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#299861
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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Originally posted by: JediRandy


So ESB is "good"? Not great, not the best SW film... just "good". Anyway isn't ESB the one with the least GL interference? At least that's what is always thrown around SW message boards.



JR, let me try to shed some light on the ESB/ROTJ story change issue. I love the OT, but SW'77 is my favorite of the 6 movies let alone of all-time for me, not ESB, so I am going to give you a view from someone who saw SW in 1977, and is able to see the story evolve on the bigscreen, not just by heresay or message boards.

SW & ESB/ROTJ are totally different animals, as they can work as a trilogy, but if you really dissect the story in ESB/ROTJ is TOTALLY different then the story that was put on screen in 1977. I love ESB, I think it is a great movie, but I am not the biggest fan of 'I am your father!' Now you are probably saying to yourself, "How can you not love that, it is the greatest twist in the history of movies?" Because it contradicts the original movie, plain & simple, and what happened is it changed SW from a macro story about Luke & the Rebels fighting the Empire in the struggle for the galaxy to a micro story of Luke/Vader which is so prevailent in ROTJ, and even more about Anakin in the PT.

What we are all trying to say is that "I am your father" is a killer plot twist, and I was as stunned as everyone sitting there as an 8 year old in 1980, but if you look at how Lucas took the OT, via ROTJ storyline, and even futher the PT, he got away with the original storyline that made SW'77 so great.

The reason I love SW'77 is because there isn't any grey areas to it, it is such a simple story of good vs evil, in the end that what makes it great. When you get to ROTJ, all of the sudden you have this moral tale of redemption, and redemption means something different to each person. But with ROTJ, Vader was still a minor character to Lukes story, so you really didn't have to examine his sins to enjoy the movie, it was Luke who threw down his saber, so you could gravitate to that act as the moral of the story.

With the PT, the story is clearly about Vader, and it is a grey one at that. Many people have a problem with him killing children, choking his wife, and then smiling as a force ghost at the end. Many Christians will side with Lucas and say EVERY sin is forgivable, so he has every right to sit next to Yoda/Kenobi in ROTJ. My whole point is that SW was not a grey area story back in 1977, and once Vader uttered those words to Luke on Bespin, the whole story & moral of the OT/Saga/ or whatever you want to call it changed, and that is why you have so many people like myself who questioned if ESB went the way of Vader, being the one killed Vader, and Luke taking a revenge angle, ala Conan the Barbarian/Braveheart storyline.


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#299792
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299792/action/topic#299792
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I am with ya guys on the greatness of ESB, but as I said, ESB & ROTJ are essentially one movie to me, and SW'77 can viewed as its on entity that has zero to do with anything after 1977.

I have never been one to complain about the updated effects of the OT, that stuff I can live with, but I just can't take the scene changes, as they are much too jarring. After the OOT DVD debacle last September, it has become real hard for me to enjoy the OT even by itself anymore. You can watch grainy, crappy OOT DVD's without all the changes, or pristine SE DVD's with all the changes, including that creepy Hayden lurking in ROTJ that ruins the whole movie.

I am just saying I really can't enjoy ROTJ SE at all, and the way I have always watched the OT movies, is that it is the final chapter of a great trilogy, and even though ROTJ is far inferior then the previous installments, ESB can't standalone like SW'77, or even just be a 1-2 punch that a Terminator 1 & 2 can do while forgetting the horrendous Part 3.

Until or if Lucas ever remasters the OOT so I can enjoy the movies again, the OT will never be the same for me, and I am being 100% honest, as I will still pop ESB, and ROTJ every once in a while, but they are tainted, and the moment Jedi Rocks comes on the screen, or that ridiculous ending in ROTJ with Jar Jar Binks in it, I won't be able to sit back and enjoy the movies the way I did for 20 years. Sorry to be a downer here, but just given you my opinion.
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#299774
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299774/action/topic#299774
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Originally posted by: JediRandy


Really? You'd give up ESB to make the PT go away? That's insane... don't watch the PT and presto! It goes away...

I'm blown away by that comment.


JR, I can't make the PT go away, cause it pervades the OT movies now. I can't watch that crap OOT DVD Lucas put out last year on my HDTV, it is 2 hours of a grainy, blurry, dull transfer that is one big middle finger to fans like me. The 2004 SE are great quality, but you have to put up with the new scenes including Hayden lurking there at the end of ROTJ, which I totally despise. I am one of those fans who can live with Greedo shooting first, yet I can't take Hayden sitting there next to Alec Guiness.

I still love ESB, cause that really isn't effected that much by the SE, so don't get me wrong, the movie is still my #2 favorite movie of all-time, but ROTJ always completed it cause in a sense ESB is part 1 and ROTJ is part 2, and I just can't watch the ROTJ SE with JediRocks and that whole ending. So my point was, sadly I am so pissed off with the way Lucas has presented the movies on DVD to his older fanbase, I'd be willing to give up ALL sequels/prequels for the Original SW, the 1977 version, remastered, anamorphic, 5.1 DD, cause that is still my favorite movie of all-time.

I know it sounds F'd up JR, but that is what Lucas has done to these movies in the past 10 years, and if he just would have put out the OOT in the proper DVD quality it deserved, I would be able to watch them without ANY PT actors being in the OT movies!

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#299734
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299734/action/topic#299734
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Originally posted by: C3PX



Too true and it wasn't worth it. As much as I love Empire Strikes Back, I could have lived without it. It would have been nice to be able to say "Star Wars is a great movie" and have (a.) not every one know what movie you are talking about and (b.) not have to worry about those who do know what you are talking about think of SW as a disjoined series of six films of inconsistent qualities and styles, but rather a single cult sci-fi film from the late seventies.

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As much as an OOT fan I am, this statement is dead on because of the way Lucas has taken the SW movies in the past 10 years. Would I sacrific ESB for not having to deal with the PT movies invading the OOT? I think I would now, as I am becoming more and more a SW'77 fan in alot of ways cause that is the only movie I can watch and not think about the Saga and all the other BS that has pervaded a GFFA. I haven't watched ROTJ in years cause the OOT DVD is so crappy, and the SE has Hayden at the end of the movie, and everytime I see him next to Alec Guiness I want to throw my remote control through the TV!

No, ESB = no OT, no PT, no SE, no EU, no TV series, instead a high quality transfer of the 1977 Version of SW without the Episode IV in the main crawl and no silly updates? I am starting to lean that way.

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#299702
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299702/action/topic#299702
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005


seriously had he not made american graffiti, star wars and raiders he would be a broke nobody who could not get a job in hollywood and if not for francis ford coppola would have been editing documentaries or be a grease monkey in an automobile garage.
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In fairness to Lucas, that is a pretty good resume, so you can call him out on his flops, but you have to give him his due for those movies.

I honestly think if Lucas only made SW in 1977 and moved on he would be a totally different director, and I believe he would have a stronger resume. I don't think he is the greatest director in the world, but Graffiti and Star Wars are both true classics of the 70's, and creating Indiana Jones too shows Lucas as a great storytelling.

Do you notice his great career stops after Raiders in 1981? That is when he started Skywalker Ranch, and became a businessman, and the great storyteller known as George cease to exist to a man who wanted to make $$$$$. Francis Ford Coppola even said, "Star Wars robbed us of one of the greatest directors of this generation."

I think too many fans just think of Lucas as Darth Lucas post-1983, of a guy who made movies for kids and got obsessed with special effects, instead of the George Lucas pre-1983, who made movies for adults that kids could enjoy too.
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#299602
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When did the Jedi become monks?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299602/action/topic#299602
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
I agree that the Jedi should have had faults in the PT. The OT made Yoda and Obi-wan look like real dipsticks, and that should have been reflected in the PT. But that could've been done without retconning the Jedi into an insular cult. It would have been enough to say that the Jedi are so busy fighting the Clone Wars that they don't notice this guy is starting to crack under pressure, adopting unorthodox methods, reading forbidden scrolls, and all that.

In a way, it's too bad that Lucas had so little to do with Star Wars from 1983 until 1997. The story of an strictly monastic Jedi cult that drives one of their members to the Sith is a pretty good one, and he could've given the story germ to an EU writer to flesh out. It could have been one of the Tales of the Jedi stories, thousands of years before ANH. It's a good story, it just doesn't work as Anakin's story.


See I like the Jedi being a bunch of out of touch monks, cause it makes Lukes character that much better. I never understood why fans thought the Jedi should be this glamor bunch, cause if you watch just 4-6 again, Kenobi & Yoda were wrong the whole trilogy! They are lying to Luke, and everything they tried to steer him to in the end didn't work, cause it is eventually Luke who makes a new option NOT to fight and throw down his lightsaber, and that option was never presented once by Kenobi & Yoda.

The Monk aspect gives a good message to the viewer that in the end, all these PT characters grew up around Jedi, Politicians, War, etc, and none of them really grew up in a normal family. Padme was a queen at 14, is that normal? The Jedi are taken from their families, and become soldiers to the republic, and forsake a normal life, is that normal? Luke & Leia grew up as normal people who got involved with politicians and jedi AFTER they became adults, and it show how normal they are, and how they think alot more rationale then the PT characters did.

This is the one thing Lucas actually did right, was make the PT characters a bunch of screwups in that sense, so the OT characters can pick up the pieces and fix this mess. I still won't forgive Lucas for the turn scene, I have to look away whenever I watch it, it is truly awful.

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#299596
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When did the Jedi become monks?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299596/action/topic#299596
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I think the reason Lucas put in the 'monks' aspect of the Jedi was one simple reason: Anakin and his attachments. As much as I bash the PT, I actually don't mind this plot point about the Jedi, and I think it did setup a good reason why Anakin could turn in Episode III. Unfortunately Lucas dropped the ball in ROTS with that awful turn scene and why Anakin did because of a dream.

Jedi being monks and taking them as children so they don't have attachments isn't really that bad, because it is suppose to show that they are out of touch in the PT, and by Luke/Leia growing up in normal families and having the ability to fall in love and have children, it contrasts well as to why they turned out normal and saved the galaxy.

You guys have to remember that the PT in some ways has to contrast the OT, and the OT has to look better in that sense. The Jedi Order are suppose to be alittle out of sync with the republic during the PT, thats is their flaw, they never changed, and all of their jedi just became robots, and their star jedi who wasn't trained as a kid ran amuck after he realized he was that talented. If you watch the Saga 1-6, Luke/Leia/Han should come out as the good guys who save the galaxy, and if the Jedi were portrayed as just as good as Luke/Leia/Han, then there would be no arc in the story.

My real beef with Lucas is that whole setup in ROTS and the final turn scene on how eventually Anakin turns, making it because of silly dream and having him not even question Palpatines' motives, and then finally turning within 5 seconds and then go killing kids in the next scene was utterly ridicuolus and undid everything Lucas set up in TPM/AOTC. Damn Shame.
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#299414
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Humourous Rant about Lucas on MSNBC
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299414/action/topic#299414
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Originally posted by: GoodMusician
I still maintain that the PT lost a lot in the editing room. Far too much to editing. all so the movies could be shorter. I'd pay to see the movies (especially AOTC) 30 minutes longer with the material that should be in there, back in, and maybe some of the unnecessary material cut out... like a bit of the fighting on Geonosis.

The difference between Lucas 70's and Lucas 00's is two big people who crowded his vision: Ben Burtt (a SOUND designer) and Rick McCallum.


I don't think the big problem with the PT is editing, it is the lack of heart and characters moviegoers don't care about is the biggest problem, let alone which demographic Lucas was going after: The Jar Jar Audience, or the Anakin burning up audience?

Personally, I don't really care about the PT characters, except maybe Kenobi, as Lucas was able to give him a good storyline in AOTC, but utterly was wasted in TPM and ROTS was overshadowed by Anakin. Anakin & Padme are the key to the whole PT, and most people I know don't give a rats ass about either character, Anakin is a whiny, creepy, a-hole the minute he sets foot on screen in AOTC. Padme is a boring, monotone one dimensional character who loses the will to live as her character arc?

The thing OT fans take for granted is that the characters in 4,5,6 are probably some of the most relatable, realistic characters ever put on screen in this genre. They each have a personality that one of us can relate to. Leia is spunky, edgy and alot of girls look up to her, and Carrie Fisher played her to perfection. Hammil is the golden boy that every little kid wanted to be as he is the ultimate good guy. Ford is the coolest guy in a GFFA, and he is also the funniest too as he mocks C3PO for 3 movies and does what he does. Those are real characters, and that makes the movies so much more believable in that sense. Padme & Anakin are just a bunch of bores that have zero chemistry, and it just takes you right out of the movies, just think if Ford & Fisher had zero chemistry, would ESB work?

There are many problems with the PT that have been listed for years, but I still maintain that Lucas got caught up in dazzlying the audience with SPX instead of just concentrating on the characters and their relationships, cause that is what makes me revisit the OT 30 years later: The story & characters. Just remember what Lucas said in TPM documentary the first day on set, "Jar Jar is the key!" That means if we can wow the world with an all-CG character, it will be revolutionary. Well.....you guys know what happened.

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#299363
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How did you envision the prequels?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299363/action/topic#299363
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I honestly envisioned the PT to be the story of Episode III spread out over 3 movies, instead of just one. I have my faults with alot of stuff in ROTS, but the movie is entertaining mainly cause it is the PT story, the real red meat of the trilogy.

I wanted to see Anakin/The Emperor relationship develop over 3 movies ON screen, and I wanted to see more scenes of The Emperor pushing Anakin towards the darkside, so eventually when it turns it is believable because you can see the influence The Emperor has on Anakin.

I wanted to see the Birth of the Rebellion, and how it started and how they realized what the Empire was doing to the republic, so you can watch Episode IV and realize who fought hard to give Luke/Leia a chance to win in the OT movies.

I wanted to see ObiWan/Anakin on a mission together as good friends for the whole Episode I movie, and just have that cracks jokes and be friends, to show how much they cared for each other, so when they fight in Episode III, you would feel awful it has come to this. Just think of Luke & Han fighting in ROTJ and how you would feel, that is what Anakin/Obiwan fight should have been like.

I finally wanted to see Anakin as cool superstar jedi, and not in the Han Solo cool, but the 'golden boy' cool that many athletes are like. I wanted him to be a premadonna, as he would be someone who you would want to be cause he was sauve and confident, and his arrogance would eventually be his undoing, not his stupidity as portrayed in Episode III.

Lucas wasted too much time in Episode I & II, as they just seem like exposition to the real story in Episode III, and I honestly think if he really started the PT movies with Anakin & ObiWan flying in this huge space battle in Episode I the same way he started with Episode III, and eliminated the crap like Jar Jar Binks, many fans would have really enjoyed the PT, and would probably say the OT is still better, but the PT is still good.
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#299317
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299317/action/topic#299317
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Originally posted by: see you auntie
I'd like to re-read his quotes from like a year ago when he was talking up his intent for both series saying that television was the medium at the moment best for putting your vision out there because it afforded you blah blah etc.

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The ironic thing was that he said that big budget/sequel movies were yesterday's news, and they weren't profitbable anymore, so what is the latest movie Lucas is producing: Indiana Jones IV!



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#299311
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299311/action/topic#299311
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead


From the article:

"They are having a hard time," Lucas said. "They're saying, 'This doesn't fit into our little square boxes..."

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Lucas was able to make statements like that when it came to the movies, cause the name SW was a sure thing. WHen TPM came out, he threatened to pull his movies from theaters if they didn't respond to certain guidelines, and he had the power to do that. He then started making those demands with digital video with AOTC/ROTS, but nobody was listening by then.

TV is a different entity, as most TV shows fail, and there is no guarantee that this will be a success, and Lucas thinks he can bully the TV industry around the same way he does the movie industry.

Lucas has failed to realize the SW series is living off of the success of SW & ESB, and as much as I love ROTJ, it is average, and most people know it is nowhere as great as the previous installments. In all honesty, Lucas has done anything earth shattering since 1981 with Raiders, and I think people are finally catching onto him.

Now of course Lucas is a salesman, so he is going to ratchet up the quotes for these TV series saying they will be 'groundbreaking' and 'something that has never been seen on TV before' but I won't fall for it again, and I don't think the TV execs will either.

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#299260
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299260/action/topic#299260
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Originally posted by: JediRandy


Or you could just not watch the TV show.... there are 100's a day I don't watch.


JR, you are right, we don't have to watch the TV show, just like not reading the EU novels, or even watching the PT movies, and just watch the OOT.......oh wait I can't do that unless I hit zoom twice on my remote control so the image gets more grainy

In all seriousness, I think SW has lost its mystique, and if you want to call me out on that, and tell me to get over, you have every right to do it, but it is a shame Lucas didn't stop at ROTJ in 1983, and I think the SW & George Lucas would have been perceived a bit different.

In many ways the OOT will always be groundbreaking, and to many it is the gold standard when it comes to this genre of movies, as LOTR seems to be the only trilogy that I hear from people that is possibly better, but that is a different argument.

But just think of how Lucas was perceived back in 1983? He was a god to all the SW fans, he was a wiz of Special Effects to the critics, and he was a financial genius for being the only director to ever finance his own movies and end up being a billonaire! I never heard in 1983 that Lucas can't write dialog, he can't direct actors, or that a SW movie was actually laughable.

What I am trying to say is that Lucas was getting TOO much credit, including from fans myself, who did think he was god. Hell, for alot of years I thought he directed all the OOT movies, even though I saw them on VHS 8 zillion times, not to check the end credits once, I just assumed he did everything.

Lucas had a mystique in 1983 the same way President Kennedy has one now, as he is considered a great US President by many yet he was only President for 2 1/2 years and never completed his term. He had a mystique the same James Dean and Marilyn Monroe had before they died prematurely, as fans just remember them in the prime, and never got to see them later in life if they were 60 or 70 years old, they will be remembered for their youth.

SW now to me is just another series, and I don't blame Lucas anymore in some respects, you can't just keep making magic with one subject, just look at any movie series, eventually it gets stale. Peter Jackson has a chance to make the Hobbit, and I say to him, "Don't do it!!!" Leave LOTR trilogy as is, its a classic, it sits up there with the OOT as a great set of movies, sometimes more is less.
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#299068
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/299068/action/topic#299068
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
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I dunno if the ratings will be that bad, man. I think a lot of haters kinda live in a bubble where SW it now a despised piece of crap that is laughed at... Networks try out these Sci-Fi type shows just hoping it catches a Buffy-like cult following. SW has a built in cult following no matter how much fanboy bitching takes place online.

The Clone Wars cartoon was a blast... even the most pissy fanboy should be able to enjoy a half hour of that stuff once a week. But who knows.


I really think that the SW TV show will be a purely niche audience, and how much of that I don't even know. I think we all forget that the PT had a built in audience of OT fans who were pretty much going to see all 3 of them in the theaters no matter how bad they were. Just think of many trilogies that faded away because of average sequels: BTTF3, Terminator3, SupermanIII, and Matrix Revolutions. All of those movies did significantly less business then its predecessors, and pretty much put a nail in any sequels, although Superman IV got green lit, but that sucked even more then III!

Everyone has to remember, which was the highest grossing PT movie? TPM, yet which is considered the best by the majority of SW fans? ROTS. The bottom line is that TPM had the widest audience of any SW, old, new, casual, etc. After that, many people, and a couple of them I knew, went once to see TPM caused they liked the OT growing up, didn't like it and moved on. Those people don't hate Lucas, they don't really care about the SE/OOT battle, they don't think Lucas raped their childhood, they just enjoyd the OT movies, didn't like TPM, and could care less about Episode II or III.

The SW movies draw a huge audience for several reasons: They are an event, they harken many people back to their younger days of seeing the OT as kids, and a SW movie has become a phenomenon where you have to be there opening weekend just to talk about it with everybody else.

The TV show has zero of that going for it, so right there you lose the casual fan who just liked the movies. Then you have diehard OT fans who didn't like the PT, and are disgruntled and kinda fed up with SW, so they probably aren't interested in it. Whats left? EU fans, people who just love anything SW, EU, PT, Movies, Clone Wars, more SW the better. There is a market of those fans out there, but I don't think Lucas realizes it isn't nearly as big as the movie crowd.

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#298852
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Anything? Anything At All? (that is remotely positive or good about the SE and PT?)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298852/action/topic#298852
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Originally posted by: Puggo - Jar Jar's "Yoda"

Brrrr... nooo!!! Mos Eisley was a dingy, dusty, and above all realistic hell hole of a dead desert truck stop with musty corridors and danger, and the SE turned it into Disneyland.



I totally agree, the OOT version of SW'77 was not suppose to be lavish or cheesy it was suppose to be gritty, and the SE takes you right out of the movie. All of the additions to the SE give the movie that PT feel, meaning there always has to be something going on in every part of the screen.

Most gritty films really stand the test of time, as they hold true to the story they are telling and there is no wink-wink jokes in them either. Lucas came from an era of gritty films in the 1970's of Scorcese, DePalma, Coppola, Kubrick, and I really don't know where he lost that edge.
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#298713
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What If The SE Were Only...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298713/action/topic#298713
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Originally posted by: zombie84
With regards to Faces and the OOT, I have to side with LFL in the best-intentions motive, in that I truely believe that Lucas intended that they never be sold again, simply because that is what he wanted, and what he tried to do.


See, I think the SE was a trial balloon, and I think Lucas was amazed that the movies did great business in 1997, and that is when he figured that EVERYONE loved them. In some respects I can't blame him for thinking that way, cause look at these grosses domestically:

ANH - 136 million
ESB - 67 million
ROTJ- 45 million

Alot of movies being released for the first time would kill for numbers like that! But what Lucas missed was that most OT fans who grew up with the movies were happy to just see SW again in the theaters, and the SE was cool and something new, but most would take Han Shooting first anyday of the week.

The same goes for the PT movies:

TPM - 431 million
AOTC - 310 million
ROTS - 380 million

Whatever we think of the PT movies, they did great business, so again, Lucas thinks that most SW fans loved the movies, cause if they sucked, the grosses would be significantly lower, just check out how Matrix Revolutions did as that literally bombed in November 2003.

What Lucas missed all the time is that we fans love our SW, good or bad, and are willing to show up to something new and always give it a chance, and that is the power of a GFFA, we can't get enough. But just because it does great numbers, doesn't necessarily mean we will love it, as ESB is the lowest grossing movie of the 6.

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#298708
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What If The SE Were Only...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298708/action/topic#298708
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Just because the DVD haven't all been sold doesn't mean LFL is being dishonest--"limited time" mean they are produced until a certain time, in this case the end of 2006, and then production ceases. The copies you see lying around are excess stock that was manufactured before 2007 but remain unsold on store shelves. In the same manner that the Faces sets were limited to 1995, but i remember as late as 1997 seeing them in bargain bins at Blockbuster. The remaining copies of the 2006 OOT will probably be bought up this holiday season but if you really looked I'm sure it will be not too difficult to find them into 2009.


Lucas knows that and that is where they are being dishonest to the public. But Joe Average who doesn't buy hundreds of DVD's a year doesn't know they will be there after Dec 31st, he just sees that ad on TV or in the newspaper, and scrambles in his mind that he has to buy them sometime or he will never have the chance again. It is a simple marketing ploy to drum up demand and scare the public that they must get this product in the next three months or else.

It is just like the 'Faces Set' and 'one last time.' Was it one last time? No, in 2006 was the supposed last time, and once BluRay or HD-DVD settle their war, there will be 'one last time' for 'one last time' so the public can buy it again one last time for the third time! As C3PO said, "I'm so confused!"

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#298702
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What If The SE Were Only...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298702/action/topic#298702
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
The Faces tapes and discs were marketed under the "One Last Time" campaign.


That was all marketing to drive up demand as people would think, "Oh no, it is never going to be released on VHS again, I have to buy it now!" Lucasfilm pulled that same crap with the OOT DVD last year, saying it would only be sold for a limited time until December 31, 2006, and just yesterday I was at Best Buy and I see all 3 OOT DVD's sitting on the shelf.

We can all say Lucas is jerk, but the man is the ultimate businessman.

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#298669
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Mr. McGregor hated SW?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298669/action/topic#298669
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I don't think McGregor will ever be typecast by the PT mainly cause they never appealed to the masses. A character like Archie Bunker, Tony Soprano in TV and Luke Skywalker and Dorothy from Wizard of Oz will be known by the masses cause the movies are popular. The PT are a niche fanbase of people who love them so they are the only ones who are going to think of ObiWan Kenobi when they see Ewan in some other movie.
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#298579
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What If The SE Were Only...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298579/action/topic#298579
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I actually wouldn't have cared if Lucas just made special effects changes back in 1997. Of course I will always prefer the OOT, but because Lucas started changing scenes, (Greedo shooting first, Jabba in ANH, Han walking into a hundred Stormtroopers instead of 6 in the deathstar, Vader's pointless arrival on the star destroyer in ESB, and taking out, "Bring my shuttle line," JediRocks, and the awful new ending to ROTJ that adds Hayden in it, and has JarJar and the whole galaxy cheering, etc.

By Lucas changing scenes he actually made a fan of the movies pick sides: Do you like the new Hayden or the old Sebastian Shaw in ROTJ? Do you like Greedo shooting first or Han shooting first? By doing that, he created two fanbases cause it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to like both! If Lucas redid some of the battle on Deathstar like the X-Wings leaving Yavin, or ObiWans new Hutt, or even the new Jawa Sandcrawler, that stuff is not jarring, and really doesn't change the movies one bit, a NEW ACTOR in the force ghost scene does!

The bottom line for me is Lucas went too far in changes, and actually turned a fan like myself, who grew up with the OOT, a person that could have liked the SE if were just subtle changes, to a hardcore OOT fan now because I just put my hands up. Lucas like the Emperor got greedy with the OT movies.
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#298274
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Bionic Woman 2007
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
That's right. It's another pointless "re-envisioning" because there are too many channels and not enough creative ideas.

Can you imagine if there were still only four networks including PBS and all the good shows were on with all the crap relegated to the dustbin of history? We'd never have a reason to get off the couch and take a walk.


I agree with you there, as the quality of TV just isn't what it was 10,20, even 30 years ago. I mean what the hell happened to the Sitcom? Are there any good sitcoms anymore? I can remember the days when there would be a whole block of shows: Thursday in the late 80's on NBC: Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, Night Court, or Tuesday in the early 80's on ABC: Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley, Three's Company, Two Close For Comfort, or even the 90's on NBC: Friends, Frasier, Seinfeld on Thursday Nights.

All you have today is Law & Order this, Law & Order that, CSI, CSI:Miami, Cold Case, booooooorrrrring! HBO has the only great shows of the past few years with The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, SixFeet Under, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Entourage.

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#298194
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Bionic Woman 2007
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Originally posted by: boba feta
Like the PT?


I dont' think that is a fair analogy, the PT was being compared to the OT, and had to sit next to the OT when watched in a certain order (1-6 or 4-6,1-3), so it had to stand up to the classics before it.

The Bionic Women, though taken from the 1970's show, does not have to sit next to it as part of the continuing story, so in that respect, you can enjoy or hate it if you want on its own terms. I don't expect this to be the greatest show ever, I just think the pilot was entertaining and seems like it could be pretty good.

If Lucas would have made 3 new SW movies that had zero to do with the OT, had zero characters or plot points that related to the OT, I think many fans would take them for what they are, either you like it or you don't and wouldn't have to compare them to SW, ESB, and ROTJ.

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#298102
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Bionic Woman 2007
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I think the name Jaime Sommers is just an omage to the original show, but they also want to have their storyline to make it still original. I didn't think it was that bad, I read some reviews on the internet, and was expecting worse, but it was actually pretty good. This is the kinda show you take with a grain of salt, and don't expect too much, and you'll be pleasantly suprised.