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#316556
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What order would you show the Star Wars movies to your kids?
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Here is one order that I would find very interesting to show a new SW fan, and I think they would have to be older to really understand the details of the 6 movies:

1. Episode IV
2. Episode V
3. Episode VI (Then stop it after ObiWan/Luke talk on Dagobah about Anakin.)
4. Episode I
5. Episode II
6. Episode III
7. Episode VI (After Luke leaves Dagobah and the 2nd act of the movie begins)

The reason I would split up ROTJ is it is essentially telling 2 stories that relate to each trilogy. The first 40 minutes are about saving Han, so you are in OT mode after watching Episode IV & V and you are concentrating on those characters. Then popping in the PT after Luke/Obiwan talk can be a huge flashback almost like Obiwan is finally telling Luke EVERYTHING that happened up to his birth, including his mother. Then after that, the viewer is in PT mode, so they can follow the Luke/Vader/Emperor throne room scenes which relate more to the PT, and the rebels trying to defeat the Empire which relates to the overall story of good vs evil.

Just a thought......
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#316550
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What order would you show the Star Wars movies to your kids?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316550/action/topic#316550
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4,5,6,1,2,3

Now I am not obsessed with the 'I am your father' spoiler, as that is not the reason I say watch the OT first, cause essentially I think whatever trilogy you watch first, the other one is pretty much spoiled, so either way, the drama from one trilogy is drowned out by watching the other one first.

The reason I say the OT first is simple: ANH should be seen as a standalone movie. If the kid loves it like we did, then you show him ESB & ROTJ, and tell him this is more of the story of the adventures of Han, Luke, and Leia. If he loves those movies, then you say there is a backstory of how Darth Vader came to be, how ObiWan was a young jedi, how The Emperor came to power. You have to fall in love with one movie to fall in love with a movie series, and I am banking ANH still appeals to the masses in that respect.
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#316400
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Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316400/action/topic#316400
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The ironic thing about the GOUT is it is the worst non-anamorphic DVD in my collection. I have early non-anamorphic movies like The Abyss and Titanic, and they aren't pristine, but they are pretty good transfers for non-anamorphic, and if the OOT were of that quality, I actually could live with it. They did ZERO work on the laserdisk masters, as there is so much dust and scratches on many of these scenes, especially the whole Hoth part which looks like utter shit on a 16 x 9 TV.
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#316396
Topic
State of the Trilogy/ annual SW depression
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316396/action/topic#316396
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Speak of the devil, here is Steve Sansweet and the 2008 Plans from LFL:

NYCC08: Steve Sansweet's Lucasfilm Panel

At Saturday's New York Comic-Con panel, Steve Sansweet hosted a panel discussing some of the latest projects from Lucasfilm.

Star Wars Celebrations:
Steve opened the panel talking about the Celebrations and how much fun he has working on them. He showed a video montage (which was really cool) that included footage from all 5 Celebrations, as well as promoting C-Japan at the end. He went on to say that Celebrations are something that he “will continue to work on well into the future”, and that he will begin to discuss C5 sometime in the Fall, which follows the line of thinking that most of us had that C5 details would be released after C-Japan.

The Force Unleashed:
Steve showed the trailer for TFU (the same trailer that is running on the TFU website). He then showed a video of his interview that he had with Brett Rector during SDCC. After that, he showed two new videos that contained footage from the first level of TFU, which takes place at the TIE Fighter Construction Facility, and from the junk planet Raxus Prime. Both videos were taken from the Xbox 360 release of the game. Steve’s quote of “I predict on Sept. 16th there will be a lot of people missing from work” drew a loud cheer from the crowd.

Young Indiana Jones DVD:
Steve showed footage from Season 3 of the Young Indy DVD release. Nothing else was really covered on this topic.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull:
Steve gushed over how excited he is to see Indy 4 and how amazing the trailer is. So, he decided to show the trailer on the video screen (which I did not watch a second of or listen to, as I looked away from the screen and stuck my fingers in my ears. I have not seen the trailer, and I want to remain Indy 4 spoiler free!). He then praised J.W. Rinzler and Del Rey Publishing for the outstanding work they did in compiling the “The Complete Making of Indiana Jones” book. He had a copy of the book with him on stage and said this book is right up there on-par with the “Making of Star Wars” book that was released last year. He said the book contains pics and articles that have never been seen before.

New Indiana Jones DVD Boxed Set:
Steve mentioned the May 13th release of the new Indy DVD boxed set. He said these new editions contain loads of new bonus content not available anyplace else.

LEGO Indiana Jones: The Complete Adventure:
Steve showed the trailer for the LEGO Indy game (which is a must-buy for me) and the crowd got a big laugh from it. The game is slated for a June 3rd release

Star Wars Robot Chicken:
Seth Green and Matt Senreich appeared on stage with Steve. He basically conducted the same interview with them as they had done at CIV during their panel. Seth told the story about how the LFL name came up on his caller ID, and how he and Matt were afraid to answer the phone. They discussed how much fun it was to get the chance to work with George Lucas and how excited they were to fly out to Skywalker Ranch. They then showed the scene from Robot Chicken where George was sitting on the psychiatrist couch, and the crowd let out a huge laugh at the end. Steve ended the interview by saying the release date for SW Robot Chicken will be July 22nd, and it will contain over 2 hours of bonus content.

The Clone Wars:
Steve saved the best for last. He started off TCW discussion by giving the fans a brief overview of the story behind TCW and when it takes place in the SW timeline. He then showed a brand new mini documentary with Dave Filoni that discussed the Anakin/Ashoka relationship and what went into coming up with the design of Ashoka. Dave also talked about the vast battles that occur throughout the SW Saga and how that vastness will be carried over to the battle scenes in TCW. When the theater lights came back up, there were five members of the 501st dressed up as Clone Troopers standing in front of the stage. Steve introduced them and they received a loud ovation from the crowd. Steve then said the video will be posted on SW.com for everyone to see after the convention. Steve ended the panel session by showing footage of the interview he did with Dave Filoni and Catherine Winder at SDCC. The theatrical release comes our way on Aug. 15th, with the weekly TV series starting in October
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#316383
Topic
State of the Trilogy/ annual SW depression
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316383/action/topic#316383
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lordjedi said:

Mature? Infancy? Oh come on. Sure, people who own players is relatively low compared with standard DVD. But if the OOT came out on Bluray tomorrow, there's a built-in market that would instantly buy up players and the discs. Sales would be huge for both and the format would instantly take off.

McCallum told everyone they were waiting to see which format would win. If one format didn't win, they were going to look at digital downloads. Well, Bluray has won. LFL hasn't said a thing. If it was that important to them, I'd expect some kind of announcement. Maybe we'll hear something at Comic-Con, but I don't have my hopes up.

There is no reason at all why Lucas can't work on remastering the OOT for Bluray while working on the Clone Wars at the same time. The TPM DVD was worked on at the same time as AOTC was filming. Let's not act like LFL is only capable of doing one thing at a time. All that has to be done is to hire the people necessary to get the job done. This of course assumes they have any intention of ever remastering the OOT in HD for Bluray. I don't believe they do.


lordjedi, I agree about the cause/effect of movies that come out on BluRay which would increase the market. The problem is you have to look at how Spielberg and Lucas handled their movies on DVD, they waited for the market to mature THEN released their movies.

If Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park and SW Trilogy were all available this Christmas on BluRay, the market would expand alot more then it will now with just a bevy of B titles and a few A- titles. The problem is Lucas is going to wait for the market to mature first.

Not that I agree with him, but I can't see him doing anything different then the way he released the SW movies on DVD.
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#316378
Topic
Oliver Stone's "W" with Josh Brolin playing George W. Bush
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316378/action/topic#316378
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Oliver Stone has never been the same since JFK, as he went from a great director to a guy who just puts out historically inaccurate movies.

Platoon is one of the greatest war movies ever put on screen, Wall Street is a compelling movie about the Stock Market, Born on the 4th of July is Tom Cruises best role, and The Doors was really entertaining being a Jim Morrison Fan.

JFK is full of lies and half-truths that a whole young generation of kids believe is true, and the rest of his stuff since then is pretty crappy, as it seems that Stone has an agenda in almost every movie he does now.

Whether you like GW Bush or not, I guarantee this movie will play loosely with the facts, and end up being just some hit job that looks totally political.
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#316357
Topic
State of the Trilogy/ annual SW depression
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316357/action/topic#316357
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I have pretty much written off 2008 for anything OOT related, because this will be the year of Indiana Jones, and definitely a DVD release of Indy IV in the fall, and hopefully a BluRay release of the 4 Indy movies too. If that happens, then we could see a SW BluRay Boxset in the next year or 2, cause the OT came out on DVD in 2004, the year after Indy Boxset came out.

Right now I just don't think it is worth it to get your hopes up towards anything OOT related, cause you have to wait for the BluRay market to mature, and that is our only hope at the OOT being fully remastered. Right now BluRay is in its infancy, so we still have a way to go.

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#316230
Topic
opinions - how the release of the original to theatres was different than the new three films.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316230/action/topic#316230
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sunday256 said:

I'm not saying you, or anyone else for that matter, are wrong or right. I was only speaking to my opinion about the films. What I'm saying with what you quoted of my previous message is that we see things differently as children than we do as adults. I'm not trying to say our age determines whether a movie is "good or bad". Age affects our viewpoint whether in a good or bad light.


We do see things differently as children in some ways, but when I was a kid, I thought Superman I & II were great, and Superman III & IV were terrible. Fast forward 20 years, and now looking at those 4 movies as an adult, I feel the SAME exact way.

Growing up I loved The Original SW more then any other movie, fast forward 30 years, its still my favorite movie.

I will agree that a 5 year old kid isn't going to get offended that Padme 'lost the will to live' the same someone our age will, because there are stuff that goes right over kids heads, for good or bad. Trust me, there was stuff in the OT movies I didn't 'get' until I was older, especially the cave scene.

What alot of people are saying is that alot of people would never like the PT because we were older, more cynical, etc, so that is the reason it is not held in as high esteem as the OT. But I always goto the LOTR movies, why was that so beloved by people are age, when they came out the same time as the PT? There were books that many kids read growing up, so they could have formed in their mind how the movies should be on screen. The bottom line is those movies were well done, and people liked them, simple as that.

As for Academy Awards, I agree they don't hold much value, but my point is that the Original SW had some very good actors in it with Guiness, Cushing, Tarkin, that really gave weight to the movie. Alec Guiness really carries the first hour, and a scene in his hut where he is talking to Luke about Vader and Luke father, it is a powerful BECAUSE of Alec Guiness, and that is the difference of the later movies, including ROTJ, where the acting became cheesy.
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#316226
Topic
opinions - how the release of the original to theatres was different than the new three films.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316226/action/topic#316226
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sunday256 said:

I think we as viewers see the movies in a different perspective, which in turn skews our viewpoint.


Sunday, I defended you a couple of weeks ago when people were taking shots at you cause you were interested in the new Clone Wars Movie/TV Shows, but you are doing exactly what alot of people do as SW fans: Speak for someone elses opinions.

Why I can't I just say that ANH & ESB are the best movies of the 6, and leave it at that? Why does everything have to involve our youth when it comes to evaluating a SW film? Why does everything have to be psychoanalyzed, why can't we all just look at a movie and just evaluate it for what its worth?

Would you think I have a skewed opinion if I said that Terminator 1 was better then Terminator 3? I saw The Original Terminator as a 12 year old kid and loved the movie, and I saw T3 as a 31 year old and thought it was average at best. Am I wrong?

Oh by the way, before you say the acting is crappy in all SW movies, Alec Guiness got nominated for a Best Supporting Actor nod for the Original SW.

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#316165
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opinions - how the release of the original to theatres was different than the new three films.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316165/action/topic#316165
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I saw SW in 1977, so there is 3 groups of SW fans: Star Wars '77 fans, OOT fans, and Saga fans.

To give you alittle perspective on how SW impacted movies in 1977, just think back to the success of Titanic in that winter of 1998 and times that by 100. It was a must see for all age groups, EVERYONE I knew went to see, it was an event. What drove its success was of course the special effects that had never been seen before. The great uplifting story, the humor spread throughout the movie, and the cool characters from Han to Darth Vader. The one thing that will always stick out to me seeing it in the theater was when the Death Star blew up, the crowd went crazy, it was almost like every person in that theater beat the Empire! The crowd clapped after the movie, which is very rare today, and within a week, SW had taken over the movie-biz.

Back then there were no DVD, VCR, you had to see it in the theater, as it did good business ALL summer, not just the 3-4 week window of today, and then it hits DVD by the fall. It took 6 years to come to HBO, so after I had seen it in 1977, and loved the movie to death, I didn't get to fall in love with the movie again until 1983, when I watched it endlessly on HBO.

ESB & ROTJ did great business, but it went from a mass audience to a SW audience, and that is the big difference from the original. The SW audience was still so huge, the movies are still in the top 15, adjusted for inflation. ESB & ROTJ were again an event, as a kid, WE had to see them, as there was no internet, no trailers to see online, just the movies in 1980 & 1983. The movies were so revolutionary back then, nothing even came close, just watch a StarTrek movie or Alien, and the effects don't come even close to a SW movie.

The PT will always be a mixed bag as it all depends who you ask. That is the big difference between the PT & OT, the PT had its fans, it detractors, and then a base of people who just didn't really care after they were finished. The OT had a hardcore base of fans that I know today that STILL love those 3 movies more then anything in the world. The PT is more of an extension of SW, and like any movie series, you have a built in fanbase that will enjoy anything that is put on screen.

I think the PT will be remembered for the hype, the wait for each episode name, the released photos on the internet, the first trailer, and that opening weekend to get juiced for another SW film. That stuff still brings back good memories, but the PT, IMO, was never going to live up to the OT. The OT had the uplifting story, the great characters, the groundbreaking effects, and fanbase that treated it like a religion. The PT will always have its fanbase, more of a niche base, but in fairness to the PT, I go by this old saying, "Those who follow greatness are doomed to fail."

Overall, SW will never die cause it is pop culture. It will never be like it was from 77-83, and I am fortunate I grew up during that magical ride.

I tried to focus most of my post on SW in 1977, but if you want to know more about ESB & ROTJ, I can elaborate. Thanks!
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#316067
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New 'The Clone Wars' movie trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316067/action/topic#316067
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Zombie, I agree there is crap in every era of movies, but the ones you named are sequels, the originals were never cheesy. Of course there are great movies today: LOTR, The Matrix, Batman Begins, but those movies are either PG-13 or Rated R and kids just don't see them in the theater.

The tricky thing from the 70's/early 80's is that they were able to appeal to both markets. A movie like Star Wars worked for kids, but worked for adults/teenagers too, LOTR isn't trilogy I am going to show my 5 year old nephew.

I always pose this question about todays movies: How different would Jaws be if it were made in 2008? It would not be that adult, because they would be afraid of losing a market of young kids, you would have a guy like George Clooney or Brad Pitt be the star instead of a talented actor who isn't the 'sexiest man alive' like Roy Scheider. You would have dumb humor throughout, like bad one liners that hurt the movies seriousness. The director woudn't have the guts to show a little kid get eaten by a shark, not that I enjoy that moment in the movie, but it hits you at that point that the shark is a terror. And finally the movie would have a CG shark that would be transparent in 10 years and look.......like CG.

Jaws would be different in 2008, cause times are different, that's all I am saying. Every era I believe has a certain type of movie that succeeds: The 30's/40's had the sweeping lovestories like Gone With the Wind & Casablanca, The 50's/60's had the great epic movies like Ben Hur, Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, the early 70's were gritty with The French Connection, Serpico, The Godfather, and the late 70's/early 80's had the 'summer blockbuster' type movies like Star Wars, Jaws, Raiders. I just happened to grow up in that time period, but those others ones I named still have great movies from their era.
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#316060
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New 'The Clone Wars' movie trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316060/action/topic#316060
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Johnboy3434 said:

I like how you're judging the entire plot of the movie on one comment made in the trailer. That is an incredibly stupid thing to do. You ever think that the Republic might have something to gain by helping the Hutts? You know, something that might not be in the 2-minutes worth of disjointed scenes we have available? I don't need the Force to sense predetermined bias in your thought patterns.


I am not really directing my comment towards you personaly, but if anyone has any faith that the Clone War movie or TV series will be well written is really going to be letdown.

Whether we like it or not, the PT and these Clone War Movie/TV was just not made for the OT generation of SW fans. If you really sit down and watch the PT, it is just terribly written and some of the plot points don't make a lick of sense, but as a kid, you won't notice that and the movies will be fun. As someone older you look at these movies, and you really have to laugh at how amateur they really are, and you have convince yourself when stupid plot points like Padme 'losing the will to live' and grasp to make any sense of it.

I think young kids will enjoy this new stuff, cause the SW universe is enjoyable in any carnation, but it is written for that audience now, and I have come to the conclusion that Lucas has really moved on from fans like myself who grew up with the OT movies, I am not going to buy the merchandise, the videogames, etc, as there are kids who will fill that cashcow.

In saying this, I believe most movies today are written like this, so I don't squarely put the blame on Lucas, as he is just doing what every other 'summer' blockbuster does: Cater to kids with an attention span of about 3 seconds, and if something doesn't make sense, wow them with CGI and action so they don't really care. Character development? Good Story? Who cares as long as it looks cool on screen!

I came from a generation of movies like Star Wars, Superman, Back to the Future, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and ET, those were the summer blockbusters from my time, and sure as kids we all enjoyed them and fell in love with them, but they were all written for an adult audience that kids could enjoy, sadly SW and most of the crap out there that comes out in the summer turn out to be the opposite.
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#315845
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New 'The Clone Wars' movie trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315845/action/topic#315845
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Baronlando said:

If Lucas doesn't do it himself, some time in the next 1-2 years,somebody will have made a perfectly good bootleg of the original or original-ish version, so there will be no need to watch the special editions. (if I had the skill and equipment, I'd do a mini version of something like the X0 project and just clean up the 10 or 20 most important "lost shots" enough so they could intercut reasonably well with the 2004 dvd. then I'd sync it up with the 2006 dvd soundmix and move on with my life!)


I wish I knew how to do this, but I will be honest if someone could just re-edit the Han Shooting first scene and the ROTJ Ending with the Shaw Ghost with the 2004 DVD editions, I would be satisfied. Those are the only scenes I truly hate, as the others I could live with.
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#315825
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New 'The Clone Wars' movie trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315825/action/topic#315825
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sunday256 said:

Several posters in this thread have lumped OOT fans (members of this board in particular) together in saying this will be (essentially) crap, or is crap. You know what? Maybe it will be, but lets remember..Lucas made these for kids back in 77. He's making them for kids in 2008. If you don't like it, that's fine. You don't have to watch it. If you've got kids, either show it to them or don't.

I'll be watching it personally, whether it's crap or not because I love all of the Star Wars movies. I enjoy them all. It's cool if you guys don't. I just hope some of you will be more respectful of fans that frequent these forums that have a middle of the road attitude towards the rest of the non-OOT SW universe. I suppose I can't ask for anything more than that. Just, please, don't lump us all together. Take more responsibility for your own opinions and not of others. I'm not trying to be arguementive...well..ok...maybe I am. ;) But I'm trying not to be rude or judgemental about others opinions. I would like to be respectful and constructive. and hopefully, you guys can see that.


I agree Sunday that anyone who demeans someone for liking anything that is SW related has to understand that everyone has different tastes.

But I will have to respectfully disagree with you about SW always being made for kids, it wasn't made for kids, it was targeted towards teenagers back in 1977. I also saw SW in '77, so I understand the cultural phenomenon it was that year.

If you remember SW was marketed at Comic-con, and that group is not a bunch of 8 year old kids, they are teenagers, or highschoolers, and if you watch SW & ESB, that is what those movies are marketed too. But the great thing about those movies, is that kids like us back in 1977 & 1980 could still enjoy the movies, even though some of the stuff went right over our heads.

ROTJ is where Lucas started marketing the movies towards kids, because essentially ESB was too dark for kids my age, I was 8 in 1980. And when ESB did not make as much as SW at the box office, and Lucas realized he had a gold mine with merchandising, he didn't want SW to be what essentially movies series like The Terminator and the The Matrix became: PG-13 movies that were made for teenagers and adults that kids DID NOT see at the theater.

Sunday, I loved ROTJ back in '83, and thought it was 10 times better then ESB, and now 20 years later, I think the opposite. And because of people like me, SW changed to be a bunch of movie geared towards teenagers/adults that kids can enjoy, to movies geared toward kids that teenagers/adults can enjoy.

Sunday, you have to admit there is a huge difference in tone between SW/ESB and the other 4 movies that came out after? And this Clone War series will be more like the latter 4 movies. Just watch the cave scene again in ESB, there hasn't been anything in a SW movie that resembles that scene in terms of foreshadowing and letting the viewer figure the scene out for themselves, as everything is essentially spoonfed to the viewer after ESB. You go from Yoda in ESB, "Remember you failure at the cave." where the viewer has to figure out what the hell just happened to Luke when he supposedly met Vader to Anakin in ROTS, "My powers have doubled since we last met Count!" To telling the viewer the exact amount of powers he has gained since the last movie!

Sunday, I love the OT, and I can enjoy the PT cause it is still SW, but I am not going to lie and say there isn't a different tone from ROTJ on in the series. And that is because it wasn't always marketed to kids.
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#315822
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New 'The Clone Wars' movie trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315822/action/topic#315822
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sunday256 said:

I wish some of you would stop assuming everyone on this board feels the same about the prequels and the EU. I'm looking forward to the new animated movie and the series. FYI, born in 1969 and saw SW in the theater back in '77, as well as every subsequent movie since. So please don't assume you know what everyone here enjoys.


Sunday, I don't think anyone here is speaking for the all the fans, we are just expressing how we feel about this new SW project. But what you are seeing is loads of fans like myself who were lining up for the PT movies, who are not interested in this new SW project, and that is a big deal.

There is apathy among many SW fans, and why shouldn't there be? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. As I have said, I don't begrudge anyone for being interested, or eventually enjoying it, and I really hope you do get enjoyment out of this new series.

But you have to understand, I like many people here, are as diehard as it comes when it comes to SW, so this is Lucas's audience, not some general moviegoer who goes to the movies on a Saturday night, and decides to this Clone Wars series. This stuff, like the PT, is made for the fans, and in all honesty, I am really not interested in watching shows about saving Jabbas son.

Although, if they did a show about Pizza the Hutt from Spaceballs, then I may tune in!
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#315813
Topic
New 'The Clone Wars' movie trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315813/action/topic#315813
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Johnboy3434 said:

Wow. The polarization between the reaction here and the TFN boards is striking. Over there, they're saying their hope in the series is renewed and this will be better than the PT. Here, everyone says it's despicable and will be the worst thing since Plan 9. Does one group have unrealistic expectations and predetermined bias, or does the other simply have pitifully low standards and rabid fanboyism? Only time will tell, I suppose. Until then, I'm looking forward to it.


It not about being extreme, as I don't think it will be great nor do I think it will suck, it is simply a story that has already been told, and I honestly just dont' care about what happened before Episode IV anymore.

I mean Lucas had 3 movies to tell this story, and now we are getting Episode 2.1, or Episode 2.5, or whatever you want to call it. The problem with this story, WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENS! The allure of the Prequels was how Darth Vader came to be, and everything we already knew of everyone's fate, except Padme losing the will to live!

I don't begrudge anyone for anticipating the 'Clone Wars' movie/TV series, but at some point, this story gets real boring simply cause there is just no mystery. I have said it somewhere in an earlier post, if Lucas did 7,8,9, whether it be a live-action movie or cartoon, I would atleast be curious to see how it came out on screen, because the storyline is endless, how does Lukes kids turn out? How does Han & Leia's kids turn out? Who would be the new Villain? What happens to the republic/empire after Vader/Emperor are dead? I would actually go into the theater NOT knowing what is going to happen. With this ridiculous storyline, I know Anakin's Padwan dies somewhere along the storyline cause he doesn't have one at the beginning of Episode III!

Enjoy this new series, but I guarantee ObiWan, Mace, Anakin, Padme, and Yoda all live at the end! Sorry, I shouldn't have spilled the beans!

As for TFN, I don't listen to their opinions, because they are people that just blindly defend Lucas regardless of what they think of the movies. There is one poster, Cryogenic, who espouses how great Lucas is in every post, and how shakespearean the PT is on the Saga board, yet he PM'd me once that he finally got around to buying TPM DVD and didn't realize how much it sucked. But he only defends Lucas on that board because he is sick of bashers. Trust me, Lucas could have Anakin taking a shit during the Clone Wars, and those people will like it!
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#315805
Topic
New 'The Clone Wars' movie trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315805/action/topic#315805
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George Lucas after seeing the final cut of the Clone Wars movie: "Everything is going as planned. No human actors, 100% CGI!!!!!!"


I have to honestly say guys that I am not mad at Lucas for this Clone War series, as I love the fact that he fiddling with the PT storyline now, and it is ironic that he is doing to the PT fans what he has done to us for 10 years. Don't get mad guys, cause this stuff won't have any effect on the OOT, just enjoy it as Lucas screws with all the continuity of the PT movies.

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#315392
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315392/action/topic#315392
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Doctor M said:

What I really don't get is why GL didn't go for a series that took place after the OT.
It would be far more interesting.
As we've seen from books and computer games there's a lot of ways to go from there... and telling that story is something he had always planned on.


Be happy we don't have to see Han, Luke, and Leia in some lame cartoon, that will further diminish their characters. I am all for this Clone War cartoon, it screws with the continuity of the PT, now that Anakin has an apprentice, it makes the series more juvenile cause it looks like it is really catering to kids now, so now all the PT/Saga fans who have seen what we have gone through for 10 years, are now seeing it happen to their beloved movies.

I am all for not screwing up the OOT anymore, so let Lucas keep scewing up the PT, maybe even making Special Edition and start updating those movies, and then we will someday see:

www.originalprequeltrilogy.com

"I just wish George would put out the original version of the PT on BluRay without all those stupid updates and deleted scenes......."

Welcome to the world of SW, a series of movies that are beloved by many, but nobody can watch and enjoy them anymore, cause they have had more facelifts then Joan Rivers!
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#315254
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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(OOT Prosecutor who finally gets George Lucas on the stand):

OOT Prosecutor: Did you change the canon again in the SW universe?

Lucas: I did my job, and I do my best when it comes to continuity.

OOT Prosecutor: I want answers!

Lucas: You want answers?

OOT Prosecutor: I want the truth!

Lucas: You cant handle the truth! Son, I never had any plan from day one of SW universe, and I am making this up as I go along! You use words like continuity, original original trilogy, and han shoots first, I use them as a punchline now! I have not the time or the inclination to worry about what people think about my movies, cause I don't really care how they end up as long as I make my money!

OOT Prosecutor: Do you admit to being a bad writer, a bad director, and a ruin the Prequel Trilogy?

Lucas: Your god damn right I do!

OOT Prosecutor: Judge, this man has rights, I appease the court to take him into custody, and put someone else in charge of Lucasfilm and wipe out anything that has happened in the Star Wars universe since 1997.
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#314850
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Spike TV ROTJ Summary
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The problem with the way Lucas told the PT, is that he wrote some parts with the OT viewer in mind, and other parts with the 1-6 newer viewer in mind, and that is why it is so uneven. Whatever way Lucas chose, that would be fine, but he actually sprinkled various scenes that appeal to the old and new viewer.

You have the Sidious/Palpatine identity, and we can debate whether it is effective or not, but it is made for the 1-6 viewer. Then you have the last 15 minutes of ROTS, once Anakin gets slashed by Obiwan which is clearly made for the 4-6,1-3 viewer, as even Lucas states it in the ROTS commentary, "There is alot of these scenes I didnt' need to put in here at the end, but I knew that the older SW fans wanted to see this stuff, but I didn't need to put it in.

Another example is you have QuiGon use the jedimind trick in the first 10 minutes to Boss Nass, which would go right over the head of a 1-6, cause Alec Guiness doesn't explain it til the beginning of Episode IV to Luke. You have Yoda just appear in Episode I as the council head, but to a new viewer, what does that mean, as to his first appearance in Episode V, where he totally plays Luke and the audience as THE Jedi master. Another example of screwed viewing is Yoda dropping his cane in Episode III when Order 66 happens, but again that isn't explained til Episode IV when Guinness talks to Luke about HOW he feels when Alderran is blown up. So what has happened is you have all these introductions to plot points in the back half of the story now! Let me know how many movies, books, TV shows you have ever seen where everything is explained or recapped halfway through the story!
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#314677
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Will your interest in the Star Wars universe be affected...
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I will actually enjoy SW more if the OOT is released, fully remasted in BluRay in the near future.

The OOT is canon to me, as they are the only SW-material that I truly love, and the rest of the stuff: PT, EU cartoons, EU books, etc is just guilty pleasure stuff that picks my interest, mainly because I am a such a SW nut.

If I know I can pop in ROTJ on DVD on my 51" HDTV and fully enjoy it in great quality and see Shaw at the end of the movie, then nothing will bother me anymore that Lucas says or does, because what makes me happy is there for me to enjoy, and the rest is just stuff I can choose to watch or not.
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#314549
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Indiana Jones IV
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Number20 said:


I sort of hate to admit it, but Lucas has a point here. When Episode I came out, everyone's expectations of it was so high, no movie ever made could of fulfilled it. Lucas tried then to bring expecations down to a realistic level, but it never worked. So I think he's trying to prevent fanboys, etc from going into the movie expecting the greatest film ever made.


Then why didn't Lucas ever talk like this during the 80's when a slew of SW & Indy sequels were coming out? I never heard Lucas once say when ESB, ROTJ, Temple of Doom, or Last Crusade come out, "Don't get too hyped for this movie, you will be in for a big letdown!"

We all know that sequels never equal the original, except for that rare instance like ESB or Godfather II, but this whole article tells me that Lucas is just going through the motions anymore, and if the fans aren't happy with this movie, it is the fans fault, not his as Lucas probably feels.

Sorry, but it wasn't my fault that the PT didn't turn out like it did, it was George's fault, just like wasn't my fault that the OT turned out so good, it was George's success. Lucas want's it both ways, "Don't shoot me if it sucks, but give me all the glory if it's great."