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Damn, that was quick just a few more. Looking forward to it 😃

i do also like your narrative and the episode title THE POLITICS OF WAR.
the political side always felt a little drowned in TCW through the structuring of this series (except the last two seasons), in my opinion.

Well thought, well written eddie

someone did a nice short scene for the ending of GoT: https://twitter.com/ArtofASOIAF/status/1261038706481340418

I think it’s brillant, but raises the question how to show cersei is killed if even possible with vfx.

Anjohan said:

Film I and Film II are now in the works, with the original GoT music, as promised.

Film I and Film II will also have some narrative changes, now that Ive both evolved as an editor but also know the full story narrative of the series.

Film I soon to be (re-)released.

You’re golden Anjohan! Thank you. Excited to see narrative changes.

Let me check again till the weekend, but yes you could be right.

Always when music/effect sounds and dialogue are in the same scene.

What´s the status of your project krausfadr? Do you intend to wait till 4k77 v2.0 is finished or are you still using othedees v2.3?

Than we represent two different opinions^^
I remember one thing: eventually i would raise the center channel/dialogue a bit in volume, maybe 2/3+ db. I found myself often having trouble to understand it (watched it with an audio setup of 3.1, i know what a waist for an 5.1 ch 😄, but right now i don’t have another setup at hand)

krausfadr said:

thanks! yep that’s what I was busy doing. Did you watch it?
Some of the best parts were based on another fanedit called Man of Tomorrow:

1. the transition from MOS to BVS, great editing and music choices by JobWillins
2. the tornado flashback, again amazing implementation by JobWillins
3. the ending, no one could ever surpass what JobWillins did to end this

Your edit was a blast, despite using the great Man of Tomorrow as base.
I enjoyed it really much. The only thing i would „criticize“:

• disregard the first scene on former krypton and start with clark being on the fisher boat. Everything we see regarding krypton is explained later by clarks kryptonian father. So i think it adds nothing for the first 2 minutes.

from reading your change list, it seems you outdid yourself, again^^ very exciting.

how did i miss this edit of yours? Actually love the drastic rearranging of scenes and new scores.

i think this guy is some genius with his idea and his little clip.
https://twitter.com/ArtofASOIAF/status/1261038706481340418

Wow, truly impressive work. How long did it take you?

EddieDean said:
That said, my huge volume of posted thoughts don’t generate as much discussion as I’d expected, which I think comes down to one of two things: Either people read it and are like ‘yeap, sound enough, carry on’, which is fine by me as it means I’ve generated good trust, or I’m just overwhelming people by massively overdoing it and they’re sitting there wishing I’d just shut up and output content. Which is also mostly fine, though I’d rather not be putting people off with a too-high volume of unnecessary analysis and losing out on having people chime in on the necessary analysis.

I think it’s a little it of both for the majority of people, plus the fact most of us watched the CW (early seasons) well past 3 years time and remembering the bits and pieces to actually give vast input is not possible to challenge you enough, because you’ve watched it again and put such amazing thoughts into it. That’s the most fascinating thing for me, your dedication and work ethic (as said before). Your project and you set the pace for yourself. If that’s means we can’t keep up with everything, thats life^^ I’ll try my best to give constructive nitpicky critiscm, because thats what it is as you - in my opinion - have already hit it where the narrative should go, most of the time.

And maybe the interest in CW is not as big as for fixing the sequels. Just „some“ enthusiast - like us - who enjoy it very much to see something new and unique for a rewatch.

NeverarGreat said:

I’ve cut the cliff scene together in a way that seems ideal, keeping more of the action but only hinting at the cliff which I’ve always found to be over-the-top. Rewatching that scene and the entirety of act 3, I feel like there should be an extra indication of Rey’s darkness. Should I go a subtle Sith eyes route in that dark Force cliff scene?

On another note, in thinking about how to indicate the Resistance knowing about the Starkiller without drawing attention away from the map, I am more and more skeptical that any lines can be added to work. Leia’s words in the interrogation already need to establish the quest for Luke and the importance of the droid, and adding this Starkiller business just seems too much.

This is why I feel like as much as I don’t want to, the information has to go into the crawl. Here’s what it looks like right now:

The New Republic is in
crisis. Luke Skywalker,
last of the legendary Jedi
Knights, has vanished.

In his absence, leaders
from a thousand worlds
have forsaken the fragile
Republic in favor of the
IMPERIAL FIRST ORDER,
which has vowed to return
strength to the galaxy
through the designs of
the once mighty Empire.

Fearing another civil war,
the Senate mobilizes a
covert Resistance to
locate the missing Jedi
and repel the sinister
shadow now spreading
across the stars…

And here’s a possible replacement:

The New Republic is in
crisis. Luke Skywalker,
last of the legendary Jedi
Knights, has vanished.

In his absence, the fragile
Republic has quailed
under threats by the
IMPERIAL FIRST ORDER,
which claims to have
constructed a weapon
greater than any built by
the once-mighty Galactic
Empire.

Fearing a direct conflict,
the Senate mobilizes a
covert Resistance to
locate the missing Jedi
and repel the sinister
shadow now spreading
across the stars…

So here the Republic knows of a vague threat by the First Order but can’t substantiate the claims. Nevertheless, it can’t afford to take any direct action due to this threat so it forms this Resistance to find Luke and tip the scale in its favor.

This crawl also de-emphasizes the agency of the Senate, so that it’s not expected that they would be too active in the story.

i always liked the idea to let rey tap into the dark side of the force. Somebody even did it in his ROS Edit, so that she only could defeated Palpatine with the Force-Ghosts and her dark side.
So i would go for it. Because narrative-wise it would make sense that she dip into it but not willingly, just because she’s angry and in the later movies she’s learning to control herself.

The idea to tell the audience that the resistance knows something about a weapon through the crawl is good, for me. This way you overcome the problem to edit the hell out of the movie scenes, just to make it plausible.

NeverarGreat said:
In terms of progress on Act 3, the major thing is of course the Hosnian Destruction. I decided to use the entire music track this time in order to fit all of the important characters reacting to the destruction, including Rey, Finn, and Kylo:

https://vimeo.com/533003587

Password: fanedit

There are of course audio issues to sort out. The actual destruction scene had to be practically silent due to moving the music around, though I kind of like it.

It may be possible to remove the Resistance officers from around Leia in that final shot, but would that be worth the effort?

i really liked the silence, too. Worth to removing the r. officers? i don’t think so.

EddieDean said:

Valid, but I’m already very tight on space…

then „best“?^^

EddieDean said:

Ah yeah that’s a tricky one.

I’m trying to convey the following concepts:

• The political academy (which teaches kids politics) is for youths - it is a youth political academy
• The youth political academy has some particularly high-achieving students - the youth political academy’s “brightest”
• These are the people Ahsoka is secretly teaching - the “brightest” students at the political academy for youths.

So perhaps I should present it as:

“…for Ahsoka to secretly teach the top students at the political academy for youths.”

aah, now i understand 😃
the new sentence is good, i would change „top“ with „most promising“

Corruption on mandalore:

• can’t make grammatical sense of this sentence: „…for Ahsoka to secretly teach the youth political academy‘s brightest“. do you intend to say that ahsoka is teaching them political education or you refer to the youth to be political?

in case of the first i would arrange the sentence like this: …for ahsoka to secretly teach the youth to be aware of politcal structures and their duty to conquer it when necessary.

for the latter: …for ahsoka to secretly teach the already political youth thorougness before action.
But in context of the episode only the first thought would make sense (teaching political education).

• regarding the audio i’ve found nothing disturbing. listened to the episode via headphones. Also great transition to the end credits. i liked it very much, narrative wise.

EddieDean said:

Ooft, I’ve just realised that with my current structure, all of my season finales relate to the loss of Ahsoka and the topic of letting people go.

1. Cad Bane arc - Anakin says “I can’t lose you, Ahsoka.”
2. Geonosis arc - Anakin and Ahsoka clash with Luminara and Barriss about being ready to lose someone.
3. Onderon arc - Ahsoka learns to let go of Lux (another good reason to focus on him in a single season).
4. Ahsoka’s Fall - well, you know.
5. Siege of Mandalore - well, you know.

It rhymes.

Very neat 😃 keep it that way.

Oh boy, you’re golden and a blessing 😃 Now i’ll wait for the 4k master, i can wait that long.

EddieDean said:

Can I get a quick opinion guys? A friend recommended that I change the way I present the four cuts (Mando, Quality, Continuity, Complete) in my tracker spreadsheet. Can I get some feedback on whether the original INFO tab is clear enough, or if it isn’t, that the new ‘Info2’ tab is any clearer? I want to make it obvious to people that people who want the Mando cut just need the red episodes, but people who want the Quality cut need red + green, etc.

i’m fine with the way it is 😃

congrats mate for your first finished season! great effort and work ethic. such a wonderful project you’ve started

i think the ship looks good, but it appearance is kind of odd.

I don’t mind your opinion, either way is fine. Even though i’m a fan of different „powers“ in sw, as long as the character fit into it. Regarding Talzin i would’ve keep it, but it won’t be missed either.