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Post: #288762
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288762/action/topic#288762
Time: 1-Jun-2007 3:09 PM

Originally posted by: sunday256
I don't have that issue with my HDTV...but what I have is a rarity these days and that's because I have a 43" Toshiba 4:3 HDTV. I chose not to get a widecreen HDTV because I watch a lot of TV and I'd hate having to distort the screen. Until TV goes widescreen, it just makes sense to continue making 4:3 televisions. You can still watch widescreen movies, you'll just have the black bars.

I haven't seen the GOUT yet, so it's hard to say what it would look like on my tv, but I'm guessing it would be pretty good since it's smaller than what you have.

The issue with anamorphic is that the image gets 30% better resolution, so even an Anamorphic movie on 4x3 TV wont be affected, only on Widescreen TV's. And I think that is why on a TV that is made for Anamorphic Movies, seeing it in non-anamorphic makes it that much worse, it is almost like you rigging the TV to do something it isn't made to do, and that is why I have to zoom twice to get a true anamorphic image.

I think everyone has to ask this question to themselves for the time being: Do I enjoy the OOT and will I still enjoy it years from now in laserdisk quality if Lucas does not remaster it for DVD and eventually HD-DVD? Or do you give in and just enjoy the SE and put up with all the CG and Greedo shooting first, and Hayden in ROTJ for a great quality picture?

Post: #288750
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288750/action/topic#288750
Time: 1-Jun-2007 1:10 PM

I bought a HDTV in 2005 for about $1,200 dollars. It is an RCA 52" Widescreen. You can get a 50" HDTV at Bestbuy in the range of $1,000-$2,000 depending on if you want DLP & LCD or just a picture tube that I have which it much thicker in the back and takes up more room. Now if you want a Plasma, they are nice as hell, but very expensive, as you can hang them on your wall.

If I didn't have an HDTV I probably wouldn't have a problem with the GOUT, cause it is not that noticeble on a 4 x 3 TV, but on an HDTV you have to zoom the picture to get whats called a fake anamorphic picture so you don't have black bars on all 4 sides. But what happens is you are losing more resolution everytime you zoom so it makes any defects in the picture quality worse! By watching just 5 minutes of the GOUT you can see grain on almost every frame especially the Hoth & Tatooine parts, and the colors are very dull too compared to the SE cause the picture has been untouched for 13 years. The other problem is the movie has that blurry feel to it because you are zooming the picture so you don't get that crisp image.

Now don't get me wrong there are parts of the movies that are pretty good quality, but they are so inconsistent cause they just didn't go back and clean the film frame to frame like the SE. Are they are unbearable? Not at all, as I have watched them many times. Are they are inferior compared to the SE quality, YES!!!! And that is the problem for anyone who watches great quality movies on an HDTV, you pop in the GOUT and the quality sticks out, where as on a 27" 4 x 3 TV, it is harder to notice any quality issues so it is more of a level playing field.

I don't want to ruin anyones love for SW, but I honestly wish I never bought an HDTV and never saw the SE quality on them, cause if I still had my 36" 4 x 3 TV, I think I would be able to enjoy the GOUT more, and probably would resist even jumping in the HD-DVD market for many years in fear that the SE would only be released in BlueRay. But that gets to my whole point, I have to resist great technology to enjoy the inferior quality of the OOT. That makes me sad.

Post: #288715
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288715/action/topic#288715
Time: 31-May-2007 11:26 PM

Originally posted by: bigbaddaddyvader
If your dream is dead you are the one who let it die.Shit I grew up watching these movies on crackly betamax and VHS tapes recorded from the TV so any version of the OOT I watch now is still better than that.What the hell does it really matter as long as you can still watch the films the way they were and you can-be it on VHS or the GOUT or through the sterling work of the many very talented people found here.

Bigbadaddyvader, I do agree with ya that the OOT movies in any form is enjoyable, but the problem is that home video, or home DVD now is an envolving process and it is very tough to watch something on a dated format.

I have a HighDefinition Widescreen TV, and EVERY DVD I watch now is anamorphically enhanced, as I laugh at the quality of the early DVDs that were taken from a laserdisk master. Can I still enjoy the movies in non-anamorphic? Of course so cause the movie is still #1, but you can't turn your head to bad quality.

I mean why were DVD players invented? Why were Big Screen TV's invented? Why were HD-DVD Players invented? Heck, why were TV's colorized in the late 60's from black and white? Would you want to watch an episode of Seinfeld in Black and White? Sure it would be just as funny, but EVERY TV show these days is in color, why would someone want to go backwards?

If you are happy with VHS or Laserdisk quality, I will give you your props, but I bought a DVD player in 1998 for one huge reason: SW in DVD quality! When I buy an HD-DVD player in a couple of years, and let me tell you I have seen it over friends houses, the picture quality is incredible in 1080i, I will want it for one reason: SW in HD!

I think Lucas has won as I have pretty much conceded this OOT will never be remastered and I will be stuck with shitty laserdisk quality for years on end. I mean does anyone hear really want to watch some crappy laserdisk masters of our favorite movies in 2015 while HD-DVD is swallowing the market share, and now we are 2 home video generations off from what is current?

As I said, if the GOUT works for you, thats great, but I can't remember the last time I sat down and watched my old 13" TV I had in high school and popped in the VHS SW version when I have a 52" Widescreen TV sitting there in the other room that could put out great quality of the OOT if it were done right. A matter of fact, why don't I throw away my remote control to my TV tonight, and just get up and change every channel like I did in the early 80's.

Post: #288662
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288662/action/topic#288662
Time: 31-May-2007 3:38 PM

Originally posted by: sunday256
Exactly. TFN is on one extreme, and it would seem over here it's the other extreme. I'm sitting somewhere in between.

I hear where you are coming from and I honestly believe most fans sit in the middle when it comes to the PT, they kinda like them, but don't love them nearly as much as the OT movies. The difference between TFN and OT.com is our name plainly states the point of the site, we love the OOT, and most people who despise the SE, probably despised the PT too. TFN are a bunch of posers cause they say they include everyone, but have banned most of the bashers, and now it is a bunch of Lucas-lackeys who see all 6 movies as the greatest thing in the world. Atleast we here are honest about our bias!

I think you should try www.outerrimsieges.com. I post there frequently cause they have a good mixture of bashers/gushers, but the gushers are pretty honest about their views, as they will say they love the movies but will admit that Jar Jar and the AOTC romance pretty much suck. Most of the PT gushers there think ANH/ESB are the best of the 6, but they enjoy all 6 movies, and they are pretty cool compared to TFN where you have to see the saga equally or they get the pitbulls on you.

Post: #288645
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288645/action/topic#288645
Time: 31-May-2007 11:09 AM

The problem with a release now is that it is usually announced by Lucas at this time of the year or earlier. The 2004 OT was announced in Feb 04 for a Sept Release, and the 2006 GOUT was announced in May for a Sept. Release. I know they like to give the distributors atleast 3 months beforehand for any major release for advertising, inventory, etc. I think nothing will happen this year, and I believe www.thedigitalbits.com that Lucas fears the market got flooded and that is why they are stepping back for a year or so and not releasing anything, although the real reason it didn't sell well last year cause it was crap quality.

I will say that the masses, or the casual fan will probably not buy an boxset in the future, cause most people unless they are diehards just don't like to double dip. The only fans that will be buying the Saga boxset will be OOT fans like us if it is remastered, and Saga fans who just eat up anything Lucas puts out. Now those are two pretty big fanbases, but I think Lucas knows the best selling DVD was always going to be the first one released, and I think he knows he is catering to the diehards now, and there isn't as much money in it as when you are selling to the masses.

Post: #288614
Topic: I just can't watch Star Wars anymore....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288614/action/topic#288614
Time: 31-May-2007 12:18 AM

Originally posted by: sunday256
"Cry me a river"...

I'd love to see a 30th anniversary box set with the ANH deleted scenes as much as the next guy, but do you think Lucas honestly owes us something? Like Lucas is inclined to get off his ass just because you want him to? Get real and face reality. How old are you? I mean, how old r u? Think constructively. We've got a petition here, why not get out the word and let him know how badly we want this release, without taking the approach that he should just give it to us because he's a lazy ass, which he certainly isn't. You try producing 3 two+ hour movies and come back and tell me how just lounges around on your ass all day.

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Hey Sunday, have you seen the upcoming Bladerunner boxset due out in September. It is loaded with documentaries, deleted scenes, and has 5 versions of the film to chose from, cause Ridley Scott isn't afraid if someone doesn't like 'his' personal version.

Did you see the Superman Boxset that came out last November? 14 disks, all the movies remastered, the Donnor Cut, loads of Documentaries, the Original Superman:The Movie version also in the boxset. If you ANY type of Superman fan, there is something in there for you to love.

Have you checked Lord of the Rings Boxsets, Alien Quadrilogy Boxsets? All of these have BOTH versions, and are loaded with documentaries, deleted scenes, and I don't hear one fan of these movies complain cause it covers every demographic.

I don't know about Lucas getting off his ass comment, but for you to keep chiding people cause they're frustrated with the way SW has been released on DVD, I think you need to understand what is out there on the DVD market for movie series comparable to SW, and then look at what Lucasfilm has put out.

Post: #288612
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288612/action/topic#288612
Time: 31-May-2007 12:05 AM

Originally posted by: sunday256
Coming to these forums is like listening to a broken record over and over again. It's the same whining over and over about how Lucas won't give you this and Lucas won't give you that. I mean, doesn't there come a point where you just accept his decisions and live with what you have? Or will you respectfully continue the fight that was begun here so long ago? The key word is respect, which I believe some of you have lost sight of.

I believe in the intent of originaltrilogy.com and I enjoy the preservation that's going on here. I think it's great for the community. But your constant whinning is going to get you absolutely no where. It's not constructive, and certainly doesn't reflect well on the goals we've set to achieve.

With all due respect Sunday, I don't think you understand what the point of this website is. The point is to get the OOT on DVD in the quality that every DVD that is out on the market these days. DVD has been on the market for 10 years now, and we have laserdisk quality for the OOT versions of movies, how else should we feel? Thanks George for giving us Laserdisk quality DVD's that were great quality in 1993!!!!!!

As for respect, do you really think Lucas reads these forums? And if he does, then he has too much time on his hands. There is no respect by our side, cause there is no respect from Lucas towards these versions. Do you remember these quotes:

"I am sorry you fell in love with a half completed film."

"The Special Editions are the ones that exist now, and I don't recognize the originals anymore, and I am not going to take the time and money and remaster them, so if you want them, their on VHS."

"OK, we are putting out the unaltered DVD's in September, so we will see if this is what people want, it will all come out in the end."

Tell me one creator who talks like that to his fans? Name one please? Can you imagine Quentin Tarantino chastising his fanbase cause Jackie Brown tanked at the boxoffice, or Ron Howard pissing all over his fans cause Far and Away was utterly hated by the fans in 1992? No, both films have gotten great DVD treatment, and the directors don't thumb their nose at their fanbase cause the movies underperformed.

So by your rationale Sunday, we should keep waiting and waiting for the next great bootleg on the market, cause that is the reason I came to this site, buy the OOT illegally!!!!

Post: #288604
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288604/action/topic#288604
Time: 30-May-2007 9:53 PM

If anyone watched the History Channel Documentary on the SW saga Monday Night, (Which was sponsored by Lucasfilm), this was a clear attempt to get everyone in line to look at the movies 1-6, not OOT, not SW 77, the days of 2 trilogies are over, Lucas wants EVERY SW fan to see it his way, and I heavily doubt we will see the OOT ever again.

I was astonished after watching this documentary on how far Lucas will go to make the story he wants out there now. Every person who commented in special took the saga to mythological terms, and it was all about Anakins story and Lukes story which eventually leads to Anakins redemption. They even went as far to compare Jar Jar to mythological Greek figures who always played the 'fool.'

That night I realized that this is SW now, and we can either do 2 things, jump on the train, or walk away OOT fans, cause Lucas is not going to budge anymore to appease any older fans who like that Han shot first. Just think about this weekend, they had a 6 movie marathon to commerorate the 30th Anniversary of SW, and when they showed the Original SW, they didn't even show the 30 year old version!!!!!!

The OT never needed to be sold to the consumer AFTER the movies came out the way Lucas is doing now with the PT/Saga story. I was never bombarded with all these mythological tieins to make the movies more important then they really are. The OT had depth, probably more then most movies in its genre, but they were just damn fun movies to watch with a cool story, great characters, awesome special effects, and great drama to keep you interested. Lucas forgot that SW used to be fun, and now it is all serious in the way he wants the story to be seen, yet when you have characters like Jar Jar Binks, you wonder if Lucas regrets catering to kids and should have just have gone after an older demographic.

The Saga boxset will come out someday on DVD or BlueRay, but I have kinda given up on the whole 'will the OOT be remastered' fantasy, cause I think our dream died with the GOUT, and even that was the last way Lucas can stilll get our money and thumb his nose at us at the same time. As I have said in a couple of my other posts, I have put my hands up and accepted that this is SW for the future, and I have just walked away, and hopefully the XO project happens, and can satisfy enough fans that we can enjoy these damn movies once again.

Post: #288506
Topic: I just can't watch Star Wars anymore....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288506/action/topic#288506
Time: 30-May-2007 9:12 AM

I would give this example to anyone, why even care about Lucas anymore, or what he says? Why care what the new PT fans think of the movies anymore? I used to get mad at Lucas taking jabs at the OOT fans, or the way the 'saga' is portrayed now, but what can you do?

I look at it this way, I think Tom Cruise has turned into the biggest jerk in the past few years as he is jumping on couches and spreading his Scientology BS in everyone's face, but if the guy puts out a good movie, I will see it and not really care about my annoyance towards Cruises antics. This also goes for many rock singers too. I love Bruce Springsteen, but I could care less about his politics. It's not whether I agree or disagree with him on all the issues, I just don't really care what his opinions are cause it wont change mine. But that will not prevent me from enjoying all his music i have loved for 30 years.

Guys, forget Lucas, forget what has happened in the past 10 years. I am still mad about the GOUT and the treatment of the OOT, but after there wasn't an announcement this weekend about the OOT being remastered at C4 I kinda gave up and just try to enjoy the movies I have now, and if they ever get remastered, I will be there the first day. And as for future SW stuff, I will take a pass.

Post: #287928
Topic: Happy 30th Anniversary, Star Wars!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287928/action/topic#287928
Time: 25-May-2007 2:44 PM

Happy Birthday to my favorite movie of all-time, and I will commerorate it with a viewing in non-anamorphic this weekend!

Post: #287777
Topic: New Star Wars Movie...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287777/action/topic#287777
Time: 24-May-2007 2:34 PM

Originally posted by: Major fatal Moebius
Will George Lucas ever let Star Wars go? Jesus Christ, move on.

"I am done with Star Wars, I am going to make small, independent movies that really don't make any money."
-George Lucas, April 2005 - 60 Minutes Interview

Post: #287752
Topic: When it was just a movie....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287752/action/topic#287752
Time: 24-May-2007 10:27 AM

Originally posted by:sunday256
Well I understand what he's saying, but I still am glad we have all 6 movies. When it was just Star Wars, it was great...but it got better as the years went on.

We do have all 6 movies? The last time I checked the only good quality DVD's were the SE & PT, so I would disagree with ya there that we should all be glad for 6 movies. If the PT were never made, the OOT would be the dominant version whenever released on DVD or HD-DVD because Lucas would have no reason to worry about connecting the trilogies and make them come as seamless as he hopes now. Plus if he never did the PT, I wouldn't have to watch doucebag Hayden staring at Luke at the end of ROTJ!

Sorry Anchorhead if this got off topic, but I take issue with anyone who loves the OOT and is glad the PT was made, cause the PT is reason we are all stuck with shit Laserdisk DVD's now!

Post: #287565
Topic: Three questions for Geroge
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287565/action/topic#287565
Time: 22-May-2007 6:25 PM

Jar?

Jar?

Binks?

Post: #287418
Topic: Celebration IV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287418/action/topic#287418
Time: 21-May-2007 3:31 PM

I honestly don't get these SW celebrations, and if this were back in 1985 and it was just a bunch of OOT fans, I don't think I would be interested either.

Although, if any of you go you should bring a sign with black bars around all 4 sides with a blurry, grainy picture of Han shooting Greedo first which says, "I guess this is the only true way to celebrate the 30th Anniversary of The Original Star Wars!"

Post: #286910
Topic: Hello I'm new and have a question. (re StarWars.com and its message boards)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286910/action/topic#286910
Time: 16-May-2007 11:15 PM

I left TFN when the OOT was announced as being 'non anamorphic' and I tried to educate all of the fans who didn't understand it that it was going to be crappy quality, and it was an insult to anyone with a DVD player. I was astonished that a majority of people over told me, "Stop complaining cause you will never be happy with what Lucas puts out." and "You OOT fans are getting what you deserved!" That is when I realized that these were different SW fans then me, and I left the site for good.

Post: #286882
Topic: Hello I'm new and have a question. (re StarWars.com and its message boards)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286882/action/topic#286882
Time: 16-May-2007 9:50 PM

The biggest problem with SW sites now is that you have 2 distinct trilogies that can have a diehard fanbase, but the problem is they both have to post on SW sites now. The majority of SW fans now that populate SW sites are Saga fans and OT fans, and we are debating the same movies in different contexts. If you are talking saga 1-6, then Leia is talking about her mom dying at childbirth to Luke in ROTJ, yet if you are strictly talking OOT 4-6 talk, then you can rationalize that she took Leia in exile and died very young.

There lies the problem is that you a set of OT movies that can be interpreted in 2 different ways as to before the PT and after the PT, yet we all have to come to a Star Wars site to talk, so you essentially are debating issues in the movies that some deem exist and some say they didn't happen cause they don't recognize the PT.

That is why I like the individual sites now like OT.com where we are blantant about our views, we love the OOT, we talk in context of the OOT, we hate the SE, and we always talk about how the PT could have been better. The problem with SW.com and TFN is that they are blantant PT(saga) fans, and that is fine with me, but they say they want all views of the movies, including SW '77 fans, OOT fans, yet they are the ones who are censored or shouted down because they don't conform to the Saga now.

My point is that you can call us bias if you want, but just check out the name of the site when you log on here and it will give you an idea of what people think, SW.com and TFn are just propaganda for 'PT.com or Saga1-6.com.

Post: #286683
Topic: Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286683/action/topic#286683
Time: 15-May-2007 12:25 PM

Sue, it was George Lucas' birthday yesterday, we should all be dancing in the streets to celebrate and then go inside and watch some grainy, blurry movie version of Star Wars from 1977 on DVD that our beloved creator sold to us last year.

Post: #286333
Topic: George Lucas calls Spiderman 3 'silly'
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286333/action/topic#286333
Time: 12-May-2007 12:13 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
It's interesting that every critic's opinion of this films seems to count except for Lucas'...even though he's dead on about his assessment of the film. The film, to put it bluntly, is a complete mess at the script level. And it becomes unintentionally silly because of it.

Say what you want about the Prequels but they are no where near the mess that Spider-Man 3 is, at the script level. I mean, it's just plain bad on a lot of serious levels...things that should've been caught before this film even started shooting.

To get to your first point about the 'critics', Lucas is not a critic meaning part of the media, he is a fellow director, producer, etc, or part of that fraternity where none of these guys speak ill of other movies. I never see Spielberg going around saying, "The Mummy is just a total mess of a movie, and is a total remake of Indiana Jones." These guys always take the high road cause they don't want to put their fellow director down in case they do some crappy movie and the critics lambast that. So they are the last line of defense from the critics, and that is why none of them ever criticize other movies.

As for the scripts on the PT movies, sorry Jumpman but they are a mess too, and just the fact that Lucas was turning them in the DAY BEFORE PRINCIPLE PHOTOGRAPHY WAS SHOOTING on Episode III is ridiculous! Just watch the ROTS documentary Lucas shows up on the set on the first day with his final script! And then he totally changes the turn scene after he shoots it cause it comes off too quick!

The PT movies, though entertaining and fun to watch in a popcorn movie type of way are a total mess when it comes to the written story. You have Lucas have Padme losing the will to live yet her last words are, "Obiwan, there is still good in Anakin......" Is that the biggest contradiction, and it doesn't make any sense! If she thought there was still good in him, and she has 2 of her newborns sitting there right next to her, why would she lose the will to live? I mean that plot point may work for a 5 year old who loves lightsabers and space battles, but once a kid develops any rational sense of logic, that could go down as the stupidest plot point in the history of the saga.
I could go on and on about the scripts and how the PT was an utter mess, but it has been said before a million times.

The bottom line is I agree with Lucas that Spiderman is silly, and most summer blockbusters now compared to great ones when I grew up such as SW, Back to the Future, E.T., movies that actually had a story. But Lucas needs to look in the mirror cause the PT is part of that new vocabulary in Hollywood for fans who just get wowed by Special Effects, 'Silly.'

Post: #286216
Topic: What could have made the PT better?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286216/action/topic#286216
Time: 11-May-2007 1:50 PM

I will always keep saying the PT should have never been made, and it isn't hindsight now, it is because you cant make a trilogy spanning 7 years and 3 movies where there is NO drama and everyone knows what happens in the end!

Godfather II works cause it is sprinkled flashbacks throughout the movie that just tells the viewer how Vito Corleone came to power, but does not really tell a linear story where you are seeing the macro story tie into the story the preceding movie told. Godfather II has about 7-8 well done flashbacks done chronologically to give the viewer a backround of one character.

The PT is a series of movies that we know what happens, so how do you build drama with that? It is also made 16 years after the last movie and every director changes, good or worse, in that timespan, so you may get a different vision that what was suppose to be if the PT were filmed in 1985 or 1986.

I know the PT sounded cool on paper, Anakins turn, the duel, the rise of the Empire, the birth of the kids, but the problem is all of those plot points were answered in our head before we walked into the theater. Lucas should have done 7,8,9 if he was going to do anymore SW, simply cause he could have taken the story ANYWHERE, and there would be some drama in each movie cause you wouldn't know what to expect. Although if Lucas did one prequel as more as a prologue to the OT, that could have worked.

Post: #286004
Topic: George Lucas calls Spiderman 3 'silly'
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286004/action/topic#286004
Time: 10-May-2007 12:45 AM

Originally posted by: sunday256
You guys don't know WHAT Lucas said. That guy quoted him, but unless you hear it on a video or audio recording, I'd take it with a grain of salt. The guy could easily be interpreting whatever Lucas actually said.

I don't understand why he would be misquoted, when the reporters says in the previous paragraph that Lucas was one of his favorite people and he was a genius, what axe would he have to grind with Lucas?

Why can't people accept that he said it, and in some ways I agree with him, cause I think most Comic Book movies are silly, and there really isn't much story there, but in the same respect, Lucas did the same shit with the PT movies, and that is the whole irony of the quote! He is pretty much saying that the movie lacks any serious depth to it, and shouldn't be taken too seriously, and again I agree, but when we had a trilogy by Lucas that featured Jar Jar Binks, Jake Lloyd, Anakin/Padme AOTC romance, and Padme losing the will to live, I think Lucas should rename the backstory to the OT, "The Silly Trilogy."

Post: #285875
Topic: George Lucas calls Spiderman 3 'silly'
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285875/action/topic#285875
Time: 9-May-2007 12:07 PM

Thanks for attaching the link, I was going to post the Clone Wars part in another thread cause I was having problems for some reason attaching the link to this thread, so I thought I would just post Lucas' Spiderman comments.

Post: #285868
Topic: George Lucas calls Spiderman 3 'silly'
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285868/action/topic#285868
Time: 9-May-2007 11:33 AM

George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly;
Wednesday, May 09, 2007

By Roger Friedman

E-MAIL STORY RESPOND TO EDITOR PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
AP

George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly

But of course, we were most interested in talking with George Lucas, the affable genius film director who occasionally graces us in New York with an appearance. Lucas is absolutely one of my favorite people, a lovely guy who seems unaffected by his enormous success.

Lucas told me he has seen all the summer movies since his company, Industrial Light and Magic, does most of the special effects. The only one they didn't work on was "Spider-Man 3." What did he think of it?

"It's silly. It's a silly movie," he said. "There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?"

Well, it's not "Star Wars."

"People thought 'Star Wars' was silly, too," he added, with a wink. "But it wasn't."

Post: #285554
Topic: Anyone else nostalgic to the PT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285554/action/topic#285554
Time: 5-May-2007 4:09 PM

Originally posted by: zombie84

Well thats hardly an legitimate argument against it. By that logic, most of the OT should be discarded because Lucas completely took scenes and imagery from other films--in fact the shot of Luke viewing the burning homestead, is, as i mentioned, taken from John Ford's The Searchers. Personally i found the schmi death to be a typical moment of the PT--a highly charged emotional scene that had the power to be poignant and touching, but was madly mishandled and only achieves a fraction of its power. Pernilla August was dreadful, the editing was sloppy and there is that cheesy moment that just instantly pulls you out of the film--she is having a poetic death scene but then she slumps her back dead, instantly. Its like a high school play. It's moments like that that just make even the best of the PT have some kind of ackward mar on it that any other director would been aware enough to avoid.

I agree that Lucas took many things from his directors he loved as a kid, but the Anakin at Shmi thing is more of a plot point rather then a visual that was lifted from a previous movie.

This scene where Anakin talks to his mom at the grave is the key to the whole PT, this is the changing of Anakin, and eventually is the reason he turns to the darkside, and the exact scene and plot point is from Superman:The Movie, except Anakin couldn't turn back time by flying around the earth.

The key death scene in the OT is when Obiwan falls to Vader with Luke looking on, and Luke is never the same after that, and as far as I know that wasn't lifted from any movie, cause I can't remember any movie using the force ghost issue before SW.

Post: #285462
Topic: Anyone else nostalgic to the PT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285462/action/topic#285462
Time: 4-May-2007 8:18 PM

Originally posted by: sunday256
And the death of Shmi in AOTC. Some of you may think otherwise about the latter, but I was severely touched and shocked at that moment in the theater. It was handled very well I thought. So no, I don't believe they're necessarily watered down.
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I am never one to argue with a persons taste, but that scene is stolen from Superman:The Movie. Remember when the Smallville Part of the movie where Clark Kent is in high school and his father dies in front of him of a heart attack, and then he is with his mother in front of his grave and says, "With all these great powers, I still couldn't save you." Watch that part again from the 1978 movie, it is almost exactly alike.

Post: #285412
Topic: Anyone else nostalgic to the PT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285412/action/topic#285412
Time: 4-May-2007 12:54 PM

Originally posted by: sunday256
At 37 years old, I can still look back at the stop motion animation of the taun-tauns and cringe, or get entirely dragged down by the pace of ANH, or wishing those ewoks were wookies. And don't think for a moment I don't have qualms about the prequels because I do, but I don't let my qualms get in the way of enjoying all 6 movies like many here do. And I think that's a shame that some people will never just relax enjoy the prequels. They've got to constantly complain about how bad they are and try and convince others that they are crap.

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Sunday, with all due respect, it is the story that sells a SW movie, not the effects, and that is what makes me laugh about the SE & the PT, the effects and the visuals seem to be what Lucas focused on.

I love SW(ANH) & ESB dearly, not because they were part of my childhood, but cause they are damn good SciFI movies, the same way Indiana Jones, BTTF, and Superman:The Movie were too. Sure I grew up with those movies, but there is a reason they still are great 30 years later, they didn't cater to kids like me even though I fell in love with them as a kid! Do you see the irony? None of those movies put any kiddy humor in there just so a 6 year old would laugh, they were all made for a teenager that adults and kids could enjoy none the less.

Starting with ROTJ and continuing with the PT, the movies are executed to a kiddy audience, or dare I say 'dumbed' down. I think the story overall is still written the same as the OT, as I find each PT movie very interesting especially how Palpatine rises to power mirroring the way Hitler did. (Lucas is a big WWII fan as he has said in the past.) The problem is the PT movies and in many way ROTJ are executed for a 5 year old kid in many ways and that is why you have Jar Jar & The Ewoks, things that any teenagers knows aren't very cool.

Just watch all those movies like Star Trek II: Wraith of Khan, BTTF, Alien, Superman, SW, ESB, Indiana Jones, and even Jaws in some respects, those movies have stood the test of time solely because they did not try to cater to the kiddies, and kids like me in the late 70's early 80's just latched on and fell in love with them. The problem with catering to the kiddies is that when they grow up they notice that kiddy crap and makes the movie very cheesy, like Jar Jar & The Ewoks. So yes, little kids do like the PT, but get back to me in 10 years when they are in high school and let me know what they think of the AOTC romance, and I know cause I was one of those kiddies who loved ROTJ back in 1983.