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Post: #284888
Topic: Original theatrical trailer from 1977 (wanted)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284888/action/topic#284888
Time: 30-Apr-2007 11:46 AM

It is on the 2004 Bonus Documentary Discs. For SW(ANH) trailers, it has:

-1976 Christmas Teaser Trailer
-1977 Release Trailer
-1977/78 Re-Release Trailer
-1997 SE Trailer
-Also there are 3 TV Spots

The 1976 Teaser Trailer is very eerie cause it doesn't contain John Williams' Score, and has a more haunting tone to it.

Post: #284466
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284466/action/topic#284466
Time: 26-Apr-2007 6:03 PM

Cassidy, I am going to agree with you that Indy IV won't suck to fans who enjoy the sequels. I am one who thinks the sequels are entertaining, but have no replay value, and that is why Indy IV to me will be a good renter one night, and thats it. I just can't see Indy IV being another TPM or AOTC.

There are many reasons why Indy IV will be better then any PT movies:

1. Spielberg is directing it, and he rarely puts out duds. Not all his movies are great, but he doesn't just put out some shit movie unless the story is bad. Example, Jurassic Park II, its not a bad movie, its just the story is so outrageous once they get to America with the Dinosaurs, it turns into Godzilla.

2. Indiana Jones movies were never made for kids like ROTJ and the PT tried to go after. There won't be as much kiddy shit in an Indy movie cause Lucas isn't going after that market. There won't be Jar Jar or the Ewoks, cause Indy movies are targeted towards teenagers, like SW & ESB were.

3. Lucas isn't financing this movie like he does with SW, so he is not constantly thinking, "How many people will I get in the theater if I do this or that?" He purposely made TPM for 5 year olds in some respects because he wanted to get a whole new generation of fans in case the OT fans grew up and didn't care, I think he knows that the main demographic for Indy fans, will be mainly Indy fans from 81-89.

Post: #284410
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284410/action/topic#284410
Time: 26-Apr-2007 7:31 AM

Originally posted by: Jumpman

That's a matter of opinion, not fact....especially when there are plenty of fans/critics who see plenty of character and plenty of story(more than the Original Trilogy) in the Prequels.

Oh yeah, TPM was ALL about the characters!!! Jar Jar Binks who plays such a huge role in the saga gets more time then ObiWan Kenobi? Do you know why? Because he was the first digital character, and Lucas wanted to show off the technology. Just watch TPM Documentary when Lucas is in the pre-production stages and says point blank about this character Jar Jar, "Jar Jar is the key to the whole thing." He thought Jar Jar would wow people cause he was the first CGI character, but totally forgot to make him remotely interesting or have any depth that is relevant to the saga, he is a bumbling fool who ruins almost every scene he is in, and was SUPPOSE to be funny, but turned out to be anything but.

Meanwhile the key relationship of the whole Saga now, Anakin & Kenobi, takes a back seat til AOTC, and then they are in the movie together for the first 15 minutes, and then the relationship isn't even given any detail til ROTS, when it is too late by then. Anakin/Kenobi relationship should have been fully explored for 3 movies so we actually give a shit when they fight in ROTS, so you can actually care that they are trying to kill each other, but cause Lucas took so long to show their friendship, it just looked like 2 guys going at on Mustafar. Just think of Han/Luke fighting on Mustafar, and then think of Obiwan/Anakin fighting and tell me which one would be more tragic?

Post: #284265
Topic: Revenge of the sith is the shite and the flies upon it
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284265/action/topic#284265
Time: 25-Apr-2007 1:20 PM

Originally posted by: Marvolo Co, don't take this the wrong way, but do you have a sequel phobia?

In some ways I do because I have seen so many sequels, and I believe ESB is the only sequel to ever match the original, and that goes for Aliens & Godfather II also. Don't get me wrong there are good sequels, but for replay value they just don't have 'it' that the originals always have. What makes a great movie to me is that when you are watching it, the movie has pure magic from start to end, and sequels rarely have that, cause I believe it is impossible to conjure up magic everytime you shoot a movie.

I am old enough to let alot of these movies series sink in and after a good 10-15 years, the original just stand out now as SO much better, and the sequels just seem inferior now, or to me a waste of time, cause in some ways it denegrates the original work. I don't get jazzed for sequels anymore, cause I learned my lesson from years past. I was hyped for the PT, hyped for BTTF sequels, hyped for Temple of Doom, and hyped for The Terminator sequels, and though they all range from bad to very good sequels, I really don't revisit them years later unless they are on cable and I am channel surfing. But when it comes to popping in a DVD, I can watch BTTF, SW, ESB, Raiders, Jaws endlessly cause they have that magic everytime you watch them.

Post: #284165
Topic: Revenge of the sith is the shite and the flies upon it
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284165/action/topic#284165
Time: 24-Apr-2007 11:50 PM

Gaffer, not to get off topic, the BTTF sequels are good, but they don't have the magic the original had, and I guess it is hard to explain. The original BTTF was just about a kid learning about his parents growing up while he was stuck back in time, so in a weird sense, the time travel is the side story of the movie. What makes the Original great is that it makes everyone in the audience whether it be a parent of their kids reassess where they were at that time in their lives? Nobody pictures their parents partying and drinking in high school, because they are your parents! And some parents are naive to think that their kids would do the same because.....they're your kids! The great irony about the Original BTTF is that nothing changes between generations, and that your actions do have consequences, hence the changed ending in the new life Marty walks into after he gets back. I guess this is the reason those films back in the 70's/80's were great, cause they said something like this in the movie, and as a kid you may not get it, but years later this is why they stay great.

Post: #284159
Topic: Revenge of the sith is the shite and the flies upon it
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284159/action/topic#284159
Time: 24-Apr-2007 11:29 PM

In fairness to Lucas, sequels are always inferior, so in that respect, we should all be grateful to the quality of ESB. Think about almost EVERY movie series, the movies usually get worse and worse, and I think in that context that is what seperates the OT from everything else. ROTJ is not great compared to SW & ESB, but compared to Superman III, Jurassic Park III, Matrix Revolutions, Back to the Future III, Terminator 3, Godfather III, Alien 3, it is a damn good movie.

Post: #284157
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284157/action/topic#284157
Time: 24-Apr-2007 11:23 PM

Originally posted by: JumpmanGuy,

Which is the truth. If Lucas did go back and remaster the theatrical version, I'd bet everything I owned that the complaining wouldn't stop...and you know I'm right....

Lets see the site is called, "Original Trilogy.com" its purpose is to get the OOT out in the best possible quality on DVD, and make sure that it does not get lost in the future of SW fandom. We've succeeded on point #2 that Lucas was forced to do an about face and release something he said was dead in the water, and now we just have to get them to DVD quality, or in the future HD-DVD quality.

So Jumpman, I don't understand why you would come to this site and not expect anything less? It would be like myself going to www.PrequelTrilogylovers.com and wondering why there was so much gushing going on about the PT?

Post: #284150
Topic: Revenge of the sith is the shite and the flies upon it
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284150/action/topic#284150
Time: 24-Apr-2007 10:59 PM

Guys, when I bury ROTJ, I am only saying that in the context of a 'great' movie, which it is isn't. I love ROTJ, and have seen it a thousand times, but if it were the first movie in the series, I would have seen it once and moved on, and that is the point of being a great movie.

Great movies inspire you to just watch it anytime, cause it is.......great! ROTJ completes the story, so in a sense you enjoy it cause it wraps up a great trilogy, so it is entertaining, enjoyable, but as a movie, it really isn't that great, when you define the term 'great' film. That is my point of the PT movies, they aren't great films either, but for many fans of the saga, they complete the story, so they are just as entertaining as ROTJ, but as pure movies, they are nowhere near the quality of SW & ESB.

Post: #284148
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284148/action/topic#284148
Time: 24-Apr-2007 10:50 PM

Originally posted by: JumpmanCO,

Of course his reputation as a filmmaker is in the toilet after the Prequels...even if I feel it's totally unwarranted...and if you look at the dregs that Hollywood puts out year in and year out compared to the Prequels.

And as for the credit for the Originals, it actually works in reverse now. It seems the on going thing now is to take credit away from the guy just because of what people think of the Prequels and that's totally unfair to do so.

Where's the balance with this guy? To me, he's never been infallible. But compared to a lot of people in the industry who think they know cinema, the guy's got them dead to rights....

I mean, criticize him for his writing and directing, which he's well aware of (even if everyone tends to go overboard in those two departments) but think about where cinema would've been had this guy not continued to push...

CGI is what he has pushed, and to me is the downfall of action/fantasy movies over the past 15 years. I will give Lucas/Spielberg all the credit in the world for the great movies they made in the 70's & 80's, but unfortunately their success spawned the advent of the CG generation of movies with zero story, zero substance, and all in the wow factor, and I don't mean Lucas & Spielberg movies per say.

Every filmaker who makes these summer blockbusters today forgets what made the Spielberg/Lucas era movies great: Characters. I talked about this in an earlier post, but the CG has ruined the summer blockbuster, because it is the #1 focus by every filmaker, and even Lucas fell into that trap with the PT.

I can't tell you how many times I have heard that Lucas couldn't do the PT without the advent of CGI, and I say Bullshit! Spielberg made a remote controlled shark work and that movie is a classic, Lucas was able to create Cloud City, without all the spiffed up SE 'outside' looking views, and nobody complained back in 1980 that Cloud City wasn't cool enough looking. NOBODY CARED about the outside of Bespin, it was the story and the characters that made the movie great, not the visuals, they were just gravy.

CG should be a tool, not a crutch, and unfortunately people took the wrong things from the Lucas/Spielberg successes of SW/Indiana Jones/Jaws, etc. those movies were sold on the story & characters, not on the special effects.

Post: #284134
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284134/action/topic#284134
Time: 24-Apr-2007 10:13 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
CO,

How is it his ultimate undoing....just because they say the Prequels are inferior to the Originals? That's not factually correct. That's subjective.

For the life of me, I don't understand how this guy, George Lucas, gets the hate that he does. All he basically did was say that these are the versions I prefer...this is what I want.... That's all he's basically done to receive the hatred he gets. And, that's pretty freakin' sad, if you ask me....

...and his legacy is tarnished in the eyes of SOME fans...not all.

Jumpman, putting aside what you and I think of the PT movies, can you honestly say to me that Lucas reputation as a filmaker is better or worse then it was before 1999? Please answer Yes or No.

I am not saying he is a hack, and if anyone does then I disagree, but I am just saying that you have to look at the PT movies objectively an notice what flaws Lucas has as a filmaker. The man has great ideas, and he tells great story, and has a vision that few possess in Hollywood, that is what makes SW great. He is not a great writer, he even said it at the AFI Tribute to himself, "I am the king of wooden dialogue!!!" He is not a great director for the type of movies he was making in the PT.

If you look at his successes in the 1970's, they were Star Wars & American Graffitti, two movies that don't require hugely dramatic scenes to carry the movie. The characters in both movies are very typical, and don't have too much depth to them, at that is both movies greatest strengths, they have just enough of all the little things to make the movie great.

In the PT, Lucas tried to have these hugely dramatic scenes that contrasted the OT movies of fun, wild ride, and they failed because the dialogue was terrible and the acting was just as bad. Lucas did not direct ESB & ROTJ, so his only claim to fame as a director in the OT as a director was SW, and that movie is the epitome of a serial-type movie, just like Indiana Jones, where you get to know the characters, but not too much, and that is where Lucas shines.

When i say his legacy is tarnished, there is no denying that George Lucas was looked upon as a god by many fans and colleagues before 1999, and that was the point of my original thread, there is NO WAY Darabount would have done this pre-1999, Lucas was untouchable then. Now maybe Lucas got TOO much credit for the OT from fans like me giving him God status, but perception is reality sometimes in life, and Lucas will always be regarded as the creator of SW, and that puts him on a pedestial for greatness, but he is also the creator of the PT, which knocks him down a peg.

Post: #284112
Topic: Revenge of the sith is the shite and the flies upon it
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284112/action/topic#284112
Time: 24-Apr-2007 8:09 PM

The bottom line is, with exception of kids, is that anyone who thinks that the PT & ROTJ are better then SW & ESB probably watch movies just for the action and special effects, and are wowed easily. Now there is a base of fans out there who just love a good 2 hour popcorn flick that just wows them in the visual department, and the PT does that.

But for anyone to consciously say that SW & ESB are not the two best SW movies, I almost laugh at them now. There is a debate as to which is better SW or ESB? And I seem them as 1 & 1a, but the rest of the movies from a pure movie perspective are utter shit that have moments that wow a SW fan, but not a movie going fan. Sure ROTJ has the great throne room scenes, but you have to love SW to enjoy it. Sure the duel in TPM is a high octane with the music blaring and the stunts ratchted up, but again, the average movie fan could care less. SW & ESB can appeal to a mainstream audience who is just looking for a great film to watch, the other 4 movies just please some of the SW fan who have kinda found their niche as to what they like. Do you notice the PT fans always rave about ROTJ the most out of the OT? Cause it focuses on Vader more then any other OT movie, and that is the story they like, and that is why they can't take a step back and realize the movie is average, just like the PT movies.

Post: #284110
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284110/action/topic#284110
Time: 24-Apr-2007 8:02 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
Mike O,

The problem is still Frank. Lucas hasn't said one thing about Darabont's script in public...not one. He's kept his mouth shut and decided to go into a different direction....with Spielberg's approval (no matter Spielberg's true feelings on the situation). Frank has been going on and on about his script for years now. It's time for him to get over it. What's the point of harping on it again, even if he was just asked a question....?

Frank just needs to let it ago. All he had to do when asked by Lucas if he wanted to write the script or not was to decline it. This is what happens when you're a writer for hire. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. End of story, really.

Lets give that writer for hire alittle more credit, since he did do that movie The Shawshank Redemption, and I think a very underrated The Green Mile. Sure Darabount is a writer for hire, but he is more then some slub on the street that Lucas/Spielberg was looking for, this guy has a reputation.

The bottom line is George does what he does, and he has the power to do that, and that sad irony is that it is his ultimate unduing because it is exposing his flaws that not many OT fans ever even thought from 77-83. I want to reiterate the man was God to me until after I saw AOTC, and I realized this is two turkeys he has wrote and directed, WTF? The PT is more George Lucas then the OT is now when it is all said and done, and that is the main reason why it is inferior. Lucas legacy to his fans is tarnished no matter what anyone says, because you ask 95% of SW fans before 1997, they would defend George to wits end, now I shake my head and say, "Here we go again."

Post: #284005
Topic: Possible original Star Wars screening?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/284005/action/topic#284005
Time: 24-Apr-2007 11:04 AM

This is so lame that they are showing the SE version, and it really is the only thing that pisses me off about what Lucas has done the SW movies. I can live with the PT the way it is, and I can even live with the SE as an alternate version for younger fans with ADD, but a screening to commerorate the 30th Anniversary of SW, should actually be the version that was shown in 1977!

The headline should read: Come watch the 10th Anniversary showing of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope.

Post: #283925
Topic: Anyone else nostalgic to the PT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283925/action/topic#283925
Time: 23-Apr-2007 9:06 PM

I can understand the nostalgia of anything growing up, cause it just holds a place in you that you dont' forget. I grew up watching Rocky III & IV, and never saw Rocky I & II in the theaters, so they were the sequels from the series that defined all of us who grew up in the 1980's. As years have gone on, I now see Rocky I as the classic it is, and Rocky II as a damn good sequel, and the rest of the series have their ups and downs, but are entertaining. I think that is the same way alot of the younger SW fans will look at the saga now.

Post: #283786
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283786/action/topic#283786
Time: 23-Apr-2007 10:36 AM

Cassidy, you may be 100% right that Darabounts script may be shit, and that he is being childish about the whole issue of Indy IV, but I still say there is a larger issue here that someone who is a colleague of George Lucas, came out AGAINST him, and nobody has ever done that. In fact it is rare in hollywood for anyone to criticize a fellow director, writer, producer, cause they are all one big club and when they do an interview, they are the ultimate politicians, and never say anything bad. As I said when I posted the topic, it wasn't what was said by Darabount that suprised, it was the fact that it was said in the first place, and in hollywood, someone being honest is very rare.

Post: #283714
Topic: Revenge of the sith is the shite and the flies upon it
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283714/action/topic#283714
Time: 22-Apr-2007 8:30 PM

There is a simple reason why a fan of the PT loves ROTS: It has everything that we all wanted in the PT. So if you accept the first two movies, you will love it, and if you don't accept the first two movies, you will hate it, or not think it is that great.

ROTS is a not a well made movie, it is just a series of cuts and edits that doesn't develop any scene in any fashion, but it is just a greatest hits checklist of all the stuff we wanted to see since 1983. Just think of all things we wanted to see before the PT came out in 1999:

-The duel
-The turn
-The building of Darth Vader
-The force ghost issue
-The extinction of the jedi
-The birth of the twins and where they end up at
-Yoda vs The Emperor
-The rise of the Empire

THIS IS ALL IN THE LAST HOUR OF THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So in a sense, it is pretty entertaining cause it is the pure redmeat of the PT, yet it is laughable, cause it is executed so poorly from a movie making point of view. I will stand by this statement that ROTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PT!! ROTS should have been all 3 movies, with certain plot points from TPM/AOTC, and the ROTS story should have been fleshed out to 6 hours instead of the last hour.

Trust me, the ROTS lovers love the plot points that are in the movie no matter how Lucas made, they don't love the movie. There was nothing ingenious about showing Leia flying to Alderran and being held by Mother & Father Organa, anyone of us could have filmed that scene, the movie is loved for its images, not the quality.

Post: #283609
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283609/action/topic#283609
Time: 21-Apr-2007 10:53 PM

Cassidy, my five favorite movies of alltime are:

1. Star Wars
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Back to the Future
4. Superman
5. Raiders of the Lost Ark

Those movies are all popcorn movies, yet they each have good acting, a good story, good drama, and REAL characters. Summer movies today lack any of that stuff. They are just pure CG fest made for teenagers who will go "WOWWWW!" and then 5 years later won't remember that movie. Remember Independence Day in 1996? That was a huge hit that blew everyone away that summer, I thought it was terrible, cause the characters were lame, and it was the effects that sold it to people. 11 years later, that movie is not even talked about anymore, and wont pass the test of time of any of the 5 movies I have listed, yet it was the hit of 1996, the same as SW in 1977.

I am just sick of sequels, and I think it is beneath Lucas & Spielberg, and even Ford to do another Indy flick. Those 3 guys made my youth with all their great films, and to see them go to the well one more time cause they can't think of anything original is very sad. That is what sequels are anymore, they are just people who are milking a franchise, cause they can't think of anything new, and besides ESB, I have yet to see any sequel match up to the original, cause it is so hard to duplicate the magic from the original movie.

Cassidy, if you guys want to see Indy IV, I have no beefs and I am not personally degrading anyone who want 2 more hours of fun entertainment, I do to. I just think that Hollywood has really lost the ability to make great original movies anymore, as the last good summer flick I saw was The Sixth Sense, original, scary, dramatic, and totally threw me for a loop, instead we get Superman Returns, Fantastic Four, Batman Begins, Spiderman 3, and next year: Indy IV.

What was the last good original movie to come out of the summer: The Matrix? Thats a great movie, yet that was 8 years ago.

Post: #283599
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283599/action/topic#283599
Time: 21-Apr-2007 9:50 PM

Cassidy, I am not saying that Lucas & Co. can't make this movie, and I think whatever script they use, via Darabount or whoever will just be another sequel.

I am making a larger statement about the state of summer movies that hit the theater: THEY SUCK!!!!! That isn't negative, it is the truth, most summer movies are overbloated special effects bonanzas that the story and characters take a backseat to.

I am not jazzed for Spiderman 3, or not one movie that I have seen a trailer for this summer, cause it is the same old crap just recycled in one form or another, and I think Ford, Lucas, and Spielberg shouldn't waste their talents on Indy IV.

The movies I have rented from 2006 are The Departed, The Prestige, The Good Sheppard, and The Illusionist, all movies that weren't 'summer' blockbusters, and were all entertaining films that had a story to follow for 2 hours, and thats what makes them entertaining. Indy IV will just be another 2 hours of non-stop action, cool stunts, and in the end Indy will survive........why not rent Raiders of the Lost Ark, cause I have been there done that in 1981, and thats a classic.

Indy IV will be the same old same old, and I want to ask you, what can they do in this movie to make it entertaining other then the 'action' and 'stunts' that were bigger and better in the other 2 sequels. Indy IV is a waste of time for me, and I have NO interest in seeing that, yet I am the biggest Raiders of the Lost Ark fan.

Post: #283587
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283587/action/topic#283587
Time: 21-Apr-2007 8:15 PM

Cassidy, Indiana Jones IV is going to be another retread sequel that doesnt need to be made, and my opinion on this has nothing to do with Spielberg, Darabount, or Lucas.

Raiders of the Lost Ark is a true classic, but Temple of Doom and Last Crusade are useless sequels that didn't need to be made, and 18 years later, Indy IV does not need to be made either. This is what is wrong with hollywood, there is nothing original anymore, it is sequel, sequel, sequel, with big budget effects to dazzle every teenage kid.

I rarely go to the movies anymore until November/December, cause that is the only time when the good movies are on the big screen, you know, the dramas, the ones with a good story, good directing, and good acting. Indy IV is just another summer movie that will have 2 hours of pointless action, no story, and the only reason people will see it is because we love the Harrison Ford character.

I won't eat crow, and again it has nothing to do with Lucas, I made this thread cause I am in shock that another director went against the golden rule in Hollywood, talk bad about your fellow colleagues, so there has to be something to this. Cassidy, you made a thread about not respecting SW fans opinions under 30, yet you say this movie will rock? There is no need for this movie, it is another pointless sequel of the other sequels that dominate the summer boxoffice, and you know who the target market is? Under 30 age group!

Post: #283557
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283557/action/topic#283557
Time: 21-Apr-2007 4:22 PM

Gaffer, I totally agree, these directors are like a fraternity, and there is an unwritten rule to never show them up in public. I remember Kasdan was asked about TPM and he replied in a SW Insider, "It was all George, he made the movie the way he wanted it to be and I respect him for that." Did you notice he never said if it was good or not? I guarantee Kasdan thought it sucked, but he is friends with Lucas and is not going to badmouth him.

I think Lucas needs to update ANH:

"Darabount Shoots first!"

Post: #283554
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283554/action/topic#283554
Time: 21-Apr-2007 3:33 PM

I was just suprised at this reaction, cause this is the first person of Lucas's colleagues that is really going at him in a negative way. Remember Darabount was supposed to pen the PT movies, and I have an article from Cinescape Magazine February 1996. Here is quote from Darabount about Lucas, "George Lucas has the soul and spirit of a great teacher. He is Yoda in sneakers and a flannel shirt."

Looks like Lucas has burned bridges with more then the fans since the SE/PT hit.

Post: #283539
Topic: Darabount rips Lucas over Indy IV script
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283539/action/topic#283539
Time: 21-Apr-2007 1:31 PM

From IMDB.com:

Darabont Angry at "Wasted Year" Over 'Indiana Jones 4' Script

The Shawshank Redemption filmmaker Frank Darabont has hit out at movie mogul George Lucas for preventing Steven Spielberg from shooting his script for the upcoming Indiana Jones sequel, claiming his efforts were "a waste of a year." Darabont wrote a screenplay for the highly-anticipated movie, which is still known by its working title of Indiana Jones 4, and insists director Spielberg was happy with it. However, producer Lucas didn't think it was good enough. Darabont tells MTV.com, "It showed me how badly things can go. I spent a year of very determined effort on something I was very excited about, working very closely with Steven Spielberg and coming up with a result that I and he felt was terrific. He wanted to direct it as his next movie, and then suddenly the whole thing goes down in flames because George Lucas doesn't like the script. I told him (Lucas) he was crazy. I said, 'You have a fantastic script. I think you're insane, George.' You can say things like that to George, and he doesn't even blink. He's one of the most stubborn men I know." He adds, "I have no idea if there's a shred of (my script) left. It was a tremendous disappointment and a waste of a year." And Darabont has no plans to reveal what his Indiana Jones script contains: "At this point, I don't give much of a damn what George thinks, but I wouldn't want to harm my friendship with Steven."

Post: #282764
Topic: Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282764/action/topic#282764
Time: 17-Apr-2007 12:20 AM

Pakka, you can still be a SW & OOT fan and not think twice. When I watch any SW movie, it is in all context of when it was made. When I watch SW/ANH, I don't think of the sibling relationship between Luke/Leia, and I don't think of the father/son relationship of Luke/Vader either, cause it isn't prevailent in the movie. When I watch ESB, I don't get icked out when Luke/Leia kiss, cause there isn't any context in the movie that says so. But when I watch ROTJ, I do see it all come full circle, and I accept the ending on Endor as Luke is burning his father by himself for closure, and Han/Leia are together, and Luke hugs his sister as he made it back from DSII.

Guys, don't let this plot hole stuff ruin the movies for you, they are too damn good to let some so-so ideas that Lucas went out on a limb hurt the reason for our enjoyment. This happened to me with the PT movies, I just can't get past all the bad shit that Lucas put in there to tie to the OT, whether it be Ani building C3PO, Padme losing the will to live, or Yoda/Chewy being boys. Part of me wishes that stuff wouldn't bother me, but the PT movies just aren't as good, and I feel that is the biggest reason why I adapted to the OT story, yet never took to the PT.

Post: #282726
Topic: Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282726/action/topic#282726
Time: 16-Apr-2007 9:47 PM

If the internet were big back in 1980 & 1983, this would be a typical argument between 'SW' fans, and this goes to the point that the debate has been lingering since 1980. All in all we all see the SW movies as we want to see them, as SW, as the OOT, or the saga, and I believe the only difference is that Anchorhead didn't have to suffer through drastic changes to SW back in the early 80's to compliment ESB & ROTJ, so until 1997, we could all watch SW the way we wanted too.

Post: #282664
Topic: Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282664/action/topic#282664
Time: 16-Apr-2007 5:51 PM

Zombie, I used to go on TFn and other SW boards and wonder what these people were smoking saying that TPM was better then ANH? But I have come to realize that the internet overall is such a minority of people, that I don't judge the overall opinion whether they agree with me or not. I am the only one of all my friends that are SW fans, who post on SW boards, so right there, it is already a minority just among my peers.

I think you can only start to judge quality as you hit highschool and in your 20's and that is when you will see many people change their views, cause trust me I did a 180 on ROTJ when I was in high school, and I did the same 180 on ESB in that same timespan, coincidence, or did I just grow up?

I grew up in the 80's, and just faintly remember seeing SW in 1977, but I never saw Rocky I in the theater, I never saw Jaws in the theater, and grew up seeing Jaws 2 & Rocky 3 on HBO 10,000 times, and LOVED those movies at the time. But years later when I bought the movies on VHS, and watched the originals, I realized how great the originals were, even though I saw them out of order!

Now of course there will always be PT fans, but there are also Fast & The Furious Fans, so what can you do? So the young fans growing up now will see the saga of 6 movies compared to how we see the OT/PT, but that doesn't mean they won't know what the great movies are. I see the Rocky Saga as 6 movies, cause I enjoy all of them to a certain degree, but in the same vein I realize the Original Rocky is one of the greatest movies of all-time.