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- The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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I liked your palp version very much. Nice job. Do you have any further ideas or are you finished with this edit?
I liked your palp version very much. Nice job. Do you have any further ideas or are you finished with this edit?
I think if the visual is too subtle only nerdy forum geeks like us will pick it up. I think it needs to act as clear visual shorthand for “it was broken, now it’s fixed, but imperfectly” and I think the kewlfish version accomplishes that.
+5
Wow, really interesting approach. Would love to see it, if you want to provide a pm.
Is it 720p or 1080p?
Palpatine Message - Resistance Base
Removed Poe’s line “This is how he ends it”
Made extended scene shorterFinalised Concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmHD_6Xrtks&feature=youtu.be
Thoughts?
Why cutting the message in two hearable lines, instead of the whole original message?
About which idea from aydwan regarding Anakin you talking about?
I am always between keep anakin, his last shot - vader mask coming down and breath - and removing him completely as I like the thought of someone who doesn’t know who Vader is to get the surprise at the same time as Luke in the movie.
But then wonderful and chilling scenes like Ashoka vs Vader in rebels would be obsolete.
Very interesting project and I quite like your synopsis.
What is your idea to remove Anakin as Vader?
Regarding cut out Yoda,I don’t think it works. Maybe the puppet is not ideal, but good enough I think. Your point „he is too old to fight“ in the comics or in Clone wars animated I think, there is a explanation: he is using the force to have the ability to fight, making his body more resilient.
Love your visual improvements!
Hal 9000 said:
And so the Palptine speech we have without music isn’t actually McDiarmid? Even so that may be the best bet: use it to recreate idir’s dialogue choices and start the scene with it playing to replace Poe’s opening lines. Idir’s version feels much better than the original dialogue.
I think the link from idir‘s post is the original file and McDiarmid: Here’s the broadcast with no music (with SFX)
https://youtu.be/Fmu08wCZJr0
Oh I agree. Personally I’m leaning more towards IIFaneditor’s concept, except I would change the dialogue so that it goes like this.
“what’s the message?”
-holographic/transmission sound-
“At last the work of generations is complete, the day of victory is at hand, the day of the sith.
Send the fleet to the galaxy…let it burn.
The Final order begins”
“Yes my lord”All that transpired regarding the rise and fall of the repulic is addressed as the work of generations. Same reaction shots, more context to the story. Spy plot is teased. Best of ALL, no half arsed introduction from Poe.
A few birds with one stone, if you ask me.
That is dope.
Absolutely! Removed Palp from the crawl and moved his appearance back so your protagonists and antagonists are both hunting for the waywinders at the same time. It makes WAY more sense this way.
How far back?
There is also guidance in the fanedit org forum and how to acquire them via resilio.
How are you coming along NFBisms? Last workprint was 31th of may. did you changed something since then?
Posted this in Hal’s thread a few days ago but didn’t get much traction - on reflection this probably belongs here anyway…
One of the biggest fourth wall breaking moments of TROS that still really rubs me the wrong way on repeat viewings is the now-infamous “somehow, Palpatine returned” line.
I’ve tried to trim the line to give it a more dramatic punch, without being as clunky and tension-killing as it is in the final cut. Poe now simply says “We’ve decoded the intel from the First Order spy, and it confirms the worst… Palpatine.” Palpatine’s presence (in any form, alive or dead) will always be a terrifying, bone-chilling threat to the Rebels and Resistance - why would they need to speculate on if he’s actually alive or not? Surely even just discovering an old contingency plan would be enough to evoke the same exact reaction?
With the original “somehow” framing, this moment has a predominantly speculative tone. Unfortunately, this speculation swiftly becomes pointless and irrelevant as the moment doesn’t actually lead to anything new being revealed to the audience. With this very minor cut, the “The Emperor is dead” & “Dark Science, Cloning, Secrets only the Sith knew…” etc. lines become independent responses that aren’t necessarily factual to the canon of the film, but are instead just pieces of frantic back-and-forth chatter amongst individual characters. In the final film these lines seemingly only serve to act as heavy exposition to try and (poorly) spell everything out to the audience. This cut hopefully makes this exposition-dump of a scene just that tiny bit less of a, well, dump.
Hopefully this also goes to somewhat preserve a casual viewer’s curiosity regarding Palpatine’s exact means of resurrection, something which in my opinion the theatrical cut otherwise abruptly shoo’s away with the “Somehow” framing. “Has the Emperor truly returned, or is there more to it?” - This is a question and mystery that the audience should have in the back of their mind throughout the majority of the runtime, all the way up to Palps, Ben and Rey’s final confrontation, where the exact nature of his existence and plans all begin to click into place and are fully revealed.
signed.
Movies Remastered said:
That was the point of removing it. I’ve added visions of Exegol in TLJ but I wanted Palp to be a new threat and not manipulating anyone until TROS. I thought it weakened the story on all sides trying to shoehorn Palp into “the shadows”
Ok, then we are on different sites on this one. Certainly palps return in general was a surprise but one of the very few things I liked about TROS is that they gave him some substance being in the shadows, confusing kylo and pulling the strings. Otherwise, like in your case is comes out of nowhere. Did you moved his appearance further back in your edit since the little zoom view? This would work at least for me, but to appear in the first quarter of the movie undermines the new hidden threat from him. In my opinion.
Movies Remastered said:
I cut the line entirely. I felt it undermine Snoke and I now just have Palp saying “I made Snoke” and the next scene you see is Kylo walking past the clones. It flows much better that way and doesn’t crap on the other movies.
Interesting and certainly a good choice. My only concern is that we are missing the impression of kylo being manipulated by palps from the beginning (being haunted by his grandfather in e7 and e8).
Í´ve always been troubled by how the „I have been every voice, you have ever heard, inside your head“ line because it is just so fast. In the trailer they had the perfect pace.
Do someone share my concern and wish to fix it?
Snooker, very nice! Great to have you back!!
Good point poppa. I do like it very much still.
How about this?! I think this feels more Star Warsy!
https://vimeo.com/435943397
pw: fanedit
i would say, it looks perfect.
Film IV, A Roar for Vengeance, is completed.
This was a tricky edit. A very tricky edit. On one hand, the Stark heritage line has gotten very complicated with the death of our two main characters - first Ned Stark, and then Robb Stark. In a cinematic sense, you always need one or more main characters to lead you through the story’s emotions and feel what they feel, by of course having empathy with them and an understanding of what drives that certain character that you root for. Having killed of the two main characters that lead us through the grand picture of the story has left the fourth film in a difficult position. But luckily, I love a challenge - and I am very proud of this fourth entry.
The natural progression for me was to now set up the new puzzle pieces and make it clear very early who are now the new main characters and why. Jon Snow, and Tyrion and Jamie (from their respective representative sides of the story; The Starks and the Lannisters) was undoubtebly the way to go, to maintain a red thread all throughout from Film I and onwards. To suddenly keep focusing on a lot of the different plots and main characters throughout Westeros would of course be enjoyable - as the world is so rich, but in my opinion it would worsen this as a film franchise and undermine the main story and main conflict. Having Tyrion and Jamie - two characters that we now LIKE and empathize with drive the Lannister side of the story, and Jon Snow drive the Stark Side of the story, is in my opinion the way to go to keep the narrative strong, rich but also simple. And a world as rich as Game of Thrones, simple means “followable”.
We also keep a focus on the Arya, Daenerys, Sansa, Bran and Theon side of the story - tho’ in a strong narratively and sustainable way. We have to respect the richness of the world, and the upcoming significance and reward of certain plot points and character moments. Stannis is still very present through dialogue, but he keeps a backseat in this film as well due to the lack of forward momentum and overall importance to the story. His role is much more significant in Film V and VI.
Watched it last night and you did a fantastic job! The musical composition is awesome, Much better then before. Your font choice, great.
Minor thing (me personally):
What do you plan for the end of the fith/sixth film? There are great scenes in season 8 (like theons death, tyrion freeing jamie), could be hard to integrate them if you want the NK to win.
All things ive thought about for a long time, but it still dosent satisfy me.
I might have Dany fly straight to the Red Keep after The Loot Train to settle the Cersei arc BEFORE the battle at winterfell. That way, the night king gets to be the deserved final foe of the story, and we can focus on what really matters.
I will for sure release the last two seasons/edits with two alternate tracks, one with the LOTR score and one with the original GOT, for others to enjoy my alternate ending.
I will come back to this matter when I’ve finished season 6. Then we will have some good discussions.
The idea of daeny flying to the red keep after looting, is a very good idea. Had seen an edit with that approach and it works realy really great, killing cersei as she´s standing at her balcony and looking in agony above kings landing.
Your approach with the alternate tracks is great, there are really great orchester pieces in the last two seasons.
Magnificient! especially orange exegol
ExpandedUniverses said:
It’s an unpopular opinion, but I personally like the ending and think “Mad Queen” Daenerys was heavily hinted at throughout the series. But I know a lot of people dislike the ending, and I know it’s not for everyone.
Me personally, don´t think this is a necessarily bad ending (except bran as king), it is how it´s done (storytelling, plotarmor, pace and of course things like “daeny kind of forgot about the iron fleet”).
Your suggestion could work, but what to do about major side characters like varys or littlefinger? It is tough to integrate them without beeing killed, they would become just background characters.
The night king could be killed by bran, also. @almightycutie did a fairly good approach on this in his “GoT Redeemed” edit by simulating the nk breaks aryas neck and bran pass into her to let the dagger drop and to stab him.
Also removing plotarmor for jamie, sam, brienne. He edited these faces and aryas into the funeral.
Finishing up the changes for the new release. In this edit Rey killed her parents.
I removed the plotline where Rey’s parents sold her to Palpatine because something like that couldn’t possibly be explained well and just left open too many questions.
Now in their confrontation Rey goes ballistic when Ren says, “It was Palpatine. He was looking for you. You remember what you did.” Here’s the clip: https://streamable.com/fecuw8
I like this, only the cut from “you remember what you did” to “nooo” feels kinda fast. Looking forward to your final version.
@krausfadr
your vision scene from rey in the forest, dope! And i like your take on the fight between palps and rey
Ok, I’ve had a lot of people trying to guess what tracks I’m using throughout TROS and Across the Stars keeps coming up.
So, should I use it over Kylo & Rey’s kiss?
It’ll be short but it’ll work if people want me to do it…
A) Yes, that would sound great.
B) No, it’s Anakin & Padme’s song.
I would say no. Not only it is anakin & padme´s song, the kiss scene between reylo is cringe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrmLeX20CY
That some one incorporates this into either ROS or the other 2 sequels as a nice tie for Darth Vader/Anakin (Could just be in his head as there is a great clip of Ghost Anakin with Yoda and Obiwan helping Rey against the Emperor). Also helps add the Emperor feel, by way of vader. Maybe its one of Palpatines professed voices/visions he gave Ben.
Edit- Could do it in Force Awakens since they’re already on that planet, or intro to ROS when Ben is searching for wave finder, before going to Mustafar
I used this in TFA. It’s awesome!!
I’m currently redoing all my edits as I’ve learnt so much this year. Did them in low res and stereo but I’m working in 1080p and 5.1 but I’m thinking of redoing SOLO, TLJ and TFA in 4k. I’ll let you know when I’ve updated them that scene.
great idea. Looking forward to it
Random idea regarding Palpatine:
One gripe I’ve heard people bring up before is Palpatine committing the “Evil Gloating” trope when he tells Rey that if she kills him, his spirit will pass into her.
Palpatine: You want to kill me. That is what I want. Kill me, and my spirit will pass into you, as all the Sith live in me.
This may have been suggested before, but I was thinking this line could be moved to Kylo’s first scene with Palpatine, replacing Palpatine response after one of these two lines:
Kylo: I killed Snoke. I’ll kill you.
or
Kylo: You’ll die first.
I personally think it would fit better to replace Palpatine repeating the “to cheat death” line that doesn’t do anything beyond being a callback. Either way, I think this change would accomplish a few things. First, we get a stronger explanation and understanding of Palpatine’s true nature and means of survival at the beginning of the film rather than the end. Second, it provides a good reason for why Kylo didn’t just immediately kill him. And third, it creates dramatic irony during the climax, because we know what is at stake if Rey kills Palpatine, but she doesn’t. So hopefully the audience would react by thinking, “No no no, Rey, don’t do it he’ll possess you!”
dope