were much more developed than the first, because of the larger story. Remember Leia was more the leader of the rebellion than the typical princess in ESB.
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- #169133
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/169133/action/topic#169133
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
YIYF, that's my point. He wanted to make a story in the middle of a war. YET, in order to do this, he needed (as all good storytellers do) to write a backstory in order to know where exactly everyone came from, what the origins of the war were, etc. That's where the PT comes in. Now, I know very well that it wasn't completely planned out and that it was merely about seven written pages. As we all know, he wrote the main stopry as Eps 4-6, as that was the one he was primarily interested in telling. HOWEVER, later on he decided that he wanted to tell the backstory in the form of Eps 1-3 so that Vader's story would reasonate better. He explains in "The Chosen One" documentary on the Ep 3 DVD that originally he wanted to dop one movie, Ep4, which would include the stories of what we now know as Eps 4-6. But he couldn't, as it would have been too large for one movie. So, he instead cut it into three parts, so he could tell the entire story. BUT, as a result, people didn't get to see the entire "movie" (Eps 4-6 as one), SO they saw Vader as pure evil until Ep 6, where they reallized he was once Anakin Skywalker, a good person who fell from greatness. But he explains that people still saw Vader as pure evil, despite ROPTJ. That's why he made the PT, he explains. He says he made it to HELP the story of Eps 4-6. Now, whether or not it actually helped is based solely on opinion. But that was his gole. And, of course, he had to stretch out his backstory into three Eps for the PT because, as he said at Celebration three "I could have made TPM and AOTC as Episode I and ROTS as Ep 2, but then I wouldn't have material for an Episode III, would I?"
YIYF, that's my point. He wanted to make a story in the middle of a war. YET, in order to do this, he needed (as all good storytellers do) to write a backstory in order to know where exactly everyone came from, what the origins of the war were, etc. That's where the PT comes in. Now, I know very well that it wasn't completely planned out and that it was merely about seven written pages. As we all know, he wrote the main stopry as Eps 4-6, as that was the one he was primarily interested in telling. HOWEVER, later on he decided that he wanted to tell the backstory in the form of Eps 1-3 so that Vader's story would reasonate better. He explains in "The Chosen One" documentary on the Ep 3 DVD that originally he wanted to dop one movie, Ep4, which would include the stories of what we now know as Eps 4-6. But he couldn't, as it would have been too large for one movie. So, he instead cut it into three parts, so he could tell the entire story. BUT, as a result, people didn't get to see the entire "movie" (Eps 4-6 as one), SO they saw Vader as pure evil until Ep 6, where they reallized he was once Anakin Skywalker, a good person who fell from greatness. But he explains that people still saw Vader as pure evil, despite ROPTJ. That's why he made the PT, he explains. He says he made it to HELP the story of Eps 4-6. Now, whether or not it actually helped is based solely on opinion. But that was his gole. And, of course, he had to stretch out his backstory into three Eps for the PT because, as he said at Celebration three "I could have made TPM and AOTC as Episode I and ROTS as Ep 2, but then I wouldn't have material for an Episode III, would I?"
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See this is where Lucas is being alittle dishonest Adam, and that is what he said now. When he made the original SW, he didn't know if Darth Vader was Lukes father yet, he may of thought about that angle, but this whole nobody had the real idea of Darth Vader in 1977 is baloney. Darth Vader would have had alot bigger role if that were the case, the only thing he had in mind was keeping Vader alive just in case he could make a sequel. The true star of the movie, and the OT for that sake, is Luke Skywalker.
He wrote one movie, and had more ideas, mostly used in ESB, that he could use for a sequel. But Yoda was only invented because he killed off Kenobi, Leia was never Lukes sister, but Lucas says it was always about these twins and their father. Remember by the time of ROTJ, he ran out of new ideas, that is why there are so many recycled plot points, most of his great ideas he couldn't use for the original were all in ESB, so that dispels this huge three story synopsis. Just watch the original SW again, there isn't a hint of all of this stuff. If Lucas was going to go with the story of Leia & Luke sisters, he would have never played up the love triangle that was hinted in the original, and the Kenobi/Luke conversation about Lukes father would have been different than what was said. Remember, basically in ROTJ, Kenobi had to tell Luke he was lying about that whole conversation to cover up the story they didn't have in the original.
The funny thing is, the scene where Biggs is talking to Luke right before they board their X-Wing fighters before they embark on the death star, part of that scene was cut out for the SE, cause Biggs brings up Lukes father, who wasn't Vader then. Now the whole scene was never in the original cut, but just the fact that they filmed that dialogue tells you Lucas didn't have Vader as Lukes father.
Now I agree with you that Lucas had some sort of backstory, but nothing other than random notes. Maybe a few notes on the duel, how the Empire was formed, and other minor details. But in ROTJ book, Uncle Owen is ObiWans brother, and Leias mom original took Leia in hiding, and never lost the will to live, that is why the Leia/Luke ROTJ conversation doesn't make sense now. If he didn't have an idea on Anakins wife and her fate, how the hell did he have any story for the PT, cause she was central to everything that happens in 1-3!
Did Lucas have this master plan, no way, did he have a plan, no way either. Did he have certain ideas for more movies, I think he did. But after the original, the saga makes such a left turn, that I think after ANH, that is when he really started developing 6, 9, or 12 episodes cause it made so much money. Remember SW was the highest grossing movie at the time, a sequel was a no-brainer, so I think Lucas just started saying to himself, "OK, now I can do whatever I want with this hit movie,"and then realized it was harder than it looks making everything fit. That is why the PT has so many things that just don't match the OT, cause things like QuiGon and Jango Fett, and Padme losing the will to live were never there.
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- #169053
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- Uncle Owen and Kenobi added dialogue at the end of ROTS
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Yeah, well, that plot element was always there. You can't blame it on the PT for introducing it this time.
Yeah, well, that plot element was always there. You can't blame it on the PT for introducing it this time.
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In the OT, we didn't know who exactly Uncle Owen was, or where Anakin came from. Now with the PT, Uncle Owen is Anakins step brother, and Anakin knows where he lives, plus Anakin is born on Tatooine. The PT is what made all these coincidences too much of a coincidence anymore where it just became stupid that they put Luke there.
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- #169037
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- Hello
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/169037/action/topic#169037
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-Get ready to hear how now the story is about Anakin Skywalker, not Luke anymore
-Get ready to hear how the saga is supposed to be watched 1-6, not in the way 99% of the SW fans saw it.
There is nothing better than coming here each day, and realizing that there are frustrated SW fans like yourself that love the OT, and mostly have problems with the PT, and get a chance to vent why we don't have the originals on DVD. It's great fun, enjoy.....
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- #169036
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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I know it was always on the crawl, but as you guys have stated, not until the PT, did Lucas market the movie, Star Wars Episode I. Even though A New Hope was under the crawl since 1981, I never called it that, I always called in Star Wars til the PT, but now many new fans think you are talking about the saga, not the movie.
The funny thing is after ROTJ, there were more speculation on 7,8,9 then 1,2,3 in the 80's. They were all just rumors, but I remember every summer hoping to hear Episode VII in production, and Han, Luke, and Leia, were back to continue the series. Then we thought sometime later Lucas would go back and do the adventures of ObiWan and Anakin in 1,2,3. It was never, I can't wait til they do the story of Anakin Skywalker and how he becomes Vader, that wasn't the main story, that was just part of the prequel story. That is what gets me mad when people say older fans had the story of the prequels in their minds for 20 years, I didn't, I wanted the sequel trilogy, I never wanted the prequels, cause there would be no suspense, cause we already knew what happened.
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- #168953
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I think he means that Anakin's story is the central theme, and that Luke is part of that story. Lucas sees Luke as merely a step in redeeming his father. I really don't think he thinks the OT is about Luke, that would be silly to pretend, as it's not.
I think he means that Anakin's story is the central theme, and that Luke is part of that story. Lucas sees Luke as merely a step in redeeming his father. I really don't think he thinks the OT is about Luke, that would be silly to pretend, as it's not.
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As I said, read the May 2005 Vanity Fair Article, for one time, Lucas was very forthcoming. He finally admitted that he didn't see the OT as the redemption of Vader til years after ROTJ. (Hint: Sounds like right around the time he thought he was going to make the PT)
It is a great selling point, the story of Anakin, and many younger fans eat it up. Go on theforce.net boards, every fan who loves the prequels, says it is one saga now, and it has always been about the story of Anakin. They even say they see so much of his struggles in ANH! He wasn't even Luke dad when it was made in 1977, in that movie he is just a really cool bad guy.
Lucas had to sell the PT as Anakins story because he knew he had to tie the OT to everything. Check out the SE VHS cases from 1997, it doesn't say Episode IV: A New Hope, it just says Star Wars as the original movie. He didn't start putting Epsiode #'s to sell the movie until the PT, before it was Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. Now everything is Star Wars this, Star Wars that, except they forgot the original movie was called Star Wars. Look how he marketed ROTS, Vader here, Chewbacca here, Vader there, they both got about 5 minutes of screentime between them out of 2 hour 15 minute movie.
Lucas knows the OT was about Luke. Just look at every ending of the OT, Luke receives a medal in the ceremony with Han, in ESB, Luke & Leia watch as Lando pulls away, and ROTJ, Luke looks out at the force ghosts of his father, Kenobi, and Yoda. Every ending he was the central figure, not Vader.
Lucas can get away with his lies to the new fans, cause there is a simple fact, they're new. But older people know the history of SW and how it has changed and evolved. The typical Lucas answer is the media is the problem, he didn't seem to have a problem with the media when they did a countdown for TPM in 1999 as the most anticipated movie of the century? But you sure had a problem when the media and fans started burying it for being a mediocre movie. Who is the hypocrite?
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- #168657
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- So, what would happen if he did release the OOT on DVD?
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Now HD-DVD will of course be better quality, but not by that much that I am going to run out and re-buy every DVD I have in my collection. But when I got a DVD players, there was such a huge quality difference, it was like watching a movie in a whole different way: Widescreen, Dolby Digital 5.1, Anamorphic, Chapter Search, Extras.
Now I never had a laserdisc player, but I know DVD is alot better than that too.
To me, I am satisfied with DVD quality movies, just like I have been with CD music for 15 years. If they came out with something better quality than CD's, I wouldn't go buying all my Rolling Stones and The Who CD's over again. That is the same for DVD, if Lucas releases O-OT as Anamorphic Widescreen, 5.1, I will be content forever.
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- #168478
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- 'Merge' Article- Lucas in his own words
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/168478/action/topic#168478
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Wasn't there talk at one time of three trilogies?
LUCAS: That was created by the media, not by me.
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Lucas was asked by Leonard Maltin in 1997, about the third trilogy 7,8,9 right before shooting Episode I, Lucas said, "Whooa, let me get through this trilogy first!" Funny he didn't deny 9 episodes then, maybe cause of the backlash of the PT, and he was not god anymore?
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But can you just walk away from it all?
LUCAS: I walked away from it before, for 15 years. I thought long and hard about coming back and doing the backstory. The only reason that I did do it was because I was interested in the story, and the fact that would sort of shift the way that you look at Episodes IV, V and VI.
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Yeah, now you have newcomer to the series who watches them 1-6 in order thinks the original SW is average, and probably the worst of the six, because the are looking for Anakins struggle, a better lightsaber duel, better effects, and Yoda & The Emperor, and none of this was written in the story in 1977, they don't even know it was a standalone movie where nobody was related yet! That answer is dead on, they will look at the movies differently, but not for the better.
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Can you explain that a bit more?
LUCAS: It's really a story about Darth Vader. Luke and Leia became central figures and had a strong impact. But I knew if I gave Darth Vader his due, you would understand what a tragic story the whole thing was and it would change the way you look at the other movies. So that's why I did it.
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That is such a bunch of B.S. In the may 2005 Vanity Fair Issue, Lucas admits to not seeing the OT movies as the redemption of Darth Vader til many years after filming ROTJ. So when he was filming 4,5,6, Luke & Leia, Han were always the central figures, and Darth Vader who was just a bad guy in the original, became a secondary story to connect with Lukes in ROTJ, but even George knows it was always about Luke, but the PT propaganda wouldn't make sense if the two trilogies weren't about Anakin.
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No one gives you a hard time anymore, do they?
LUCAS: When I said I was going to do The Phantom Menace, everyone was saying, 'It's a Disney film. You're going to destroy the franchise. You can't do it. The fans will revolt.' I said, 'But this is the story. I'm telling the story and this is what I want to do.'
But I know that if I'd been at a studio, they would've just said, 'Nope, we're not doing this movie. You can have Darth Vader going around killing everyone but you can't do a film about a little boy.'
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Now I agree with Lucas, that the studios are not the ones to listen to because they are all about money, but TPM was specifically targeted to little kids, hence the only SW movie with such a kiddie tone to it, because of money & merchandising. Lucas didn't realize that the OT generation would still come in droves to the PT, if they were done well, and even though they still sucked, we still came out in droves because cause we were curious.
That is what is great about the original SW compared to TPM, it didn't cater to kids, it was made for probably teenagers, cause they were the biggest scifi fans, but kids latched on and adults, and it became a hit. But there was nothing in the original that said, "OK, here is some humor that werel sure the 5 year olds love it, but in TPM, Jar Jar.........................
And Vader running around killing people for 3 movies is insulting the OT fans, cause were smarter than that. That is Lucas's out, so he can always say he made the movies he wanted. Thats fine, but I know I didn't want suited Vader for 3 movies. But I wanted to know more about: The Clone Wars, The birth of the Rebellion, The force ghost, 3 solid movies of Anakin/Kenobi friendship, Palpatine trying to turn Anakin in AOTC, so you see a gradual turn to the darkside in which is understandable, not this 2 second, BAM, he is a bad guy! I would ask Lucas, "Was your vision for 28 years for the PT, to show Jar Jar stumbling & bumbling around for 2 hours in the first movie, and take any sense of drama out of what could have been the best of the 3 prequels?"
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You didn't direct Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi but you wrote and directed the latest three films. how come?
LUCAS: I've tried to get out of writing over and over and over again. It's the one thing that I don't want to do. It's strange: I don't think that I'm very good at it but I can do it better than most people. When I have an idea, I know how to express it. I know what needs to be done. I work with tons of writers on a lot of projects. I've turned things over to people, and I realize that I can pretty much do it as well as anyone can.
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Let see I wrote 3 new movies, and the biggest criticisms of each one is the dialogue, and acting, but he still chose to do both! Lucas is a great storyteller, the stuff he comes up with in this universe is great, and he could probably make 12 more SW movies, and I will be interested, because the PT books were really good to read.
But the execution is what killed the PT for me. The writing is not funny, it is just badly written compared to the OT. Now the OT isn't Shakespeare, but it has a seriousness that is needed, but is funny in the right places to keep it enjoyable. The PT was the opposite where the humor was written just to make the scene funny, and in every place in the prequels, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Just watch the Geonesis scene with C-3PO, every line tries to be funny, but it sticks out, cause it is the damn Clone Wars! It would be like having C-3PO cracking jokes on the trench run in the original SW as Luke tries to blow it up, and C-3PO, "Oh, my nerves!" "The suspense is killing me!"
In the original trench run, there is zero humor, becauese it didn't need it, it was a serious time, that needed tension and drama, and when you have Jar Jar & C-3PO cracking one liners that don't fit, you lose that in the first two movies.
Atleast you guys understand that Lucas has changed him mind of 28 years, because alot of newer fans think this was always his vision. Now I dont' have a problem if Lucas only wants to do 6 episodes now, I even don't blame him, I mean who wants to do SW for the rest of their life? But don't keep lying and saying everyone is lying, except himself. Just say, "you know what it was always about Luke, and in 1980, I had the hunger to do maybe 12, 9 episodes, cause I saw this huge galaxy out there, but I had to raise my kids, and I got older, and to be honest I just have the hunger to do SW for the next 20 years, so I paired it down to six movies, and just gave a backstory to the OT, focusing around Vader/Kenobi and Luke & Leis Mom, and if you want to watch it 1-6, it may work, but since it was filmed 4-6,1-3, it will probably work better that way. People change, I may have said alot of things that contradict now, but I have changed too."
I would be fine with that, cause it is atleast honest, now gives us the damn O-OT on DVD, so we don't have to read any of this crap about you hoping in one sentence you're gonna say you're releasing the originals!
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- #167582
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- What Star Wars has meant to you
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
CO, do you by any chance remember watching The Star Wars Holiday Special, Caravan of Courage, and/or The Battle for Endor on TV when they first aired? If so, what are your memories for them, and how did you look at them then, in contrast to now?
CO, do you by any chance remember watching The Star Wars Holiday Special, Caravan of Courage, and/or The Battle for Endor on TV when they first aired? If so, what are your memories for them, and how did you look at them then, in contrast to now?
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Actually I remember watching the Holiday Special over my aunts house when I was 6 years old. Dont remember alot of it, but that may be cause it is not that memorable, but I think I remember a bunch of wookies in it, a couple more than just Chewbacca, is that right if anyone has seen it? The other stuff you named I never really got into after ROTJ, but do remember the Ewok Cartoon. To me it was just the three movies and that was enough to keep me satisfied.
It is funny cause as big as a SW fan that I am, when the Prequels were announced, I really didn't care. I remember arguing with a friend the month before TPM came out, and he couldn't wait for the movie, and I kept arguing that Lucas couldn't duplicate the characters of Han, Leia, and Luke in these movies, and that is why they won't be as accepted by the older fans. At that time I really didn't think of the kiddie stuff or would the movies be supbar, or all the other crap that I have a problem with the PT now, I really just thought that how will people love the same universe we grew up with, with different characters who I knew wouldn't be able to replace the great characters from the OT.
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- #167496
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- What Star Wars has meant to you
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It was the first movie I saw in a movie theater at the age of 5 in 1977. The original is still my favorite movie of all-time, even though I have seen it and ESB & ROTJ hundreds of times now. For my childhood, just growing up and getting action figures for Christmas, and the best was when I got the Death Star for Christmas '78. I remember my brother and would demolish it everyday, and then rebuild it. I am so glad I was able to be there for all three releases to make sure the PT generation gets their facts straight about the history of SW.
SW just harkens back to certain points in life you remember fondly, and can pinpoint them easily. I remember seeing ESB in 1980, and at 8 years old, thought it was too dark for me, how can do this to Luke & Han? Those are the good guys! 25 years later, it is a true classic.
I remember seeing ROTJ in 1983, and loving the ending, and not being bothered by the ewoks that much being a kid. Now they are too kiddie for me, but the ending is still powerful.
I remember in February 1983, when Star Wars first came on HBO, I was 11 and waited 6 damn years to watch it since the movies, no video, just a long wait. And that night watching it and realizing how much I still loved it since '77. Then everytime I saw the 20th Century Fox Log and Music come on, you knew it was Star Wars.
THEN- "For over a thousand years, Lucas put out 3 great movies, then the dark times, the SE, and the Prequels!" A man named Lucas betrayed and murdered those memories" From 1997, it went from loving SW to now bitching about what went wrong everyday, when Lucas should have let it end with Jedi.
For me now, I still love the OT, and can watch them any day of the week and twice on Sunday, as they have never gotten old to me, for that reason I have never gotten to old for SW.
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- #167492
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- Do you know who has a vintage OOT
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/167492/action/topic#167492
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- #167243
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- Uncle Owen and Kenobi added dialogue at the end of ROTS
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/167243/action/topic#167243
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(Kenobi pulls up to the Lars house with baby Luke and approachers Beru)
Kenobi: Hi, I am Obiwan Kenobi, and old friend of Anakin from the Jedi order
Beru: Oh, how is he doing?
Kenobi: umh..............he just burned up cause I chopped his legs off, but that is a whole nother story that I don't need to go into, but I have his son, Luke
Beru: Oh, how is Padme then?
Kenobi: umh............she just lost the will to live, because Anakin tried to choke her before he burned up and lost his legs, but again, I don't want to take too much of your time.
Beru: She lost the will to live, yeah right, she doesn't want to raise this baby alone, god forbid these kids these day grow up alittle
Kenobi: No, I'm serious, she just gave up!
Beru: That is the stupidest plot point, who is writing this stuff? Hey, Owen come here.
Owen: You're Kenobi right, you crazy old wizard!
Kenobi: Yo, what is with all the hostility?
Owen: I don't know, I have to say something in that effect to tie these two trilogies together, and make some sense of this mess.
Kenobi: Can you take this baby, I will be right down the road, about 15 minutes.
Owen: Why do we need to take him?
Kenobi: Well, here is the master plan I figured: If he goes with me, Anakin will sense him, but giving him to you, he'll never sense him, I even say we call him Luke Skywalker.
Owen: Lets see, keep the same name as his father, have him hide where his mother last lived and his stepbrother lives now, and that being the same planet he grew up on, that perfect, Anakin will never know!
Kenobi: So, you'll do it, I have to think of a million lies I have to tell your step-son in 20 years so I can totally contradict myself in the third movie because this damn director is going to keep changing his mind.
Owen: Alright, then I have to not like you for the next 20 years, even though we have zero interaction before, and nobody knows why I hate you, to keep with the story, I'll think you're crazy.
Kenobi: Oh, by the way, I am changing my name to Ben from ObiWan
Owen: Are you still keeping Kenobi?
Kenobi: Damn, another plothole! Just take the damn kid!
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- #167149
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- Now when I talk about SW, I have to specify the old ones!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/167149/action/topic#167149
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Here is total tickets sold for each SW movie: (Source: Boxofficemojo.com)
SW (1977) - 178,000,000
ESB - 98,000,000
ROTJ - 94,000,000
TPM - 84,000,000
AOTC - 53,000,000
ROTS - 59,000,000
Now putting aside rereleases and people knowing that the movie was coming to DVD in 6 months, no SW movie comes close to the original. In the summer of 77, everyone saw SW, not just the fans. You could recommend it to everybody cause it was a standalone movie. It wasn't about the Skywalker drama, or the Emperor plotting to take over, it was a simple movie of good vs evil, and it shows cause even ESB & ROTJ just equal as many people seeing the original, and they are still universally loved by the fans. The prequels you could see the dip, and as I said, the numbers are a little lower because of DVD coming out quicker, and the PT will never be re-released, but it is still not even close the the original, and substantially lower than the OT.
Pop Culture refers to a reference that any Joe Blow on the street will know, but doesn't necessarily have to like the subject.
For instance, President Reagan named a missile defense system to save our butts from Nuclear War after 'Star Wars'! Do you think he did it because he was a fan of the movies? No, cause every person in the US at that time new what that meant.
He called the Soviets the Evil Empire, and once said in a speech, "the Force is with us!" Everyone new what they meant, but Im sure they didn't run out and see ESB opening weekend.
In movies, bad guys are sometimes referred to Darth Vader, teachers are known as Yoda, and put two donuts on your ears and ask the person whose hairstyle that is? I guarantee they say Princess Leia.
The PT had none of these, and in fairness, that is how much a phenemenon the OT is, because most movies dont have ten million pop culture references. The Matrix has "Bullitt Time"
Alot of fans forget the impact of the original SW because it is titled Episode IV now, but at the time it transcended the summer blockbuster and movies in general. ESB moved the series to just SW fans liking it, and there is nothing wrong with that, just as the PT has brought in new fans, but as you notice the numbers decrease everytime. We may think the PT lovers audience is huge, but I am starting to have my doubts. Think how many of us seen the PT in the movies, some of us saw it twice, and most of us here don't like it or love it. And it still isn't up to the OT numbers, so I am starting to believe that the PT lovers may be alittle smaller than even I thought it was during this run of movies.
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- #166969
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- Now when I talk about SW, I have to specify the old ones!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166969/action/topic#166969
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I then said, "Which did you like better Lord of the Rings or Star Wars?"
He replied, "Of course Lord of the Rings, it is so much better."
I then said, "No, not the new SW movies, the old ones with Han Solo & Luke Skywalker."
He then said, "Oh, the old ones.........those movies are still great, I would probably take them over Lord of the Rings. I thought you were talking about the ones with Jar Jar!"
I then shook my head, "I don't recognize the ones with Jar Jar."
Just the fact that it is now the trilogy of Jar Jar, tells me it is a punchline now, and to everyone you have to specify older SW films and newer SW films if you talk about them now.
Can we send the PT to Kamino, and get Syfo-Dyas to erase it from the movie history files!
The cocky librarian could say, "If you can't rent the PT at Blockbuster Video, then it must not exist!"
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- #166914
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- First airing of ANH on TV
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166914/action/topic#166914
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Originally posted by: SilverWook
Some trivia about the CBS premiere. Star Wars had been pimped so much on pay per view and HBO, that by the time CBS aired it on "free tv" it actually got beat in the ratings by a trashy miniseries called "Lace".
Some trivia about the CBS premiere. Star Wars had been pimped so much on pay per view and HBO, that by the time CBS aired it on "free tv" it actually got beat in the ratings by a trashy miniseries called "Lace".
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I watched it hundreds of times on HBO in 1983, I remember back then they would show it 2-3 times a day, it was so awesome. By the time when it came to CBS in '84, it definitely wasn't an event like it was the year before on HBO.
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- #166828
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- EU books: A funny Lucas contradiction
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166828/action/topic#166828
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But then the first book after the Prequels is about? Darth Vader between Episode III & IV! And how do find out more about the Clone Wars? Watch the cartoons in 2004 & 2005! How do we get to know more about the prequels, read Labyrinth of Evil, because it gives more insight on alot of events that lead up to ROTS. But then again, don't, because they are not canon.
I never cared to read the OT books in the 70's/80's, cause they weren't these burning questions after watching each movie back then, it was all there, and if it wasn't there, it still made sense. Now you have to read some of the PT books to get more insight. But then again, they are not canon.
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- #166827
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- Questions about AOTC
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166827/action/topic#166827
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- #166825
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- Why Boba Fett is now bunk
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166825/action/topic#166825
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Boba Fett, The fate of Luke & Leias mom, The Duel, The Emperor, The Clone Wars, and the character of Anakin Skywalker is one reason why I now look back and wish the prequels were never made. Everyone one of those things I just named to me were underwhelming. It is my fault cause I wanted them before 1999, but the mystery of all these characters, and just the total mystique of what you 'thought' about each character made them more interesting than really seeing it on screen for three more movies.
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- #166601
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- You know you’re an O-OT fan when............
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166601/action/topic#166601
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I think it's very strange, but true that many prequel fans think the original Star Wars is the worst Star Wars film! How can you be a Star Wars fan that doesn't like Star Wars?! It makes no sense! It's my second favorite, just behind Empire. What I don't get is how someone could think Star Wars is boring but Phantom Menace is not. I mean, what the heck is so exciting about trade disputes, villians that have little screen time, the bumbling fool Jar Jar Binks or all those scenes on Tatooine? What's so thrilling about the scenes with Padme or her stunt double in the Kabooke outfits talking in the monotone voice about politics? And what's so exciting about those lectures about the midichlorians? And where's all the humor? In the fart jokes? I dunno.
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I contend why the original SW is not loved by alot of PT fans cause it is the only SW episode that doesn't focus on the Skywalker family drama. They watch the movie looking for stuff that just isn't in there, and the result is watching it in the wrong context.
When I just watch the original SW, because to me it is the first episode, not TPM, because I don't recognize the PT, I watch it as a basic good vs evil story that is part 1 of a larger story with more to come. PT fans are looking for Vaders struggle, because to them the saga is about him, in the original, he is just some really cool bad guy. They are looking for little things among the twin Skywalker kids that will lead to the redemption of their father, and in this episode, Luke is making the moves on Leia, just as Han is.
They watch the lightsaber fight thinking it is too slow, or why doesn't Kenobi jump around like Dooku, they're both the same age? Because Lucas original idea was that the lightsaber was like an Excalibur sword where you needed two hands to swing it around, and it was very heavy. Not until ESB, did he change it that it could be perceived as lighter, when Vader fights Luke one handed.
They want Corucsant, Yoda, The Emperor, because they were the stars of the PT, pssst. None of these characters were invented yet. Only the emperor is mentioned by a single line in the movie.
The think the effects are outdated, the movie is slow, and the music is nothing like the other movies. Well Lucas vamped up the effects in the SE, and you're still not happy? Remember it is his vision! The movie is slow because it takes it time to introduce each character, making each one take them to the next characters as they finally all converge on the Death Star. And also, the imperial march wasn't invented yet either.
That is why I believe you should watch the order if you do 4-6,1-3, because you can experience the original for the standalone movie that it is and if you love it, then you can follow the drama of Darth Vader and rise, fall, and redemption. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't love the original, I feel sorry for them, they are missing out on a true classic, it was loved by everyone in 1977, cause back then it was Star Wars, not the fourth episode of 6 that when watching it in order seems so out of left field from the prequels.
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- #166362
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- Someone please explain why there is a 50's diner in the Star Wars universe...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166362/action/topic#166362
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Originally posted by: Rebel Rouser
Every time you watch it? I find it funny that nearly everyone who claims to hate these movies so much spends so much time watching/rewatching them and constantly making them the focus of their free time on the internet.
I'm not trying to make this a personal attack at all, I'm just curious as to why.
Originally posted by: CO
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Everytime I watch that scene I think I am watching the original Back to the Future and waiting to see Marty McFly walk in with Kenobi, and say, "You built a time machine out of midiclorians?"
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Everytime I watch that scene I think I am watching the original Back to the Future and waiting to see Marty McFly walk in with Kenobi, and say, "You built a time machine out of midiclorians?"
Every time you watch it? I find it funny that nearly everyone who claims to hate these movies so much spends so much time watching/rewatching them and constantly making them the focus of their free time on the internet.
I'm not trying to make this a personal attack at all, I'm just curious as to why.
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I guess I should have said, Everytime I watched it, using past tense. When each prequel came out, I gave them more than a few shots cause I wanted to love these movies, but as I watched them more and more, the more I realized I was naive that they weren't great movies.
I admit it took me awhile cause I was a prequel defender up til ROTS, cause I thought that would be the next ESB. I never thought TPM & AOTC were great, but I kept saying, wait til ROTS, everything will make sense. And then when Lucas botched that movie, especially the turn scene, I started reevaluating the whole PT, and realized if Lucas can't make one damn good movie, whats the point? I will not lie and say I haven't watched the PT movies more than once in the past, but they are becoming a distant memory cause Lucas couldn't link the two trilogies, cause we keep asking questions like, "How does Leia remember her mom?" I just watch 4-6 now, and that bad writing crap doesn't exist to me anymore. That as honest as I could be about the prequels.
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- #166354
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- Someone please explain why there is a 50's diner in the Star Wars universe...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/166354/action/topic#166354
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
It is supposed to pay homage to American Graffiti.
It is supposed to pay homage to American Graffiti.
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You're 100% right, but it has no place in the SW universe. It is just another reason what went wrong with the prequels. That scene is out of place in AOTC, along with the cook Dex who knows all these secrets? Everytime I watch that scene I think I am watching the original Back to the Future and waiting to see Marty McFly walk in with Kenobi, and say, "You built a time machine out of midiclorians?"