CO

Wouldn't be funny if Lucas decide to hold off on the BluRay Saga Boxset next year, and decide to only release the movies on BluRay in 3-D in 2017 after the 6 movies are finished theatrically?

Lucas would say in 2017, "Sorry you fell in love with half-completed SW movies from 1977-2005, as these are the real versions now.  If you want the OOT, SE, PT in 2-D, they're availabe on VHS or DVD.  Sorry bitches!!!"

I can't wait to see the first ad on TV promoting the The Phantom Menace in 3-D:

"In theaters this summer the ultimate Star Wars experience in 3-D, Episode I:  The Phantom Menace!   All of the characters are there:  Padme the monotone queen, a young Ben Kenobi who gets little screentime, QuiGonJin who is happy now he was killed so he didn't have to talk in front a green screen for Episode II, a naked C-3PO with his parts showing, the hilareous Jar Jar Binks who will have you running for the exit, and of course Darth Vader as a little boy who is so annoying you cant wait to see him as a teenager in Episode II!  Come back and remember where you were in 1999, this time it will be in 3-D!"

Wow, I can honestly say that this will be another SW release by Lucas that I won't be apart of.  If you would have told me this about 10-15 years ago that I wouldn't give a shit about anything SW-related, I would have said you're crazy.

Since the GOUT, that is when I had enough of Lucas as that is really when I changed as a SW fan and realized you vote with your wallet:

-Did not see the Clone Wars Movie

-Have not watched a single episode of the Clone Wars TV show

-Will not be buying the SW BluRay boxset of the SE (Shitty Editions) and the PT (Pathetic Editions.)

-Will not be seeing any of the SW movies in 3-D, even the OT movies.

No. 

kenkraly2007 said:

 I realy don't understand the bashing of GL anyway.

 Maybe that I have had a DVD Player since 1998, and I still can't watch my three favorite movies of all-time in good DVD quality!

Maybe because I have a Bluray player and those same movie versions will not be in the new boxset.

Plus the fact that T2, ET, Lord of the Rings, Aliens, Bladerunner, Close Encounters all have both versions on DVD and BluRay.

Understand now why people bash him?

The most frustrating aspect of the PT is there are some really good moments in there, but are offset by awful moments that take you out of the movie and make it so uneven.

The good:

TPM: 
-Darth Maul igniting the duel lightsaber.  I always liked the QuiGon/Kenobi/Darth Maul duel.

AOTC:
-Obiwan looking over the clone factory as the Empire music gets louder and louder and he is actually witnessing the birth of the Empire.

-Count Dooku, always been a fan of Christopher Lee.  I thought a good scene when  he tells Obiwan about the Sith.  But freaking Lucas never followed up on this plot point!!!!

-The ending montage of AOTC is pretty good with Anakin taking Padme with his bionic hand, Palpatine looking over his new grand army with the great John Williams score in the backround.

ROTS:
-The opening shot of Anakin/Obiwan flying into this huge space battle is a cool start, and then Lucas ruins it with those lame buzz droids voices.

-John Williams eerie music when Anakin and Padme are looking across Coruscant at each other as Mace & Co. go to arrest Palpatine.

-The Emperor throwing Senate Pods at Yoda, as that fight was much better then the duel on Mustafar.

-Jar Jar

-Padme/Anakin romance

-Anakin's lame turn to the darkside

-Padme losing the will to live

hairy_hen said:

Is it wrong of me to be annoyed when an articulate post gets swallowed up amidst inane feuding?  Is it unreasonable to expect to be able to engage in any sort of intelligent discussion?

Oh wait, this is the internet, sorry.

:p

 I'm just having fun with Francis (aka Sunday256), as I couldn't help it after he called me out on the schoolyard today ;)

I'll stop derailing this thread.  I apologize :)

TV's Frink said:

Ok, but in this context...

sunday256 said:

Don't just assume everyone reading this board agrees that the prequels are shit and you have the right to just say whatever the hell you want without rebuttle.

...if CO takes the thing in the buttle, pours it out, and then puts it into a different buttle...he can say whatever he wants?

Damn, I gotta find me one of these buttles.

 I found the buttle!

OK, Sunday256, you're a Prequel Defending moron!

;)

sunday256 said:

 

I could care less what people are saying or not saying over at sw.com. I didn't read it. But I did read your blanket flame against all prequel defenders. I'm old enough to have seen SW in the theater. And my opinion I could come up with enough crap to say what's wrong with every one of Lucas' Star Wars films. They all have things about them in which I think could be improved upon, but the point is that I don't sit and nitpick every damn thing. Some people find ways to enjoy the films. I'm one of them. So go ahead and lump us all of us fuckers together. But don't expect everyone to take your comments up the ass. What am I getting at? Don't just assume everyone reading this board agrees that the prequels are shit and you have the right to just say whatever the hell you want without rebuttle.

Francis my ass. Winger for the win.

Listen Francis, you sound like a typical PT fan, bring down the OT in the process to lower the standards of all the movies.  I heard that argument before.

The problem is people like you enjoy mediocrity, and that is why Lucas keeps peddling average shit your way for the last 13 years.  Sorry, but I don't think Star Wars and Empire need a damn thing improved on, thats why I love those films, cause they're pretty damn good. 

If you like the PT, god bless you, but don't give me that shit that the OT had the same problems the PT did, because if it did, it would have never been as popular, and the Prequels, or even Empire or Jedi wouldn't exist. 

Go enjoy your 6 film saga of mediocrity Francis!

sunday256 said:

CO said:

I like this guy on the panle named Hodges who says that the Prequels were all laid out in 1976, so that should debunk all the PT haters that Lucas made this up as he went along.

Hey genius, he started making this shit up in 1980!!!!  Uh, Lucas gets a hard-on for incest because he had Leia kiss her brother!  Unless he considers dying when I was very young the same as dying at childbirth.  Unless he would have Uncle Owen forget he owned C3PO for 10 years when Episode IV rolls around as he is buying droids from the Jawas.

Oh yeah, and that one detail that Lucas calls the Saga now 'The Tragedy of Darth Vader,' yet the novel of Star Wars in 1977 is called, "Star Wars and the Adventures of Luke Skywalker."

Its a shame these fucking morons have to sit side by side with us as Star Wars fans.  I swear this shows me that PT defenders are the biggest fucking idiots!

 Fuck you man. Just because I love the OOT, doesn't mean I have to stand here and take your shit for enjoying the prequels.

 Lighten up Francis ;)

If you agree with this guy about how Lucas laid everything out for the PT back in 1976 (which is a blatant lie), then you are a moron too.  Again, if you enjoy the PT, thats cool with me, but I get annoyed with the PT fans who shovel this shit of revisionism about the SW movies these days. 

none said:

CO wrote:

about 1990, and I remember the OOT being showed on Scifi channel on Presidents Weekend

Here's a blurb from the July 17, 1993 airing which was hosted by Carrie Fisher:

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-07-17/entertainment/ca-13956_1_star-wars

Do you remember if Sci-Fi aired it multiple years? 

 

 I do remember they would show marathons sort of like Spike TV does now, mostly over Holiday Weekends.   I do remember watching a SW marathon sometime in the mid-90's on Christmas Weekend, it was still the originals, so it had to be before 1997.

Sevb32 said:

I don't get why we can't all get along and accept people have differing opinions without cutting them down and judging them or their motives. It's all OPINION anyway not fact. Crazy that some wish physical violence on people who disagree on movies with them. Geez.

 Nobody ever wishes anyone physical violence, as you have to take the internet with a grain of salt ;)

I guarantee you if the OOT were released on DVD in the same quality as the SE in 2004, and then there was a release of the OOT on BluRay next year,  none of us here would even give a crap about PT fans.

First, this site wouldn't exist, because the only reason we are here is because Lucas wont release them, so ironically he created the OOT fanbase!

The reason fans like me have resentment on the PT and its fans, is because THEIR the reason we are in the situation we are right now.  Back in 1980's, even if you were just a Star Wars '77 fan, and didn't like Empire and Jedi, Lucas didn't change the movie to jive with the sequels. (Other then putting in Episode IV: A New Hope).  But he didn't go a redo the conversation between Obiwan and Luke talking about his father that would jive better with the revelation in Empire.

The bottom line is Original Star Wars didn't resent Star Wars Trilogy fans, because essentially we could watch the movie, or movies we loved in their original form.  But now because of these moron PT fans, the only way to watch the OOT is in shitty laserdisk quality, which makes it my worst quality DVD in my collection!!!!!

zombie84 said:

The early 1990s, as far as my study shows.

www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/originaltrilogyreception2.html

Th signs were starting to show by the late 80s but only in some quarters, but really it is the early 1990s that this becomes widespread, so that by the mid and late 90s it has become a sort of consensus.

 As a kid who grew up with the OT from 77-83, you either loved or hated ESB back in 1980 for many reasons.

I loved SW in '77 and didn't really like ESB in '80:

-darker tone:  Too much for an 8 year old like myself at the time.

-Good guys losing:  at that age, I didn't want my beloved heroes getting their ass kicked for 2 hours!

-Yoda scenes:  Wow, I thought they were slow and boring at that time

-No ending:  You have to remember in 1980, alot of fans felt sort of cheated because there was no ending.

After 1983, I kinda got out of Star Wars, and probably didn't watch the Trilogy that much in the late 80's.

Fast forward to about 1990, and I remember the OOT being showed on Scifi channel on Presidents Weekend as we were off from school for 4 days.  I am now in Highschool and I remember to this day after watching ESB being totally blown away, and realizing how fucking good it was.  All of the stuff I complained about in 1980 as a kid, were now a positive in 1988.

I still love Star Wars more because you can watch it as a standalone movie and its the only movie you can watch without the context of Lucas's saga.  But I would put SW & ESB in my top 10 favorite movies of alltime.

none said:

 The problem is you're dealing with opinions and feelings...

 None, I want you to know I am not attacking you personally, but I think these PT fans are giving us 'spin' as Bill O'Reilly calls it.

I am not saying these guys don't enjoy the PT, but what I believe happened is that the PT crowd who enjoyed it dug in towards ANYONE who bashed the movie after Episode I.  And once Episode II was bashed the same way, the lines were drawn for a fandom fight.

The PT got crushed by critics, but also by fans, so I believe they feel it is their duty now to defend Lucas on anything he does:  SE changes, quality of the PT, etc.

That is why you hear these stupid arguments from their side to justify the movies.  The reason I feel this way is when I was a member of TFN I used to be-friend many PT gushers and talk to them off the record in private messages.  They would gush, gush and gush all day and when I would get them off the record they would readily admit the PT wasn't as good as the OT.  There was a guy Cryogenic who would gush about the deepness of the PT, yet when I got him off the record, he didn't even own them on DVD!!! And admitted to me that the TPM was pretty bad when he watched it again.  But he also admitted he was sick of the bashers and just felt he had to defend Lucas.

I'm sorry, I don't buy their true love for the movies, I think it is just a true devotion to George Lucas.  There is  no one i know who goes around saying Rocky V is better then Rocky I or Jaws  3-D is better then Jaws, but you hear idiots on TFN say that TPM is better then The Original Star Wars????  Sorry, I don't buy it.

 

Filoni: I actually really like the scene where [Lucas] put Hayden [Christensen] in at the end of Return of the Jedi. I heard that was controversal, but I liked it, it really tied it all together for me. It really made me go, wow, there's that boy, and he suffered through all of that. I thought it brought great closure... it was like hearing Vader say Padmé's name at the end of Revenge of the Sith. That blew my mind...Remember when we were kids, there was a big debate as to whether there was even a person in there.

 

 You know if this guy was a teenager saying this, I would atleast be hopeful he could grow out of this when he is older and understands the movies better.  Heck I thought Jedi was better then Empire when I was a kid.

But the fact that this guy is my age, and talking like that really scares me about this fanbase anymore!

none said:

Had dinner with two of the panelists, both sides need to realize the difference between a concrete point, and emotional argument.  No one can prove what the other side likes.  By showing faults in their logic and statements you won't win the debate (since there's no conclusion) but you'll have the higher ground.  Opss PT reference!  Many Bothan's died to get you this information.

Amanaman Rulez+++++

Eitherway, most people involved in this debate agree that all the versions of these movies should be saved.

 None,

The problem is that PT fans constantly psychoanalyze why we don't like the movies, and if you listen to their arguments, they are all bullshit, or excuses why they think the PT is good.

I have never tried to convince someone that the PT is bad, but I will argue with them if they say stupid shit like 'Lucas had it all planned out in 1976', or that 'Star Wars was called Episode IV in 1977 but Fox wouldn't let him put it in.'  Those are just lies, and if listen to those panelists statements, alot of their comments are just plain lies and spin to justify why the PT is better received by the public.

Honestly, they are like political consultants who go on Meet the Press and they will say anything to defend their political party no matter what.  Atleast the fans of the OT will readily admit that Jedi is not as great as SW & Empire if we feel that way, and we don't just lie so we can convince someone its as great as its predecessors. 

I have never heard a PT defender ever say ANYTHING bad about the movies, never say anything bad about a SE change, and I disagree with you that many enjoy that Lucas won't put out the OOT on BluRay.

I'm sorry but these a-holes are a big reason that we are not seeing the OOT on Bluray, because they except ANYTHING Lucas does to the movies, and Lucas has enough of them as a fanbase to keep making money.

avoidz said:

 

Truth! Lucas has been reconning his own story for years, and yet those morons still eat every scrap of bullshit that comes out of LFL.

 Exactly.  Listen, I don't mind if anyone enjoys the PT because to each their own.  But I do mind the PT defenders who make up shit to justify the movies, because that is insulting.

And another thing that annoys me is that all of those PT defenders continue to take shots at the Original Star Wars with their snide comments.  "It takes too long to get going."  or "The Effects are so ancient, thank god Lucas updated it." 

If you notice they constantly scold OT fans for not looking the movies as 6 movie 'saga' yet every chance they get they talk about how much the PT is better, especially better then that movie called 'A New Hope."

Maybe its' not a saga to them either........  Kind of ironic?

I like this guy on the panle named Hodges who says that the Prequels were all laid out in 1976, so that should debunk all the PT haters that Lucas made this up as he went along.

Hey genius, he started making this shit up in 1980!!!!  Uh, Lucas gets a hard-on for incest because he had Leia kiss her brother!  Unless he considers dying when I was very young the same as dying at childbirth.  Unless he would have Uncle Owen forget he owned C3PO for 10 years when Episode IV rolls around as he is buying droids from the Jawas.

Oh yeah, and that one detail that Lucas calls the Saga now 'The Tragedy of Darth Vader,' yet the novel of Star Wars in 1977 is called, "Star Wars and the Adventures of Luke Skywalker."

Its a shame these fucking morons have to sit side by side with us as Star Wars fans.  I swear this shows me that PT defenders are the biggest fucking idiots!

I believe these SW fans at SW.com are lying their asses off, and this is all 'spin' to make the PT seem relevant.  If you ask a majority of OT fans, MOST of us readily admit Jedi is the worst of the 3 and understand its shortcomings, so we don't do spin like the PT fans do. 

If you ask most Rocky fans, they are not going to defend Rocky V, and won't say Rocky IV is as a great as The Original Rocky either.  Same goes with most movie series as you never hear, "Alien Ressurection is just as great as Aliens, and the only reason fans still love Aliens is because they were younger and looking it the movie in that perspective. 

Only in SW-ville do you keep hearing these stupid arguments that the only reason fans like us love the OT is becaus were kids, and there is no way we can fairly evaluate the PT because we're adults now.

I have still yet to meet a person in the real world who actually thinks the PT is great or better then the OT, even my friends kids and my nephews, so I believe these Star Wars dorks on SW.com are lying their asses off!

I saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977, but I vividly remember watching The Holiday Special over my aunts house when I was 6 years old in 1978, and it was laughable even then!  It was cheesy, lame, and I think we turned it off as I really can't remember how it ended.  Just think if that were ESB, Star Wars would have ended in 1980!

I still believe that every Star Wars fan should watch it once, because it is so bad, it's great to comment about it!

In defense of Anchorhead, I don't believe he ever posted on TFN.  I know that cause he used to ask many of us what was it like over there?  And we used to respond 10% bashers, 90% gushers. 

I haven't posted there since I was permabanned around the GOUT release, so I would be interested if idiots like Gomertonic still post there. 

Easterhay said:

You misunderstand.  I am tired of the negativity is what I said.  Did I say "your" negativity?  No. 

The Negativity???  Dude, the site is OT.com, and Lucas just announced the SW movies are coming to BluRay and it doesn't include the OOT versions.

Should we be all happy and cheering????

Ok guys, time to change our tune around here:

I love Lucas, even though versions of SW I love don't exist in his mind anymore, and in the process has re-shifted the OT story which was about Luke to now the story of Anakin Skywalker!!!  We get to see in the new versions of the OT, Greedo shooting first, Hayden being digitally inserted into the force ghost scene at the end of Jedi, a great musical number called Jedi Rocks!  And if you look at the end of Jedi, you can see Jar Jar say, 'Weesa free!"

Thanks George!!!

Easterhay said:

 

 Sorry, but you say you've had enough of George's b/s?  I've had enough of the endless negativity.  I'm sure you think that his pledge to plough all that money into the education system is b/s too.

 

Look, he said it; it's been proven (and if you won't take it from George, I'm sure you'll take it from Kersh) so, whilst some of your gripes are well-founded I'm sure, I think you need to get a little perspective on things :)

 

I respect your passion as a fan and I'm sure it's that that fuels the bile and vitriol.  So, I'm not taking issue with you personally, just some of the things you said in your post.

 Oh please stop your 'I'm tired of you're negativity' when this is the first time I have actually addressed you in a post on this website.

As Zombie said, he probably 'consulted' some psych friend or even somebody in that field, but as always in SW-lore, it is exaggerated like they did research and conducted field studies.

There is no denying that Lucas lies constantly about the SW movies more then any director about their own series.  And as a fan who was there in 1977, I see Lucas re-writing SW history with this "Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker' bullshit. 

I will give you an example of someone humble about their directorial success.  Zemeckis talks on Back to the Future commentary about how they never planned any sequels in 1985, and they sort of made it up as they went along.  He could have done a Lucas and just said it was all planned from the beginning, but the guy doesn't rewrite Back to the Future history.

The bottom line is that I could make a list of Lucas lies in the past 13 years, and that is why I really don't take any value as to what he says NOW.  You can call me angry, and that is fine with me, but I am just stating the facts, something that has been lost in the SW-world in the past 13 years.

I think it is a hyped up urban legend that Lucas consulted a Child Psychiatrist for the ESB revelation.  I know he said it on the ESB '04 Commmentary, but he also said on those same commentaries that the story was always about the Tragedy of Darth Vader, which we all know that is utter bullshit.  Another bullshit statement by Lucas is that he fought FOX to put Episode IV in the original crawl in 1977, yet his first draft of ESB documented from 'The Annotated Screenplays' is called Star Wars:  Episode II.  It wasn't called Episode V til the third draft!

My point is that there are alot of exaggerated myths in Star Wars lore after all these years, as Lucas enjoys revisionism towards the Star Wars movies.  I'm sure it was discussed how kids would react to Darth Vader's revelation, but I don't buy that Lucas went out of his way to consult a professional opinion on this.

Sorry, but I have heard too many lies and exaggerations throughout the years from Lucas to believe alot of his nonsense these days.