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Post: #280346
Topic: Possible original Star Wars screening?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280346/action/topic#280346
Time: 2-Apr-2007 10:18 AM

Originally posted by: generalfrevious
Lets face it. The SE will be the only version shown to the public from now on, even if we do get the OOT saved

This is true guys, we have to face it, the OOT will only ever appear on a DVD or HD-DVD edition to please this fanbase and thats it. When it is shown to the public via the theaters, private screening, or cable, it will be the SE. I don't like it, and a matter of fact I truly hate that this has happened to the OT, but as Luke said to Kenobi in SW, "There is nothing I can do about it."

Post: #279995
Topic: How does Star Wars compare?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/279995/action/topic#279995
Time: 30-Mar-2007 6:59 PM

Great idea for a thread, cause I am always interest in HOW MUCH a SW fan a person is, and I guess I am as diehard as they come.

1. My favorite movie of all-time has always been The Original SW, cause nothing beats those two hours, as I have watched that movie hundreds of times in my life, and it never gets old.

2. The OOT is my favorite trilogy of all-time, mostly cause ESB is the greatest sequel ever made. No trilogy comes close to the 1-2 punch of SW-ESB in terms of quality, and due to the greatness of those films, ROTJ gets as much slack as any OK sequel can get cause i have to have closure to finish the story.

3. As for impact, nothing to this day has come close to the OOT. I loved BTTF, Superman, and Indiana Jones growing up, but they just aren't on the same level as a SW movie, though are still great for the genre. There is just something about the OOT that never gets old, and I have never tired of those 3 movies in terms of replay value. A friend of mine were talking the other day about how those movies just stayed with ya as a little kid, and weren't just the flavor of the month like so many blockbusters today. Maybe it is the characters? Maybe it is the uplifting story and how any one of us could be Luke, Leia, or Han? Maybe it is the clear line between good and evil that the movies portray? Or maybe cause they are just great fucking movies? I do know this, I still watch them alot, and after witnessing the PT hit the screens the past 8 years, I have come to appreciate the OOT alot more now, cause Lucas had me ready to love a whole new trilogy, and he couldn't do it, in someways the OOT is so good, I dont' think he ever had a chance.

"Those who follow greatness, are doomed for failure."

Post: #279728
Topic: PT: Directors, Actors, Writers?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/279728/action/topic#279728
Time: 28-Mar-2007 11:39 PM

Zombie, I agree with ya that Lucas made Anakin into a whiny teenager, and is not the fault of Christensen in that respect. But how come the older, more experienced actors can overcome Lucas's bad directing and dialogue?

I still stand by that every older actor turned in good performances: Neeson, McGregor, August, McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, and I will concede that Sam Jackson's performance wasn't that great, but I still feel he is TOO big of a star to be in a SW movie, I couldn't get past that bad mo-fo from Pulp Fiction being a jedi.

I just think that Christensen couldn't deliver on those dramatic scenes, especially in ROTS. I won't fault him on the AOTC love story, but the big scene at the end of ROTS with Padme/Anakin/Kenobi on Mustafar is just awful to watch. When Hayden says, "You will not take her from me!!!!!!!!" or "Don't lecture me Obiwan...." Do you think an actor like Eric Bana or Christian Bale or even Ed Norton would play that scene any better? If Lucas would have nixed Jake Lloyd, and hired a real good older actor from the getgo in the PT to play Anakin, I think alot of us would feel differently towards the movies, even with their other faults. The main problem is none of us care about the main character in the PT, and now in the saga too, and I can think of so many better actors that could have filled those shoes, just like Christian Bale did over Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney in Batman Begins last year.

Post: #279712
Topic: PT: Directors, Actors, Writers?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/279712/action/topic#279712
Time: 28-Mar-2007 8:49 PM

Zombie, you know I always respect your opinion, but I have to respectfully disagree with ya here. I think Portman is very overrated actress, and Hayden is very average too. I am not saying Portman is a bad actress, cause she has done some good work, but I have never been blown away by anything she does, although she is super hot!

Christenson to me is just average, and sure he was good in Shattered Glass, but to me every actor has that one role to fit them perfectly. If you watch the TV show Higher Ground which was on in 2000, right before filming AOTC, Hayden plays a troubled kid who does the same whiny voice and whiny expressions, and that is cause I believe he is a symbol of alot of actors today, good looks but not much talent. Sure good looks have always been a part of Hollywood, but I feel the quality in acting has surely dropped in the last 15-20 years, and most of the great actors now are secondary actors.

As bad as a director as Lucas has become with the PT, McGregor, McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, Pernilia August, and Liam Neeson all turned in good performances in those movies, mostly cause they are seasoned actors that even though the dialogue is very campy in SW, they can overcome it the same way Alec Guiness, Phil Brown, Peter Cushing, were able to do it in the OT movies.

I think if Lucas would have made Anakin in late 20's, he could have hired a more experienced actor to play him, like an Eric Bana, someone who could carry a movie with those dramatic scenes. I think McGregor is great in ROTS, and when he is yelling at Anakin when he is burning up is one of the few times I got goosebumps, but Hayden/Natalie and their acting in the PT is downright average most of the time, but they are good looking, and that is what sells in Hollywood now.

Post: #278321
Topic: The Secret History of Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/278321/action/topic#278321
Time: 20-Mar-2007 8:10 AM

Post: #278142
Topic: The Secret History of Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/278142/action/topic#278142
Time: 19-Mar-2007 7:45 AM

Great work Zombie, I started reading it and couldn't stop it was so interesting. If Lucas just admitted to all this stuff in a documentary, I probably wouldn't have any problems with him changing the saga to where it is now. It is more admirable to saying that he kept reconfiguring the saga as each episode approached rather then having this all planned in the mid 70's. This book is a true example where humbleness breeds respect, and by Lucas constantly saying this and that and the fanbase exposing the lies for 30 years, you have the fans telling the real story rather then the creator.

Post: #277501
Topic: Six-Movie Star Wars Marathon at Celebration IV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/277501/action/topic#277501
Time: 15-Mar-2007 7:48 AM

It is so ironic that they are celebrating the 30th Anniversary of SW by showing all 6 films, and the version that is 30 years old doesn't exist anymore! It should be a marathon of all 6 movies to commerorate the 10th Anniversary.

Post: #277361
Topic: What were your original expectations for the PT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/277361/action/topic#277361
Time: 14-Mar-2007 4:39 PM

I am going to give a different take on how I felt in 1998, I was very suspect about the PT from the start for two reasons:

1. Han, Luke, Leia

2. Already knowing the story

-The first one was Lucas biggest mountain to climb, as I always thought he had a tough rode to make ANY characters as good as those three from the OT. Even though the PT is different in story, tone, and a tragic ending, you still have to create characters you care for, and I just thought he was not going to strike lightning in a bottle twice.

-The second problem was drama, WE ALREADY KNEW WHAT HAPPENED!!! If Lucas did one Prequel movie soley based on Episode III events, as more of a prologue to the OT, it could have worked cause we wouldn't have waited through 2 setup prequels for the real story. But to watch all these characters on screen in Episode I, and knowing who survives cause we saw Episode IV-VI makes these movies very non-dramatic, and in a sense makes you wait for everything you want to see on screen, instead of the OT story, where you waited to see WHAT happened on screen. I mean do you think a trilogy about Vito Corleone would be interesting? No, Coppola did one movie that sprinkled in flashbacks that gave just enough backround to make it interesting for any Godfather I fan, but not too much where it seemed bloated.

I think prequels are not worth it, because it is just too hard to tell a story that we already kinda know about. Sure there are cool things in the PT, but a 3 movie trilogy is just too much to grasp onto a trilogy that has already been told. I think it is the ultimate irony that the OT is the greatest trilogy in movies, and the PT is the greatest what if trilogy in movies.

Post: #275896
Topic: See George there's no reason to lie... (future of star wars)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/275896/action/topic#275896
Time: 7-Mar-2007 1:11 PM

Originally posted by: C3PX

George Lucas reminds me of an adult version of this. "So do you plan on any more sequels?"
"Yes, I have a treatment written for a nine episode saga"
"You misunderstood me, I only ever intended to do six film, three really good one and three really crappy ones."
"So, about those original movies, you know the ones that are not the special editions?"
"Oh, those, I am sorry my brother lost them so they don't exist anymore."
"I see those original films are on DVD now, I thought you lost them?"
"Oh, yeah I found them, but this LD is the best quality they will ever be in, but nobody wants them anyway. They suck. LD quality is plenty for people who like to watch films with crappy quality 70s special effects. Those kind of people don't really have eyes."

"I only intended to have Jar Jar play a major role in Episode I, and his reduced role in Episode II & III had zero to do with the huge backlash against him."

Post: #275313
Topic: How to be a SW fan
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/275313/action/topic#275313
Time: 5-Mar-2007 6:42 AM

Where I disagree with him is my hate of SW started once the OOT was deemed obsolete by Lucas in 2004. Sure I think the PT movies are average, sure I think the Holiday Special Sucks, and sure there are too many EU Books that have dilluted the series, but those are all SW stuff that I don't have to read or watch, so I don't hate any of that stuff. What I hate is the suppression and the changing of the real OT, I am not calling the OOT anymore, it is the real OT, and I will stand by my statement I made years ago if Lucas never touched the OT movies, all you would have is this niche fanbase who couldn't get over the PT movies complaining, but now he has people like me who just want to watch SW, Empire, and Jedi the way I saw them from 77-83 bitching and pissed off at him.

Post: #275030
Topic: To those who own the OOT Sept Release & an HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/275030/action/topic#275030
Time: 3-Mar-2007 2:18 PM

Originally posted by: dark_jedi
Upconvert DVD Players

Thanks!

Post: #275006
Topic: To those who own the OOT Sept Release & an HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/275006/action/topic#275006
Time: 3-Mar-2007 12:17 PM

Originally posted by: dark_jedi
I still watch my Sept. 12th set,and I have a 62' HDTV and play the discs on an upconvert DVD player from OPPO,but I ran a mild grain filter,and made them anamorphic widescreen,so I am totally happy.

Please explain more about what you did, cause a friend of mine told me if I buy a Pro-Scan DVD player, all DVD's look better. What is a an upconvert DVD player?

Post: #274995
Topic: To those who own the OOT Sept Release & an HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274995/action/topic#274995
Time: 3-Mar-2007 11:47 AM

It has been about 6 months from the release of the OOT on Sept 12th and judging by many rumors we may never see the OOT ever again on DVD or HDDVD, and I was just wondering from those who bought the DVD's and have an HDTV:

Overall thoughts?
Do you still watch them?
Does the grain in the hoth & tatooine scenes bother you?
Did you go back to the SE cause they do look better?
Have you just put up your hands and accepted the quality and made peace with yourself cause it is the OOT?

I am just interested now that there has been ample time to watch these things, and I guess do you still watch them even though watching them on an HDTV amplifies its flaws.

Post: #274989
Topic: 30 years amongst the stars: Let this be the Year!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274989/action/topic#274989
Time: 3-Mar-2007 11:06 AM

Originally posted by: TheCassidy
If there's one thing I love more than Star Wars it's naked chicks.

If there'a one thing I love more than naked chicks it is how Star Wars fans can find new and inventive ways of saying the same thing over and over and over and over again.

How about this one?

George Lucas - thanks for making an enjoyable film series.

Cassidy, I do hear what you're saying, but until anything is announced for the OOT in the rumored next boxset by Lucas, these type of threads will populate the site. I never looked at this site as site to talk SW like other boards, TFN or ORS, this is more or less a site thats one goal is to get the OOT out on DVD and the talk here is about that and also the frustrations many fans feel towards everything. Now I think this site has alot to do with why it was released last September, but that was only step one, as we all now want it to come out fully restored. I am just saying that the day (hopefully) the OOT is announced in fully restored quality, we can all pack it up here and just enjoy the movies again.

Post: #274869
Topic: Lucas @ The Oscars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274869/action/topic#274869
Time: 2-Mar-2007 4:31 PM

Originally posted by: TheCassidy

Star Wars not winning Best Picture or Best Director or Best Screenplay makes perfect sense to me given the attitudes and social mores of the time. Think of another escapist fantasy film not starting with Lord or ending in Of The Rings that won Best Picture. It's just the way it goes. Films of no substance, despite popularity, don't fare well with Academy voters.

I agree that the academy has that 'snobby' attitude towards many films especially fantasy films, but the fact that SW was nominated for 10 Academy Awards that year is still what astounds me. Before 1977, I have looked back and I can't find any 'fantasy' film that was even nominated, and correct me if I am wrong, was 2001 even nominated in 1968 for Best Picture?

The fact that Lucas got nominated for Best Screenplay, Guiness got nominated for Best Supporting Actor, and SW the movie got nominated for Best Picture is still a feat even though it didn't win cause before LOTR, NO film like that ever won. But I think SW changed the way even the Oscars nominated movies after that. Think of Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1981 getting 8 nominations, 1 for Best Picture. Think about it, a 2 hour action/serial adventure is nominated for a fucking academy award.

If you look at the winners of the Academy Awards throughout the SW years, SW never had a chance:

1976: Rocky
1977: Annie Hall
1978: Deer Hunter
1979: Kramer vs Kramer
1980: Ordinary People
1981: Chariots of Fire
1982: Gandhi
1983: Terms of Endearment
1984: Amadeus
1985: Out of Africa

Anybody notice a trend here? SW never had a chance, and I believe the only reason Return of the King won in 2003 was because it was more a salute to the 3 year journey that LOTR was able to produce and not because the movie was some classic. I believe if LOTR were just one movie instead of 3, it wouldn't have won an Academy Award. I do still think Lucas deserved Best Director, cause I think the academy ties that TOO much with Best Picture, and doesnt' take account the merits of how a director could make a movie different. 95% of the time Best Movie and Best Director are the same.

Post: #274844
Topic: Lucas @ The Oscars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274844/action/topic#274844
Time: 2-Mar-2007 2:53 PM

Originally posted by: TheCassidy

You have seen Annie Hall, right?

The screenplay for Annie Hall is golden. The screenplay for Star Wars is a blueprint.

See, for best screenplay, I think Annie Hall deserves, cause the writing is second to none in that movie. I still think there is a debate between Best Picture for SW & Annie Hall, cause they are both considered classics today. As for Best Director, I still think Lucas deserved the award over Woodie Allen, because SW was revolutionary at the time, and the fact that it made it on screen and was such a great movie, Lucas had to credit for that.

Post: #274335
Topic: a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274335/action/topic#274335
Time: 28-Feb-2007 10:24 AM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"And maybe it'll happen after he passes away."

Are you kidding? He's going to take them with him.

Here lies the tomb of George the grey, the SE were his fortay. He hated the originals so much, his obsession with CG left him so out of touch. He stated that the originals don't exist, even though he would profit on them as he ruled with an iron fist. The only fans left are the ones who love the saga, we all laugh at them more then we did when Anakin fell into lava. George has one chance left with all the fans here, either he remasters the originals, or we will give him one final jeer. George can tinker and tinker away, as he continues to ruin SW everyday, but we will always be here to remind him, that seeing it 4-6 is the only way.

Post: #274016
Topic: Lucas @ The Oscars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274016/action/topic#274016
Time: 26-Feb-2007 7:25 PM

Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine

The Academy was well aware that Star Wars was a half-finished film in 1977. They were also aware in 1997 that Star Wars was still not complete, but alas, the 2004 release was direct to video...

HA! Can you imagine if SW won in 1978? You would have many academy voters wanting to take back their vote, "I am sorry I voted for that half-completed movie!"

Post: #273952
Topic: Lucas @ The Oscars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273952/action/topic#273952
Time: 26-Feb-2007 3:44 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
To this day, it's complete BS that Lucas didn't win Best Director and Best Picture for Star Wars back at the Oscars in '78. I'm sorry, has Annie Hall had the cultural impact that Star Wars has?

If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....

Annie Hall is a great movie, and probably Woody Allens best, but SW should have won that year. You can always make a case for which movie is better, cause they are both great, but Lucas should have won Best Director, just by the fact of how difficult the movie was to make and it transcended movies back then and even today, isn't that what the category is made for?

The problem with Oscars is they always give it to a director who is overdue at the time, and Lucas was so young then. Look at Scorcese last night, he has made classics like Goodfellas, Taxidriver and Raging Bull, and the Departed gets him his first oscar? That was more of a lifetime award just like Ron Howard won for A Beautiful Mind in 2002 when his best movie was Apollo 13. I have never respected the Oscars since Shakespeare in Love beat out Saving Private Ryan.

Post: #273938
Topic: What the fuck??? : George is definitely gone "bye bye"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273938/action/topic#273938
Time: 26-Feb-2007 2:40 PM

Originally posted by: ForceFreak
Uhm sorry people but George was talking about the Box Office! of Empire!

Hes saying this for a couple of years now and hes right about it.

So come down!

I don't think George is right, if he understand the word 'inflation'

Movie tickets in 1980 were about 4 dollars compared to the PT days when they were between 8-10 dollars, so here is an adjusted inflations table where all the movies are on the same monetary scale:

ANH - 1.17 Billion
ESB - 646 million
ROTJ- 618 million

TPM - 558 million
AOTC- 351 million
ROTS- 390 million

And if you want to take the away the SE grosses that were tacked on in 1997, the OT movies STILL outgross all the PT movies:

ANH - 890 million
ESB - 579 million
ROTJ- 573 million

Post: #273910
Topic: a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273910/action/topic#273910
Time: 26-Feb-2007 12:59 PM

Originally posted by: Number20
Its amazing how much things have changed. When the Definitive Edition was released on Laserdisc, it was an amazing set for its day. A commentary track even if it didn't run the entire movie, and the extras, were incredible for its day, when anything additional was pretty impressive. Today, we get the '04 DVD with trailers and Empire of Dreams, and a bad commentary track, not exactly 'nothing' but not very good, considering what it could of been. Subsequent releases didn't even give us that bonus disc. The PT gets a bonus disc for each movie, but the OT doesn't rate that much. Why not? Maybe we are spoiled with all these extras, but its not like Lucasfilm doesn't have loads of stuff that could be made into extras laying around. Some of the stuff that has come out of this board shows that. The common guess is that they were waiting until 'later' to release the bonus materials. Maybe they've decided that they've just gone to the well too many times, and have given up. I hope not. But as someone has said earlier, nowhere has anything been promised. It was just assumed by the fans because this is the 30th anniversary year. We'll see.

I just think Lucasfilm is lazy and don't really want to put out the definitive set. I always get mad at the Lucasfilm when I see how the LOTR movies were treated on DVD. You have a choice of the theatrical versions with a good amount of extras on the second disk, or the extended cuts in DTS, along with 3 bonus disks of countless documentaries that takes days or weeks to watch. Putting aside the SE/OOT debate, the '04 DVD Boxset is lame compared to other trilogy boxsets, and maybe they were holding off for future releases to cash in, but who knows anymore.

Post: #273882
Topic: Lucas @ The Oscars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273882/action/topic#273882
Time: 26-Feb-2007 10:39 AM

It was funny, and it was cool to see Spielberg, Coppola, and Lucas on stage with Scorcese, and if they had Brian Depalma up there it could have been a tribute to the great Directors of the 70's who really changed films.

Think of the body of work Lucas, Coppola, and Spielberg have done:

Jaws
Star Wars Trilogy
Raiders of the Lost Ark
E.T.
The Godfather Trilogy
Close Encounters
Schindlers List
Saving Private Ryan
Jurassic Park
Apocalypse Now
American Grafitti
The Conversation

Post: #273781
Topic: What the fuck??? : George is definitely gone "bye bye"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273781/action/topic#273781
Time: 25-Feb-2007 2:05 PM

Originally posted by: TheCassidy

Big difference between thought out, articulate arguments and positive petitions, and "George Lucas raped my childhood" statements. That's the whining I refer to.

Cassidy, I have honestly never heard someone post that statement about 'raping my childhood' other then when people use it against our side for wanting the OOT. Somebody must have said it way back in 1997, but I just can't find one post from anyone here who has ever said that.

As for people whining, it is the internet, and you have to take the internet with a grain of salt. The internet is like talk radio, it is enjoyable, educational, but you will get extremes who call in and just bitch and bitch, so I have learned thats what happens when you are allowed to call or post something anomously, you are able to be alittle more frank then you would in person.

I do hear what your saying, and I used to be very frustrated with the internet, and the constant battles between fans who this side of the OOT, and that side of the SE, and that side of the PT, but honestly I just jump into the threads that suit me and if I think it is getting childish, I just don't bother posting.

Post: #273773
Topic: What the fuck??? : George is definitely gone "bye bye"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273773/action/topic#273773
Time: 25-Feb-2007 1:32 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
Not on Episode V. Sure, brainstorming ideas and such, but it was Lucas who put pen to pad and created the structure and scenes for Episode V after Brackett died. Remember, Lucas essentially started from scratch after reading Brackett's draft of Episode V. Once he did his draft that set the tone, Kersh and Kasdan did the rest.

Episode V doesn't work without Lucas. He shouldn't get all the credit but he shouldn't be left out either.

Just remember with ESB, Lucas did not write the classic Han Solo line, "I know." Lucas wrote, "I love you too." and when Kersh & Ford changed it on set, and Lucas saw it in his first screening, he thought the crowd would laugh at it. So he made a pact with Kersh to let the audience decide at the preview whether to leave it in or not, and the audience loved it! It is all in the Annotated Screenplays.

I am just saying if Lucas written & directed ESB, we might have gotten a romance with Han/Leia more like Padme/Anakin in AOTC, and many of us here would only be SW '77 fans, and think the rest of the movies were inferior.

Post: #273760
Topic: a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273760/action/topic#273760
Time: 25-Feb-2007 11:04 AM

Originally posted by: Jumpman

"please someone tell me what's prevented LFL over all these years from remastering the OUT."

Because, he didn't want to. The Special Edition is closer to what he wanted all along, from the beginning. He feels this is what HE wants to see out there in the general public when it comes to Star Wars.
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Jumpman, you were one of those fans in April '06 who told many of us here, "He will never release the OOT, and he said it a couple years ago, so get over it!"

See this is why none of us can take anything Lucas says at face value. I honestly don't know for sure what is going to happen in the future sets. He may just make more cosmetic changes, he may do nothing, he may put The Emperor in ANH and disbanning the senate, etc.

Lucasfilm is all about marketing, and don't be deceived by that, this is the first time that something SW didn't sell well, and people didn't just jump out in droves and buy something cause they knew it was half-ass.

And as to your point about everybody going crazy over wanting the OOT on DVD as many of us, of course not, but that doesn't mean people still dont' want and prefer it. Most people prefer the OOT, but don't mind the SE, but the word prefer does mean they like it over the SE. I didn't send any letters to Spielberg when it was announced that only the SE was being released for E.T. in 2002, and the original versions was not. But I still wanted the Original Version, and prefer, but I am just not as passionate about it as I was with SW movies. Remember 80,000+ signed this petition, and there are load of non-passionate SW fans who would agree that the OOT should be on DVD in great quality, so the minority is fans that PREFER the SE.

I will ask this, If Lucas only released the OOT in 2004, and never released the SE, do you honestly think there would be as huge an outcry by the fans as there is now?