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#245679
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Waiting for Episode VII during the lean years (1984-1998)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245679/action/topic#245679
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GoMerTonic is signed up on this website? He must have been banned over at TFN. Just a warning guys, this guy will defend Lucas on EVERYTHING, so it aint even worth it to argue. I always like a good debate, but when someone just clearly takes one side like a politician does and will never budge on anything, then that is where I stop debating, cause it is pointless.

GoMer is here, that is where I will just check in to see any new news on the O-OT, but I won't be wasting my time posting, cause watch how relentless he is and the arguments will keep going round and round with the same stupid points back and forth.

This is such a great site, and when you start getting TFn PT/SE gushers posting on a site that wants to get the O-OT in as best quality as possible, then that is where i stop.

And a warning for anyone, Gomer's two favorite lines:

"This is the best the O-OT has ever looked on home video."

"We should be thanking George Lucas for giving an inch and releasing the O-OT, he didn't have to do that."

Have fun!
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#245114
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POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245114/action/topic#245114
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil

And CO, I love coming here and reading your posts. You hit the nail on the head most of the time.

You also made a point about now people can choose which version to like. Most people on this board are thinking that now that casual fans can choose between a non anamorphic, old looking transfer and a sparkly new one, people will chosoe the special edition. Well, that's not the case. Last May, when these DVD's were announced, I'd never seen nor cared about the OOT. I'd gotten the 2004 set as a birthday present from one of my family's best friends, and I was more than thrilled. I didn't know the difference. But when I saw this announcement, and started looking around the web, I got to original trilogy.com, and saw the 70,000 signatures of the petition. I soon ordered a bootleg DVD set off eBay, and I fell in love with the unaltured trilogy. It was that quick. And my bootlegs looked bad. Really bad. But I chose them over the 2004 remastered versions.

That has to say something. That has to say that there are other people out there who will do the same. I was a casual fan. I was a casual fan because I'd never seen the real movies. But look at me now, advocating for the OOT and bashing Lucas with the rest of you here on this board.

I'm young. Younger than all of you, probably. But I chose outdated effects over CGI (though I consider older effects to be better than CGI any day) unlike my peers who thought the PT was cool because of animated Yoda.

Maybe I'm just weird. But I hope to hell that I'm not.



Thanks man, I appreciate it, even though I may write long posts, I really just try to be honest with my opinions. Even though we all are on the internet here who are up to date on the SW DVD world, the majority of fans are not, and dont' frequent the internet, and that is why the outrage doesn't seem huge among the masses, but that doesn't mean fans still dont' want the O-OT.

All of my friends have never posted on a SW website, and do think I a little nuts sometimes for posting. Most of them love SW as much as me but have moved on either after the SE, TPM, or after ROTS. They just don't care about SW anymore in a sense of what Lucas is doing in the future. They are not getting pissed off about the O-OT not being out in 2004, but EVERYONE of those same friends prefers the O-OT, and that is key.

Not one friend I know has said, "I love the SE, screw the O-OT." Everyone of them prefers the O-OT, but doesn't have the passion like me to write letters to Lucasfilm to get it put out. Lucas has done a great job in 10 years of cleansing the O-OT from SW fans minds, and many have accepted the SE, even though they don't love it. I remember in 2004 when the SE was announced I told my friend they werent the originals and he said, "It's the OT in some form or another, lets take what we can get."

But as I said in an earlier post, those fans have smartened up now, and even though they all ran out in 2004, they are not going to run out in 2007 if it just contains the SE with more changes. It is like the old saying, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Everyone had to have some version of SW on DVD in 2004, and that is why those sales are so great, but those same people don't have to have it again with more changes in 2006.

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#245113
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POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245113/action/topic#245113
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Originally posted by: Fuser
CO: The fact that SW is only 'flavour of the month' for your nephew and other kids all over the world, is that there is so much ELSE to watch and be into. It is well documented that SW filled a void in fun adventure films in the late 70s which is why it made such an impact on us. There was only ONE movie to go and see that year. But this time round it is different - POTC as you mentioned for one. The Matrix when PT was out. SW isnt on its own this time - it is having to share kids time with other stuff.


I respectfully disagree, I still think it comes down to quality, and that is why the PT is the 'flavor' of the month, or 'flavor' of the summer for my nephew and many of his friends.

SW in 1977 wowed me then and wows me now cause it is a great fuckin movie, plain & simple. ESB wowed me in 1980 and wows me now cause it is a great fuckin movie. ROTJ was always very good, but even today I just look at is the last leg of the trilogy, so it gets a pass.

The difference is my nephew saw the saga 1-6, and TPM was his first experience with SW, and though he did like it, he never loved it. He kept watching the saga as the story of Anakin Skywalker, and that does a huge disservice when getting to 4,5,6 cause I never watched the OT movies for Anakin Skywalkers tragedy, I watched it for the good guys.

The bottom line for me is SW '77 is my favorite movie of all-time, and ESB is #2 on my list, cause they are movies that are better than anything in the genre that have ever come out. Growing up I enjoyed Star Trek II, III, IV, Superman I & II, Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, Terminator and Alien 1 & 2, so there was competition for SW with quality fantasy movies, but even though I love those movies, they don't come close to the OT movies.

The difference between this generation of SW fans is that they are not going to look back at TPM 20 years from now the way we looked at SW in 1997, and there is one reason for that: QUALITY. A great movie has to pass the test of time, and TPM & AOTC are not great movies, even to PT fans. The only movie that I hear PT fans rave about is ROTS, and one great movie does not make a trilogy.

I remember in 1989 and when Batman came out with Michael Keaton and there was nothing that year that competed with it as it blew the competition away that summer. I saw it and I like it, but looking at the movie 17 years later as it was on HBO this summer, it is an OK movie, but the quality just isn't there that makes it a great movie, and that is why the movie is not resonating with me years later.

The PT movies just aren't as great as the OT movies, no matter what the PT gushers say, and that goes a long way in why my nephew is not a SW junkie like I was even after 1983 when SW was supposedly dead. The problem is by seeing the saga 1-6, it is just an interesting story with some great films and some bad films, so how can he fall in love with that? What would make him wake up on a Saturday morning and say, "Geez, I am in the mood to watch TPM or AOTC today, I have been dying to watch them!!!!" He won't do it cause the replay value of those movies is not great, cause they are not great movies, they are just part of the story now 1-6 that drag down the saga now.

For me growing up, I WANTED to watch any OT movie anytime, cause even though they were a trilogy, the movies were that good that they could stand on their own for individual enjoyment. TPM was made knowing that there were two movies to come, so Lucas just made it as a setup movie to the PT, and that is why it is just that, and when it comes to replay value, who the hell wants to watch a setup movie when you can finish the trilogy that day?

I just don't buy the argument that the competition is what makes the PT different, cause a classic movie will always stand the test of time, no matter how long it takes.

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#244986
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POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244986/action/topic#244986
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Originally posted by: (Fuser)
I dont think that is true in either sense. Of course he knows - he's not daft. And frankly, I think you overestimate the demand. Sure there's a few people on here, and a lot of very vocal people who run websites/magazines etc etc. I read a review of the new DVDs today in the Times: "To those who have agonised over Whether Greedo should have shot first or whether Obi-Wans shout resembled that of a dewback or a krayt dragon , this is tantamount to the Holy Grail. Hopefully they'll keep quiet now."

Sometimes I wonder if it is healthy to get so worked up about it all!



Trust me, I am not saying that every SW fan wants to see Han shoot first, or even knows about it, heck, my 8 year old nephew wouldn't know what we are talking about. But I also know that my 8 year old nephew is already out of SW and that is the big difference between this generation and fans that grew up with SW.

He is into Pirates of the Caribbean now, and as he went as Darth Vader last Halloween, he is going as something with POTC themed this year. My point is that SW, or Episode III was just the flavor of the month for him last year. He was into SW, watched the movies with me, and didn't give a rats ass about Sebastian Shaw. Now one year later, SW movies iare just another summer movie that he will watch sometime in the future just like the Batman Movies, but won't be anticipated future boxsets every year.

That is the difference and mediocrity has crept into the saga where you have fans that like the movies but don't love them. Sure my nephew has all the SW DVD's in his collection, but I guarantee you next year he won't ask for the 07 Boxset for Christmas, cause he already has those movies.

If you want to say we are all wackos or diehards or whatever you want to call us, we are loyal, and only loyal fans rebuy the same movies they have over and over. Only loyal fans rebuy movies that have new documentaries in the new SE. I have bought Back to the Future Boxset, Indiana Jones Boxset, Aliens Boxset all once, cause I enjoy those movies, but once is enough. But the OT movies are different, my love for them transcends logic in certain ways.

Lucas has been living off of that for the past 10 years, and things are beginning to change. I thought Lucas was a genius in 1996, then the SE, then TPM, and then AOTC I finally realized that he may be a tad overrated. I still hoped that ROTS would be the next ESB, I thought Lucas had it in him for a great movie, WRONG!! Now I am very suspect about what comes out new from SW, and if Lucas announced Episode 7,8,9 I wouldn't be interested cause I know he has lost it as a director. But when he announced the PT in the 1995, I was on cloud nine.
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And on the bright side, since the idea of banning together and demanding better isn't the route that most OUT fans are taking, I must admit that I am happy to see the other route seems to be a success and these DVDs are selling well, and HOPEFULLY it will get a point to Luca$ if I am wrong and he really is that out of touch.
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CO response:

This is for the future of SW, and in a sense by buying this I am taking one for the team for future releases. If nobody bought this release, Lucas would never release it again. He doesnt' want these versions out, he hates these versions, that is why the PT is loaded with stupid CG shit, Lucas loves to fill the screen with needless CG.

But we need to set a statement to George that the O-OT, even in non-anamorphic, even as bonus material, even as part of the SE set, is still beloved by alot of diehards. We need to make him realize that any Saga boxset in the future has to contain the O-OT in it or he won't get a dime from us. As I said, he won the battle with this 2006 release, but he hasn't won the war, cause he wants the SE to be the only edition that anyone ever sees again. And the last time I checked, the O-OT was available last Tuesday on DVD, so all that vision bullshit was thrown out the window.

Guys, it is not about Han shooting first, cause only fans who have seen the O-OT know what that is, it is about that both versions can be viewed on DVD by any new fan and they can make the decision on what is better. The bottom line is a majority of people like my nephew have a 27" TV that he won't be able to tell the quality difference with the SE & O-OT versions, so in that respect there is a level playing field for newcomers.

This weekend I will be watching the Original SW while I using the SE as a coaster to my drink of choice, and I couldn't be more happier.

By the way, conversations like this is why I love this site.

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#244977
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POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244977/action/topic#244977
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Originally posted by:ESHBG

Lucas is a businessman....he can't ignore those numbers....original vision or not.
Like I said to CO, he KNOWS there is and has always been a demand for the OUT and he hardly needs this release to prove that. If Lucas truly believed or was unsure about people wanting the OUT, you still wouldn't have the OUT on DVD IMO.


Yes, Lucas is a businessman, but you would be suprised how many OT fans have accepted the SE, and what I mean by that is, they have just 'put up' with all the SE crap because they wanted it on DVD so bad in 2004. Everyone of my friends bought the 2004 SE , and all of them prefer the O-OT, but they were starving for the OT on DVD, so as one of my friends said, "I will have to live with Greedo shooting first."

That to me is where SW has changed in the last 10 years, and that is why Lucas is miscalculating the numbers from the PT & 2004 DVD release. Putting aside what version we love, the PT & SE were a huge success financially to Lucas, why wouldn't he think that people love em? Rocky V sucked, nobody showed. The Matrix Revolutions tanked at the box office, same story.

The difference with SW is all 6 movies were successes in making money, and in Lucas's narrow little mind, he thinks the majority love them, because if it was as bad as Star Trek Nemesis, then fans wouldn't turn out. The difference is fans like me are starting to smarten up, and realize that SW has become mediocre. I was just as naive all through the PT movies thinking they would be great, but now I look back and realize they are one big missed opportunity, but I still went to every movie, and bought every DVD.

But heres the difference with SW in 2006 and the early 1990's, I don't love the SE & PT enough to ever buy them again, wheras the OT I would buy over and over again. Lucas could have put out the OT on VHS in 92, 93, 94, and 1995 with different cover art and I probably would have bought them!!!!!!!

So my point is we have to hit Lucas over the head now with this release and show him that there is not only a demand from some purists, but the MAJORITY of SW fans love these versions. As I said, everyone I know bought the 2004 DVD's, but prefer the O-OT, so that tells me that they are not keen on buying an OT Mega Boxset with more changes in 2007, but they will buy some non-anamorphic OT DVD's just to see Sebastian Shaw.

I really believe that Lucas doesn't know there is a huge demand for the O-OT, remember he is in that box on Lucasranch and I think he is out of touch with what is cool in the movies today. Just look at the PT movies, they aren't cool, and then watch the O-OT movies, whether we are SW geeks or not, those movies are fucking cool to watch, there are no Anakin/Padme on Naboo awful love scenes or Jar Jar Binks in the O-OT, Lucas knew what was cool from 77-83, and that is where he atleast needs to see that fans really haven't liked anything he has done since 1997. I may accept the SE & the PT movies, but I sure as hell don't love them, I more or less put up with them because they're SW, and that is the diffence with the O-OT, I love those movies, and that goes a long way in me rebuying something I already have. Just like I did last Tuesday.

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#244927
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POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244927/action/topic#244927
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ESHBG, I 100% agree with what you are saying, but what Lucas has failed to realize with this release, is that he may have won the battle but has lost the war amongst us diehard OT fans, and here is what I mean:

I have been a diehard SW fans since 1977, and have bought anything with SW plastered on it. I went to each prequel movie in the theaters, bought every VHS set, etc. But what has changed about SW in the past 10 years is that SW isn't a given to me anymore, and I have become a 'picky' fan when buying my SW stuff. For George Lucas, that is a bad sign, cause I was never a picky fan before.

Sure I bought this release, cause it was the O-OT in any better quality than I have, but what has happened is now if every future release, (2007 Saga Boxset, HD-DVD Saga Boxset, 3-D movies in the theater, etc.) If they don't contain the O-OT versions fully remastered, he aint gettin a dime for me.

So as I said, he won this battle as I bought this DVD set, but if he keeps trotting out the OT/SE in his future boxsets without the O-OT in it, no way am I buying it, and that is what has changed in 10 years from this diehard SW fan. If Lucas would have kept the OT as just the OT pre 1997, he could have released saga boxsets with the PT movies, and I would have bought them til I die, that is how much I love SW. But there is no way in hell, I am going to buy the PT & SE movies in the future, cause I don't love them.

I still like that the O-OT is out there now, cause the fact that so many people are willing to buy and watch something that they already know is inferior video quality to the SE, is a huge smack in the face to Lucas. I will say it again, what if this set sells better than 2004? If it does, than Lucas would have to finally reconsider his stance on the O-OT and come to terms that there are 2 OT fanbases for future releases.
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#244792
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POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244792/action/topic#244792
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I bought them, and I haven't changed my opinion from day one. I understand many fans have had bootlegs and laserdisks of the O-OT, but my bootlegs are always freezing up and I never had a Laserdisk player, so I wanted this release in any form.

I still say everyone who wants it should buy it, cause if this set outsells the 2004 SE, it would be the ultimate slap in the face to Lucas. It is inferior quality, yet it outsells the versions he loves? That is the ultimate wake up call to Lucas, that fans REALLY WANT these versions even though they are taking a step back in quality, and would prove that many fans who bought the 2004 set were not buying it cause they loved the SE, they just wanted the OT in any form on DVD.

I understand that this release with the inferior quality is a big middle finger by Lucas to the fans, but he has all the power so the only way you defeat the Emperor is to shove it in his face by outperforming the versions Lucas feels everyone should see.

If this set outsells the 2004 set, than Lucas has a huge question to answer to himself for future releases: Does he release the O-OT & SE fully restored in the same boxset everytime? If this boxset comes in with lackluster sales, then I believe you are making it alot easier for Lucas to answer that question.

Remember guys Lucas may be a jerk, but he is a smart businessman, and if he sees that this set sells more than the 2004 set, he is not that stupid to never release it again.
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#242395
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www.dvdempire.com O-OT pre-orders rankings (updated)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242395/action/topic#242395
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As of September 8, 2006:

ESB #2
SW #3
ROTJ #4

Somebody is buying these versions guys, I think everyone needs to reconsider and buy them and try like hell to equal or come close to the '04 set, and then Lucas may 'understand' that we actually like these versions better.

I mean, we are buying inferior transfers to the '04 set, and it looks like they are going to sell like hotcakes, what is a better way of hitting Lucas over the head?
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#240237
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What movies do you consider canon?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240237/action/topic#240237
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The O-OT: Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi.

As for the PT, there are parts of all 3 movies that are great, but the problem is there are parts of all 3 movies that are just plain awful, and really make them all average movies. The PT characters just don't do it for me, as I could care less for Padme & Anakin, and they are the stars of that trilogy. I tried many times for the past year to be a 1-6 SW fan, as I really tried to embrace the PT movies, but the replay value is not the same as the OT movies. There are just too many many problems when watching the PT: Plot Inconsistencies, bad acting, unlovable characters, zero chemistry, etc.

Even though I was there for every PT movie opening weekend, they have not stood the test of time, and that is pretty sad since TPM is only 7 years old. I look at them as EU stuff, something that is interesting to know, but not needed to fullfill the real story of 4-6.

The O-OT story is lean and just one micro story that happens in this huge universe, and that is it's biggest strength. To me is just like reading about World War II and the heroes who saved the world, and yes there is more history before and after, but just like SW, this story is great and can stand on its own.
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#239017
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2006 OT DVD: Poll: So What are You Going to Do?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/239017/action/topic#239017
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I am buying them and I have been steadfast since day one, even after the non-anamorphic BS Lucas pulled on us all. I still say I would rather watch a non-anamorphic Sebastian Shaw then a pristine transfer with Hayden in ROTJ.

I still say fans should buy, because I believe this release shouldn't be the forum for a protest vote. The future boxsets is where Lucas is losing us, not the versions we want! I am buying this, but what has changed in the way Lucas has treated this fanbase for me is, that if any future release doesn't contain the O-OT fully remastered, he aint getting my money, plain & simple.

After this release, I will have my O-OT versions I have waited for since the inception of DVD, so I will be happy. Will I be totally satisifed, not at all, but that is where Lucas has to play ball in the future. After the 2004 SE release and the 2006 O-OT, every fan, whether casual or diehard has one of the versions they want. In the future, Lucas has to appeal to the diehards to keep buying these releases, cause the casual fan won't keep buying the same movies again, and aren't interested in more changes.

Lucas has atleast 2 more big releases for the saga, the 2007 Saga Boxset for DVD, and the HD-DVD boxset somewhere in the next couple years, and that is where I say as a diehard fan to Lucas, "Does it contain the O-OT fully remastered?"

If No, then I simply won't buy it. That is where Lucas is losing me as a fan, not in this release, but in the future.
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#238743
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How George Lucas created the O-OT fanbase...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238743/action/topic#238743
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Originally posted by: Ozkeeper

People worked towrds getting the equiv of CD for video, and we got laserdisk. It was too expensive for your average punter, and besides quality, most releases offered very little extra over a vhs tape. Later, we got DVD. With DVD we got alternate audio tracks, extras and docos and trailers and all sorts of crap on disks, plus we got instant access and no lack of quality from a tape dragging across some video heads. We got reasonable, affordable priced disks. People that never considered owning libraries of videos soon had more DVD than they could watch in a week. People have DVD, and don't give a damn about the slight upgrade that Blu-Ray or HD-DVD give in picture quality, because it offers nothing else.

Untill players can play both formats, and the player price comes down, and there is some groundbreaking release that people just have to have, people will not adopt the new video format beyond a few geeks with sacks of money to burn. I won't, and I have 20 feet of DVD's on my shelf, and have previously left a record, cassette, and video collection behind as I upgraded to whatever had a real advantage over what I owned before.

However, if there was a deluxe SW collection, with theatrical versions and The Masters Vision versions of each of the films, and a bunch of disks loaded with extras and all only available on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, then I would seriously consider getting a player for that particular format. I'm sure GL knows his stuff could swing sales for one format or the other. Must be fun to play God.



That is 100% how I feel, and that is how the majority of people with DVD are going to feel in the future towards HD-DVD. I am fine with DVD for the rest of my life, just as I am fine with CD's since 1989. Although the O-OT on HD-DVD is the only set of movies that I would think about getting an HD-DVD player for, but only for the O-OT movies, and not rebuying every DVD in my library.
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#237510
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Interesting article about SW in Wall Street Journal 8/22
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237510/action/topic#237510
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There was an interesting article in the WSJ today about what the strategy is for Lucas & SW in the next few years. As we all know everything: TV shows, Cartoons, and books will focus between Episode III & IV. I just have the newspaper on me, so I can't link it yet, but I will give an interesting quotes:

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"Mr. Lucas has said he won't do anymore movies, however, a plan to keep the movies merchandising empire rolling - a strategy that is dependent on generating new stories and fresh approaches to the iconic characters in the world. "

"The sales engine is starting to slow. Last month Hasbro said the sales of SW merchandise dropped 84.8 million in its second quarter from the year earlier period, but that was when ROTS was in the theaters."

"SW is still the top seller so far this year of action figures and biggest merchandiser for boys toys, beating its nearest movie merchandise competitor this summer, 'Cars."

"The Future success of Lucasfilms strategy will depend on hooking young fans."
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The bottom line for me guys, I don't think Lucas gives a rats ass about the O-OT generation anymore, as he is going after the PT fans and the young kids. I believe he is targeting the future of home video at the PT fans who will buy his saga sets, and of course the merchandising and toys at the kiddies.

I believe Lucas thinks there is a big enough market where he can let the O-OT fanbase wilt away and still stay profitable, cause he feels SW is an endless money machine and he thinks the new generation will keep funding it.

I still don't think the PT generation is as loyal because I just don't think the PT movies are good enough that they will be here 10-15 years buying all SW stuff like we did. There will be a niche PT fanbase, just like Star Trek, but I think Lucas is miscalculating that we loved the OT movies, and that is why we started a damn site to preserve those movies because we think they are classics. Most PT fans defend the movies saying, "Well, Jar Jar is annoying but......." or "The AOTC romance isn't great, but......." or "What films are perfect?"

We love the OT movies for one reason: They are classics, and we don't need any explaining as to why. Thats the difference.
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#237344
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How George Lucas created the O-OT fanbase...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237344/action/topic#237344
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Originally posted by: ESHBG some people may never, ever buy into the technology and feel that DVD is good enough (and for many people, it will be). Don't those fans deserve something too?


Count me in as one of those fans who are very happy with my DVD's that are Anamorphic & 5.1 Dolby Digital. I have an HD TV, but I really don't have any desire to even buy an HD-DVD player in the future. I still feel it will be a niche market like Laserdisk was, because I just don't see the mainstream person who is not a quality nut going out and buying an HDTV, and an HD-DVD player. If they didn't do it with Laserdisks, when they were clearly better than VHS, why would they do it now when DVD is great quality.

To me it is like listening to a movie in DTS and Dolby Digital, sure DTS are alittle bit better, but Dolby Digital is still good enough, where it is not that big of a difference. There were DVD's such as Superbits movies released by Columbia of existing catalogs titles that had alittle better picture and DTS sound, and I have never bought one.

If Lucas would have put this O-OT release out in September with Anamorphic & 5.1 Dolby Digital, I would be happy forever, and wouldn't care about anything else that concerns SW in the future. DVD is great quality, and I am satisfied with all my movies that are remastered in great quality, just as I have been happy with all my music CD's since I bought a CD player in 1989. Even if a better CD format came out, I would not buy it, cause all my CD are 'good' enough for me, just like DVD is 'good' enough too.

I just think there isn't THAT much of a huge quality difference that will make me run out to buy an HD-DVD player. When I bought a DVD player in 1998, the quality was so much better than VHS, I could never watch VHS again. DVD has satisfied me since 1998, and I don't need to waste any more money for alittle better quality.

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#237227
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It has begun: StarWars.com to celebrate original films
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237227/action/topic#237227
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I swear it never ceases to amaze me how disingenious Lucasfilm has become, it is like a well-oiled Politician who is running for office, and is funding the campaign on his own money, so there is no way the average fan like can balance out there message. And then they have such a loyal following of idiots who just spout out anything to defend Lucas like those campaign workers who know they are spreading lies, but just want their candidate to win so he can move their agenda further.

I am still buying the Sept. 12th release, cause I will take a non-anamorphic Sebastian Shaw over an Anamorphic Hayden any day lurking at me in ROTJ at the ending. Then I will say bye-bye to SW, until I hear, "The O-OT will be remastered........"
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#236779
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How George Lucas created the O-OT fanbase...
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There has been so much talk on the Sept. 12th release, the PT, the SE, etc, but I was wondering the other day how did SW get to this point? I really believe this was not Lucas’s intention, and I think he knows he is in a quandry now. This is why the O-OT is being released reluctantly by Lucas, but sort of half-assed in the same way.

I honestly think that Lucas is in so much of a box, I really don’t think he knew of this fanbase of O-OT fans. How big this fanbase is, we will never know, but just the fact that the DVD’s are getting released even in average quality, says that there is some demand. If you think about it, why wouldn’t Lucas release the '97 SE as more bonus material just to gauge the market and see if there is a demand for that?

The ironic thing about the O-OT market is I believe it has been created by Lucas solely on him trying to tie the saga’s together, and as he tries in every release to do this, he pushes many fans who were maybe on the bubble to the O-OT side.

If Lucas would have just left the OT alone before releasing the PT, or made the SE just a one time thing in '97 just to give a different spin on the movies, but stop at there. If the PT existed now, and the O-OT were released as the real 04 DVD versions, and then this huge saga boxset in 2007 with the O-OT + PT, then I believe many fans, even though not huge fans of the PT, would not have a problem being a saga fan of all 6 movies. I know many OT fans who don’t like ROTJ, but that never precluded them from buying the OT boxset in the early 90’s just to get SW & ESB.

What Lucas has done now is made me look at the O-OT as JUST 4-6, not part of the saga. I look at the saga now as the PT + OT/SE, cause that is his vision as of 2006. The O-OT has given me an excuse not to recognize the PT, not to buy any future saga boxsets that I probably would have bought if the O-OT still existed in Lucas’s mind.

For whatever we want to say about this release, Lucas released it, and didn’t release the 97 SE versions, so he knows something that fans want this version. But his biggest miscalculation is that I view the O-OT as just that, not part of the saga, not part of the PT storywise, just a 3 movie trilogy from 77-83 without any major changes, except minor ones like inserting the crawl in 1981, etc.

Thank you Mr. Lucas, you have made the decision very easy for alot of fans who thought the PT was OK, and were still debating if 1-6 was worth it as the SW story of the future. With the O-OT, that is not your vision now with the current story you wrote, so 4-6 is the way I see it, and you probably will lose a boatload of money from my wallet in the future, cause I was one of those SW diehards who bought anything with the SW logo on it. But now, if it doesn’t have the O-OT, no thanks.

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#236620
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LOL Look at How They Try to Explain Away Continuity Problems!
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There are two company lines for defense of the Prequels:

"It ties the saga together better." Whenever Lucas changes something in the OT to fit the PT.

"The force." When in doubt on any chance of something being a plot hole.


Why is Hayden inserted as a force ghost in ROTJ? - "It ties the saga together better."

How does Leia remember her mom? - "Through force memories."

Now you have taken your first step into defending George Lucas on anything.
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#235942
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A Question to the Older Members
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I'll be honest, before I started posting on SW sites a couple of years ago, I never knew of the mattelines, and never noticed it either when watching the movies in theaters, on cable, or on home video.

The only thing that ever stuck out to me was the white line around the Rancor in ROTJ, but all the stuff in the space battle in SW '77 that the SE lovers complain about, I really never noticed and frankly never gave a crap. That is why I know those fans watch it for the effects, not the drama, cause that is all secondary to me.

As I got older I did notice some effects flaws in the death star battle, but again, Lucas did such a good job of focusing my attention on Luke and the Rebellion, or Vader following Luke, that the special effects stuff was all good to me in '77 and still is in '06.

It is a good question Gaffer, because I think many SE fans just totally overrate the SE changes, and I guarantee alot of fans who haven't seen the O-OT since '96, are going to be very suprised at how well the effects hold up on September 12th. I think many fans who only have seen the SE, and atleast rent the O-OT are going to start to wonder that this isn't this huge difference that Lucas conquered with the SE. To me it is just a bunch of nonsense.

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#235755
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BadAssKeith: You need to chill, dude.
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I think BadAssKeith is just masquerading as a 'hate Lucas' guy to make this site look ridiculous with every topic he starts. He is probably some PT lover, who wants to give this site a bad name, so if someone is browsing and they see all these 'I hate Lucas, I hate the PT' topics, they will think we are a bunch of looneys. BAK, you are burying Lucas so much, you are actually putting me in the position of defending him, something I haven't done in a long while.

If I am wrong, and you are sincere, we don't need all the 'I hate Lucas posts', but if you are just trying to sabotage this site to make it look bad, alot of people here are just going to stop responding to your posts.

Thanks.
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#235695
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My two cousins are becoming OOT fanatics
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I think that future generations who watch SW will be a much different audience & fan than us. I dare to even say, they will be more of a niche fanbase like Star Trek, cause I just don't see a huge fanbase of 1-6 lovers, cause all 6 movies are not great.

The OT crowd like us, or I guess fans who grew up in the 80's who made SW what it was revered those 3 movies. It wasn't just the fact that I enjoyed the movies, cause I enjoy alot of movies, it was that they were my favorite set of movies of all-time, and that is a big difference than just being a fan.

I love Back to the Future, Superman, Terminator, and many other movies of the SW genre growing up, but nothing, I mean nothing compared to the OT movies, and that is what Lucas doesn't understand, SW is a religion to me, not just some movie I enjoy. I see my nephews really enjoy SW movies, but I don't think they have that love for them that I did growing up. I don't see them running out when their older and buying every release that hits the shelves.

The big thing about just being an OT fan, that is different than being a saga fan, is the OT movies as individual movies are great, and that is what drives me to watch them over and over. I know so many PT fans I talked to on TFn say that ROTS is the only great PT movie, and TPM & AOTC have their flaws, but they still enjoy them. I would ask anyone, I enjoy alot of movies, but you have to love something to want to watch a movie 20 years later.

SW & ESB are classic movies in a quality sense, not in a SW sense, and because they are so great, I cut ROTJ slack, and I can watch those 3 movies in order without ever hesitating. With the PT, it is a chore, I used to try to watch it 1-6 because it felt like an obligation to watch the whole story, when I lost site of with the OT, I watched the story cause I loved the movies, now I watch the movies out of obligation to the story, and that doesn't bode well for 1-6 for many fans in the future.

As I said, I think there will be 1-6 diehards 20 years from now, but that group will be nowhere as big as the 4-6 OT fans since 1977, cause the quality of movies in the PT just aren't there for longevity, plain & simple. The fact that my 8 year old nephew already thinks Jar Jar is stupid, when he liked him 4 years ago, tells me he isn't going to be religiously watching TPM when he is in his 30's, the same way I watch the OT nowadays.
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#235504
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Your Greatest Star Wars Day.
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February 1, 1983:

That was the night it premiered on HBO, and I could finally watch SW endlessly. I was 10 years old, and back then nobody had a VCR in my neighborhood, so you had to wait for the damn movies to come to Cable TV!

It had been 5 1/2 years since I saw SW in 1977, and I couldn't wait. I remember watching it with my older brother and just loving every minute and once Luke blows up the Death Star, that cemented SW as my favorite movie of all-time, and I realized it wasnt a fluke when I saw it in 1977, it was just as great 5+ years later.

I remember the next day was a snow day in the South Jersey area, and my Elementary School was closed, so I watched SW at 8:00 in the morning, went over a friends and watched it at 12:00 in the afternoon, and then watched it again that night at 9:00. (Those were the days of just one HBO and not a huge library of movies, so they would replay the big hits multiple times a day.)

To this day, when I hear the drums and the 20th Century Fox logo come on the screen, I think of SW from 1977, and Mr. Lucas could can f**k with the movies all you want now, but you can't take those memories away.
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#235107
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Audience reaction to the reveal?
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Anchorhead and Obi Jeewhyen please keep posting cause as much as I love the OT, I always appreciate fans who just love Star Wars from 1977, and never bought into the larger story from day one. I really think it is the characters of Luke, Leia, and Han that made me an OT fan, not the way Lucas went with the story, cause there is nothing that beats the Original SW.

Just a warning for you guys, do not post at TFn, those people will come at you with pitchforks for only liking the Original SW. That is the only SW website that frowns upon the only SW movie that is actually called Star Wars. It is the ultimate irony.