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Post: #255713
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255713/action/topic#255713
Time: 8-Nov-2006 7:39 PM

Originally posted by: Darth Sheba
CO, that username showed up at ORS about a week ago. No posts, though.

Really? That isn't me, I go under cjedi72 on ORS, but I'll keep an eye on another CO and make sure he isn't a Jar Jar lover or anything!

Post: #255708
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255708/action/topic#255708
Time: 8-Nov-2006 7:17 PM

Darth Evil don't let Gomer make you leave the website, I say just ignore his posts, just like many of you here, if you ignore he will leave. I checked out TFN today, and he is getting in the same arguments there, so please don't buy into that he wants to challenge himself here.

This guy has nothing to do all day other then sit around and talk ALL FRICKIN DAY on various websites, so if that floats his boat, so be it.

I still would love to see you sign up for ORS Gomer, cause you wouldn't last one week there, even the PT gushers are brutal in their posts, but I know you have gotten the invitation before, but I have yet to see your name pop up there.

Post: #255707
Topic: A New Hope HDTV screenshots
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255707/action/topic#255707
Time: 8-Nov-2006 7:13 PM

Jedi Randy, ask McCallum which one is Lucas's vision:

1980 ESB Version: Luke does not scream when he plummets from Vader on Cloud City

1997 ESB SE Version: Luke DOES scream when he plummets from Vader on Cloud City

2004 ESB DVD Version: Luke does not scream when he plummets from Vader on Cloud City

I guess were still waiting for that final vision that Lucas couldn't achieve back in 1980

Post: #255703
Topic: Anyone see ER last week (11-02-06)? RE: Padme's death
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255703/action/topic#255703
Time: 8-Nov-2006 7:07 PM

Losing the will to live happens all the time, but it is with older people who are near the end of their lives and truly don't have anything to live for. They are people who are 85-90 years old with no family, usually an incurable disease, or just clinically depressed, and they just wither away til they die, so I do believe that 'losing the will to live' can happen.

The problem with Padme and ROTS is she just gave birth to twins, and makes me wonder what was Lucas thinking? I know any women who has children, they are more sacred to them then anything in the world, so to just give up, and then say, "There is still good in him." THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!

I am a guy, but after seeing how Lucas ruined Padmes character arc in ROTS I have to say, "You can tell a man wrote that plot point."

Post: #255526
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255526/action/topic#255526
Time: 8-Nov-2006 6:13 AM

Originally posted by: JamesEightBitStar

He'd be right. Even if Lucas himself doesn't read these forums, others do. Large companies monitor the fan communities because it helps them make marketting decisions. Other fan communities also monitor us, and frankly, originaltrilogy.com isn't taken very seriously.

After seeing a bunch of people make sexual innuendos about George Lucas, despite the forum's owner specifically asking us to tone down the Lucas-bashing, I can see why.

Seriously, we come off as a ground of angry nerds who will never be satisfied. Lucas could read about us and be saying to himself, "I could release the O-OT in higher-than-high definition, with a digital remastery that totally surpasses everything, and including every concievable special feature imaginable, and on top of that, give it away for free to anyone who asks... and these guys would still hate my guts. So why bother?"

Dude, if you really think what people say on a message board will make or break the O-OT in higher quality in the future, I think you're alittle crazy. Now if we wrote letters and emails to Lucasfilm with profanity then that is a different story, but the internet is the internet.

Lucas will release the O-OT in high quality in the future for one reason only: If it makes him money and that is it, and he could care less what the O-OT fans say on some message board. The only reason it came out in laserdisk quality in Sept is not cause we bitched and moaned during the PT days, it was because Lucas does not want the O-OT to be the official version, so if it looks worse than the 2004 SE disks, he figures any new fan will goto the SE.

He knew that a section of the fanbase wants these disks, and that is why he put them out, but there is a reason they come with the SE, just in case NEW fans buy it, or fans of the SE are curious to see what the O-OT is like. But in the end, Lucas is gambling the diehards like us will put up with Laserdisk quality, but any fan who doesn't crave the O-OT will want to watch the great quality that the 2004 disks represent.

What alot of SW fans don't understand is Lucas is doing this all for the future of SW, and though I disagree with him 100% for suppressing the O-OT, he doesn't want any new fans to fall in love with the O-OT, or what he calls outdated effects. He wants the movies to tie with the PT movies, in terms of special effects and that guy called Hayden Christenson who is now in ROTJ. He wants everyone to see the saga 1-6 now, and that is why he doesn't care about this fanbase anymore, cause he has already gotten our money from 77-96, and he feels there is a whole new generation of SW fans who will keep the SW train alive who like the saga 1-6, and like the SE. Whether they are as loyal as we are, I disagree with Lucas, but that is definitely the route he is going, and like I said it has ZERO to do with a bunch of whiners on the internet.

Post: #255420
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255420/action/topic#255420
Time: 7-Nov-2006 8:31 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic I don't post here hoping Lucas will read it.

2) I am actually for Lucas releasing the O-OT in a higher quality, because I don't fault people for only liking the O-OT and would hope that all SW fans would be able to enjoy as much or as little Star Wars as they would like to.

3) If someone happens to think better of the SE's or Prequels because of something I've said, that's great. But I'm not particularly holding my breath.

I come here to challenge my own beliefs as much as yours.

Gomer, in an earlier post, you said you want to stop the negativity of George Lucas, cause it is not helping our cause. And my point is that if you think any person of that power reads message boards, do I really need to expound anymore?

What you have failed to realize about the SW message boards is rarely anyone will change their opinion, because it is.......an opinion.

In all honesty I only like talking about the PT with fans who share the same views as me, not because I don't like a good debate, but because it is just interesting to hear someone who grew up with SW, loves the OT, and ends up having the same issues with the PT & SE that I have. In a sense, it is like therapy, and it is interesting to hear someone who was jazzed for the PT, but now they feel it is a big what if. I just don't give a shit to hear that I misunderstood Jar Jar, or I didn't understand the Turn scene, or Anakin was suppose to be a whiner. It is the same with other movies I think are not as good as I thought they should be such as Pearl Harbor, where it was a movie I was jazzed up for in 2001, and came out scratching my head.

I have learned that the SW message boards are for fans to make statements of their views and in a sense it turns out not to be a debate. People just want to hear themselves talk in these PT debates, and I have rarely seen a good discussion where there are good points on both sides, and that is why it is really a waste Gomer, if you think you are going to turn anyone.

Post: #255405
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255405/action/topic#255405
Time: 7-Nov-2006 7:38 PM

Gomer, there are two things I think you are missing the point on SW message boards:

1. Thinking George Lucas reads this shit. If you are here to defend ol Georgie cause you think it will hurt our cause, I think you are wasting your time. George Lucas doesn't read message boards, nor do 90% of SW fans either. I am the only one of my SW friends who post on message boards, and they think I am a little wacky for talking about movies that essentially done with via May 2005. They have moved on and just love what they love of the SW universe, and sure we still talk and analyze, but that is all it is. What we say here has no barring on whether the O-OT will be anamorphic next time, cause I find it very hard that George Lucas clicks on TFN & OT.com every night and thinks, "What are they saying about me now?"

Most artists or athletes or even actors, don't read this stuff for a reason, they don't want to know. I live in an area with a very popular sports talk radio and all day it is constant bitching and whining by callers on whether my sports team suck or not. And numerous athletes have said in interviews that they don't listen cause they just don't want to hear it. The reason the O-OT got put on DVD was partly cause of this site, but not the message board part, but just the petition and letters and emails the fans wrote in during the years, and Lucas finally gave in. Superman II (Donnor Cut) is coming out on DVD in 2 weeks because of the same campaign by fans who always wanted it, but not because the Superman Message Boards said, "Fuck Richard Lester, we want the Donnor cut!!!!"

2. Changing Peoples Opinion- I hate to break it to ya Gomer, you aint changin anyones opinion. People have their views of the 6 movies, and I have rarely seen someone do a 180 after an explanation and say, "You're right, TPM is great!"

The PT are movies just like anyone else, and it comes down to whether you like them or not, and no new defending of Lucas or rationalizing the turn is going to convince anyone now, the movies are over with, everyone has watched them once or a couple of times, or even 10 times, and made their judgement. The reason this won't change over the years like other movies like Shawshank Redemption, which tanked and is now a classic, is because people saw these movies opening night, they saw them on DVD, they waited for these movies for years, so it is not like someone here just discovered the PT movies and still has to watch them. I didn't see Shawshank til 1999, and what a movie I missed for 5 years, but I saw the PT movies opening weekend, big difference.

I don't know what to tell you Gomer, but for me I just come here to talk to fans of my ilk, and that is what I like, and as I said earlier, if it is boring, then goto ORS, that is a site with good fireworks. Sometimes people just want to talk with fans who love the O-OT and thats it, and in the same vein bitch about the PT and how good it could have been, without anyone telling me it was great, and how great the SE are. Message to you Gomer, if I loved the PT and SE, I wouldn't be fighting for the fricking O-OT so damn hard, so can you understand what I love and what I dont'?

Post: #255295
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255295/action/topic#255295
Time: 7-Nov-2006 10:42 AM

I think what alot of people here don't understand, is this wasn't the site to bicker back and forth on SW. Now sure it has its threads about the PT & SE, but I always liked coming here for more of a rest of all the bickering that happens at other SW websites, cause this was specific in its goals.

I goto ORS or used to goto TFN to argue and bitch back and forth with gushers and bashers, cause those sites are what they are for SW, but OT.com is more of a relaxed place to talk about our plight as OT fans who want the damn movies put out first, and now put out in great quality.

If it makes it boring here cause there is no bickering, so be it, I find it sort of a relief in that way. I say if you want all out flame wars, sign up for ORS cause that is a fun site to say whatever you want, and nothing ever gets censored. But once Gomer signed up here, I kinda checked out on being a regular here, cause in honesty, you can do the same shit at other websites. So I guess what appealed to me here was there wasn't the usual bullshit petty back and forth arguments, but I still don't think you can ban anyone for free speech. So if it turns out that every thread is the usual back and forth with Gomer, enjoy it guys, cause this site may not be for me anymore.

Post: #254978
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254978/action/topic#254978
Time: 5-Nov-2006 9:52 PM

I think have sort of a solution to everyones problem, so this way nobody gets banned, and we don't get labeled a site of being exclusionary like TFN.

I think Jay needs to divde up discussions boards now as a whole seperate board for PT talk, and OT talk. This way it atleast keeps any PT talk to a whole seperate page that anyone here who doesn't recognize them as movies have to even venture on, and for those fans of the O-OT who like, love, or even hate em, but still love gushing or bitching about them, they can talk all they want.

I tried to achieve this at TFN by establishing an O-OT Page, where every topic was circa 1977-83, so there was no chance of any SE lover chiming in about the new SPX, Greedo shooting first, or Hayden in ROTJ. I was shot down, and pretty much laughed at, and that was one of the reasons I stopped posting there.

So Jay, I think if you have seperate boards for OT & PT talk, and all the saga talk 1-6 can also go on the PT board, I think alot of people wouldn't get as mad anymore, cause I think many of them won't even venture on that board. And then you could see who a real troll is if they start making smart ass remarks on an OT board.

Post: #254867
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254867/action/topic#254867
Time: 4-Nov-2006 5:48 PM

As I have said before, if Gomer was a true O-OT fan, then I woudn't have a problem with him, but I can find so many smart ass remarks about the O-OT he has said on TFN, and that is why he is a troll here. Hey Gomer, remember the remark, "Have fun watching the 'bonus versions!' The fact that you said on TFN shows you are not a true O-OT fan, so why the hell would you bother at a site that is for preserving the O-OT?

I don't care if he likes the PT, I don't care if he loves the PT, everyone here has their opinions of all 6 movies, the bottom line is Gomer came here from TFN cause he was banned there, and needed somewhere else to go to start trouble.

I wouldn't sign up for a site, "More changes to the OT movies.com" cause that is not what I care about it, but this site is specific in what everyone wants, not what everyone believes, and the bottom line is Gomer has constantly made little jabs at the O-OT, "You should thank Lucas for putting this out in Sept, he is being mighty generous." Gomer is not an O-OT fan, so as I said guys, just ignore him and don't answer his posts, and he will then ban himself from the site of boredom.

Post: #254657
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254657/action/topic#254657
Time: 3-Nov-2006 10:56 AM

Originally posted by: JamesEightBitStar

And, "no normal person who owns a DVD wants any of their DVD's to come out in Laserdisk quality?" Well hell, if the 2006 bonus discs are what "Laserdisk quality" looks like, its darn fine by me. SW fans harp on those like they're the worst and most unwatchable discs ever made, but they're not really all that bad. I've seen a ton of movie DVDs--including movies made AFTER star wars--that looked far better.
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Whether they look fine to you, to each his own, but they are not up to DVD quality 2006, and that was my point. I bought the set and I watch them now because it is good enough for me to enjoy it, but it is the worst looking DVD in my collection, because nobody puts out non-anamorphic DVD's in 2006. I am enjoying them just as much as you are, but please don't say these are great quality, cause they are not.

As for Gomer, I am all for opinions on this site, and I was one of the few who actually defended Adamwankenobi alot last year when he was the lone PT gusher here, because he was honest with his views, and didn't make any snide remarks about the O-OT like Gomer does. He was just a fan of all 6 movies, but would always bury Lucas for not putting out the O-OT.

Gomer says the same shit on TFN, the same tired lines, over and over and over, and if you read my post I said he shouldn't get banned, I say it is a free country, but that doesn't mean you have to respond to him.

Post: #254635
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254635/action/topic#254635
Time: 3-Nov-2006 7:10 AM

If you read Gomers posts on TFN, they are the exact same thing, and I don't have a problem with that at TFN cause the purpose of that site is supposedly for all SW fans, even though they won't admit they only want PT gushers.

The purpose of this site is for fans who want the O-OT fully restored or atleast respected, and Gomers line that 'this is the best the O-OT has looked and we should thank Lucas for even putting it out' shows me he is a troll, because no normal person who owns a DVD wants any of their DVD's to come out in Laserdisk quality.

Gomer is a troll, and I would just tell people here, DONT RESPOND TO HIS POSTS!!!!! He is baiting everyone here, and if no one takes the bait, he will leave, cause he will get bored. He does the same stuff on TFN, and posts the same exact remarks, but there are different set of OT fans there, so he knows he can get a rise out of them too.

Now Gomer won't dare go to ORS, because the gushers and bashers rip him a new asshole, cause those people there are relentless and actually really funny, and that is why Gomer will never sign up there.

I think anyone has a right to post on any forum, but I say to everyone who gets mad at Gomers posts, take them with a grain of salt, get a chuckle, and don't respond, because he will get bored that he can't argue with anyone, and will go back to TFN, cause the only reason he was here in the first place was that he got banned at TFN for awhile, and I know he didn't know what to do at night sitting in his mommy's basement and not able to log on any SW forums to chat.

Post: #253944
Topic: Letterbox looks like CRAP on a widescreen HDTV :(
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253944/action/topic#253944
Time: 29-Oct-2006 7:08 AM

I will give my take on the quality of the DVD's on my RCA 52" HDTV, it is pretty good after a few adjustments. Now in everything I am saying, of course a remastered anamorphic transfer would be better.

I adjusted my picture when watching DVD's to 'Vibrant' and it really made a difference. I spruced up the colors that were sort of dull before, it gave a little more detail to fleshtones, but the only thing it does is it has a little more red overall in the picture, but it doesn't bother me. The only parts that are really noticeably bad in the movies are the a couple shots of Tatooine & Hoth when they are just showing the sand & snow and you can really see the grain, but it is only for a couple of seconds.

I am telling you guys, you have to tinker with the picture options on your HD TV's, and I think everyone can enjoy the movies again. I have watched them now a couple of times, and I honestly enjoy them now without thinking of the 'non-anamorphic' issue anymore, and dare I say I am pretty happy with them now.

I am a stickler for awesome quality when watching a movie, but for some reason I haven't had a problem with the September 12th release, and I think it goes to show the power of the movies over the power of pristine quailty sometimes. If Lucas includes an Anamorphic O-OT transfer in the '07 Saga Boxset, I will buy it, if he doesn't, then I will pass. What can we do at this point anymore?

I hope this didn't come off as a pro-Lucas rant, cause I still think he is an asshole for the way he has treated the fanbase that made SW what it is today.

Post: #253882
Topic: McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253882/action/topic#253882
Time: 28-Oct-2006 3:33 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I wonder why that same dynamic didn't help Blues Brothers 2000 at the box office.

Sure I will grant you opening week, even opening month those people went to see TPM on the merit of the classic trilogy.

But when it's still in dollar theaters when they re-release it for the Christmas holiday, you have to start to suspect that people were going back again and again because they actually liked -that- movie too.

It is patently ridiculous to state that Lucas did not have a crew of people working with him on the prequels. I don't even understand how you could say it. Sure it's not the same crew he had since the beginning, but there -was- a crew. It wasn't just "Lucas, some blue screens, crappy actors and some computers."

People -DID- get their point across to Lucas that they didn't like the way Jar-Jar was being done. Lucas simply didn't agree with them. Just as he didn't agree with Kurtz when he thought they shouldn't make Vader Luke's father.

Gomer, Lucas had so many fans for 3 PT movies cause he marketed as 'how Vader turns to the darkside' and that was a brilliant marketing ploy.

I know SO many friends who thought TPM & AOTC were pure shit, but said to me in May 2005, "I have to atleast see how Darth Vader turns." So they went to it, cause we were all such diehards fans we had to see how the story ended atleast one time. I don't know any other movie series where people would hang around to see the whole thing, does Matrix Revolutions ring a bell?

But in saying that there is a reason that TPM made the most of all PT movies, cause alot of those fans checked out in 1999:

TPM: 431 million
AOTC: 310 million
ROTS: 380 million

Hey, I was one of those fans who saw each PT movie twice, and now I don't ever think about them anymore, but because I was such a diehard OT fan I WANTED so bad to love them, I went back hoping I was wrong after my initial showing, I bought them on DVD HOPING they would match up 1-6, and now after trying and trying, I came to the realization, it wasn't me, the movies aren't that great and don't tie up with the OT that well, IMO.

You can throw out all the numbers you want, but every Friend I know saw all 3 PT movies, and EVERYONE of them thinks less of them now then they did from 99-05. In a sense, it was cool to go through the hype of SW again, but that is all it was for alot of fans, Hype.

Post: #253481
Topic: McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253481/action/topic#253481
Time: 26-Oct-2006 7:15 AM

April 1999
from Starburst Special #40

SPOILER WARNING: This interview discusses plot details
Producer Rick McCallum takes us inside the newest instalment in the
Star Wars saga, and looks to the future… By Ian Spelling

Ah, yes, that intended audience. Star Wars god George Lucas has deemed The Phantom Menace a film for kids (ranging in age from eight to 18). Young boys will no doubt embrace Anakin (Jake Lloyd) and Jar Jar Binks (Ahmed Best) and probably even Darth Maul (Ray Park). Young girls can root for Queen Amidala (Natalie Portman). Yet, the film runs two hours and 13 minutes, rather long for a kid flick. Then there are the adults who grew up with the first Trilogy, who expect to recapture a bit of their youth. They may very well be in for a shock when they realize that Lucas hasn’t crafted a film for them, but for their children.

“We hope that people will say, ‘I want to see how my child experiences what I experienced,’” McCallum argues. “That’s the essence. A studio would ask, ‘Who is this movie going to be for?’ and that’s primarily why we don’t work with studios. Those questions are very hard to ask and to answer. They start to undercut the film you want to make. If you start doing that you can finger-f**k everything, if you know what I mean. Then you end up with a story that is so far departed from what you originally planned on. Quite honestly, that’s the reason films are so bad.

“Adults are going to be so annoyed this summer. Every kid will be imitating Jar Jar. There will be a lot of ‘Mooooey. Mooooey’ and ‘How rude!’ and a lot of Jar Jar talk. The kids at the screenings I’ve been in have loved Jar Jar. As a film-maker and a person I can say I always had problems with Jar Jar as he started to develop in the screenplay, especially in terms of the language. I loved him on paper, actually, more than I did when I saw the animation starting to come out. There was a point where I said, ‘George, is this working? Is this really...’ and George said, ‘Remember, just remember. Try to find that moment. What did you love to do with your parents? Bug them. Annoy them.’

Post: #251812
Topic: Here's my stance
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251812/action/topic#251812
Time: 17-Oct-2006 4:28 PM

Originally posted by: casualimp
I think the whole mentality with the OT and those that grew up with it is that they're etched fond memories of our childhoods. As kids we never looked at them as products, we saw them as other realities and for some people those feelings are still there. Come the PT and we realise as we are older that Star Wars is a product, is marketed as a product and always has been. The reason fans that grew up with it are angry is because it's like having someone burn all your family photos in front of your eyes and you're powerless to stop it. Here's some food for thought: you can't control what you didn't create and even if you did, look how God's creation turned out.

The truth is ENTERTAINMENT IS A PRODUCT, the only time it wasn't was when humans were of the old days telling stories by the fire. We had nothing to benefit but the awe of the croud. This is our world now, it's about money and control. We're all an empire of one because we've been bred into a selfish world that tells us to toil for money to buy goods and services and if we don't get exactly what we want than cry havoc (you know the rest). You can complain for all eternity about getting your way with Star Wars because you see yourselves as "inverstors" in a product you have no control over. Why not instead try to create a similar product to etch in other kids memories and see where that takes you. See if you'll end up like Lucas or not with the decisions you make with your product.

I bought the LOTR set the other day on DVD, and it included the Theatrical Versions and the Extended Versions in one boxset, both transfers with Anamorphic Widescreen and 5.1 DD. Geez, that wasn't that hard to please all of the LOTR fans?

Post: #251665
Topic: Star Wars: The Stupidest Quotes!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251665/action/topic#251665
Time: 16-Oct-2006 10:57 PM

Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
Oh, that would have been worse. No such scene should ever have been shown. I still maintain that Vader never should have been revealed in the PT at all. A good writer could have told the story while leaving it appear as though Anakin has died. Vader should only ever be seen or referred to for the first time in ANH. It makes for a much more well-crafted story, and preserved the drama and surprises of the OT when viewed in order. Vader never should have been seen. It was just a cheap gimmick, and a poorly executed one, to hang a marketing campaign on.

This is so true, and Lucas always wants it both ways. He wants the saga now to be watched 1-6, but he wrote the PT with so many back handed references that would only work if you have actually seen 4-6 first!

Lucas says at the end of ROTS commentary, "I did not need to show all the stuff that ties to the OT at the end of the movie, including Luke & Leia being brought to their new homes, the death star being build, suited Vader rising, that is all exposition. But I knew alot of fans would have been real mad if that stuff was not in there."

Now I agree with Lucas cause I would have been mad too, but I am consistent that the saga should be watched 4-6 then 1-3. Lucas wrote the PT as a backstory to the OT with the viewer knowing the OT story, but wants the new viewer to watch the saga as a linear story 1-6 now?

Post: #251650
Topic: How do you watch the Star Wars Saga?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251650/action/topic#251650
Time: 16-Oct-2006 8:34 PM

I only get time to watch movies every other weekend or so, as I usually make time to watch one SW movie if I can. I will always watch them in order SW, ESB, and ROTJ and I can usually complete the trilogy in a month or two, and then start over again. I tried to watch the PT 1-6 once, and by the middle of AOTC I was feeling more obligated to watch the PT movies rather then WANTING to watch the movies for pure enjoyment. I stuck it out cause I wanted to atleast give old Georgie a shot and say I had watched the saga 1-6 over a couple of weekends, and I have never done it again. The thought of starting at TPM and not really get to anything remotely enjoyable til some of the things that occur in the last hour of Episode III, and then finally getting to something I love at Episode IV?

The PT movies actually made me appreciate the story of the O-OT 4-6 now cause it shows how a story can get lost if you don't plan beforehand. The O-OT was not planned beforehand and it still works well as a story of The rebels vs empire as you follow Luke, Leia, and Han for 3 movies and then there is a subplot with Vaders redemption at the end of ROTJ to give it more depth then your average fantasy movie.

As I said, I want to watch the OT films, I love to watch the OT films, I felt obligated to watch the PT films when I was still in my faze of wanting 1-6 to work, and it took me to finally realize if you are forcing yourself to watch a movie because it is part of the story, then Lucas failed with the PT movies.

Post: #251195
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251195/action/topic#251195
Time: 13-Oct-2006 3:27 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He wasn't following the rules in the first place when he made THX, American Grafitti or Star Wars for that matter.

Is there any reason why he should start now?

Man maybe he shouldn't have even gotten in to films. Then we could still be enjoying crappy special effects with mono sound.

There is nothing more funny then the constant talk of special effects by a PT gusher, cause Specfial Effects rates as #5 on my list of why I love the OT, but it surely seems to be #1 for the SE/PT lovers.

Here is what appeals to me in the OT movies:

1. The Characters (Han, Luke, & Leia are the three greatest good guys in all movies)
2. The drama (mostly from SW & ESB, very few moments in ROTJ have really good drama though)
3. Story (Even though it has a basic good vs evil message, there is still alot of stuff going on in the backround)
4. Mythology (ObiWan/Luke talk in SW, Yoda/Luke training in ESB, Luke/Leia talk in ROTJ)
5. Special Effects (That is why I still love the O-OT, it is just icing on the cake)

Post: #251168
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251168/action/topic#251168
Time: 13-Oct-2006 12:41 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Okay, but you are still assuming he doesn't mean what he actually says, and instead means what you asssume.

As I said above, according to Lucas in just about every other place he talks about Jar-Jar, he feels Jar-Jar was a huge success, and says the only reason he isn't in II and III as much as he was in I had to do with the tone getting darker, and the story centering in on the main characters. He speicifically says the "Jar-Jar Backlash" had nothing to do with it.

But if you think his "I am not too sure about Episode I" (a joke he did on a comedy show) is what he "really means" then more power to you.

ESB had a much darker tone than ANH, and every character had the same role including the C3PO & R2.

Post: #251161
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251161/action/topic#251161
Time: 13-Oct-2006 11:54 AM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Of course he loves all the Star Wars films, I'm just saying that according to him the others turned out closer to what he wanted than ANH did.

Maybe you are right. All I am saying is you have to assume that everything he says is a lie and everything you read between what he does say is "how it really is".

It's all "Sure Lucas says A, but because of this and this and this, he must be lying and really means B."

It's just quite a bit of assumption on your part is all.

It is not an assumption, by Lucas saying that, it is wink that he thinks the same way many do about TPM and Jar Jar. It is like when Spielberg talks about 1941, he always make little inuendos about the film cause it was panned by everyone. The fact that Jar Jar goes from a major role in TPM to 5 minutes in AOTC to one shot in ROTS shows that he knew Jar Jar wasn't that popular, cause no major OT characters went from a huge role to practically nothing in the next movie, unless they died.

Post: #251156
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251156/action/topic#251156
Time: 13-Oct-2006 10:38 AM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Talk about filling in blanks.

I think Lucas is being a good sport about the Episode I backlash, but I don't think he agrees with it. Nor do I think he feels Episode IV turned out better. According to him, ANH was the furthest from what he wanted these movies to be.

Gomer, I don't know if you watched the AFI Tribute to George Lucas last year? What stuck out to me really shows Georges love for Episode IV, and here is what happened:

The whole show went through all his movies, and then they did a good hour segment on the OT movies, and then at one point, they had Carrie Fisher, Mark Hammill, and Harrison Ford on the stage with C3PO & R2 all in the exact position they were when the Original SW ended with the medal ceremony as the camera pans away.

Right as they showed that image, they showed the crowd clapping and what stuck out to me was that George Lucas was the first to stand up and continue clapping and you could see the smile on his face and also you could see he was a bit emotional to see those characters up there again for the first time in 25 years. The whole crowd, including Spielberg then rose to give that image a standing ovation, it actually sent chills down my spine.

Say what you and I want about the PT & ESB & ROTJ, but that moment there shows me that Lucas will always have an affection for the Original SW, and even though he says it could have been better now when he was making it, that movie is his baby, and it is one of the most beloved movies of all-time, and that showed me that Lucas knows that, but he just doesn't want it to come off interviews that he favors one over the other.

Post: #251145
Topic: Lucas on Colbert
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251145/action/topic#251145
Time: 13-Oct-2006 7:22 AM

One thing I will give Lucas is that he is always a good sport on shows like this, and the lightsaber duel was pretty funny at the end. The fact that he says he doesn't know if he owns Episode I is a wink to everyone of us that he knows it isn't great, but he is just not the type of person to come right out and say it , and who probably feels love towards all of his movies in a certain way, but he knows which ones are better, and the bottom line is he would never say that about Episode IV, which he knows is his real baby.

Post: #251002
Topic: What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251002/action/topic#251002
Time: 12-Oct-2006 4:25 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
"While Shaw was the face he had when he came back to the light, he still visually represents (to me) the twisted wreck he had become as Vader."

Bingo!

What Lucas is that? 1983, 1995, 1999, or 2005? Lucas could have easily put a 20 year old actor in 1983 ROTJ who resembled Luke to bridge his theory of what he thinks works now, but he didn't. There is a reason Lucas put grandfather Anakin in that force ghost, and it is explained in my previous post, and that is why I refuse to listen to any quote by Lucas cause he contradicts himself everytime he talks.

Post: #251000
Topic: What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251000/action/topic#251000
Time: 12-Oct-2006 4:22 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
CO,

The whole moral of the Saga doesn't change because Hayden represents Anakin at the end of Episode VI. It's still there. It's like having a dual personality, if you really want to get simple with it.

I believe the man Padme loved died in Episode III. I believe the man that destroyed the Emperor is the man Luke sees (when he takes of the helmet) but also the man as he once was....

Because the Jedi are the only ones who know of this power, isn't it possible to accept Anakin AS HE WAS when he was a Jedi and not when he was Sith? It's as if the Jedi and the Force granted Anakin special circumstances. That still doesn't change the fact that Anakin paid dearly for his mistakes in the past. He's not off the hook by any means...but he does stop the horror that he started and for that, he gets to become as he WAS...not what he had become....

But what you don't understand that the man who was the sith for 20 years is the one who saved Luke & Fullfilled the prophecy, and that is what a strong image Shaw gives off at the end. Forget what we prefer, lets just look at logic. The thing about Darth Vader, and the whole moral of ROTJ is that even though Vader is this evil twisted man there is this OUNCE of goodness somewhere in him that does all these good things at the end to save his son. So the person never changed, he was still there all these years, or he wouldn't have been conflicted in ROTJ as Vader is during the whole movie. The reason he is conflicted is he is still Anakin Skywalker, and it is Luke that is making him realize that man never died. Seeing old Anakin confirms a true character arc for EVERYTHING he did, his love, his hate, his compassion, his sins, all of that is there with Shaw the character, but putting Hayden there you are throwing away 20 years of what that man did, including the end of ROTJ when he redeemed himself.