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Wazzles said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

The way I see it, there are two versions of Star Wars worth preserving for history’s sake: the '77/'80/'83 and the '97 editions, the only two that saw their premiers on the big screen. As far as I am concerned, the '04 DVD and '11 Blu-Ray cuts are insignificant from a preservation point of view.

If new Lucasfilm lead by Disney wanted to put out their own edition based on the '04/'11 as some kind of “Definitive Edition,” like the Bladerunner “Final Cut,” why not? It would be better than anything we’ve had since the original releases (they would be bone-headed, for instance, to keep Greedo shooting or Vader’s Noooooo!). If they’re doing a new 4k transfer for such purposes, however, there is no excuse not to release the theatrical version alongside, and from a business perspective, it would be quite stupid to pass up the opportunity for an expensive boxset that would fly off the shelves.

I don’t think they (morally) have the right to tinker with the trilogy. I think that the 2011 should be the final Special Edition, as these were the last ones that George worked on, and are essentially his definitive version. I don’t think we’ll ever see an official release of the 97/04 cuts again, and I doubt we’ll get a new master for the 2011. I think they’ll do a 4K restoration of the OUT and release it in a pack with left over 2011 discs.

I’m just trying to explain this weird-a** video. Perhaps it’s some kind of working cut of the 2011 before they swapped the audio tracks, and a desk jockey at Lucasfilm pulled the clip from an HDD w/out realizing it?

The way I see it, there are two versions of Star Wars worth preserving for history’s sake: the '77/'80/'83 and the '97 editions, the only two that saw their premiers on the big screen. As far as I am concerned, the '04 DVD and '11 Blu-Ray cuts are insignificant from a preservation point of view.

If new Lucasfilm lead by Disney wanted to put out their own edition based on the '04/'11 as some kind of “Definitive Edition,” like the Bladerunner “Final Cut,” why not? It would be better than anything we’ve had since the original releases (they would be bone-headed, for instance, to keep Greedo shooting or Vader’s Noooooo!). If they’re doing a new 4k transfer for such purposes, however, there is no excuse not to release the theatrical version alongside, and from a business perspective, it would be quite stupid to pass up the opportunity for an expensive boxset that would fly off the shelves.

You like the bantha herd in Jedi? I just find it to be an unnecessary aside that ruins the flow of the film. Also, in general, I despise the addition of the animals all over the desert of Tattooine. It ruins the notion that the planet is nothing but a desolate wasteland full of “scum and villainy.”

Though any new release that doesn’t include the OUT would be unacceptable at this point, I would enjoy the opportunity to watch a good quality SE that is watchable (i.e., the current SE minus PT “continuity” changes, changes that alter the plot and suspense (cantina, Jabba in SW), and superfluous cartoon animals everywhere.

That’s definitely the blu ray picture alright. I wonder, why on earth would they pair one release’s picture with another’s sound unless it was some new restoration? Why go through the trouble for only a small online clip?

Now if they release some kind of cut and paste release without the originals as well that would be unacceptable.

One mistake there right away. Star Wars and Empire used the original widescreen version of the 20th Century Fox logo with the tilted ‘0’. It wasn’t until Jedi, when, due Star Wars’ success, they brought back the logo and fanfare full time, that they used the redrawn logo depicted.

The villains certainly make the film. And Robbie Coltrane is phenomenal.

Is it just me, or is the music that begins at the 1:55 mark of the '97 SE trailer the ‘new’ Lucasfilm fanfare heard before the iTunes digital releases of the OT/PT in place of the 20th Century Fox fanfare? Makes me hate it even more.

Was this music ever in any of the movies, or was it written specifically to market the SEs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKMLMLjwp4g

For comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMqSKd_PXAQ

moviefreakedmind said:

I think most people would disagree with my extremely high placement of The World Is Not Enough, which has just always been one of my all time favorites in the franchise.

The World is Not Enough is actually my favorite of the Brosnan films. From Russia With Love is the superior story of all the movies, perhaps because the story is so true to all the intricacies of the novel, but I think I enjoy watching Thunderball more–it’s just fun. Generally not a huge fan of the Moore films–recently rematched the Man With the Golden Gun, first Moore in a while–and remembered why I stopped watching those.

I also don’t understand the criticism Spectre has received. I didn’t find it particularly convoluted, and I enjoyed the references to films past.

moviefreakedmind said:

I occasionally check the Steve Hoffman forums because there are a couple of users who have knowledge about Star Wars related projects. . . . I know it’s perfectly possible that all of these people are misinformed but I think there’s something to all of it. One of the users even cited the RMW project specifically.

I’m starting to agree with you on this. There is just too much out there, some of it with detailed backstories, and many of the claims are consistent with each other. We know for a fact that the Library of Congress made scans at Disney’s request (assuming moviefreakmind is honest). For what other purpose than an OUT reconstruction would a faded, 40-year old print be useful?

Also, when paired with John Landis’s statements, it seems even more reliable. I doubt he is dumb enough to take various comic book blog rumors as reliable, irrefutable information, and he has no reason to lie about this.

Something a bit odd–Lapti Nek wss covered last November. Seems like an odd choice for a cover.

https://m.soundcloud.com/ruemevlana/lapti-nek?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=facebook

What about a Revenge of the Jedi poster?

If you look at the disc art, they all say ‘bonus disc.’ So those are the 2006 non-anamporphic limited edition discs. So they are ‘widescreen’ in that they present the film in its original aspect ratio, but they will show black bars on all four sides on a widescreen TV as they were masted at low-res for 4:3 tubes.

These are based on the Laserdisc masters from the early 90s and are extremely low quality compared to what’s available for the SE on Blu-Ray and even compared to the SE DVD releases.

However, these are also the best quality officially available releases.

Still odd to have what is marketed as the same release on two different formats (by both Amazon and StarWars.com) have radically different content.

Imagine if they announced they were rereleasing remastered versions of the Original Trilogy, and the OUT films were available only on 35mm Technicolor prints or a 5 GB iTunes release, while the SEs got a 50 GB Blu Ray. That would be more or less the equivalent, in principle.

New comment today from a CD purchase confirms the track listing as 1997 SE score.

Here are several oddities related to the new soundtrack releases:

Both the Star Wars press release and the Amazon listing show different track listings for the CD and Vinyl versions–despite that they’re listed on Amazon as different formats for the same release and both have the same artwork. The iTunes version has the Vinyl’s track listing.

It seems the Vinyl has the tracks from the original releases, while the CD versions of the OT soundtracks look like reissues of the 1997 2-disc sets with “Jedi Rocks” (vomits) and the new Victory music by John Williams (which I actually like as a piece of music except it totally doesn’t fit into the scene–that this recording exists is probably the only good byproduct of the SEs).

The CD version also has the 20th century fanfare unlike the Vinyls–did the original vinyl releases include this, or can we read into this? Oddly, the 20th Century Fox Fanfare has been removed from the prequels for the reissue CDs but not the OT–could this be a sign that Disney/Lucasfilm is looking to preserve the Fanfare, at least for reissues of the OUT–which I really hope will have their respective period-appropriate opening logos and fanfares?

Correction: Apparently, the prequel soundtracks were never released with fanfare tracks.

As an aside, on iTunes there are also individual albums for the OT movies with old tracks and artwork as well as the 1997 releases. These “original” releases are marked as released in 2004–but I don’t recall ever seeing these before.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Ultimate-Soundtrack-Collection/dp/B015NOT9FY/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1452314650&sr=8-1

http://www.starwars.com/news/sony-classical-to-release-ultimate-editions-of-original-star-wars-soundtracks