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#258107
Topic
Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258107/action/topic#258107
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Originally posted by: JediRandyI'm called a "gusher"... and I'm permabanned there, so they don't really lean PT/SE.... they over-mod the hell out of the place though, that's for sure.



Trust me JR, gushers have left too, as there are many PT fans that populate ORS. The difference between them and the TFN gushers, is that the TFN gushers do not speak ill of the PT or SW at all. The company line there is, "I see all 6 movies equally." and alot of good PT fans left that site along with all the persecuted bashers.

The ironic thing about the TFN PT gushers is that they will get their jabs in at The Original SW when ever they can. I even had an argument once that SW '77 was a standalone movie when it first came out. They kept insisting that everyone knew back in '77 that 2 movies would follow and that the backstory would be told later. I then told them that Episode IV was not on the opening crawl back in '77, and they kept saying I was lying.

TFN is populated by alot of people who just don't know their SW history and have bought into Lucas revisionism. They believe the saga was always about Darth Vader, even in 1977. They believe Lucas had this grand story from day one, they belive that the OOT are just rough drafts, and can't understand why anyone would want to watch 'those' versions.

I gave up there a long time ago, cause I had so many of my posts either edited or deleted when I would call people on their wrong facts. I can't tell you how many times I was warned for baiting and flaming and shouldn't argue with any one person, even though that person was just flat out lying to make their point.

I tried for years to get an OOT board, where you can only talk OOT, no SE, no PT, just 77-83 talk, kinda like this page was. I continually asked the mods, and got responses like this, "Why would you want to talk about the OOT, the saga is the SE + PT now?" or "If Lucas doesn't recognize the OOT, then there is no reason to make a seperate page for talk like that."

That is why I left.
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#258018
Topic
Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258018/action/topic#258018
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Originally posted by: BeeJayTheForce.net does lean toward PT love. But I have seen many ppl there who openly hate the PT, and nothing is done about them.

Maybe TF.N isn't as communistic as we would like to believe? Lots of OOT lovers there who are still active to this day.

Can someone explain to me?


Of course no website is going to lockstep in their views, so I am sure there are still some OOT fans left on the site, but trust me, the majority all left last year, and I can name dozens of them who are at ORS now. The funny thing is alot of PT fans left TFn and went to ORS, cause they were frustrated too, cause they are not lockstep either towards all 6 movies, as they will readily admit the movies flaws, but still love them in a certain way too.

If you have time, go back 3-4 years, or even before ROTS and check out the debates and how good they really were. That site was the best in its time before the end of the PT, as you would get all sides of the debates regarding SW. Now you have just a bunch of people who love the PT, and 2-3 naysayers who vehemently hate the PT who are just getting everyone riled up. Now many would say, isn't that the exact thing that happens here, but the other way around? I say that is exactly right, but check out the name of the website we all post at, it is pretty clear what versions we are fighting against sir George.

The bottom line is we have an agenda here which is pretty specific and to the point. TFN has an agenda, but doesn't come right out and say it, and that is why so many people have left the site in the last year.

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#257994
Topic
Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257994/action/topic#257994
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyenok, i'm a retard or something, but what's ORS?
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My fault for not being clear, ORS is www.outerrimsieges.com

This site was created last year after ROTS and is comprised of all disgruntled www.theforce.net SW fans who were either banned from that site or just fed up with the mods there. After ROTS, TFn mods started ruling with an iron fist and a full fledge war started on that site cause many SW fans didn't conform to their views, meaning you have to love all 6 movies equally. A group of 20 ex-TFn'ers started ORS as we call it now, and just let people say whatever the hell we wanted, and the ironic thing is the site is more dignified then TFN even though you can call someone whatever you want. What happened is everyone started posting and there was a level of respect among different POV, meaning people wouldn't get mad if I loved the OOT, and I wouldn't get mad if they loved Jar Jar. There are still some flame wars, but it is all good fun, and nobody has left since it started.

I come to this site for pure OT talk, and that is what it was before Gomer started mucking up every thread. So you can call me on that if you want for not wanting other POV on this site, but this site never was made for that type of SW debate, and that is why alot of people got bent out of shape.
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#257924
Topic
Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257924/action/topic#257924
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Originally posted by: lordjedi

On that note, I think it's perfectly acceptable to like the prequels. I personally only like parts and really dislike the majority of the PT. The difference between here and TFN is that most of the time, you're skewered alive for even asking for the OOT in a completely remastered format over there. It's all about discussing the "saga" over there and if you dissent in any way the mods seem to come down on you hard. Don't question God Lucas, he knows best. Whether what he didn't doesn't make sense without some really twisted logic or not doesn't matter. At least here you can ask questions about things that don't really make sense and have a good discussion about it. Don't try that over at TFN.



Amen, that place has driven more SW fans away then any other site. It is a small niche of saga fans who want total inclusion on the surface of the site to make it look fair, but deep down they hate the following SW fans:

1. Anyone who loves the OOT over the SE, remember the usual comeback about non-anamorphic, "You are getting what you deserve."

2. Anyone whose favorite SW movie is Star Wars, remember the thread, "ANH....is it meh?"

3. Anyone who does not love every minute of the PT movies, remember the psyco-analyzing, "You didn't like the movies cause it didn't have the story you wanted, or you went in with too much expectations."

4. Anyone who doesn't see the saga equally 1-6, remember the company line always was, "I don't love any SW movie over another, I see them all equally as one 14 hour story."

That place is a joke, and they finally got what they wanted, 1-6 SW Saga fans. Now go read the threads, BORRRRRING!!!!! I post at ORS when I want some fun SW debate.
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#257638
Topic
Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257638/action/topic#257638
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JediRandy, it is not the point of whose saga it is, cause I agree that Solo is not the main character of SW. My point is many fans like me get chastised for because it is 'only a few seconds' of changes, and I say that isn't fair, cause some of the greatest scenes in movie history are of just a split second.

Luke looking at the binary sunset in ANH is my favorite scene of all 6 movies, it is what SW is about to me, and I get goosebumps everytime that scene comes on screen, but JR, it is only a few seconds as you would say.

Lucas took out Lukes wink to the force ghosts in ROTJ that was there in the O-OT version, but is gone in the SE version, WHY? I am being serious, why would Lucas take out that wink or I would say the little nod to Yoda, Kenobi, and his father? It is only a split second, but it is nice ending to ROTJ?

You can lambast me all you want, but I like the little moments in SW, and the more you tinker a movie like Lucas does, the more you have a chance of finding a particular scene that someone really loved the first time they saw it. That is my problem.
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#257623
Topic
Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257623/action/topic#257623
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Originally posted by: JediRandy

Dude, I'll even give you the Greedo shoots first thing... and maybe the jabba scene.... it all amounts to a few minutes of new stuff... nothing is erased.... especially your memories. If you let a big nothing erase the fun these flicks gave you then you're really stretching and just wasting something that could be and was a lot of fun... it's a shame people flip out over this shit.

Stop acting like these movies are yours and maybe you'll enjoy them again.



How would you feel if Coppola changed The Godfather scene and had the cop shoot Michael Corleone first and miss and Pacino shoots him out of self defense, to connect his character more like Godfather III where he tries to redeem himself?

I mean it is only a few seconds, yet it is one of the most powerful scenes in movie history. But then again, why should I complain if Coppola changed it, it's not my movie right?
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#256918
Topic
Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256918/action/topic#256918
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Originally posted by: JediRandy



Sure, have a POV, it doesn't mean anything , though. The kicker is he actually listened to this "huge" fanboy "outcry" and released the thing on DVD but, in true SW fan fashion, it wasnt' good enough so the bitching continued.

He could come over and install a digital theater in the fans living rooms for their state-of-the-art DVD to play on and they'd still complain.



Come on JR, I don't think that is fair. Of course you are always going to have a couple of idiots who complain about anything that Lucas does, but there is a huge majority out here who would be totally happy if Lucas put out the OOT in 2006 DVD quality, meaning Anamorphic Widescreen.

I know I would, and I wouldn't care what else he did in the future, because DVD's will last forever and I still believe HDDVD will be a niche market like Laserdisk. All of the DVD's I have will stay in my collection until I die, cause DVD quality is great, and I am not going to waste my money on HDDVD for alittle bit better quality. The reason people are mad is because Anamorphic DVD's are such a leap from laserdisks and VHS, where it is a huge difference, whereas HDDVD is better, but not a huge leap.

Give me OOT on DVD in the quality the 2004 transfers & sound was and Lucas will never have to hear from me again, just like Zemeckis has never had to hear from me since I bought Back to the Future Trilogy in Anamorphic Widescreen in 2002. It is real easy, put out a great product, and fans will be happy. But then again, I guess we have to run around in circles in this arguement for the zillionth time.
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#255962
Topic
The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255962/action/topic#255962
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I thought those things were fine, and it certianly didn't hurt the films at the box office.

No matter what Lucas did, there would be fans who didn't like it for whatever valid personal reason I think.



Dude, that is the 10,000 time you have said this shit, I have quotes of you saying this on SW.com, TF.n, now OT.com, where else do you post. The fact that you don't have the balls to even post once on ORS after you did sign up, tells me you have no balls what so ever.

Come on Gomer, are you going to post at ORS, or sit in your basement, excuse me, your labaratory all day and post away the same lines. You are like those old Timex Computers from the early 80's

10, "No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
20 Goto 10

"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."'
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."
"No matter what Lucas did, the fans will never love him."


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#255943
Topic
Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255943/action/topic#255943
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
How could a poll asking wether or not I should be banned, not be an attempt to get me banned?

Your second post doesn't change the thread topic does it?



Nobody gives a shit about your opinion, you signed up here Sept. 13th, that is the day AFTER the fucking O-OT came out, is that a coincidence? Come to the ORS you big pussy, cause you post on every fucking SW site, get some balls, and come play with the big boys.

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#255940
Topic
The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255940/action/topic#255940
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I have been trying to keep my rambling in this thread, and I don't see any problem with offering an opinion on myself in the Opinion about me thread.

I appreciate you considering what I have to say.



You are rambling on several SW sites about the same shit, you talk on TFN, OT.com, and SW.com, why won't you come to ORS and start your bullshit rambling, are you afraid?
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#255862
Topic
The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255862/action/topic#255862
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I honestly think that by assuming what Lucas means, you are the one limiting your own perception of the Force.

I mean obviousy Qui-Gon is presented as a loose cannon in the Jedi order. A Jedi who rarely goes along with the status quo.

Why would his beleifs rank as provable fact in your mind?



Are you going over to ORS or what?
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#255857
Topic
Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255857/action/topic#255857
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
How do you keep a hate monger in suspense?


I don't care if I get banned here, and maybe Jay will ban both of us for totally ruining these threads today, but Darth Poppy has asked for you to post at ORS, as you were spewing your bullshit on TFN with him yesterday and hiding behind the mods there, so he has asked:

"When will Gomer start posting at ORS?"
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#255852
Topic
Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255852/action/topic#255852
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
So let me get this straight, you guys are really sick of seeing my posts, and are trying to get rid of me at -this- site, yet you want me to go post on another forum you frequent because you are convinced they will rip me a new one?

I signed up there last week when you guys invited me. I haven't even made one post yet, and you are telling me that they already have ready made witch trial threads (specifically about me) that I could just slip right into?

You guys are incredible. It's obvious that I am not the insitgator here. It's not even a theory at this point, you guys readily admit to your tactics.



No, I just want you to come to a site where people want to debate you, but they are not going to sit back and take the bait like many here, cause there are too many nice guys here who have been putting up with your shit. You go to that site, and people will make sure you don't keep spewing the same shit everytime, and derail threads, you will be forced to comform.
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#255850
Topic
Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255850/action/topic#255850
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't see why we can't do that here.


I am going to hound you at this site forever until you start posting there, and the reason you don't post at ORS, is people over there aren't going to take your endless bullshit posts and let you get away with what you do at other sites. These people will rip you a new asshole at that place, so everytime I see you post here Gomer, I will follow it up with

"When you will be posting at ORS?"

Have fun here, cause you have annoyed the shit out of people on this site, and drove many off, so now I want you to come to a place where people will actually debate you and won't leave that site cause of your presence.



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#255846
Topic
Star Wars most inconsistent plot point, in my opinion: Star Wars Lethal Alliance game
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255846/action/topic#255846
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Okay, that does make more sense.



I don't care if it makes sense, you need to start posting at ORS, and forget about this site, you buddy Jedi Randy atleast has the guts to post there, and he is a welcome addition. Meet me over at ORS, and we can have a real debate about the PT.
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#255843
Topic
Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255843/action/topic#255843
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Gomer, over at ORS, they have a post of how many websites you are signed up:

TFN
OT.com
ORS (Supposedly you just opened an account)
SW.com

Jesus, how many fuckin SW sites do you post at, and it seems you post all day on all these sites, do you have a life? If you signed up at ORS, please start posting, because the community of fans over there is ready for your endless repetitive posts about sucking Lucas's ass.

We have extended another invitation to you, hopefully we can start seeing Gomertonic posts on ORS any day now........
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#255807
Topic
Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255807/action/topic#255807
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Originally posted by: JamesEightBitStar

But I can't help it... people who think only opinions they agree with should be heard, people who act like authorities on things they know nothing about, and people who make up their own rules so they can try to force said rules on people who don't want them are three of my biggest pet peeves, and I don't feel the least bit sorry to hurt the feelings of those who press my hot buttons.



JEBS, I know that passions run high here, and by no means have I ever wanted anyone to get banned because it just doesn't set a good example for the site, but in all honesty this site has never been a basher/gusher fest, and I have noticed alot of good posters don't post here anymore cause that is what it has turned into here.

I post at two SW sites, ORS & OT.com. I post at ORS for PT/OT debates, and that is why I can't wait for Gomer to come over there, cause even the gushers will get annoyed with his repetitive posts. Most ORS posters are OT fans, but in the same vein they are fans that really like the PT and really hate the PT, so it is a good mix there, and nobody hides their views on what they love and hate. There are so many guys there who defend the PT but readily admit that ANH/ESB are the two best of the saga, so it is a different perspective.

Gomer is just a guy who defends Lucas, and defends Lucas, and he has a right to do that, but who the fuck wants to argue with anyone who just defends him on anything? I like some aspects of the PT, but I also don't want to hear someone that just hates EVERYTHING about the PT, there has to be something that they like?

This site has changed in the last month, and if you go through old topics in '05, early '06 they were much different. Sure there was PT bashing, but most O-OT fans don't love the PT, most either hate it or like some of the movies. Now it is like TFN here, where the threads have just gotten downright personal and that just turns me off. I click on the threads and just see people throwing insults back and forth at each other, and it is downright stupid.

I think alot of people are frustrated cause the site has changed and it was never a PT/OT basher thread. Sure there are alot of people here who don't want to hear it from the other side, but I think they just don't want to hear the same repetitive shit over and over from one person in EVERY thread.

I think what will happen is alot of people are just going to leave, or kinda just stop posting when they see Gomers name as the last post on 7 threads, and whether that is blackballing or people not wanting to hear the other side, in some ways your right, but I just want you to know the site was not always like this, and that is why alot of people are bent out of shape now.

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#255714
Topic
Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255714/action/topic#255714
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't know I prefer more mature sites where it's not all just mud slinging.

And I'm not making Darth_Evil do anything.



You be suprised how much more intelligent the posters at ORS are then TFN. I even like the PT gushers there, cause they are not just Lucas Lackeys, they admit what parts of the PT are pure shit, but they readily admit to still loving the films, so how can I argue with that?

ORS is loaded with ex-TFN gushers and bashers and suprisingly they all get along there, cause no one has an agenda there, unlike TFN where if you don't see all films equally, they think you are not a fan, yet one of the mods started a thread, "Is ANH meh?" Any many morons agreed!

What kinda of fucking SW site talks shit about the Original SW, which is my favorite movie of all-time, yet chastises me as a basher cause I don't love Lucas's PT films. That is the ultimate irony over there.