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#298052
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Prequelize the OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/298052/action/topic#298052
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(Luke burns Darth Vader in a bonfire at the end of ROTJ, and then fireworks go off)

(Weird symphonic music starts playing and we go to Naboo where Jar Jar Binks says, "Weesa free!), then they go to Bespin, Coruscant, and Tattooine where the crowds are cheering!)

(Then Luke meets up with Leia and Han and all the rebels with the Ewoks, and looks out at 3 force ghosts: ObiWan Kenobi played by Alec Guiness, Yoda, and.........Hayden Christenson? That's right a 20 year old Anakin! stares at Luke like he wants to murder him!)

Oh wait..... Lucas already Prequelized the ending of ROTJ! Sorry, I thought I was being original, trying to be so over the top with a PT actor actually replacing an OT actor and Jar Jar Binks in ROTJ too!
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#297980
Topic
Prequelize the OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297980/action/topic#297980
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Han is about to go into Carbonite:

Leia: Han...............

Vader (steps in): Wait, is that C3PO on Chewbacca? Hey everyone, I built that guy, what did you guys do to him?

C3PO: It's the maker! How are you doing Ani?

Vader: Could be better, I am alittle burnt, and I am about to freeze my future son-in-law

Leia: Your freezing my boyfriend, you are about to fight my brother, and you choked my mom, you bastard!

Chewy: (Growls) I'll bring Yoda here, we have good relations!

Boba: (Jumps in the mix) These stormtroopers do not sound like me?

Han: Cause it is the OOT version, you weren't the clone template yet!

Vader: Put him in carbon freeze, and Boba, no one is interested about you pre-ESB!

Leia: Han......I love you!

Han: (He is about to say I know) when he has a change of heart, "You are in my very soul Leia, tormenting me, I can't breathe....."

C3PO: That is cause it is so damn cold in here, give me back to my rightful owner.
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#297831
Topic
"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297831/action/topic#297831
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Originally posted by: andy_k_250


Also - isn't it pretty ballsy to make 40 episodes of a 100-episode series before you even have a distributor?



Kinda like The Emperor sitting at his throne in ROTJ thinking everything is going as planned. I am just waiting for Lucas's face to start to become deformed and then we can call him George Palpatine.
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#297828
Topic
"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297828/action/topic#297828
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Lucas can't control TV stations the way he controlled movie theaters. He had the ultimate power with the PT movies in distribution and choice of which theaters he wanted cause a SW movie is a no brainer. The TV show has to have an audience for advertising (commercials), and if part of the cartoons are kiddy, and the parts are made for adults, which target audience do you go after? Most TV shows now go after 18-34 market cause that is the key audience that will spend the dollars, and I think Lucas will have to decide does he go after the 12 & under market or 18-34 market?
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#297785
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297785/action/topic#297785
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
I was dead fucking serious with that whole "pit of despair and loathing" monolouge. And the relaese of the GOUT proved that Lucas isnt controlled by money, he's rather comitted to proving to everybody they don't want the OOT so he can destroy them (or already has destroyed them) guilt free


Generalfrevious, I respectfully disagree with ya, cause the fact that Lucas released the OOT last year, signifies its not dead.

I understand all of us here understand the Anamorphic Issue, and many of us here have an HDTV, including myself, but the majority of people out there don't have one, nor really care about watching a movie the way we do. Most people have 32" TV's and are still annoyed by those black bars!

I will give you an example, my twin nephews are 7 years old, and love SW, and have only seen the SE. I bought them the OOT last year, and they were in shock when there was a different Anakin at the end of ROTJ! The same way I was in shock when there was a different Anakin in 2004! They have at my brothers house a 32" TV, and don't notice a difference in either the SE which is Anamorphic or the OOT which isn't.

My whole point is that I was able to expose them to the OOT, that I would have never been able to do if it was just on VHS, cause they are growing up in a DVD-only generation. If the OOT never came out last year, they would still think that Hayden was in the damn movie in 1983! So by the OOT being out there to the average consumer, it may suck for us who have HDTV's, but a whole generation of kids who have a 32" TV have a choice now, are atleast being exposed to the OOT just so they know what all the debate is.

I am not saying the OOT will replace every SE in all homes, but I have always taken the stance that an inferior OOT is better then nothing, cause most people can't tell the difference anyway! Lucas never wanted these versions out, and I believe he gave into pressure, and I honestly think he just didn't want to invest the money in remastering a product that he felt may not sell, but for the crap they put out last year, it did sell well if you check the numbers, so there is a market for it. Just remember, there is the '97 versions that have never been put out on DVD, and why not? Because nobody wants them, so I still stand by the OOT will make to HD-DVD/Blue Ray someday. It sucks we may have to wait, but there is too much demand for it.

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#297719
Topic
"Making of Star Wars" (1977) taped from ABC??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297719/action/topic#297719
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Originally posted by: Forbidden Zone
'The Wrecking of Star Wars' would be great to see. Excellent idea. I'd love to see interviews with the original ILM effect artist and what they think of how George talks down all their ground breaking work and replaces it with CGI for the SE.



1977 Academy Award Winners for Best Visual Effects:

John Stears, John Dykstra, Richard Edlund, Grant McCune and Robert Blalack, Star Wars



This is the most insulting thing by Lucas, the fact that the damn movie won an Academy Award for its Visual Effects, and that version doesn't exist anymore! Oh well, I guess Star Wars only won 6 Academy Awards instead of 7!

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#297642
Topic
Mr. McGregor hated SW?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297642/action/topic#297642
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Originally posted by: Jobel


Not exactly, Sir Alec grew to hate the films because of the constant undeserved (in his opinion) adulation he got over what he saw as just fantasy films. McGregor clearly hates the prequels just because they are bad films, which they are. And he probably didn't have a lot of fun shooting them either, seeing as it was all CGI apart from about 4 characters.



I agree, the OT actors started hating SW, especially Ford & Guiness, because it was so popular, their careers were being overshadowed by being known as Han & ObiWan. The PT actors hate the movies, cause it did absolutely zero to further their careers and actually hampered them as Portman & Christenson won Razzies as WORST actors in a movie. Ford, Fisher, and Hammil have come around in the last few years I think because the PT has gotten so much shit and is laughable except by the TFN crowd, they want everyone to know, "Hey we were part of the first 3 movies that everyone loved, not those shitty ones that just came out!"

Remember what Ford said to Lucas at the AFI achievement awards, "I was a part of the FUNNY Trilogy, George!"
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#297637
Topic
2007 DVD repackage
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297637/action/topic#297637
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Originally posted by: Dantha Fodder
Another store in Australia is selling all 6 movies at a really cheap price and I notice it says ¨Item on sale at this price until 20 Dec 2007.¨

Are we going to see a box set release 5 days before Christmas maybe?


SW boxset releases have always come out in Sept/Oct. and the individual PT movies have come out in November. Lucasfilm would be stupid to put anything out after Thanksgiving, cause the Friday after Thanksgiving is the biggest shopping day of the year. Lucas puts SW movies out before Thanksgiving, so the diehards can buy them the first week they are out, and that gives the remainder of the Christmas Shopping Season (6 weeks) for the casual fan to buy it for themselves or as a present for Christmas. Sorry guys, it is just too late for any new SW release this year, cause they are always announced 2-3 months in advance for the stores to get advertising materials ready. We gotta wait til next year for anything new.

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#297557
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297557/action/topic#297557
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Originally posted by: Mike O


Ah, but he has the TV series.



The TV show is a niche market of EU fans, and I guarantee will not even come close to drawing the millions of SW fans who goto see the movies. Look at the PT movies, can you name one movie series that people hated the first 2 movies, yet still saw the 3rd movie in the trilogy? They did that cause they thought it would complete the OT story, nothing more nothing less.

The TV show is just add on to the story, not THE STORY as the PT was suppose to be, so most OT diehards don't really care. They may be curious to see the first few shows, but it won't do huge numbers, it will have a niche base of fans like the EU books, and they are diehards, but in terms of what the audience is for the movies, it won't even come close.

Trust me guys, I have alot of friends who love SW, and they are all done with it, and could care less about the TV show. They have SW, ESB, and ROTJ in their collection and that is it.
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#297556
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297556/action/topic#297556
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious


No it won't; it will be only a medium for Lucas to further seal the death of the OOT. And CO, didn't you say yourself a few months ago the hope for the OOT died with the GOUT, and we will be stuck with the GOUT as our only source of seeing the real SW in 2015, when HD has swamped the market?



The difference is that people are not going to rush out to buy HD-DVD the same way they did with DVD. You have to look at DVD, and how it changed the whole home video market. DVD was such an upgrade over VHS, EVERYONE got into the market, and even started buying movies for the first time in their life.

When the OT finally came out in 2004 on DVD, most people were just happy to get it, and they would take ANY edition. I know cause I was one of those fans. HD-DVD or BlueRay is an upgrade over DVD, but not a huge upgrade to the average consumer the way DVD was to VHS, so I believe the average consumer won't be just buying every title that comes out.

What leads me to my point, SW on HD-DVD/BlueRay has to be done right, or a majority of fans won't buy it. Sure there are fans who will buy anything with SW on it, but not as many as Lucas thinks. I was one of those who had to have anything of SW on DVD, but I am not waiting day-by-day for announcement of a BlueRay SW set the same way I was when the OT was announced in Feb 2004. The difference is I am going to wait, and if it is the SE again, then I will take a pass, cause I am not going to spend 60-70 dollars to make a small upgrade of quality of something I don't love, and I think alot of fans will do the same.

I said 2015 more as an exaggeration because of this format war that just isn't ending, so who knows when there will be one format, maybe 2010, maybe 2015, but it sure won't end in 2008, and sadly people like myself will not get into the market until the war is over.
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#297552
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297552/action/topic#297552
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I going to play devils advocate for a second and be George Lucas:

He wants EVERYONE to see the saga 1-6, he wants EVERYONE to recognize the PT, the SE, and not the OOT. He wants everyone to see it as the story of Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, that is why he has Hayden there now instead of Shaw at the end of ROTJ. He doesn't want to put out multiple versions everytime on DVD, he would rather just put out 6 movies of the version he feels is the story he is telling now.
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Here is the problem with that, a majority of SW fans don't see it that way, and he has a dilemma now. He did the same thing to SW'77 fans back in 1977, either see the story as the OT, or don't, as he changed SW to Episode IV: A New Hope. Alot of fans are still just SW'77 fans, but a large chunk of us loved ESB, like ROTJ and went with his vision of seeing the story not as originally intended, but as Darth Vader, Luke, and Leia all being related.

What will eventually happen is Lucas will realize that a huge part of the fanbase will just not recognize the SE/PT as canon, and although there is many of us that will put up with the SE on DVD, cause they are great quality DVD's, we still prefer the OOT instead. The DVD format for SW has been screwed up since day one, as the OT/SE took 7 years, TPM took 2 1/2 years, and only AOTC & ROTS came out day and date. And finally the OOT came out in halfass quality in 2006 to finally put the nail in the coffin that split the fanbase up.

HD-DVD/BlueRay will correct all this nonsense, cause the Saga is done now, the movies are done, and Lucas doesn't have anything new. Just the fact that the OOT came out on DVD, albeit crappy DVD, shows that Lucas knows there is a market for those movies, as Lucas said in 2005, "People under 25 love the PT, and those over 25 mostly have not liked those movies." I am paraphrasing and it is a general statement cause not every over/under 25 feels that way, but that statement tells me Lucas knows what the fanbase wants, and he was just trying to get fans to see it the way he wanted to. Unfortunately to alot of diehard SW fans, he failed with the PT/SE, and he knows there is a huge OOT fanbase out there who will still buy anything from 77-83. Wait for HD-DVD or BlueRay, that will finally give us what we want, cause SW is a bigtent fanbase now, it isn't just SW'77, or the OT, or the saga, as Lucas has tried to get his fanbase to evolve to over the years, it is all 3.
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#297506
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297506/action/topic#297506
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JediRandy, I think what version we all like is irrelevant when it comes to this specific AFI showing. I just think when you are showing off a piece of history, it should be shown in the context of what made history, and this is where Lucas has done a disservice to the original SW.

This whole AFI showing issue isn't about what version should be on DVD, or should the movies be remastered, it is about showing the special effects that Lucas & ILM accomplished in 1977 and letting people watch them in that context, and to understand how incredible it was at the time. The story is still there, the characters are still there, but the effects were such a leap ahead of ANYTHING at that time, it is almost laughable to watch anything sci-fi pre 1977 and wonder how the hell Lucas & the boys accomplished that.

I just don't get Lucas and why he is stubborn just on SW'77, not the OT, just this movie, cause this movie will be long remembered by the public more then the other 5 movies cause of its impact on movies, and sadly it deserves to be seen by the public as it was seen May 25th, 1977. I know that King Kong 1933 is the same way, even though many young fans probably would rather watch the 2005 Peter Jackson version, history shouldn't be rewritten.
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#297488
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297488/action/topic#297488
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead


I will say - their non-action where preserving Star Wars is concerned has certainly changed my view of them as a credible organization.



They are all about money, and not about principle, cause they know if they only want to show the 1977 version, Lucas will probably veto it. That's fine with me what they're doing, it just exposes them as to what they are really about: $$$$$$$$$$$$ That's is why Lucas & AFI belong together!
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#297472
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297472/action/topic#297472
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JediRandy is just a troll, and I find his posts hilareous sometimes, and we shouldn't take offense to him, cause you have to put it in context: He is taking time out of his day to write a post for something he doesn't care about just to mock us, I feel pretty sad for him, cause he could be doing something more constructive with his life.

I have debated JediRandy on TFN and ORS, and he actually isn't this PT gusher that he comes off as, as he is pretty reasonable, but he is just the type of guy who just doesn't hate Lucas the same way we do for the suppression of the OOT, and thinks were a bunch of whiners. So in a sense, he agrees with us on our assessment of the movies, he just isn't as passionate about it as we are, and he is trying to goad us with his posts.

I say to everyone, enjoy his posts with a grain of salt, and if nobody replies to him and he believes he isn't getting us, he will go away.
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#297381
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297381/action/topic#297381
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei


The big question in my mind is whether LFL and Fox might decide to accelerate their plans, so to speak, now that Paramount has gone hd-dvd exclusive. If Paramount starts releasing some of their really big catalog titles on hd-dvd within the next year and half (after which they are expected to go format neutral again), the blu-ray exclusive studios will need to fire back with their own titles. As some of you people have said, even a high definition disc release of the holy Star Wars trilogy would need more selling points than simply owning a 1080p transfer of the '04 SE. With the original versions of Close Encounters and Blade Runner, films from the OT's very same era, now being faithfully preserved for all eternity in 1080p24, maybe it's time LFL stepped up to the plate and really deliver something amazing. The '06 release gave us absolutely nothing that hadn't already been released. If they're going to release anything worth hyping, they should go all out and wow us.


Not to derail this thread, but I don't expect any SW movies, SE, PT, OOT, on BlueRay or HD-DVD for a couple of years. And the answer is simple: The mass market. The reason Lucas & Spielberg held back many of their films in the early years of DVD was the market was not big enough, and they didn't want to release their movies to a niche market, and that is what HDDVD is right now. They want to release their movies when the 'average' consumer is in, so they can make the maximum dollar, not just to theater junkies like ourselves.

I am watching the list of movies that are coming out in the first two years of HDDVD, and it is almost exactly the list of DVD titles in 1997/98/99. A slew of newer movies that are easy to remaster, then a couple of A-Titles to keep it moving. Not until about the 4th year of existence of DVD, meaning 2000, did we really see the A-Titles like Jaws, Jurassic Park, The Abyss, Braveheart, etc, cause the market took off that year. The problem is we have this format war and the market is not going to take off til it is solved, and people like myself who are dying to upgrade are waiting so I don't buy the wrong player.

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#297367
Topic
Why the hell did the lazy Emperor even think Luke would join the dark side and become his new apprentice?!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297367/action/topic#297367
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
The real moron of ROTJ is Vader. In ESB, he wants Luke to join him and overthrow the Emperor. He's plotting and subversive. All of a sudden in ROTJ he doesn't want to pursue that any more. He's just going along with the motions and doing what the Emperor asks. To top it off, he knowingly delivers a replacement apprentice to the Emperor. All this because "the power of the Dark Side" compels him to obey. Um, okay.


Are you talking 1-6 or just 4-6 storyline? Cause if you are talking 1-6, the 'I must obey my master' line is very weak. But I always found that line very striking before the PT was made, and always thought that The Emperor almost imprisoned Vader with his power from the darkside, using his lightning. I envisoned Vader trying to overthrow The Emperor by himself sometime before Episode IV, and The Emperor putting an utter ass whooping on him with his lightning making Vader scared to ever cross him again, until he thinks Luke would help him in ESB.

Now with the PT, and the fact that Dooku uses Lightning, which totally demeans the power of Lightning now, that line, "I must obey my master' is lame and really doesn't mean anything, cause Anakin only obeyed Palpatine to save Padme, why would he do it after she was dead? Oh man, the PT so fucked up the story of the OT. Good job George.

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#297361
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297361/action/topic#297361
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If it was the 1977 version, I could see Lucas opening up before the movie:

"For all you young fans in the audience, this is a rough cut of the film, as it took me 20 years of editing and rewriting, and if you buy the DVD's, that is the final version of the film. I worked so hard to get the right angle for Greedo shooting first, and took years to develop a CG Jabba, cause I knew that would sell the film to the public, not the story and the characters. Enjoy!"
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#297310
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297310/action/topic#297310
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This is where I always get confused about the rights of The Original SW. Lucas owns ESB, ROTJ, and the PT outright, but the original agreement was Fox takes the majority profits of SW'77 and Lucas gets the sequel rights, and the merchandising. Does anyone know if Lucas finally acquired the full rights to SW'77 possibly around the SE in 1997?
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#297256
Topic
Why the hell did the lazy Emperor even think Luke would join the dark side and become his new apprentice?!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297256/action/topic#297256
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
CO, do you really think we're supposed to believe that the dark side is more powerful? I mean, Yoda point-blank refuted that when Luke asked him in ESB. Unless of course, you just mean a quick power-up, rather than an overall higher threshhold of power...


How do you know Yoda isn't lying to Luke in ESB? Why would Yoda tell him that the Darkside is stronger, wouldn't that make a young student like Luke more eager to possibly embrace it? Yoda sends Luke to the cave to teach him a lesson, and I think Yoda does that with the power of the force too. Remember, you can't think in terms of 1,2,3 when you watch the OT, and the power of the darkside is alot more respected.

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#297229
Topic
George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297229/action/topic#297229
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To whom it may concern,

I always enjoy the AFI specials each June, as it is a time for me to reflect on all the great films I have come to love. I have read that George Lucas will presenting Star Wars as one of the 11 films to honor the 40th Anniversary of the AFI Institute, and I believe he will be presenting the wrong version from 1977.

Star Wars is my favorite movie of all-time, and that movie has become beloved the same way the Wizard of Oz has done to multiple generations, but Mr. Lucas changed the version that won 7 Academy Awards in 1997 and later updated it in 2004. It is now known as Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. It has new scenes, changed scenes, and new special effects that were updated to make the movie look more like the present day movies, instead of its ground breaking time of 1977.

I can only hope that you are showing and honoring the 1977 film, because that version revolutionized movies, and I think it deserves the respect to a new fanbase that this was the film that took the movie public by storm that summer. I am not against director cuts, or extended cuts of any classic film, as I own several movies that do have multiple versions, but I believe that when you honor a film, it should be the original version, not the updated version.

Thank you,
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#297226
Topic
Why the hell did the lazy Emperor even think Luke would join the dark side and become his new apprentice?!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/297226/action/topic#297226
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Guys, you have to put in context of the darkside with the OT, and the saga 1-6, as they are two different ideologies Lucas was portraying, and this is what happens when you change a story 20 years later.

The darkside as portrayed in the OT was about power, as you could feel it as it takes over your body. Just watch Luke as he is tempted by The Emperor in ROTJ, it is overcoming him, and he is becoming this powerful mother f-er, and that is the true trap of the darkside, it is like a drug, the high you get from it is tough to give up.

Now fast forward to the PT, the darkside has a totally different context now, as it isn't about Anakin becoming more powerful, it is about him being duped or lied to. Anakin never becomes more powerful once he takes the pledge to be the Emperor's apprentice, as it never overcomes him, he is just tricked into thinking it will. For the rest of ROTS, he is no more powerful then he was before The Emperor called him Darth Vader, cause he essentially loses to Kenobi in a fight, as you see nothing in that fight to prove that the darkside has made him oh so powerful.

ROTJ and ESB are just about temptation and feeling the darkside, and knowing once you go down that road, it will overcome you and you will be much more powerful, hence Luke kicks Vaders ass in ROTJ. The PT darkside is just about a trick by Palpatine, and that is why it comes off so lame, cause it doesn't match up with 4-6 when you try to watch them in the same context of one movie saga.