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#314529
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Indiana Jones IV
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George Lucas says his new 'Indiana Jones' is 'just a movie'

By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY
To hear him talk, you'd think George Lucas would have preferred to call his movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Don't Get Your Hopes Up.
Lucas, who co-wrote and produced the May 22 film, can sound downright sullen when it comes to his expectations of fan reaction to the year's most highly anticipated movie.

"When you do a movie like this, a sequel that's very, very anticipated, people anticipate ultimately that it's going to be the Second Coming," Lucas says. "And it's not. It's just a movie. Just like the other movies. You probably have fond memories of the other movies. But if you went back and looked at them, they might not hold up the same way your memory holds up."

The remarks appear to be part of a larger strategy to build interest yet temper expectations for the fourth installment of the Indiana Jones franchise. Only one trailer is playing, and when director Steven Spielberg shows up for talk shows, he doesn't bring footage.

Lucas says he learned his lesson about unrealistic expectations when he revived the Star Wars franchise in 1999. "When people approach the new (Indiana Jones), much like they did with Phantom Menace, they have a tendency to be a little harder on it," he says. "You're not going to get a lot of accolades doing a movie like this. All you can do is lose."

Except when it comes to money. Analysts expect it to rake in well more than double its reported budget of $125 million. But Lucas says that doesn't hold much sway for him, Spielberg and Harrison Ford.

"We came back to do (Indy) because we wanted to have fun," he says. "It's not going to make much money for us in the end. We all have some money. … It would make a lot of money if you weren't rich. But we're not doing it for the money."

It's fan and critic reaction for which the team is bracing, but Lucas says he has quit trying to appeal to everyone. "It was really a blast" to make. "And it turned out fantastic. … I like to watch it."

Lucas concedes that it will be impossible to water down expectations, even among fellow filmmakers.



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#314508
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Spike TV ROTJ Summary
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Here is the writeup on Spike TV of ROTJ being shown next week:

-- Star Wars: Episode VI Return of the Jedi (1983, PG) Premieres Sunday, April 13 (8:00 - 11:00 PM, ET/PT); Encore Monday, April 14 (5:00 - 8:00 PM, ET/PT).

In the epic conclusion of the Saga, the Empire prepares to crush the Rebellion with a more powerful Death Star while the Rebel fleet mounts a massive attack on the space station. Luke Skywalker confronts his father Darth Vader in a final climactic duel before the evil Emperor. In the last second, Vader makes a momentous choice: he destroys the Emperor and saves his son. The Empire is finally defeated, the Sith are destroyed, and Anakin Skywalker is thus redeemed. At long last, freedom is restored to the galaxy.
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Here is the writeup on the VHS 1995 ROTJ:

The Millenium Falcon flashes through hyperspace and creatures from all over the galaxy defy the Galactic Empire in this stunning chapter of the SW saga. After rescuing Han Solo and Princess Leia from certain doom at the hands of Jabba the Hutt, Luke rejoins Yoda. Only by completing his jedi training can he become a jedi knight and defeat Darth Vader and the dark side of the force. With favorites Chewbacca, R2 and C3PO, plus the ewoks, ROTJ takes SW adventure to new heights of excitement.
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Wow what a difference 13 years makes in a context of a movie now? Do you notice in the Spike TV write up, Lucas now focuses on Darth Vader saving the galaxy, instead of Luke saving the galaxy back in 1995? There is no mention in the Spike ROTJ writeup of Chewy, R2, C3PO, and not even HAN SOLO or PRINCESS LEIA!!!!! No, the story is sold as Darth Vaders, take it or leave it.

The tradegy of Darth Vader is what Lucas wants, but he should rename it the Tradegy of the Star Wars Trilogy.
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#313820
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So... your opinion of how much Lucas really had planned out?
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Lucas had the Original SW planned out as one movie, and I feel he had 'ideas' for sequels, but nothing in stone. I believe he wrote the Original SW, and all of the other cool ideas he couldn't fit in a 2 hour movie, he put in his little binder: maybe they get caught in a space slug which people think we'll be an asteroid, maybe someone will be frozen in carbonite, but won't be dead, maybe we can have this huge land battle on this forest planet, etc.

Did he have backstory notes when writing SW in 1975? Probably had that Darth Vader/ObiWan fought and Vader fell into Lava, probably had the Empire taking over the galaxy, and The Emperor ends up ruling. Again, just basic notes to write the first movie.

Did he have anything planned out? NO WAY!!!! I will be honest, it doesn't bother me that he didn't, heck I love ESB, but that movie was probably written in the context AFTER 1977. I just get annoyed that Lucas won't admit that he didn't, as I would love to see a documentary about Lucas stating when they decided to make Vader/Luke's father into one person, maybe it hit him 3 in the morning in 1978, "Hey Marcia, I got it!!!! Darth Vader is Lukes father!!!!!"
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#312527
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Seinfeld
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Seinfeld is the most innovative and funny sitcom I have ever seen. The characters were great, each episode with 4 stories woven into one ending were great, and the secondary characters like Newman, George's Parents, Uncle Leo, Puddy, etc, were classic too. The best season was 1992-93 where Jerry/George make the pilot of a show about 'nothing' Other great episodes that season were The Contest and who was 'Master of their domain', the Pitch to NBC executives where George walks out and says, "I will not compromise my artistic integrity." and of the one where Jerry/George are assumed as being Gay when the reporter overhears them joking with Elaine and the phrase 'Not that there is anything wrong with that."
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#312316
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Anyone else here have a love/hate relation with Revenge of the sith ?
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Originally posted by: Baronlando
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)



Count me in as one of those fans. I check in frequently on SW forums for one reason: any rumor, blurb, quote, anything regarding the OOT coming out on DVD or BluRay, remastered ofcourse. I do enjoy talking about the movies, even dissecting the PT movies too, but if Lucas would have released the OOT the right way back in '06, I probably would have walked away from SW fandom, the same way I did in 1983 after ROTJ came out: Satisfied. Oh well, only time will tell......
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#312278
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Anyone else here have a love/hate relation with Revenge of the sith ?
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ROTS got glowing reviews in '05 for the same reason AOTC got pretty good reviews in '02, they seemed at the time that they were better then the previous installment.

I remember in 2002 when AOTC came out, everyone said SW was back from the early reviews. Less Jar Jar, no Jake Lloyd, more ObiWan, Anakin goes on a killing spree....... I still say AOTC is better then TPM, and at the time I kinda bought into those ideas, but years later and after getting a chance to watch it on DVD, it isn't THAT much better.

Rewind to 2005 when ROTS came out, everyone said THIS was the Prequel movie everyone waited for: Darth Vader is born, you see Luke/Leia, the duel, The Emperor revealed, the jedi are taken out........ I still say ROTS is better then AOTC, and at the time I kinda bought into those ideas, but years later and after getting a chance to watch it on DVD, it isn't THAT much better.

Does anyone notice I repeated myself word for word with each PT movie and how feel today? TPM set the bar so low for future SW movies, that anything that was tolerable was considered good, and anything that was good was considered great. So yeah, alot of people liked ROTS, but that doesn't mean they thought it was a classic movie, they just thought it was better then those other two turds, Episode I & II.

The ironic thing is ROTJ suffers from the EXACT opposite reviews from the fanbase, cause it doesn't live up to SW & ESB, as ROTS aint as bad as TPM & AOTC. That is why ROTS got good reviews at the time, and I guarantee if ROTS was released in 1983, it wouldn't have gotten the positive reviews it did in 2005.
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#312169
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Anyone else here have a love/hate relation with Revenge of the sith ?
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Originally posted by: deespence2929
Wow, I see why major fatal got pissed at me. He expected the thread to go in the current direction it is in now. Sorry to disrupt your plan there buddy.


I want all opinions on this site, as nobody should be ashamed of enjoying the PT, as I wish I did. The goal of this site is to get the OOT now on BluRay in the future, and as long as everyone who posts here is a fan of the OOT, and believes it should get the proper restoration, then what anyone thinks of other SW related stuff should not be shouted down by the majority here. I think Gomer stirs stong emotions by many of us, cause he disrespected the OOT in many of his posts and that is why he is not liked here.

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#312083
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Anyone else here have a love/hate relation with Revenge of the sith ?
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I feel this way towards all of the PT movies, I love some stuff and absolutely despise other parts of the movies. I think this quote will help you understand why all PT movies are so uneven, and I think it had to do with Lucas doing EVERYTHING on these movies instead of more collaboration like the OT:

"I went up and met with George at his house, and he introduced me to a lot of the people working on ESB. Then, when the initial draft script came in, we weren't happy with it. So we started meeting with Larry Kasdan and re-working the script, and we all threw in ideas. I kept thinking in terms of characters, George was thinking a lot more of the actual story, and then Larry Kasdan was thinking dialogue, which ties in with characters and story. We worked for many weeks, and finally got the script."
-Irvin Kershner talking about the pre-production of ESB in 1979 (Star Wars Insider, June 2000, pg 26.)
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#311982
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Why do PT defenders and such keep claiming the OT was badly written as well ?!
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This is a common technique of PT gushers on the internet, and I always go by this: I have no problem which movies you like, but don't tear down one movie to make the ones you are defending be just as good?

I truly love SW/ESB, and enjoy ROTJ cause it completes the trilogy, but you won't hear me defending ROTJ saying that SW/ESB have 'ewok' moments too to justify it. There is a reason I love SW/ESB, cause I think they are flawless movies, and that is just my opinion, but when people say they are SW fans, and then say all of them have their flaws with bad dialogue, bad acting, etc, I wonder what made you become a SW fan if you have so many problems with all the movies?

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#311287
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I'll give Episode One something...
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Originally posted by: bigbaddaddyvader


Let the lynching begin......
lol


Don't feel you have to justify why you enjoy a movie, cause everyone's tastes are different, and what I like and you like and someone else likes doesn't mean anyone of us is right or wrong. I think what happened with the PT is that people who didn't like the movies were told reasons why they SHOULD have liked them, and that they weren't giving them a chance, or they hated Lucas and didn't want them to be good, etc. Whatever happened to: I liked the movie cause I enjoyed it, and I didn't like the movie cause I didn't enjoy it.

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#311079
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I hate M. Night Ramalamadingdong!
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Originally posted by: Windexed
Am I the only one that doesn't hate M. Night Shamalhamdam? I mean sure he comes of as a sactumoneous prick at times, and his movies can be pretentious and are probably overrated. But I'd still rather watch anything he does over 75% of the shit Hollywood pumps out these days (Stephen Sommers, Paul WS Anderson, Wiseman, Ratner, the Scary Movie creators, ect.).


I always like M.Nights movies, as they are better then most crap out these days. I agree he overdoes it with the twists in EVERY movie, but the one thing I will give him is the story is atleast interesting and all his movies you kinda don't know where they are headed. This is so refreshing in todays age of movies where most movies are lame big budget sequels that the story is the worst aspect of the movie, and M.Night atleast makes a compelling story to hold your attention for 2 hours. Another thing is M.Night always gets great performances out his cast too, and plus he is from the Philly area, and so am I.
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#310450
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Indiana Jones IV
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Indiana Jones movies are like Rocky movies, there are no bad ones, they just won't be as great as the originals, and if you go in with those expectations, then you will enjoy it. As I said in another thread, as long as its got Ford, his hat and whip, and the music, even Lucas can't screw it up from the Producers Chair!

I will be interested to see the type of audience that goes that first weekend. Thirty-somethings like myself who grew up in the 80's with the Indy Trilogy? Twenty-Somethings who may have saw Last Crusade and grew up on VHS with them in the 90's? Will there be any from the 16-24 generation who wasn't alive when the Indy-craze was upon us, and will they even care to see it?
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#310280
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: Mielr

They had a segment on E.T. as well, but they didn't show the entire trailer, just snippets of it. Are you talking about the bit in the truck?



Yes, and just this 5 second scene confirms why Indy fans will enjoy this movie, and why the didn't like the PT: INDY IS STILL IN IT!!! The PT didn't have those lovable characters in it, so if you didn't care for them, how could you like the movies? With Indy IV, I am not saying it will be Raiders-quality, I am not even saying it is going to be a great movie, but its got Ford, his hat, the whip, the music, and it will have that humor in it, so nobody will hate it like they did with the PT, cause you will have someone to root for the whole time.
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#310262
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: Mielr



Speaking of Harrison Ford/Indiana Jones- did anyone see Good Morning America this morning? I missed it.


I DVR'd it, and it did give me goosebumps. The trailer does have a really funny moment with Ford, but I won't spoil it for those who havent seen it. The trailer starts, "Lucasfilm LTD." and you get alittle goosebumps, then you see Indy's hat, and the blood starts pumping, and then the John Williams music cues.......you feel like a kid again.

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#310247
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: JediRandy


This whole idea of "tarnishing" the originals is crazy....



I actually agree that this wont tarnish the Originals, the same way EU books haven't either. The Clone Wars Cartoons are not going to draw the 'casual' SW fan the same way the PT did, so you aren't going to have that mass response to people waiting in line, so in turn, you won't get that big news story, "ANOTHER SW MOVIE, see they are waiting in line again....."

I have talked to my diehard SW friends, and not one friend is interesting in going in August, as they said they will probably catch a couple of episode on TV, just like many new things on TV just to see how it looks. These were the guys who were there opening weekend for EVERY PT movie no matter what they thought of the previous one.

I asked my casual SW friends, and they were like "Clone huh?" These were the guys who all went to TPM, skipped AOTC, and then some went to ROTS to see how Darth Vader came to be.

It is funny cause TPM made the most money, ROTS made the second most, and AOTC made the least, and that is exactly what order my casual SW friends went to see it.

Don't worry guys, this will appeal to the SW diehards, but won't affect the OOT one bit, so I have no angst towards how this does.
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#310105
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: sunday256
My wife is one of the displeased Star Wars fans..but not because of anything George did or didn't do. She got uninterested because of the fans getting all nitpicky about everything. She was enjoying the prequels as well as the rest of the EU for that matter. She was just as big of a fan as me.

When I told her about the new series getting a theatrical release, she was quite honestly suprised. She didn't say she wouldn't go and see it with me, because I know she will. But like I said, she's not uninterested because of George. I'm just tired of hearing people bicker on and on about how much they hate the SE and prequels and everything about them. When someone starts a thread like this, the pissers should find another place to piss. Otherwise people like me are going respond negatively.



See, what happened over the years on this site, is every topic has migrated over to the 'General SW discussion' forum, and away from the 'Theatrical Cuts vs SE' forum. When I first came here in '05, this board really didn't discuss much about the OOT, cause it was all PT talk, about what we liked and disliked. For some reason nobody uses the 'TC vs SE' forum to discuss the OOT, or the lack of OOT anymore. I guess to put it in perspective, most of us come here cause we are diehard OOT fans who despise the SE and don't like the PT, and when this is really the only forum on the site that people talk SW on, you are going to get EVERYONES opinion about what's new and old in the SW universe.

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#310103
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: sunday256
Voila, because the topic is about the the movie coming out. Those folks coming into a thread just to piss? I read the thread because I'm more interested in seeing posts about people who plan on seeing it. Jeezus.


I partly agree with you, and partly disagree too. I do agree with you if someone keeps coming in and won't let it go how much they hate SW and Lucas, they should post once and walk away in this thread. But I am interested in hearing everyones opinion about the Clone Wars Movie/TV show atleast once just to get an idea of what SW fans think of this.

I can honestly say if someone told me 10 years ago that there would be more SW stuff after the PT and I wouldn't care, I would have told them they were nuts. I am frankly suprised that Lucas is in a sense doing Episode II.5, instead of doing something new and interesting. There is so much more out there in the SW universe to do, why pick something that has essentially been told, and is now getting fleshed out even more? If someone enjoys it, I say that there is nothing wrong with that, but I have to say I have told my diehard SW friends yesterday about the Movie/TV show, and NOBODY cares now! They all said, "Oh just let it go George..." Again, I don't think that has anything to do with hate towards Lucas, cause none of my friends post on SW boards, or really go crazy over the PT or OOT, but I think they are all just Star Wars out.

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#310062
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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This has nothing to do with my angst towards Lucas and his treatment of the OOT, but I really am not interested in this new Clone War Cartoon/Movie coming out. Is there anything really interesting about this, since it is in a sense another prequel where we know what happens in the end? The one hook Lucas had on the fans with the PT was how Darth Vader came to be, that was what sold the PT, and made many fans who hated Episode I & II go back for Episode III. Sorry George, not interested.
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#308972
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Jim Ward steps down
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
I think a friend of mine put it best. "Hey George your past impact on culture is more important than you are. Snap your fingers and make a few thousand people happy please."

Except I would hope it's more than a few thousand in reality.



Just remember, the majority of SW fans are OOT fans, but the passionate ones are in the minority, as most people really aren't that motivated like we are to spend time trying to preserve something they know is better. I have never met a person who says they like JediRocks or Greedo shooting first, although the one debate among the community would have been if Lucas just spiffed up special effects and left the scenes like the ones I named above untouched.

I can give you an example of ET DVD release in 2002. Originally, they were just going to release the SE, and I was mad cause I wanted the original version, but still would have bought it if it only contained the SE cause I wanted the movie. They ended up releasing both versions, but I can honestly say I never email Universal/Spielberg to release the Original Version, and I think that is how the majority of SW fans are.

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#307828
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Is George Lucas a fan of Star Wars?
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I believe Lucas is bitter about American Graffiti and/or THX-1138 and how they edited some of those movies, and he had no say in how he wanted the final cut. I understand his point, as an artist, he wants to make his movie, but the studio is worried about the bottom line, so want essentially their movie. The ironic thing is that when Lucas financed his SW movies, it was himself who was worried about the bottom line and how it appealed to fans instead of making the movie he wanted to make.
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#307804
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Is George Lucas a fan of Star Wars?
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A very interesting quote from 2004 on Charlie Rose with Lucas:

Lucas was asked about the financial stability of Lucasfilm after 1983. Lucas said, "In the early 90's, we were breaking even every year, and I was presented a proposal of how much money we could make if I made the Prequels. If I made the Prequels, I could be financially independent for the rest of my life, and make any movie or project I want through Lucasfilm, not the studio system. If I let SW go, and stopped after ROTJ, then every project I would do in the future would hinge on the studio system, as Lucasfilm was not some big money maker before the Prequels were made, where I could essentially do what I want now."

I believe the PT was a safe way of Lucas never having to worry about the Studio system ever again, whether it be the SW Sequel Trilogy or anything he wanted do, so from a business point of view, the PT was a success. But anyone who wonders why TPM was kiddy, why it never seemed to hit the tone of ESB in any PT movie, was essentially Lucas had to reach the maximum amount of fanbase he could, cause in the end it was about money, not quality.
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#307384
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Fall to the Dark Side?
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If the whole PT story wasn't centered around this moment, many fans wouldn't have been so down on it. Lucas's whole reason for the PT was why did Darth Vader turn to the darkside, so logically you are watching the movies figuring it will be some climatic scene that will make 22 years, and 3 more movies worth the wait. Instead it is anti-climatic, and I believe if Anakins turn was more a plot point instead the WHOLE point of the PT, there wouldn't be as much anger as there is towards it. The PT could have essentially been more macro, as the Clone Wars could have been the main story of the 3 movies, and Palpatine seducing Anakin could have been just a plot point along with all the other stuff we waited for to fill in the blanks.

I guess what I am saying is Anakin's turn should have been just as important to the story as Padme starting the rebellion, which was deleted from ROTS, or Yoda/Kenobi learning the force ghost trick. Instead all those plot points were shoveled aside for the new saga title 'The Tragedy of Darth Vader' so of course people are going to expect the turn to be something memorable!
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#306002
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Is George Lucas a fan of Star Wars?
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Ask Robert Plant if he enjoys singing Stairway to Heaven? Ask Bruce Springsteen if he enjoys singing Born to Run? Ask Billy Joel if he enjoys singing Piano Man? I think in someways they hate them, because they are sick of doing that song EVERY concert, and it doesn't help them grow as an artist, cause it looks like they are stuck in the past. Yet, they do love them cause it does show how special those songs are to people.

I think SW is the same way to Lucas, part of him is sick of it, part of him loves it, and I don't believe he ever sits down and pops it in his DVD playerrobably cause he doesn't want to see Greedo shooting first! But I guarantee if Lucas was ever flipping through the channels and caught it on TV, he would probably sit back and admire not how great the movie is, cause he already knows that, but more because it holds up just as good as it did in 1977.

One sidenote, did anyone see the AFI tribute to Lucas in 2005? Near the end C3PO/R2/Mark Hammil/Carrie Fisher/Harrison Ford all got on stage for a shot that was in the exact position they were at the end of SW in 1977 during the medal ceremony, and what happened right after that really struck me. As the 3 actors stood on stage with the 2 droids, the camera quickly panned to the audience, and I was suprised to see Lucas be the first person to stand up and give a standing ovation and the crowd followed suit. You could see a sense of satisfaction that Lucas knew it was a special moment to people, as I had goosebumps seeing those actors on stage again. Trust me guys, Lucas will always love his baby Star Wars from 1977, he just has to sell the 6 movies together now because he is running a business, and it is financially smarter to sell 6 movies to the public everytime instead of 3.