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#210013
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Why the first two are better
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210013/action/topic#210013
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Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
It's not a seemless fit, natch, and I would hate to lose the third act of ANH, but it does show that a good deal of the trilogy's chips were cashed in a little too early, which left the final chapter a tad weak via the law of diminishing returns.



True, but I wouldn't give up part of the original SW ever. That is what makes the OT way much better than the PT, every movie had to sell themselves, or there wouldn't be a sequel. Lucas had to make SW '77 a standalone movie, or that would be it. ESB had to be great, or the series wouldn't continue. I think he ran out of ideas by ROTJ, hence why there is so much repititive plot points used from the first two movies.

The problem with the PT, and many movie series today, is they usually know there will be sequels, so they hold back on certain things, to keep the movies balanced. And what happens is you get a series of average/ above average movies, that all could have been better. TPM holds back older Anakin, so them movie is handcuffed with a 9 year old boy. AOTC is held back cause Anakin couldn't turn yet, so the movie seems like another setup movie. ROTS has everything thrown into it, and has to cover the every plot point missed in TPM & AOTC, thus feeling rushed.

I know ROTJ is inferior to SW & ESB, but I will take great movies anyday of a good trilogy where no movie really sticks out as great. The OT is a rare trilogy with 2 great movies, I'm thankful that it happened to be the one movie trilogy I truly love.

TPM = Sucks
AOTC= Average
ROTS = Good

ANH = Classic
ESB = Classic
ROTJ = Good

The results speak for themselves.

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#209834
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209834/action/topic#209834
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
I not gonna mail them, I have the 2004 set, and I am going be buying at least two sets of the original films, so I will 2 2004 sets spare, Im gonna give them away...

I just have a feeling that doing this could backfire. and any hopes of you guys getting/wanting a OOT release on another format in the distant future ever agian could disapear how ever much the demand would be, if fans are gonna react to this unlikely release by mailing their DVDs back to them and acting seemingly not grateful.and giving what Lucasfilm may see as a middle finger to Lucas, they may not be so interested in listening to the fans demands next time.



I always respect your opinion Mr Bungle, and may have to agree with ya on this one. I guess if we go out guns a blazin sending our disks back, we can kiss the O-OT on HD-DVD goodbye. I probably don't think we have that much power if we do send our disks back anyways, but I have to say, I may just buy the release and try to forget about George Lucas anymore, and just enjoy the O-OT.

I just don't know what it is anymore in that Lucas quotes and his attitude towards the fans just brings the worst out in me. I just wish he would just one time give us our due as loyal fans of the OT. Yeah, maybe we should reconsider this stance we are taking guys.
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#209777
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209777/action/topic#209777
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Lucasfilm, ltd.
5858 Lucas Valley Road
Nicasio, CA 94946
ATTN: George Lucas


Nice! I'm totally doing this. Who else is in? Let's make a list.



I have 4 friends who I have talked to already who told me they are doing it. They don't follow the SW gossip on the internet like me, and were all shocked when they found out they have to buy the 2004 SE with the O-OT. My one friend who doesn't bash the PT or even follows what Lucas says about anything said, "What is happening to Lucas, I used to really like this guy, it seems he is really milking us now."

I told him log on to www.originaltrilogy.com, then you can see what we have been fighting for.

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#209764
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209764/action/topic#209764
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Now all we need as an address. I suggest sending them to the ranch. I say that because I think that is where they will get the most noticed. I don't think that sending them back to the distributer (FOX, maybe) because then it just sits in the werehouse or something. The closer we can get the disks to Lucas the better.

Now...anyone gotta mailing address that isn't the address for the "fan club?"



Lucasfilm, ltd.
5858 Lucas Valley Road
Nicasio, CA 94946
ATTN: George Lucas

September 13th is going to be one of the busiest days of the year for the Postoffice!
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#209732
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209732/action/topic#209732
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Originally posted by:
Lucas claims he's not re-releasing the originals to appease fans, but rather to bate them. If you read what Lucas actually said, without the interpretation put on it by the "journalist", I think it's pretty encouraging. It suggests to me that he will be using sales of the new sets to determine popularity of the OOT vs. the SSE, despite packaging them together. This implies that if the set is very successful, LFL will continue to release the OT in future editions/formats, which I think we all hope for.



I do agree, and that is why we have to step up and all buy this set no matter how crummy it is. Lucas = $$$$$$$, and if this set makes a boatload of money, there is no way Lucas won't release this for the HD-DVD sometime in the future. So even though I still feel he is out of touch and arrogant, he seems like he is going to let the market do the talking.
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#209418
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209418/action/topic#209418
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I edited this interview just to what Lucas says about the O-OT, and it is amazing how much he disrespects the fans. I often wonder he lives in a bubble, cause I have never seen a director despise their own movies and the fans that loves those movies so much. Here is quote from MTV.com by Lucas about the Sept. 12th release:

05.11.2006 6:00 AM EDT

Until then, he says he’s curious to see what the reception will be for the upcoming limited-edition DVD release of the three original “Star Wars” films (see “Three Original ‘Star Wars’ Films (Finally) Coming To DVD — But Not For Long”). “It’s just the original versions, as they were,” Lucas said. “We didn’t do anything to it at all. But we’re not sure how many people want that.”

You might say quite a few, considering how many fans were angered by the digitized, expanded updates of episodes IV, V and VI. Lucas claims he’s not re-releasing the originals to appease fans, but rather to bate them. “Now we’ll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions,” he said. “It’ll all come out in the end.”

See everything we’ve got on “Star Wars,”“The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi.”

Want trailers? Visit Movies on MTV Overdrive for the newest, scariest and funniest coming attractions anywhere.

— Jennifer Vineyard

 

Mod Edit: a working link to the article above can be found here:-

http://www.mtv.com/news/1531527/george-lucas-says-indianas-next-crack-of-the-whip-will-be-tamer (and scroll down)

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#209066
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Why the first two are better
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209066/action/topic#209066
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Let me reiterate, I still love ROTJ, and I don't rank any prequel above it. I have a method I have been following for quite some time now of everytime I am in the mood for a SW movie, I try to watch SW, then ESB, then ROTJ, and then start over again at SW. In defense of ROTJ, I never watch SW & ESB, and skip ROTJ, or watch it every once in a while, so the movie totally works for me 100% as a trilogy. Last year, just to see this new saga, I tried 1-6, and about halfway through TPM, I started wondering, "Wait a second, everytime I do this 1-6 thing, I have to watch two crap movies, then a somewhat entertaining Episode III just to get to the good stuff in the OT?" I went back to 4-6 and never watched the PT again. And now once Sept 12th comes, I don't have to think of Hayden anymore while watching ROTJ. Yes, I admit I do watch the 2004 SE's, and thats what makes Sept 12th oh more sweet for me.

But if I just look at ROTJ comparing it to SW & ESB, it just lacks something the first two had. I can't describe it, but you know that feeling you have when you are watching a great movie, it just carries that gravitas that you don't second guess anything in it. In ROTJ, I do second guess some things, when I watch the original SW, that movies just carries a sense of joy and overall fun that no movie has ever been able to duplicate. Kenobi owns the first hour of that movie, as the talk between Luke & him in his hut is everything that Lucas did right about the OT. Luke, Leia, and Han have just perfect chemistry on the death star, and the trench run scene is the greatest space battle in movie history that is able to carry a sense of drama, action, and tension for a good 15 minutes. And who doesn't get that little smile on their face as Han & Luke receive their medals from Leia? It is cheesy, but damn it gets me emotionally every time!

And when I watch ESB, I am in a sense of awe of just the whole Cloud City part, Han being frozen, Luke getting his hand chopped off, Vader telling Luke his secret, Leia's relentlessness to find Han, and Lando pulling the greatest 180 of any character, and then Lucas being able to make him likeable to the audience by movies end. Hey George did you forget in the PT how to make characters likeable? When Chewy & Lando pull away and Luke & Leia and the droids look up at them as the camera pans away, you realize how great that movie is. Then you watch the PT, and wonder what the hell happened?

I just think that ROTJ gets lumped in with two classics, and that isn't fair sometimes. It is still great in its own way, and taken as a trilogy you will never see me complain about two classics, and a pretty good third act. Atleast the OT doesn't have 2/3 of its movies being setups. The PT crowd can have their trilogy, I'll be fine with the O-OT for the rest of my life.
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#208865
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Why the first two are better
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208865/action/topic#208865
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Originally posted by: zombie84

Yoda instructed Obi Wan. We dont see Obi Wan as Yoda's padawan but he does indeed instruct him, as he claims in ESB. Not a big deal. I think the OT has much bigger holes than this. "Certain point of view" ring a bell? At least we thankfully never had one that bad in the PT.



I will agree that the plot hole bonanza and lazy storytelling by Lucas started in ROTJ. But the reason they are not as noticable was everything was so general in the OT, we had to envision anything in that happened in the past.

Sure Lucas made up Luke/Leia sibling in ROTJ, but you could justify it because you never really met Bail Organa, or there wasn't anything from ANH that would make you say, "Wait a minute, that is a contradiction?" And just caused they kissed in ESB, that was justified to anyone that if they didn't know they were related to Leia, wouldn't you try to score with her? Sure when you finally find out, I would have brushed my teeth, but I guess there wasn't any toothpaste on Dagobah when Kenobi told Luke!

The OT had that luxury of not being specific, so when Lucas started making the galaxy so small in the OT, it wasn't that bad, even though you could tell he was changing the story around. In the PT, it had to be specific, so everything was noticable.

Padme dies at childbirth, but Leias says in ROTJ she died while she was very young. WTF? It is just a total contradiction, and the only explanation is force memories, and that is just a lame excuse. C-3PO being built by Anakin, Boba Fetts dad being the Stormtrooper Clone, and Yoda being boys with Chewy weren't plot holes, but they made the universe TOO small. The great charm of the OT was everyone kinda got thrown into the situation and wasn't meant to be there per say. The PT has one big coincidence after the other, and kinda cheapens the OT when you get to it.

We should have never seen secondary characters in the PT. The tuskens, Chewy, Boba Fett, even Jabba in TPM, all those should have had their entrance in an OT movie. I think Lucas tried to appease the OT crowd by using these tieins to make us feel nostalgic and everyone of them backfired, cause it just looked like he was out of ideas.

I still can't listen when C-3PO says in TPM, "My parts are showing!" It is stuff like that, you start to shake your head and wonder is this the same director who did the original SW?


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#208819
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Why the first two are better
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208819/action/topic#208819
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I am going to take a different take on this issue of SW & ESB being the best of the 6, be thankful!

Just for the record before I give my take, I love all OT movies alot better than the PT, but if I look at ROTJ not as a SW fan, but as a movie, it is a so-so sequel. But I still love it cause it has my characters I love, and continues and finalizes the story I got so entrenched with in the first two movies, but I will still say ROTJ is not a classic movie. In saying, none of the Prequels are good movies either, just from a movie point of view, infact by viewing the Prequels, I realized how much better ROTJ was, and TPM proved what a dud SW movie is.

I say we should be lucky because how many movie series have classic sequels? I love the Terminator, but T2 is very good, but not as good as the original. Same with Superman, Back to the Future, The Matrix, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, they are all classic originals, follow by either really good, good, or average sequels. The only one that comes close is Lord of the Rings Trilogy, but since they were filmed together, I tend to look at that as one big movie, not three.

SW was once in a lifetime shot for Lucas, and he deserves credit. Everything fell into place, perfect characters, perfect story, perfect editors, perfect effects, and perfect time for it to come out. I give Lucas credit for directing a classic, but that doesn't make him a great director. Alot of directors do direct one or two great films, and then a series of average ones after that. Lucas had American Graffiti and Star Wars, but Spielberg or Coppola he aint.

Andrew Davis directed The Fugitive, a truly brilliant movie in 1993, what has he done lately? Kevin Costner won a boatload of awards with Dances with Wolves, what has he directed since? Johnathen Demme directed The Silence of the Lambs, then Philadelphia, and went on to have a very good career, but nothing in the range of Lambs. There aren't many Spielbergs, Ron Howards, Coppolas, or Scorceses out there. And I wont say Lucas was lucky with the original SW, but that was his moment to shine, that was his movie, and he took advantage of everything he could to make it one of the greatest films of all-time.

So what did he do for ESB? Less. He got someone to write the screenplay, got someone direct, and took a pretty much hands off approach to it. He was building Skywalker ranch, while EVERYONE ELSE was using his ideas to make this great sequel. The reason ESB is nothing like SW, but still good? Cause Lucas didn't write or direct it, and if he did, it probably wouldn't have been as great. The one thing Lucas did on ESB that he never did again was take a chance. He made it darker, the bad guys win, and have a cliffhanger ending, I would have said he was nuts if I read the screenplay in '79! I would have said it has to be more like SW '77.

After that Lucas had his business, and sure he got Marquard to direct and Kasdan to write ROTJ, but you could see that the magic wasn't there on this one. It is still very good to me as a part of the OT saga, but when I compare it to SW & ESB, it pales. And you know what, that was bound to happen, you just can't keep churning out classic movies with the same story, it has never happened.

The PT, Lucas had total control, writing, directing, etc. Are you telling me he was going to make 3 classic movies again? Every series usually stalls at the third movie, it is just inenviatable. And the PT made SW go from really great movies, to fans accepting mediocrity. For the first time you hear fans saying, "Well, no film is perfect," or, "Yeah, the AOTC dialogue is bad, but I am not going to let it ruin the movie, " or "Yeah, Jar Jar is annoying, but you just have to put up with him." The new fans excepted that the movies were not great, and what was on screen was good enough for them. Just notice how they defend Jake Lloyd or Padme losing the will to live, they will come up with anything to justify what Lucas did.

In the OT, SW & ESB are classics and perfect, and I will defend them to anyone who says they are not, but ROTJ I will not sit there and defend it and say it is a great movie, but I recognize that it is SW, and I can live with one movie that is not a classic, but 4 out of 6 that are not great?

If ESB had been a good sequel, but not as good as the original, I don't think we would be here today. There would have been a ROTJ, but many would have viewed it just like Jurassic Park Series or The Matrix Series, except for the diehards: Great original movie, but the sequels were OK. And there would have been no prequels if ESB were average.

ESB is so good it makes me enjoy ROTJ more, cause it completes ESB, so in a sense that is the glue that makes SW-OT a saga, rather than your typical trilogy of great original, and so-so sequels. In saying this the original Star Wars is my favorite movie of all-time, and in 4 months, I can finally watch the real version again!
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#208728
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208728/action/topic#208728
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Originally posted by: zombie84
This is unsurprising--the original negatives were barely usable in 1993 when they were dug up for the Special Edition and restored, likely in a new Internegative and Interpositive. They caught them in the nick of time and had they waited a few more years the negatives would have been unusable. So it is no surprise that after thirteen more years of decomposition they are basically museum relics. But its no matter--the new 1993 Internegative made from the original 1977, 80 and 83 negatives is in pristine condition--this is what the basis was for the 97 SE. How did it look in theaters in 1997? Pretty good i think. So thats what the new transfers should look like.



I totally agree. I remember 'slick talking' McCallum said in the '97 Laserdisk SE Interviews that if they didn't restore the negatives back then, a couple of more years and they would have deteriorated to nothing. I think that is a hyperbole just to make a big deal that you should thank us cause we saved the Star Wars! I'm sure they were in bad shape, but the timing of the 20th anniversary and then saving the original negatives was too coincidental.

McCallum also said Boba Fett would be in Episode III, so I take him more with a grain of salt than I do with what Lucas says.

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#208143
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Star Wars Original Trilogy had 'it', but 'it' is hard to explain.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208143/action/topic#208143
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Maybe was Lucas a victim of his own success with the characters from the OT? They were so perfectly cast, so perfect in chemistry, and so likeable which gave us every reason to root for them.

By just the story of the PT, and even if the characters were cast better, wasn't it doomed for just a bit of a letdown? In the spring of 1999, I wondered about the PT alot, and this was before I knew about Jar Jar and the host of problems that would accompany that trilogy. I asked myself many times, "How is Lucas gonna strike gold with these new characters that are suppose to match up with the OT? I believed back then you can't strike lightning twice, and there was no way he was going to equal or outdue Luke, Leia, and Han.

It makes me believe that if even Lucas was going to hire a direct and a writer, he should have left well alone, and just kept the OT as is with no PT. Or in a sense created it that it wasn't one saga, and you had to look at it as two trilogies. I just believe there is too much comparing that makes fan like one or another, and in that respect it will never work as one saga. Someone said it earlier, "The OT had it, and the PT did not have it." I think that is reason #1 why they will never connect and always be perceived as two trilogies by most fans except the fanboys.
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#207716
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In defense of George Lucas!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207716/action/topic#207716
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Loved your post as usual, CO. I have to call you one minor discrepancy, though, since I'm such a huge BTTF fan. The "To Be Continued..." wasn't added until it was released for home video when they knew there was going to be sequel. And that's why you don't see it on the DVDs, because they were determined to get the original versions released (which is why I loved them, even though I grew up on the altered (and, for the sequels TV broadcast altered) versions). What Zemeckis said was that the cliffhanger ending (which would admittedly go well with a "To Be Continued..." was supposed to be a joke.



You're right, my mistake. I never saw it in the theater in '85, I remember renting it in the summer of '86 and saw to be continued....and I was hyped for a sequel. God, I sound like a SW PT fan, not knowing my facts on the Back to the Future Series! I guess I should stick to SW related stuff..........
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#207688
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In defense of George Lucas!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207688/action/topic#207688
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As I said earlier, anyone who hates Lucas personally takes it a bit far. But the thing that gets everyones goat and mine more often than not, is his constant revisionism of the SW saga. He is never willing to just admit he changed the story, etc. There is nothing wrong with that, Cameron did it with T:2, Zemeckis did it with Back to the Future II & III, and I'm sure the Wackowski's did it with Matrix 2 & 3.

The reason I get mad at this, is you have a whole younger generation of fans who are getting a different message mostly about the OT, but the saga as a whole cause Lucas refuses to say anything in the past he has done differently.

You don't know how many younger fans, mostly PT lovers, tell me that SW '77 was never a standalone movie, it was just a setup to a 6 part saga Lucas has planned in 1975. He has brainwashed them into believing the OT is the story of Anakin/Vader and not about Luke, so I have rarely seen any younger fan seeing 1-3 first, even like or love the original SW. Because they perceive the story as Anakins now in the OT, the only parts they find interesting are Cloud City & the last hour ROTJ that features Darth Vader. There are so many younger fans who find the Han, Leia, Luke parts boring or what they call 'exposition' to get to the real story. What they call exposition, I call them the heart of the saga!

It is not about Lucas changing his mind from 12 to 9 to 6 episodes, its that his ego won't say, "You know what, I originally planned 9 episodes, but I just didn't want to do SW my whole life, so I kinda changed around the saga using the PT to bring out Darth Vaders backstory, and even though the OT is about Luke, it makes Vader story much different now." Thats fair, instead we get, "The 9 episodes was a media fabrication, it was always about this father and these twins." -2004 DVD Documentary. But Lucas knows Darth Vader didn't become Lukes father til ESB, and Leia didn't become his sister til ROTJ!

Bob Zemeckis really struck me with his quote on the Back to the Future Commentary, "After the first movie, we put to be continued..., but it was a joke, I had no intentions of any sequels, until it became a huge hit. I never had this master plan of a trilogy like George Lucas did with Star Wars. It was always one self contained movie, and then Bob Gale and I wrote the next two movies totally out of the blue." Zemeckis could have lied, and nobody would have known, but he doesn't need to be revered as having everything planned out for his trilogy.

Sound like another trilogy we grew up with from 77-83? I just think the older fans get fed up with Lucas not ever just fessing up, and being humble. If Lucas would say today that Darth Vader wasn't Lukes father in the original SW, I wouldn't care. To me that would be interesting on the Episode IV commentary. I would love to know how & when Lucas decided to go with Vader as Lukes father. I would love to know what convinced him to do it, did he see the popularity of Darth Vader as that main reason? I would love to know when he decided to go with Leia as Lukes sister, did anyone joke, "You know George, they did smooch in the last movie?"

I would totally interested if George gave the real story of SW, how many notes did he really have back in 1975, how many episodes did he want to do? But I think it is the utter frustration that has built up for the past 10 years from fans knowing not that George Lucas is changing the story, that doesn't bother me, but that he never EVER admits it.

Just as he said in 2004, "If you want the O-OT on DVD, you can get it on VHS!" I don't hate him for statements like that, but quotes like that really makes it hard to love the guy anymore.
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#207621
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Star Wars in High Definition: OT clips from "Science of Star Wars" in HD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207621/action/topic#207621
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The problem with High Defintion DVD's is right now there are two competing companies: HD-DVD & Blue Ray, and each carry certain movie studios. So the problem is if you want to re-buy your movies in HD, you have to buy two players. It is such a stupid way to start off a new format, by having a war like this, but it seems to happen everytime. VHS & Beta, and DVD & Divx went at it. Usually someones wins early on, but it is does is delay any mainstream fans from getting involved. I am taking a wait and see until one of the formats wins, I think it will probably be HD-DVD, cause they are sponsored by Warner Bros, and they always try to keep the prices lower on DVD's to get more of a mass market, rather than a niche market like Laserdisk.

Because of this, I don't see any SW movies, SE or O-OT or PT coming for a couple of years. Lucas held out on DVD until 2001, and that format was 4 years old by then. So it will probably be the super duper SE in 2010 or something.
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#207591
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207591/action/topic#207591
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I saw this posted on theforce.net this morning, which confirms many posts above:

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MF.com's DarthFirst posted recently: "They're not using the 93 master - there is restoration happening to bring the original theatrical versions up to a level of quality that is expected from Lucasfilm releases."
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If this is true, then I will be dancing in the streets on September 12th. If this set is great quality and the original edition of SW via 1977 version, I will give alittle love to Lucas. So what if he is doing it for money, so what that we have to buy the SE, I can finally watch my beloved movies in great quality on DVD, and I don't have to give a rats ass about any changes in the future.

I am now going from cautiously optimistic to optimistic. I really think we are going to get our wish guys, keep positive.
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#207440
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In defense of George Lucas!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207440/action/topic#207440
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I will agree at how suprised alot of fans have reacted to this news. I for one will buy it, and I am cautiously optimistic that it will be good. I keep saying I just cant believe Lucas is going to put out some crap on Sept. 12th, I really don't, I think it will satisfy a majority.

As for Lucas, I have gotten to the point where I just don't care anymore. I have never hated the man personally, I think anyone who does takes it way too far. But he is disingenious on everything he does, and that kinda annoys me, and will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I look at it this way: on Sept 12th, I will buy this set that day, unless it gets awful reviews and the internet spreads that these are hack jobs. But I will go on the assumption that these are great transfers with great sound, and I am perfectly satisfied.

I won't give a rats ass about SW or George Lucas anymore, and that is not to be taken negatively to him personaly. The PT to me will be forgettable, it has its moments, but I have come to terms that I only love the OT, and that is life. But I will have my favorite three films of all-time on a format in which I feel I will be satisfied for the rest of my life. Sure if they come out on HD-DVD I am there, but if they don't, DVD quality is fine with me. It is like CD's, I have had a CD player since 1989, and I am happy with my collection, and not even followed if there is a better format to listen to music. I don't know, is there?

No matter what George Lucas says now or in 10 years, or 20 years about the OT, or whatever he changes for the Super Duper SE in 2007, or 2017, I could care less. If I am satisfied with these on Sept. 12th, he can't take them away from me anymore, he can't change anything anymore, and he cant badmouth them anymore.

Whatever his motives for releasing them, I have not thought twice about, and I am not taking it personally. I want these films so badly cause I want to enjoy them on a great format like DVD for the rest of my life. I have my motives, George has his.

For whatever I think of Lucas now, the bottom line is my point of reference of these movies is 77-83 anymore, and that is the way I will try to remember him by after Sept.12th. For that, I will bow to the man, cause I can't imagine movies with The Star Wars Trilogy. Nothing has compared to them, as I always get full enjoyment watching them. Whatever happened to post-SE George, won't concern me anymore cause the PT & the SE won't exist to me.

I can go back to thinking the duel between ObiWan/Anakin on this volcano planet was great, Leia and her mom went into exile, Anakin was cooler than Han Solo as a padawan, and midiclorians? Isn't that a seafood?

Guys, just be patient, I really think we will be happy on Sept. 12th.
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#207331
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207331/action/topic#207331
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Come on guys, we all need to chill out. I have been asking many questions to anyone who seems to have an idea of what is coming in September, but nobody knows. We all just can't start fighting and telling each other to F-off.

I am very cautious about this set, but an optimistic cautious. I am not an expert on 1993 transfers, D2, or any of this stuff you guys talk about, but in the end I just want something that is good DVD quality that will make everyone happy, and I have stated in everyone of my posts, I just can't see Lucas putting out some hack transfer that looks like shit.

As much as Lucas has burned us over the years, I still have faith that this set will make a majority of us happy, and the minority I think will always be bitching cause Lucas has burned them too many times.

I understand why fans don't trust Lucas, and I understand why fans hate him, but we have to just wait and see. The infighting here is so ironic, that we banded together to get something we really wanted, and now we finally got it, but don't know exactly what we got yet, and we are falling to pieces!

I mentioned a few months ago when IGN.com made the O-OT #1 on their list for most wanted DVD's, and that was the trench run in SW. And even though we won the battle, the war was still going on, it was just a first step. This is like ESB, we are definitely making progress, but there are couple of bumps in the road and it kinda looks like we are losing in some respects, and either we can stand together and be patient, or just give up. By early September, that will be the second attack on the death star in ROTJ, and this will finally be our chance to win this thing, lets atleast wait til then before we shoot ourselves in the foot. Trust me guys, we are still winning, but we haven't won yet.
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#207032
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk[

I want a beautiful new 16x9 transfer of the original edit of Star Wars with all of the original mixes available at the touch of a button. Not a 13 year old D2 master designed for obsolete formats, dusted off and thrown to us as a bone, because that's all this is going to be unless things change soon. They won't change with complacency.
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I am going to defend you here Neil, and I sort of agree with you. Now for the record, I have a high definition TV, and DD 5.1 and DTS Surround Sound, and though I don't know the history of sound remixes of the OT as many do here, I still think we should get top quality in a release. And yes, if it is less than stellar, call me a sucker, I will still buy it, but I probably won't be satsfied, but I will write to Lucasfilm NEXT WEEK on how I want a top quality release, and that I am confident they are going to oblige.

I look at it this way for anyone who says you want the original, you got it. For me, the original means, before all the dumb SE changes. I loved the OT films in the form they were from 1977-96, because that was before Lucas really started tampering with them. Now sure he changed the crawl in 1981 to Episode IV, and changed Beru's voice, and very minor things over the years, but the reason we want these versions is all the crap Lucas through in the 1997 release, and more crap in the 2004 release. 99% of here do not like that crap, and don't want to Hayden in ROTJ, don't want to see Greedo shooting first, or Jabba appear in the original SW. That is the reason I want these versions, and if Lucas can give me a DVD without Episode IV in it, then that is a bonus! I have so many different versions over the years, I am sure they have changed the sound mixes and picture quality, but each new version always seemed better quality, and that is why I bought them.

I look at this release like every other older movie I buy on DVD, I want the best quality they can reproduce. I bought Indiana Jones Trilogy on DVD in 2003, and sure the original was from 1981, but that doesn't mean it has to look like that on DVD! It was remastered from whatever negative to Anamorphic Widescreen in 5.1 DD, with an other sound options if you don't want a new mix. Nobody said when that trilogy came out, "You are not watching Raiders of the Lost Ark in its original form!" Of course I am not, but that is the point of DVD, I want DVD quality. If I want the original SW VHS or Laserdisk quality, I will find in my attic my VHS tapes, or I will continue to play my bootlegs that are fair quality at best.

I just want the same quality that every DVD that comes on the market today, the best it can bring. If we want the original version quality, then it shouldn't be anamorphic, so who wants that? I think Lucas should give the option of 5.1 DD or the original Stereo sound like Spielberg did with the Jaws DVD that came out last year. I for one love a new mix, but others love the original mixes, Spielberg did it, I am sure Lucasfilm can do it.

I am so happy this set is coming out and of course I am going to buy it, just like I knew I would buy the Indiana Jones Trilogy before knowing the specs in 2003, but again, there wasn't a debate there on how those films should be presented. Why is there have to be a debate on how the SW films should be presented, they should be of DVD quality, that we can toss away our VHS, Laserdisk, and bootlegs, isn't that the point of this all these years, I know I always felt this way.
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#206866
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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Originally posted by: Tiptup


At any rate, you're all acting as if this were the final battle. Have any of you complainers heard of Blu-ray? It is coming out this spring and it makes DVD look like a pile of shit. That will be the truly definitive way to watch the original trilogy for many years to come. That's what we need to think about, and if that means we let George Lucas rip us off here, I'm all for it. I enjoy the movies enough to pay even more money if need be.



I agree with ya here, the fact that George Lucas has gone back on his word about his vision and is ready to make more money from us tells me he is willing to release these again in the HD-DVD format.

I've always believed it was about demand, and by Lucas waiting almost 10 years since the SE, the demand grew more intense throughout the years. He has made us yearn for the O-OT! This isn't a release of the Star Wars Trilogy, this is a release of the original movies we saw from 1977-83, he has created two entities when they are the same damn thing!

By Lucas depriving me this set for years, and then not putting out in 2004, he has made me want this set more than ever. In a sense, through his sheer ignorance for the original editions, he has made me love them even more. I never ever thought once about Han shooting first in 1980 or 1985, but damnit that scene is something I notice now.

If this set sells like hotcakes, and I truly think it will, then Lucas will release it again sometime in the future for the HD-DVD format, he is a shrewd businessman and if this outsells the 2004 SE, he would be a complete moron just to release the SE in HD-DVD. He can look at the final numbers of each release and realize that a certain segment are not going to buy anything for the OT except the O-OT, just as there are certain segment who love the changes and want more. He has finally heard from us, and this is an about face, and I look at it as the glass half full, he has come around to us, and if its for money reasons only, who gives a shit!

Just remember there is always a demand for Full Screen from fans with small TV sets and alot of parents with younger kids who don't want black bars, and Lucas ALWAYS puts that version out even though it crops out 40% of his vision on every shot! And the last time I checked the 2004 DVD release had a fullscreen box set sold right next to the widescreen, so I highly doubt Lucas is always about vision, he is all about demand. And come September 12th, we have to make our wallets do the talking that Lucas has to realize that he may love the SE, but the majority of fans love the Originals.
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#206851
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Originally posted by: zombie84
Why do people think we are getting LD transfers? Theres no reason to believe that until someone from Lucasfilm states "you are getting the LD transfer", and then the entire DVD community would disown them. Hence, i dont believe we are getting the LD transfers. We are probably getting a new transfer of the original OOT print that was restored in 1993 in preparation for the SE.


thanks you, Me and some people have been also saying this. You poeple who are bickering are mere children. You fucking got want you've wanted for years and now you bitch *rolls eyes*. Watch the documentary on the bonues disc of the 04 DVD set there a crap load of OOT footage from the cleaned up 1993 print that will most likely be used for this release!



I did watch the 2004 OT Documentary, and I have to agree with you on this. There were shots of Han running through the death star and instead encountering a whole room of stormtroopers, he encounters 5-6, so that is definitely OOT material, they also show the death star blowing up without the ring, and there were a couple of other things too that were definitely OOT scenes. But I have to say it looked real good, and I would be very very happy with that transfer.

So again, we have to wait and see, but I just cant see Lucas putting out some shit transfers of this, the word would get around before the release from reviews, and the backlash would be severe. I am very confident we will get three quality DVD's to make a majority of us happy.
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#206729
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Soundtrack for Star Wars OOT DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206729/action/topic#206729
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I have been wondering the same thing since the announcement of 2.0 on the new set. Last night, I put in the 2004 SE OT DVD's and put on the 2.0 Dolby Surround and it did come up Dolby Prologic on my decoder/surround sound system, and ALL 6 channels were playing.

I compared it to the 5.1 DD for each movie, and yes, 5.1 was better and a little more deep, but it wasn't THAT much better that it pissed me off. If the O-OT in September has roughly the same sound in 2.0 as the 2004 SE OT did in 2.0, I will be satisfied.

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#206685
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The Future Of This Board
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206685/action/topic#206685
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To be honest, if the O-OT that comes out in September is very good quality, and I am satisfied with it, I think it will be closure for me on SW forums. I think this has been the driving force of frustration with Lucas and that has spilled over with the PT, but I have come to terms that the PT is what it is. I have never lost faith in the battle to bring this to DVD, so hopefully on September 12th, we the fans get a great transfer with great sound, and we can finally enjoy SW again like we did as kids.

But for the time being, there is chance this set could be shit, and we are back to square one, and I will probably hate Lucas forever. But I do have a feeling that this set will please a majority of the fans, so in that sense, I will retire from SW sites.
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#206575
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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I think we all just have to take a step back and see how everything turns out. I'm sure there will tons of reviews come late August, and we will be able to make our decision on whether these are good quality or just rehashes.

I have grown to hate Lucas these last 10 years, but I just can't see him putting out a crap product on DVD. Call me naive, but I still think this will satisfy the majority of fans who have wanted the O-OT, but of course there are always going to be some fans that are never happy.

I have one theory in that they are making these versions worse quality wise to prove a point that the SE are superior, and possibly turn the non-hardcore fans off about the O-OT. Lucas knows he can't change the diehards, but there are many younger fans on the bubble who have never seen Han shoot first. So in the end, many fans will just buy these just to have them for history sake, but will chose the SE for quality reasons in the end. This way Lucas makes his money, and he can say he released the O-OT. Just a theory......
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#206302
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Finally At Peace With Star Wars...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206302/action/topic#206302
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Last night was the first time in 10 years I felt no angst against SW fans I disagreed with. For the record, before the SE & PT, I never disagreed with them growing up, so one is the effect of the other.

But I have to say I am relieved I can watch my favorite 3 movies of all-time in the versions I love, and not think about defending something that may become extinct someday. There is nothing more frustrating then growing up loving the OT, and see a bunch of new fans take over the saga, and Lucas continually catering to their needs, "Oh, you guys want more SE changes, here you go!" "You guys want more CG in the next prequel, here you go!"

I don't give a rats ass what people say about the O-OT anymore, cause I can watch it on DVD, knowing that there isn't this definitive edition bullshit by Lucas, and the millions of fans supported from 77-83 don't exist. I don't have to hear that Hayden is the force ghost, or Greedo shoots first, or Jabba first appears in ANH.

Now every SW fan can watch what they want, and we don't have to debate which is the proper way of watching it. By Lucas releasing this version along with the SE in the same case, he saying to let the fans decide.

If fans want to watch Hayden's mug at the end of ROTJ, or see a wideshot of Mos Eisley, feel free, I don't have to anymore.



Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi

The saga FINALLY comes full circle for me Sept. 12th, and nobody can take that away.

I am at peace............................