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Post: #294369
Topic: I say forget the OOT on DVD, lets target HD-DVD/Blue Ray Now
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294369/action/topic#294369
Time: 2-Aug-2007 5:52 PM

I have read many editorials on the format war, and some believe both will be there years from now, just as X-Box battles against PS3 and Nintendo. The difference between the DVD vs Divx battle in 1998-99, was that Warner Brothers would not release ANY of their movies in the Divx format, and as they were the leader in starting DVD, they eventually crushed any chances of Divx even taking off.

But now, Warner Brothers and several other studios are releasing their movies in both formats, which tells me this could go on for a long time. Look at the Matrix Trilogy, it was released on HD-DVD a couple of months ago, and will hit Blue-Ray later this year, or vice versa I think?

I honestly don't see either side giving up as this could go on for years, and the only thing it does is keep people like me from upgrading into the format as I would love to buy a BlueRay or HD-DVD Player if there were only one format that existed. But I am staying out until the war is over.

Post: #294184
Topic: I say forget the OOT on DVD, lets target HD-DVD/Blue Ray Now
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294184/action/topic#294184
Time: 31-Jul-2007 11:04 PM

2008: The Year of Indiana Jones and HDDVD Boxsets to advertise for Indy IV
2009: The Year of SW and HDDVD boxsets to advertise for the TV show

That's just my guess, as Lucas is always 'tying' something in with something new coming out.

Post: #294070
Topic: 2007 Star Wars DVD Collection Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294070/action/topic#294070
Time: 30-Jul-2007 8:58 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

now go zoom in on your non anamorphic OOT discs.

Guys, he is a troll with a statement like that, please don't respond, and he will eventually go away......

Post: #294048
Topic: 2007 Star Wars DVD Collection Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294048/action/topic#294048
Time: 30-Jul-2007 3:31 PM

Originally posted by: KurtFF8

Boba Fett was digitally inserted into that scene as he was not part of the original shoot, having been developed by Joe Johnston in 1978; he was filmed in 1996 and played by an ILM employee IIRC. And yes, he was put there for fan-related reasons.

Well I didn't know that he was only inserted in the 90s, I was under the impression that he was already in the shot. That still doesn't mean that he changed the films "just for the fans" as he had always planed to return to them and modify them, and a piece of evidence for that is t he fact that he shot the Jabba scene with the intention of returning to it much later to complete it.

I'm not trying to say that you should like the SEs of course, and I agree that there should be good quality versions of the OOT that are digitally remastered. I'm just saying that I don't see why people complain about most of the changes in the SEs so much and attack GL for it. You can like the SEs and still want the OOT digitally remastered.

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Lucas says specifically in the ROTJ Commentary on the 2004 DVD, "If I knew that Boba Fett was going to be so popular, I would have given him a cooler death scene." Lucas ADMITS that if he knew the fans love of Boba Fett after all these years, he would have done things differently, hence why he appears, or Jango Fett too appears in AOTC......for the fans, just like Chewbacca in ROTS.

As for complaining about the SE changes, if Lucas would have just made cosmetic changes like the new Jawa Sandcrawler, ObiWans Hutt, The X-Wing Fighters leaving Yavin, etc, I think you would have a small minority that HATE the SE. It is the Greedo shooting first, the exclusion of "Bring my shuttle", Jedi Rocks new song in ROTJ, and of course taking out Sebastian Shaw in the ghost scene in ROTJ, That's the stuff that pisses me off, and led me to hate EVERYTHING about the SE. So in a sense, the more Lucas tried to tie the Saga's together visually in the SE, the more he turned me off as a saga fan. That is pure irony.

Post: #293730
Topic: I say forget the OOT on DVD, lets target HD-DVD/Blue Ray Now
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293730/action/topic#293730
Time: 29-Jul-2007 9:06 AM

With several announcements last week of Close Encounters of the Third Kind (3 versions of the film), BladeRunner (5 versions of the film) on HD-DVD and BlueRay, I say we forget the release of the OOT on DVD, and target HD on DVD because the trend of multiple versions I believe will be the huge selling point to this product.

DVD really took off cause of superior quality to VHS/Laserdisk, plus many friends of mine loved all the bonus material that each disk could hold (Documentaries, Trailers, Deleted Scenes, etc.), so I think the main selling point of HD-DVD/Blue Ray will be of course the superior quality to DVD plus the amount of space each release can contain without the company putting out 4-5 disks, instead of holding all information on 1-2 disks, which is more economical for them too.

I was always hestitant about HD cause they haven't settled the format war yet, but I think if we focus on the release of the OOT on THAT format, and kinda wave the white flag for DVD, it will be benefit us greatly in the future. I know this requires more patience from us fans, which I am not too happy about, and a greater fear that we will be let down by Lucas again, but this a perfect format for the release of multiple versions of a film, and to be able to watch the OOT on High Definition will mean these versions will live on for future generations.

Post: #293664
Topic: 2007 Star Wars DVD Collection Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293664/action/topic#293664
Time: 28-Jul-2007 9:45 AM

Originally posted by: KurtFF8

How does that make him removed from reality? He clearly wanted Greedo to shoot first in the SEs, they are his films and he knows what he wants from them. He doesn't simply change his films to meet the fans desires, but as he has stated, they are his films and his vision to make how he wants.
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Whenever I hear fans who defend Lucas on the changes because it is something he couldn't do when making the OT, and this is the way he wants them now, I give one example:

1980 ESB/OOT: Luke DOES NOT scream after jumping from Cloud City after the Vader revelation

1997 ESB/SE: Luke DOES scream after jumping from Cloud City after the Vader revelation.

2004 ESB/DVD: Luke DOES NOT scream after jumping from Cloud City after the Vader revelation.

It is not called getting his vision across that he couldn't from 77-83, it is called tampering at this point, cause he seems to be going back and forth on this one!

Post: #293463
Topic: 2007 Star Wars DVD Collection Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293463/action/topic#293463
Time: 26-Jul-2007 10:29 AM

I do remember always hearing that any DVD set, has to be announced roughly 3 months before the release date, to give stores time to promote, advertise, and make space on their shelves. If you said it was a November release, then it could still happen, but it is almost August, and still nothing about any DVD set. I remember the '04 boxset was announced in February, and the '06 boxset was announced in May.

Anyway, I hope you are right, cause if this rumor is true, I think we can finally enjoy the movies again.

Post: #293143
Topic: A New Direction For The Petition
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293143/action/topic#293143
Time: 22-Jul-2007 12:22 PM

Guys, I still think we have done our job, and that is pretty much all we can do. In the end, it is up to Ol Georgie to give that final OK on releasing the OOT the right way, he knows it, LFL knows it, Saga fans know, so we have accomplished as much as we could possibly do, and now we have to wait.

Just look at Superman II: The Donnor Cut, it took years and years for it finally to made, or re-edited by Richard Donnor, after Warner Bros gave the final OK to release it. Donnor even says it in the Commentary that it was the fans who pushed this thing through and that was because of the constant letters, emails, and internet petitions.

I still believe if this website did not exist, the 2006 OOT would have never been released, and sure I think it is a shitty release, and I am not happy at all with it, the bottom line is if Lucas didn't know there was a market for this product out there, he sure as hell wouldn't have released it again, and go back on his word that they don't exist. I mean why didn't he release the 1997 SE versions on DVD, cause nobody is bitchin about them!

So I would say keep the petition going, and all we can do is wait, and eventually hope that Lucas will come around, the same way Superman II: The Donnor Cut hit the stores, and The Bladerunner Boxset is coming out this year. It sucks to wait, and I don't like it anymore then any of you guys, but I think that is all we can do. Just remember, Lucas knows there is a fanbase thats wants these versions.

Post: #292875
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292875/action/topic#292875
Time: 18-Jul-2007 9:55 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

so he had nothing to do with it at all... all right, sure thing, boss.

JR, you are twisting my words around, I am not saying Lucas had zero to do on these movies, but I get tired of you guys saying because he owns the rights to them, that he can do what he pleases with these movies when someone else directed them!

ANH, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS are all Lucas's babies, and he can do what he wants to those movies, cause he wrote and directed them so those 4 movies are his 100% vision on the screen. ESB & ROTJ are not his 100% vision, cause a director can interpret someone elses writing a different way.

If you look at a movie like Jaws, it was taken from the novel by Peter Benchley and also adapted by Peter Benchley, all's Spielberg did was direct his vision the screen. But who gets credit for the bulk of the movies success: STEVEN SPIELBERG! Even though it was created by Benchley, and it was put to paper by Benchley, Spielberg is the one who's vision is what everyone sees. And that is my point about Kersh and Marquand, you can't say that Lucas can just do what he wants cause he owns the rights to these movies, the same way Benchley would be out of line going back and changing scenes in the original Jaws movie.

Post: #292841
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292841/action/topic#292841
Time: 18-Jul-2007 4:39 PM

"So when the premiere came up in for ESB in 1980, George called me and said he wasn't going to it, I was to go all by myself. I asked George why he was bowing out and he said that this was my movie, and he would just overshadow me on my achievement." -Irvin Kershner on ESB Commentary
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Hey JediRandy, I guess George can do whatever he wants to his movies, oh excuse me, Kershner(ESB) and Marquands(ROTJ) movies.

I think sometimes the Lucas-stepfords lose sight that George didn't DIRECT those movies!

Post: #292777
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292777/action/topic#292777
Time: 17-Jul-2007 5:17 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandyIs there a remote possibility he wore that shirt cuz it's funny or was it really a slap in the OT fans face?p

Or maybe that will be the latest change in the next boxset, Han shoots first again! I mean in the 1980 ESB version, Luke doesn't scream when he jumps in Cloud City, then in the '97 version he screams, and then in the '04 version, he doesn't scream again! That sounds like a creator who couldn't get his vision on the screen cause of limited technology in 1980....... no wait......1997.......no wait.......2004!

Post: #292703
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292703/action/topic#292703
Time: 16-Jul-2007 9:36 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandyBottom line is, wearing that shirt got the fanboy panties in a major twist... hell, they're so twisted they're in a knot! Maybe ol' Evil George is able to have a laugh and fanboys are still treating this stuff like it's a life or death situation.

JR, you make me laugh sometimes! Who is the one who said a couple of years ago, "The Original Versions don't exist anymore, if you want them, you can buy them VHS, I am not going to waste money remastering them." Who was that?

It is Ol' Evil George who has started this whole issue by not respecting the works of art that made him the zillionaire he is today, and again you guys, The Lucas Stepfords as I refer to anyone who constantly defends Lucas on ANYTHING. It is you guys who want it both ways. First we take the movies too seriously, and they are just a bunch of movies made for kids, yet that last one in 2005 seemed to be PG-13, with some guy was burning up? Is that appropriate for 5-6 year old kids? Then we all take things too seriously about the OOT, yet the man who created and built his empire from those 3 versions from 77-83 is the one who will do ANYTHING to suppress them so nobody can enjoy them anymore.

Thanks for laugh JR, keep it coming!

Post: #292610
Topic: A New Direction For The Petition
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292610/action/topic#292610
Time: 15-Jul-2007 4:50 PM

Originally posted by: vbangle

What world do you live on? I live in Southern California and with just a few, and I mean a few, exceptions widescreen tvs are the only thing available in the stores right now.....4:3 is DEAD. Even my techno scared "older than dirt" parents have a widescreen plasma they watch the evening news on.

I live in an affluent suburb in the Northeast, and most people I know DONT have a HDTV, and many of them who do have a 4:3 HDTV, probably around 32" or so. Now I am not saying people aren't going to buy these sets in the next 10 years, cause I agree that HD populates all of the Best Buy space, but that doesn't mean these people are going to go out buy an HD Player and rebuy all their movies on HD too.

You have to understand that the majority don't care, or dont' take time to care about the best quality picture they can have. DVD was such a leap from VHS for so many reasons that didn't have to do with quality: No rewinding when you are done a movie, count me in! The movie won't break if you play it too many times, count me in! Oh, and it looks great, that's even better! Wait, what are these damn black bars! How many movies are still put out in fullscreen for the average consumer? All of them!

You will always have the diehards like us who want a great quality picture, but then you have the majority that don't buy stuff until the price comes down to normal levels, and so on. And just look at how slow HD Channels are catching on, as I remember reading back in 2003 that ALL channels would be up to speed by 2007, and the last time I checked on my HD Channels here was the list:

ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS, A&E, HBO, CINEMAX, SHOWTIME, STARZ, ESPN, ESPN2, TNT, DISC, UNIVERSAL, HYWW. Now of course every Cable System is different, but the bottom line is if HD was so huge, the majority of channels would be HD, instead of the minority of them.

Post: #292597
Topic: A New Direction For The Petition
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292597/action/topic#292597
Time: 15-Jul-2007 9:36 AM

Originally posted by: Mike O

Unless HD wins the format war. And then there will be whatever comes after HD and BR. The OOT needs respect always, regardless of the format.

HD I still believe will be a niche market, sorta like laserdisk, cause the % of people who own HDTV's right now is very small. I just don't see the average consumer 5-10 years from now buying these huge 55" HD Widescreen TV's. I think there is always the Home Theater Fans like many of us who were delve into HD-DVD once the format war is settled, but I believe the majority of consumers will be happy with their Standard DVD's for many years out, and won't be re-buying all of them in HD when available.

In saying that, I still believe if we could get a proper release of the OOT on Standard DVD, I would be happy forever. Zombie and I have talked about this before, and I do agree that HD is better then Standard DVD, but it is not the same leap from VHS to DVD, it is more the leap from 5.1 Dolby Digital to DTS, better, but not earth shattering. I love buying movies on DVD, and hope HDDVD format war is settled someday, but I know I will be picky in which movies I buy that I wasn't when I first got a DVD player back in 1998.

Going by Lucas's track record, even if HD-DVD or BlueRay take off and win the format war in the next year, he and Spielberg won't put out their movies til the format becomes more mainstream so they can sell to a bigger market share, so SW movies probably won't see the light of day til 2011-2012? So that still gives another 5 years of Standard DVD for Lucas to milk, and I believe there is one more release left for an Ultimate Boxset of all 6 movies including the OOT remastered, and then I can honestly say I would be contempt.

Post: #292519
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292519/action/topic#292519
Time: 14-Jul-2007 1:10 AM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

It would be like George W. Bush wearing an Anti-War shirt outside the White House one day.

Except that one results in 3000 troops dying plus countless others and the other is a make-pretend kids movie.

I've been saying for years some fans need to get a grip on reality and quotes like that one put a big giant bow on it.

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JR, I hope you don't think I am putting the OOT '06 release in the same pedestal as a the War in Iraq? If you took that analogy that seriously, then I think you need to get a grip on reality. I was just saying that these are two examples of men who live by their 'vision' and feel it is the right thing they are doing, not that a bunch of poor souls on OT.com have a harder life then someone in Iraq!

As for your 'make-pretend kids movie' comment, I think this is where I laugh at these statements, and ask you if you saw the History Channel Documentary last month about the SW Saga, which was produced by Lucasfilm. The whole 2 hour special talked about the saga in terms of mythology like Joseph Campbell, Romeo & Juliet, Othello, and many more Shakespearan tieins. That was produced by GEORGE LUCAS, and it was an attempt to put the SW Saga on a pedestal as the greatest myth to hit the movies EVER, not some kiddy movie like Shrek or Monsters Inc.

As for a new analogy so you don't think we take this stuff too seriously, it would be like Steven Spielberg wearing a shirt with the cops holding guns instead of walkie talkies for the change he made in the SE of 2002. Is that better now JR?

Post: #292477
Topic: A New Direction For The Petition
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292477/action/topic#292477
Time: 13-Jul-2007 1:56 PM

I think the mission statement of this website is to continue getting exposure about the difference between the OOT & SE, almost an advertising blitz that says, "There are 2 versions of the The Original SW Trilogy, and the versions that everyone saw from 1977-83, are not the ones that are recognized."

Now I know this sounds redundant, but trust me, only the diehards like us know the difference between the OOT & SE, and there are a hell of alot of casual fans who love the movies, but haven't seen them 1,000 times like us, who have been duped by Lucas and the revisionism of the last 10 years. I can't tell you how many older fans of SW that I tell that Jabba was not in the first SW movie, and they have to actually think about it. What happened is they have seen the SE on Cable or HBO in the past 10 years, and just haven't realized that stuff has been changed.

We should be trying to get entertainment magazines, internet sites, etc. to spread the word that the OOT, or the Original Versions of SW still need to get a great release on DVD or HD-DVD, it sounds very minor, but you guys would be suprised at how much the casual SW fan really doesn't know about the SE vs OOT movies.

Post: #292450
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292450/action/topic#292450
Time: 13-Jul-2007 8:20 AM

Originally posted by: JediRandy
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

I know you love things like this, cause it gets all the OOT fans in an uproar, but Lucas loses all credibility when he does stuff like this. For years and years of saying, "Those versions don't exist and I have changed the movies the way I want to cause I couldn't do this and that in 1977..." Then to wear a shirt that actually contradicts his changes in '97 & '04? Doesn't this go right to the point that it is all about money with Lucas, and not his vision, since they are selling these shirts!

It would be like George W. Bush wearing an Anti-War shirt outside the White House one day.

Post: #292396
Topic: Lucas wearing "Han shot first" shirt during Indy IV production
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292396/action/topic#292396
Time: 12-Jul-2007 11:39 AM

This proves what I have always suspected, that Lucas knows EXACTLY what is going on in the fanbase, and to me further proves he wanted to put out the hackjob non-anamorphic '06 DVD release. Someone that controlling is like that for one reason, they are all about their ego, and Lucas knows that a part of the SW fanbase, OOT fans, don't like the SE, don't like the PT movies, so this is his way of giving the middle finger to everyone of us while laughing all the way to the bank.

Post: #289755
Topic: What is the most distressing aspect of the PT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289755/action/topic#289755
Time: 9-Jun-2007 12:08 AM

I 100% agree about the overuse of CG, and not using real landscapes. I defy anyone to watch the saga, even the OT/SE 1-6 and not see a jarring effect from PT to OT. The bottom line is one looks computer generated and one looks real!

I often think what would the PT have looked in 1986 had Lucas continued on before the advent of CGI once Jurassic Park broke the mold. I think the saga would flow visually and I still contend there are great, real environments out there in Europe, Australia and Asia that could have been shown for planets on the PT. But Lucas is paying for these film and I believe it is cheaper to film in bluescreen, then pay money to shoot on location.

Post: #289754
Topic: Your first words of reaction after watching one of the PT movies for the first time.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289754/action/topic#289754
Time: 9-Jun-2007 12:04 AM

I actually enjoyed all 3 PT movies upon my initial viewings, as I wasn't EVER expecting them to be to the OT standards, so it was more like, "That was cool to see more SW movies." I think the replay value of the movies is where they don't hold up, as they just arent' as entertaining, and I don't think TPM & AOTC aren't really designed to be watched 8,000 times like many of us do with the OT movies. My disdain over the years towards the PT has been solely cause the OOT has been thrown to the wolves, and I believe the release of the OOT in great quality, would make me take the PT for whats its worth, "Part of the SW-lore now, but really not interested in watching the movies anymore."

Post: #289479
Topic: Time to get assertive
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289479/action/topic#289479
Time: 7-Jun-2007 11:41 AM

Originally posted by:generalfreviousI'm taking the GOUT as soon as I can find it and live with it, it's the only thing that will keep me stable during the long winter....

Here is the key, DO NOT watch the SE discs. Not because of the SE crap Lucas put in, but because once you see the quality of the SE transfers, you will be pissed at how great the OOT could look fully remastered. Just watch the OOT, and that way you only have one frame of reference of watching a SW movie, the GOUT. I always say that a person is always satisfied until they see something better, so if you just see the GOUT, that will be the best quality you see at this point.

Post: #289406
Topic: Time to get assertive
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289406/action/topic#289406
Time: 6-Jun-2007 10:18 PM

Guys, Lucas owns the movies outright, and there is nothing we can do. Lucas purposely did this so no one can film more movies, or taint the movies from what he wants them to be, and if you think about it, you gotta respect him for that. He essentially saying now here is the saga as I see it, and if anyone is going to get the glory or the crap from the fanbase it stops with me.

I still think somewhere down the road, via DVD or HDDVD, we will see the OOT fully remastered, as I am just going by my gut. But I am done waiting....hoping.....wanting that announcement to come. We tried with emails last year to voice our displeasure, the DVD's didn't sell as well, and there is no change, so Lucas is going to do what he wants, and sadly all we can do is wait. I say, find a way to enjoy the movies, whether it be SE or OOT, you will go crazy waiting for something that may not happen for awhile or ever.

Post: #289219
Topic: What about the slaves?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289219/action/topic#289219
Time: 5-Jun-2007 3:24 PM

Anakin was a slave in TPM? It didn't seem like that bad of a life, considering he had his own house, lived with his mother, had time to build a podracer and C3PO, and even got to sit down to a nice home cook meal with the family & friends. And he even yelled, 'Yipee' twice. Doesn't sound like a slave to me, sounds a normal middle class kid! Maybe I have to watch Roots again to understand the plight of slaves.

Post: #288900
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288900/action/topic#288900
Time: 3-Jun-2007 9:00 AM

Zombie, I do agree with ya that HD-DVD technology will get better through the years, but you have to admit the OT SE movies are probably one of the greatest transfers on the market for Standards DVD's. I know the lightsabers are f'd up, and the ANH score is backwards in some places, but overall the movies look really awesome on a widescreen HDTV, and if Lucas were able to duplicate this with the OOT movies, I would be very content with these, and sure I would buy them when a SW HD-DVD hit the market, but I wouldn't be as impatient as I am now cause all we really have is laserdisk transfers.

Post: #288879
Topic: So, um... no new DVD's announced this year?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288879/action/topic#288879
Time: 2-Jun-2007 11:34 PM

Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
I have a question. If the current versions of the movies WERE released on BluRay or HDDVD, how much better would they look than the current hidef showings on HBO? Like on a scale from 1 to 10?

I think the BlueRay/HDDVD would be slightly better just because I know that HBO compresses their signals sometimes, so you don't get the maximum resolution as watching it on a disk where the movie is the only thing.

As for HD-DVD/BlueRay compared to DVD, it is better, but it not a huge jump like DVD was to VCR & Laserdisk where it was so obvious about the quality. I for one can wait til the HDDVD/BlueRay fight it out for one format, cause I am very happy with my Anamorphic DVD's now.

I think HD-DVD/BlueRay will be a niche format in the coming years, sort of like Laserdisk was, for mostly movie-buffs with the epuipment that can produce great quality. I just don't see the average consumer who has a DVD player now rush out and buy an HD-DVD Player and then re-buy all their movies. When DVD came out, most people didn't mind replacing all their VHS tapes cause DVD's are much better quality, you don't have to Rewind them when your done, and they will last longer.

I think this is why I get so frustrated that Lucas didn't remaster the OOT, I would be content with an anamorphic DVD set forever, cause as I said, HD is better, but not so much better where it is like night and day.