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Post: #213646
Topic: Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213646/action/topic#213646
Time: 25-May-2006 10:04 PM

I agree, and I don't hate the man personally, or wish him death or anything. I actually respect the guy for being a family man in Hollywood, where most of the actors love the fame and are usually anything but a family person. I remember seeing Lucas at the AFI tribute last year, and you can see when it comes to his three kids, he is everything but an ego maniac, as he has a true affection for his kids, and sacrificed 10 years of his career after ROTJ to raise them on his own. Plus he adopted two kids, and I respect that alot.

It is only when he thinks of SW, that he becomes a different person, he becomes obsessed by his own ego, and that is what I don't like about him.

Personaly, I have no problem with the guy, but as for SW, lately I can't stand him.

Post: #213637
Topic: What sends the better message to LFL?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213637/action/topic#213637
Time: 25-May-2006 9:38 PM

I always look at every release and ask one question, Is it better quality than what I have now? The answer is still yes on this one. I have a thread where I compared non-anamorphic movies, and it aint all that bad. So yes, this will be better than the bootlegs we have, alot better. So right there as much as Lucas is raping us, we'll still get a better set than we had. Is it perfect? No. Is he is giving us the finger? Yes.

I am in the camp to buy it and show there is a demand for this product. We can't boycott it and then Lucas states, "See, I told you nobody wants these old versions!" We can't let the O-OT die because Lucas is a dick, it would hurt our cause.

This shouldn't just be about getting the O-OT on DVD, it is preserving it for future generations so they have a choice. Right now every new fan is forced to watch the SE, and if we can buy these sets and it sells like hotcakes, then Lucas the businessman will realize to get maxium dollar on future sets, he must include both version for it to sell well.

I have been saying for the past day, we have won the first battle. I mean he is recognizing the O-OT now, so he is eating big time crow. But we have to take our medicine with a non-anamorphic release, buy it in spades, and then make him realize that just as many fans want the O-OT as the SE. Lucas can't resist, he is too much of a businessman. I mean when has he ever kept his word?

Post: #213633
Topic: The Reason the OOT was released
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213633/action/topic#213633
Time: 25-May-2006 9:28 PM

That is a pretty good theory, but I still think they really don't know there is a demand out there for this set, and I think they are just as anxious as us to see the results. I just think the non-anamorphic release says they think it wont sell well, so they are not going to put too much money in this release. But if the results are positive to them that these sold well, then I believe Lucas will then change his mind.

I think they look at the outcry for the O-OT as a niche group who is yelling and screaming for them, not the masses. Whatever you want to say the 2004 DVD releases sold very well, so in Lucas's mind, who is really left?

But that is where if this set sells well, then Lucas can say, "I guess alot of fans were left, maybe it wasn't that niche group we thought it was."

I think the OT crowd has three groups now:

1. SE lovers
2. O-OT lovers
3. Both

And I think #3 is what Lucas is missing. I have three friends who bought the 2004 set, and enjoy it, but weren't as steadfast as me about wanting the O-OT, but all have stated on Sept. 12th they are buying it. And all of them tolerate Hayden in ROTJ, but I still think once they watch the O-OT for the first time in 10 years, they will wonder why they haven't clamored for it.

If this set sells well, then Lucas will realize the maxium audience he can sell future sets is to have both versions included, cause there isn't just one group of fans anymore who love the OT.

And I refuse to believe any bullshit in that press release, "We have no plans to release this ever again." That is just being a smart businessman, cause if they said, we will put out an Anamorphic Version in 2007, then who would buy this one? Devious yes, smart, yes.

Post: #213625
Topic: Time to accept what we are given and be grateful?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213625/action/topic#213625
Time: 25-May-2006 8:44 PM

I changed my stance offically last night, when I popped in a bunch of non-anamorphic DVD's on my HDTV that I have had since I got my DVD player. I never thought to ever watch non-anamorphic DVD's since the first day I bought the TV, cause I assumed it was shit. And you what, it is inferior, but not nearly as much as I thought. I and many others here assume non-anamorphic is shit, and I will say from viewing non-anamorphic DVD's on my 50" HD Widescreen TV, they are far from shit. And my conclusion is, that they will be way better than our bootlegs, infact way better.

Is it still insulting, your damn right it is, and I think we keep fighting and putting pressure on Lucas til September 12th. But when it is all said and done, I think we should buy it. As I said, this will be the best version of the O-OT any of us will have in the present day, I am going to go out on a limb and say Anamorphic is better, but I think for alot of olders movies, it isn't that much of a difference where it is jarring.

Lucas has us by the balls, if we boycott, he says, "See I told everyone nobody wants this set of my original vision." and he still makes money cause someone is going to buy it, and the O-OT dies in the wind. But if we step up, and kind of take our medicine, then it will show Lucas there is a demand, and if he knows he can make money in the future, HD-DVD of the O-OT is an almost certainty.

Guys I look at this fight in the bigger picture, if Lucas begins to release these versions because of heavy demand in the future, then the next generation will have that choice, and that is what Lucas has always been against. To him it was his way or no way, but this is the first time he is kinda going by what the consumer wants. So this is almost like fighting for the next generation of fans that should see Han shoot first.

I honestly think that Lucas really believes nobody wants this, and that is why they are not taking any time to really do this right. I actually believe him now when he said a couple of weeks ago, "It will all come out in the end." I think we have to buy this set, to show the man that his original vision is the one we love.

Either way he is making money, so I don't even think about that anymore. Why not in the process of him raping us atleast show him a huge demand for these movies, and still be able to enjoy the 3 movies in the best quality we will have via 2006.

It ain't perfect guys, but I still believe this is a huge step, he had to eat crow and recognize these versions, that was half the battle. Now lets make him realize we will spend just as much as the SE crowd will in the future.

As Princess Leia says in Star Wars, "It aint over yet!"

Post: #213532
Topic: I just compared my 'Hoosiers' Anamorphic & Non-Anamorphic DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213532/action/topic#213532
Time: 25-May-2006 4:48 PM

I want to reiterate that my post was not to say I was esctatic with the non-anamorphic image, and I did see a difference when really comparing the two. You can see detail much better in the face tones of the anamorphic movie.

The only reason I really posted was just to ease everyone that non-anamorphic DVD master wasn't shit on my Hoosiers DVD. It wasn't repulsive, it didn't stick out as soon as I turned it on, and I watched a good part of the movie putting in my mindset that this was the only DVD transfer I had, kinda of that this was the SW release and there was no other option, and I was suprisingly happy.

I watched a good amount of my old non-anamorphic movies, all of which I had to blow up to 16 x 9 zoom, and everyone of the was suprisingly good to me. Were they great? No way, but they weren't shit. If I had to say either leaning towards very good to shit, I would still lean toward very good, probably giving them a B+ grade. I compared all those non-anamorphic movies to my Star Wars OT bootlegs, and they blew away the quality of the OT. When I put on my bootlegs, I did notice the quality drop, and it felt like I was watching a laserdisk movie.

I just think that even a non-anamorphic movie will blow away a laserdisk movie in quality anyday. I may not know what I am talking about, so feel free to correct me, but I have seen laserdisk movies over my friends house, and none seemed as good as my non-anamorphic DVD's.

The reason I changed is I think even non-anamorphic OT on DVD will be so much better than what we have now compared to our bootlegs. I am going to bitch and moan to Lucas to reconsider. But if we lose, and that is a possiblity cause he is being a prick, than I think we have to show him there is a demand for this set, and if we boycott, he wins and says, "See, nobody wanted them, I told you it wasn't worth it to release them."

Either way, Lucas wins, why not atleast enjoy them on our end.

Post: #213352
Topic: I just compared my 'Hoosiers' Anamorphic & Non-Anamorphic DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213352/action/topic#213352
Time: 25-May-2006 6:29 AM

Originally posted by: Scruffy
Yeah. Hoosiers was a late generation LD, made in 1995 (possibly with the intention that it would be used on DVD when the format was finalized). The Star Wars LD predates that by several years. I don't know how much (if any) the state of the art changed in the interim, but I wouldn't use the later product to set a lower limit for the earlier product.

Also keep in mind the film elements of ANH and ESB were older at the time of telecine than Hoosier's were when it was scanned; with Lucas's admission that some of the ANH film stock was bad, there's more evidence that the SW laserdisc master was poorer than that of Hoosiers'. The greater image area of the latter may also serve to mask artifacts; any small error in the neg/print, transfer, or encoding will be proportionately larger on a 2.35:1 film than a 1.85:1 film (since we're holding horizontal resolution constant).

I'm just not confident that Hoosiers is the best predictor for the quality of the SW DVDs. If I'm only allowed one data point to predict a trend, I'd prefer it to be as close to SW as possible -- same aspect ratio, same photographic stock and techniques, same age when the transfer was made, same postprocessing, etc.

I agree, and I am not saying since Hoosiers is pretty good, that Star Wars will be. I also put in Wargames, which is a non-anamorphic movie from 1983, and that was one of the first DVD's I bought in 1999. I have to say, again, it was a little grainy because I had to zoom to 16 x 9, but still not that bad.

I plopped in about 8 non-anamorphic movies last night that I know come from Laserdisk masters, and I was suprised none of them struck me as shitty quality where I was pulling my hair out. I am not happy about this non-anamorphic announcement at all, but I have to say this is the first time I have really watched movies on my Widescreen TV that are non-anamorphic, and I even think I overrated how bad they were, cause I was pleasantly suprised with every image on every DVD.

My whole point to this thread was, if I just walked into the room and saw all these movies on my TV, and someone told me they were Anamorphic, I probably would have believed them, it just wasn't that noticeable, as if I walked in on a VHS movie, then I would be able to tell the difference within seconds. Remember these aren't new movies that were released in the theater last year, so I don't expect perfection anyway.

Again, I am still pissed at Lucas for being a dick, but my love for these movies are so strong, I think I personaly will still enjoy them in the quality I think we are getting.

Post: #213236
Topic: I just compared my 'Hoosiers' Anamorphic & Non-Anamorphic DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213236/action/topic#213236
Time: 24-May-2006 10:41 PM

Originally posted by: (Scruffy)

Then the Emperor has already won.
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Trust me, I am not saying give up the fight. I called Lucasfilm to complain last night, and I emailed them this afternoon. By no means, I am saying, "This is great, enjoy it guys." I want Anamorphic more than anyone here. Everyone who has a widescreen TV is probably the most vocal about Anamorphic cause it effects our experience the most.

My whole point is I just put in a movie that is non-anamorphic, and I enjoyed it, and wasn't complaining. And I thought when I put in the anamorphic disk, it would stick out like VHS to DVD. I remember getting a DVD player, and then doing the comparsion to VHS tapes, and laughing at how noticeable the difference, and wondering how all those years I watched crap on VHS.

I didn't do that tonight with non-anamorphic. Was it worse quality, Of Course it was. Was it huge where it is gonna stop me from buying these movies, I don't think so.

Trust me guys, I know I am going to get alot of heat for this post and how I feel now, but I have to be honest.

Post: #213227
Topic: I just compared my 'Hoosiers' Anamorphic & Non-Anamorphic DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213227/action/topic#213227
Time: 24-May-2006 10:18 PM

Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
Can you make some screencaps?

I'm sorry, but I just don't have the stuff on my computer to do this, and I hope I dont' lose credibility, cause I can understand anyone who is suspect of this post.

I have had a HighDef TV since Jan 05, and I have never really watched a non-anamorphic movie since, because it was insulting to put that crap on this great TV. The Hoosiers DVD is the only DVD I have to compare Non & Anamorphic.

But I did put in some of my early DVD buys that I haven't watched because they are non-anamorphic:

Crimson Tide (1995)
Romancing the Stone (1984)
True Lies (1994)
The Abyss (1989)
Home Alone (1990)
Breakdown (1997)
Patriot Games (1992)

All these movies are non-anamorphic and taken from laserdisk masters, and I have to say they were all pretty good, and if the O-OT was this quality, I really wouldn't complain.

Trust me, I put in my Lord of the Rings DVD's, and they are just stunning, but as I said, it wasn't like when you watch a VHS tape, or even my SW OT bootlegs, where you see in the first 5 seconds the quality drop. I never had a laserdisk player, so I can't tell you about that quality.

For anyone who has any non-anamorphics in you collection, whether it be a widescreen TV or not, put it in and then put in an anamorphic DVD from that time period. I tried to find older movies that are non-anamorphic, so it would be of that time of the 1993 laserdisk they are taking it from.

I know Lucas is a dick, and trust me, I have been enraged since finding about this shit he is pulling, but I am just being honest, I really think I am gonna buy them, cause there wasn't that HUGE of difference where I would say within seconds, "This is just shit quality!" All those Non-Anamorphic DVD's were actually pretty good I watched scenes from tonight. Not spectacular, but not worth the boycott of missing the movies I love.

I am sorry guys, but I have to say I have done a 180, but atleast it was from a comparison, so I am being honest with myself.

The only thing I can tell you guys to do is maybe rent a DVD from Blockbuster that is non-anamorphic and do the comparison yourself.

Lucas is fucking us, so might as well enjoy the movies we love, instead of seeing Hayden in ROTJ!

Post: #213215
Topic: I just compared my 'Hoosiers' Anamorphic & Non-Anamorphic DVD's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213215/action/topic#213215
Time: 24-May-2006 9:36 PM

99% of my movies are anamorphic, but I was able to find my original Hoosiers DVD I bought back in 1999 that is Non-Anamorphic, so I thought I would compare it to the Anamorphic 2005 Version I bought last year.

First off, I have a 50" Widescreen RCA High Definition Television, and since I bought it last year, I have refused to watch any non-anamorphic movies, but this is the first time I actually popped one in there to compare.

I have to say guys, there wasn't that much difference. Sure the anamorphic was more detailed and better, and I did have to use my 16 x 9 zoom to blow up the non-anamorphic image to make it look exactly like it does on the anamorphic DVD. But I kept switching disks, and going to exact scenes, and I gotta say it wasn't as obvious I have always thought it would be.

Sure, this is Hoosiers, remastered by MGM, so it isn't going to be the most spiffy DVD to begin with, but I started watching the non-anamorphic for about 15 minutes, and I really am being honest it didn't bother me one bit, and I didn't yell at the screen on the edge of my seat ready to pop in the anamorphic disk.

Is Lucas still a dick, yes. Do I want Anamorphic, YES!!!!!!!!!! But the non-anamorphic Hoosiers was taken from a Laserdisk master from 1986, and I have to say, it wasn't that jarring that I wouldn't watch it. And if the SW O-OT is off this quality, I wouldn't really complain.

I don't know guys, out of principle we shouldn't buy it, but I am really starting to reconsider....

Don't bombard me with hate emails guys, I am just trying to give you an honest opinion of a 20 year old movie that I have just compared Anamorphic vs Non-Anamorphic.

I still hate Lucas for being a prick to us anyway if you want to read my thread earlier tonight.

Post: #213193
Topic: The Chronology of How My love for Lucas has fallen
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213193/action/topic#213193
Time: 24-May-2006 8:50 PM

With all the talk of the O-OT debacle Lucas has put upon us, I started to think what happened? I was talking to a friend on how this guy was god to me even in the mid 90's. But as I started to read about the OT, I started to realize that Lucas wasn't everything that he proclaimed to be with Star Wars. To me it is not about his vision, it is about that he owns the movies, and that is why he does what he wants. Here is the timeline of Lucas's fall from grace according to my SW fandom, and see if you agree:

1977- Blown away as a 5 year old kid seeing SW in the theater, my favorite movie to this day.

1980- He did it again. I was expecting SW II, but that was more of expecting the same story with just bigger effects. But Lucas did one better, and took a classic and made it one better with this classic.

1983- I loved ROTJ as an 11 year old kid, wasn't as good as the first two, but way better than any sequel at that time. It had a happy ending and in a sense it was closure to my childhood to becoming a teenager in the next year and a half.

1983-1996- Still love the OT, but finally realized there would never be 7,8,9, so the saga did end in 1983. Whenever it is on HBO, or TBS or any channel, I would always watch it. It would also be the only videotapes I have ever owned, as I wasn't a movie collector, except for SW.

1997- The SE comes, and was amped to see it in the theater again. The magic was still there that first night, SW was back! But wait.......Did Greedo shoot first? I don't remember that song in jabbas palace in ROTJ? Oh well, it was something different, but I still kinda like the originals, I think Lucas was just using this as a selling point, he can't be recognizing these SE can he?

1999- TPM comes out, WTF? I walked out of the theater, and wondered what the hell happened. I went back again, and kept denying myself that this is a bad movie. It can't be, this is George Lucas, he doesn't make bad movies? I defended him to all the bashers, "This is just a setup movie, you have to wait for everything to play out."

2002- AOTC comes out, uh ohh. I walked out of the theater with my friends, and dead silence. One friend said, "OK, he's 0 for 2!" This can't be a bad movie, this is George Lucas, ahh, the critics hate him that is why I am tainted. I see it again, and then I start to second guess if George Lucas is this genius.

Summer of 2003- I begin reading up on the history of SW. As huge of a fan that I was, I never really read about that much of what went on behind the scenes. I'll be honest, I thought Lucas wrote & directed all 3 OT movies! Wait a second, Kershner directed ESB! Kasdan wrote ESB & ROTJ! Gary Kurtz produced SW & ESB, and left for creative differences? Ralph McQuarrie painted all the visualization that Lucas says is his vision. Lucas doesn't really tell John Williams how to score the music, is that why it is so great? Lucas didn't edit any of the OT movies? Why didn't I just read the damn movie credits for the hundred times that I watched the films, and I would have seen that Lucas didn't do squat after SW '77.

2004- DVD released, very hyped thinking it will be both SE & O-OT. Then on the internet- Sebastian Shaw erased for Hayden? Are you fucking kidding me! "The O-OT does not exist anymore, and if you want it, go buy it on VHS, I am not wasting money remastering it." Alright George, why the hostility, I like you and all, but that is alittle insulting.

2005 - ROTS comes out. OK, this is the story, Lucas is going to hit a homerun. I leave the theater stunned, stunned that the movie is alright. It was better than the first two prequels, but still has so many prequel problems, I start to wonder, is Lucas that great? Is he overrated?

He did everything on SW '77, but many other filmakers have one of two hits in their careers but arent' considered gods? Johnathen Demme did The Silence of the Lambs, Andrew Davis did The Fugitive, heck Kevin Costner did Dances with Wolves. Now I am starting to suspect Lucas is not this great director, he is not a great writer, and he is obsessed with CG.

2006- The O-OT is released, and I am esctatic! Finally, I never understood the hatred for Lucas from many fans for the last few years, so I was ready to give George a big thank you in September. Two weeks later, Non-Anamorphic! That is was a huge 'Fuck You' to every fan who supported him from 77-83. I have been pissed off for a week now, and I can honestly say I hate the man, because he is an arrogant prick. He is doing this out of spite, plain & simple, he is afraid if they are as good quality as the SE, fans may actually choose this edition, and Lucas's ego can't handle that.

He has gone from God to what I think is an arrogant asshole, who is overrated as a director, who can't write a lick of dialogue, and has zero respect for the one set of movies that made him king of the world, while he hangs his legacy on a ruined OT SE, and three average Prequel movies that are only loved by fanboys. And the fact that he didn't even direct ESB & ROTJ, but changes the movies to his vision is insulting to Kershner & Marquand. He should be kissing Kershners ass for how great that movie is.

It was a long road since 1977, but I can't believe I would say this George, "I really do hate you now."

Post: #212736
Topic: The Official Lucasfilm Response
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212736/action/topic#212736
Time: 23-May-2006 8:50 PM

I got my response this afternoon too, and it was exactly as above. I was suprised they forgot to put a huge middle finger draping the letter. This is more than insulting, this is the ultimate 'fuck you' by Lucas. I can't believe Lucas has made me hate Star Wars now, as I always retorted from taking cheap shots at him like many around here. But chalk me up to someone who now thinks Lucas is total prick for how he is treating the fans.

My marriage to Star Wars: May 25, 1977 - Sept. 12, 2006

Goodbye George, you will never get a penny from me again as you tamper and ruin my three beloved movies.

Post: #212082
Topic: You know, we kind of asked for this...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212082/action/topic#212082
Time: 21-May-2006 5:45 PM

In some ways I agree with ya, but in others, I totally disagree.

As for Anamorphic, it is an industry standard and has been since 2001, every DVD is encoded in Anamorphic, even crap titles like Gigli. This should be of good quality, that was always a given, because if we wanted Laserdisk quality, why would we want DVD's?

But as for the specifics after that, I was always afraid this would happen. I think many of us differ on what we want on these movies, or what the O-OT exactly is.

For me, I think it should be exactly like the E.T. release on DVD. Both versions, original & SE, both have the same exact transfer, and the only difference is the special effects & changes that Spielberg put in 2002. Both have 5.1 DD, and 2.0 Dolby Surround which it was in the theaters in 1982.

I thought the O-OT should have the same quality as the 2004 DVDs, except the bad lightsabers and the wrong surrounds used for ANH score. They both should be 5.1 DD, and 2.0 Surround like they were in the theater. I want to be able to choose between the SE & O-OT without any difference in quality. Now I know if I want great quality, it is probably going to be the SE.

Now, as I have read lately, that is not what everyone wants, and that is the dilemma we face for not being specific.

Post: #212039
Topic: Will the OOT *even* be DVD9?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212039/action/topic#212039
Time: 21-May-2006 2:24 PM

Originally posted by: greencapt
This is just a speculation and not based on any evidence, but do you even think that this "bonus material" will even rate a DVD9 transfer? I mean, wouldn't it be less expensive for LFL to just throw them on single layer discs?

If that is true, then it is like we have gasoline poured on us by Lucas already, and then he is going to throw a match at us and see us stop, drop, and roll.

Post: #212034
Topic: Torn.... To buy, or not to buy.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212034/action/topic#212034
Time: 21-May-2006 2:03 PM

This is a very tough question, and I am torn on it. Lets assume they are announced as Non-Anamorphic:

In principle I don't want to buy this set, because it aint going to be any better than what we have now in form of our bootlegs, and it is almost insulting that Lucas would even release something with the SW name on it in such bad quality.

However, if this set sells with huge numbers, and comes close to 2004 DVD sales, how could Lucas not release it again?

On the one hand by us not buying it, we are setting a statement that giving us shit, you dont' get our money in return, and the sales suffer, and Lucas comes to the conclusion that it is a niche fanbase that wants these, and he could do without them.

On the other hand we buy them in spades, and finally Lucas realizes there is two SW fanbases that are roughly equal: SE fans/ O-OT fans. So as any smart businessman knows of the next release, you don't want to sell to just one fanbase while alienating the other fanbase who is just as eager to plop down more money. So the future HD-DVD release of the 2007 Saga boxset would have to have both versions in the set to make the maxium cash from the fans.

If Lucas could just put this out in Anamorphic, this decision could be easy, and we could see a true number of fans that want this set. But if it is non-anamorphic, I am still undecided, but out of principle I really am offended by this set.

Do we look short term and not buy it and feel a sense of sticking it to old George, or do we suck it up short term and buy a crap product to keep the long term perspective of HD-DVD and a great remaster?

I'll tell you Sept. 11th.

Post: #211893
Topic: $36 pre-order (AR) for all 3 titles...anyone found it cheaper??
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211893/action/topic#211893
Time: 20-May-2006 11:11 PM

Yes, I found it cheaper, goto www.ebay.com, they are selling them in non-anamorphic widescreen 2.0, unfortunately their illegal, but they will be the same as the Sept. release.

The best way to save money buying the OT = Break the law

Post: #211728
Topic: Are you gonna buy 'em?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211728/action/topic#211728
Time: 20-May-2006 10:11 AM

Anamorphic Widescreen = Yes

Non Anamorphic Widescreen = NO F***in Way

I am still hoping our letters and emails that have flooded Lucasfilm the last few days make a difference, but if they are not anamorphic, there is no way I am buying this, cause it will look like total crap, and I am not goint to pay 60 bucks for something I already have.

Lucas had me buying this opening day with the original specs: Anamorphic Widescreen, 2.0 Dolby Surround, and I was there the minute Best Buy opened. But if this rumor is true, he is pissing on the fans, and it shows me he doesn't want them to be good quality so the next generation will never want to watch these over the SE. Plus it is a nice jab at us to say, "You want em, you got em, you just were never specific."

If these are non-anamorphic, F-U George, I will be retiring from giving a crap about SW anymore. This is the final straw of a bitter divorce with his OT fans going on 10 years now. Sept. 12th, the divorce may be finalized. But as always, there is a chance at a reconcilization..............

Post: #211504
Topic: We have less than 4 months, lets not give up now
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211504/action/topic#211504
Time: 19-May-2006 3:33 PM

I have been very dejected after all the news of this bogus non-anamorphic crap Lucas is pushing on us. The worst part is the announcement two weeks ago, and being so happy, and then getting the rug pulled out under us makes it even worse.

Last night I was about to give up, and just say screw it, and put up the white flag. But we have alittle less than 4 months til Sept 12, why not fight til the end. Tell everyone you know to email, call, and write to Lucasfilm. We have gotten this far, what is 3 more months?

Once Sept 12th comes, and it is crap, we can put our hands up and say to George, "You won, you piece of shit!" But if this is released in a quality way that is to our likings, we wil have fought the good fight, and won.

This is my last stand, if it is crap Sept. 12th, I am not going through this again, I will not fight for the O-OT when the ultra super duper HD-DVD box set comes out. By then I really won't care anymore.

Post: #211088
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211088/action/topic#211088
Time: 18-May-2006 3:04 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark

See I don't mind argue with someone from the other side, and I have no problem with diverse opinions coming in here, but if you're gonna post stuff like this, why even bother?

cause he's a fuckin' idiot.

Wow. Curse words and everything.

Here's the thing.

The SE are the movies. Period. End of story. You want a Star Wars DVD with all the bells and whistles? They've been out for months. The OOT is the equivalent of a DVD extra. No different than deleted scenes. The OOT is now a earlier draft of Star Wars.

My side of this, and I know its a useless argument, especially in here. Is that these aren't your movies. GL, no matter how much you hate him... made these flicks, he busted his ass to get them made, he had the foresight to make sure he had total ownership of them. All because he believe that a movie is a piece of art, something that the artist can do to whatever he/she wants to. Up to and including adding a new Ewok song.

Maybe if people would take one tiny little second to respect the guy's art. You'd be able to enjoy these movies again. CGI Jabba the Hutt and all. Until thats possible, it'll be thread after thread about widescreen transfers, Greedo shooting first, crappy DVD cover designs and whatever else is the latest "Lucas kicked by puppy" complaint of the day is.

I understand his vision and how he wants the movies today, but why did he release Fullscreen versions of the SE in 2004? If he was so steadfast about his vision, why would he let 40% of his vision get cropped off of every frame see the light on any DVD release. Shouldn't he have taken the stance like the O-OT, "I don't care if there is a market for fans with small TV screens, this is my vision."

I understand your point on the O-OT, but I never understood how Lucas could release a fullscreen version of SW, that to me is sort of hypocritical when he talks about vision?

Post: #211075
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211075/action/topic#211075
Time: 18-May-2006 2:36 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Boy, the SE DVD's are really nice.... not Anamorphic or anything. Sweet.

See I don't mind argue with someone from the other side, and I have no problem with diverse opinions coming in here, but if you're gonna post stuff like this, why even bother?

Post: #211049
Topic: Make your voices heard! (again) - re the 2006 GOUT DVD being in letterbox format
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211049/action/topic#211049
Time: 18-May-2006 1:49 PM

I called over to Lucasfilm, and the receptionist wouldn't put me through to anyone, and said just to write a letter about your displeasure over the matter. I was very respectful, and she was very nice, she said they just don't have any representatives on call to deal with those matters.

I will be writing my letter this afternoon.

Post: #210645
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210645/action/topic#210645
Time: 17-May-2006 6:54 PM

Non-Anamorphic DVD's are so crummy, companies stopped releasing like that in 2000. Companies like Fox, Paramount, and Disney's early releases were non-anamorphic, and you do see a huge difference in the resolution, even if you don't have a widescreen TV.

I am going to have a wait and see attitude on this one, but if it is true:

GEORGE, YOU CAN KISS MY ASS!

I never talk like this on the internet, and I never like when someone posts something personal about Lucas, but this is insulting to every fan who has wanted this. This is Lucas sticking the middle finger at every one of us saying, "You want great quality, you're going to have watch Hayden in ROTJ and Jabba in ANH."

Everyone stick with your bootlegs cause even if its slight better quality, is this what we fought for all these years, underwhelming quality? Lucas may be used to it with his PT fans accepting mediocre quality from his last 3 films, but there is no way I am buying this set, and I don't give a rats ass if it ruins the HD-DVD effect on him ever releasing that.

I can live with 2.0 Dolby Surround, but non-anamorphic, I'll keep my bootlegs.

Post: #210526
Topic: What are you going to do with your SE discs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210526/action/topic#210526
Time: 17-May-2006 4:28 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

I totally understand that some folks didn't like the changes, so to get in an arguement about the merits (or lack thereof) would just be a waste of time..... I'm hopelessly outgunned here.

But, I do not think that the SE somehow made the films these unwatchable piles of garbage. Especially ESB.... which is pretty much the same movie..... it's still SW.

It is not about who is right and whose wrong about what changes are better. Lucas made a decision years ago to suppress the O-OT, and never gave the fans the choice to pick which one they wanted, that has been my only beef through the years. Once Lucas releases this on Sept. 12th, I could care less what changes he makes for the next edition, because there now is a choice.

Is ESB that much different, I agree on that, but ANH is alot different, and so are parts of ROTJ. The insertion of Hayden in ROTJ and the insertion of Ian McDiarmid in ESB changed the SE from updated effects to tie in with the PT. And everyone knows there were more changes to come in the OT in the future. I guarantee there will be the Emperor inserted dissolving the senate in ANH SE 2007.

Now for fans of the PT who see it 1-6, that is great for them, but it is a different experience then just watching it 4-6 from 77-83. It is just like watching a movie colorized, it is a different experience even though it is the same movie. Ted Turner tried to colorize many movies in the mid 80's to appease my generation who were teenagers, and it backfired on him, and he stopped doing it.

To me it is all about choice, and after September 12th, the choice will be there on the best format of how to watch SW OT. If the so-called whiners didn't whine for the last few years, then fans would only get to see the SE, and to me that is not a choice.

Post: #210506
Topic: Why the first two are better
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210506/action/topic#210506
Time: 17-May-2006 3:47 PM

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I don't mind that the secrets are given away in the prequels simply because we're not supposed to see them first! We watch the OT. All the secrets are revealed over the course of the trilogy. We're enraptured. We think, "Wow. That's all pretty cool. I wonder how that happened?" Enter the prequels. Like in a mystery novel, this is supposed to be the part at the end where the genius detective shows up and says, "And this is how it happened..." going step by step through the process leading up. It's backstory. It exists only to expand on the original stories, not to be stories on their own.

I totally agree, it isn't the suspense of the prequels that makes them great, but giving the OT a side you never thought of.

I think Lucas did that for Palpatines character being a politician, the stormtroopers come from the clone factory (minus Jango Fett, he should of used someone else), and the turn to the darkside by Anakin, and even where Anakin came from (if that was developed better)

They were all things I didn't expect before I saw the movies. I never had a problem with Anakin turning for Padme, I just think the execution was rushed and just handled badly, and should have been given more time to make it more realistic.

But when Lucas does the checklist at the end of ROTS: Build Vader, check, Yoda learns the force ghost, check, Leia to Alderran, check, Luke to Owen & Beru, check, it is everything I didn't want in the PT. Heck, I could have written the last ten minutes, or any SW junkie could have written, "I'll take Luke to Uncle Owen on Tattoine."

That is where Lucas got lazy, and didn't develop Bail Organa or Uncle Owen who have huge ramifications on the OT. He did alot of things that are paint by numbers in the movies cause he had to. Instead they should have woven into the OT as something that makes you think after it is all said and done, "Man, I never thought of the backstory that way, that makes things alot more interesting in the OT now." Instead I say things to myself, "Why does Leia remember her mom and Luke doesnt?" and "How come Uncle Owen doesn't recognize C-3PO?"

Waste of three good movies.

Post: #210495
Topic: What are you going to do with your SE discs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210495/action/topic#210495
Time: 17-May-2006 3:24 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

As for you "destroying" something that you helped "build"..... hate to break it to ya but you merely supported it. The movie was made without you and it'll be around long after you. Buying a DVD and a few toys doesn't get your name in the credits.

See that is where I disagree with you, if there wasn't an outrcy from fans, these versions wouldn't be around long after us. In 10 years, there will be a whole generation that grow up with just DVD players, as most are doing now, and are not going to just go out and buy some VHS version of the O-OT.

With the DVD version out, it keeps this version in play for future generations to decide what is better. I have three nephews between the ages of 5-8, and they have only seen the SE OT, cause they don't watch VHS tapes, they have grown up with Toy Story & Monster Inc. SE DVD's. They have no idea about the original versions.

But I will be buying it for them on Sept. 12 as an early Christmas Present from their Uncle, so now they can see the versions I grew up on, and then they can decide. Of course, I will be the great uncle that I am, and help them out with their decision.

Post: #210033
Topic: Do you ever wish that there you had never heard of Star Wars?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210033/action/topic#210033
Time: 16-May-2006 1:06 PM

No Way! Those three movies have never gotten old to me, I couldn't imagine life without them. Now for the PT, I wish I could go back in time and just forget about Darth Vader building C-3PO, Boba Fetts dad as the Clone Template, Chewy & Yoda as boys, and Luke & Leia's mom losing the will to live. That is the stuff that drives me nuts.

But come Sept. 12th, stuff like that will slowly fade as I don't have to watch Hayden in ROTJ anymore.