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Dek Rollins said:

Just because there weren’t any others doesn’t change the fact that it was used to portray evil and to contrast with the good, portrayed by blue. If there was another evil lightsaber-wielder in the OT, he would have had a red blade to keep the feel. A real prequelism is giving all darkside force users the name “Darth” as a title, rather than it being Vader’s first name.

The reason Darth had a red saber in Star Wars was to create the simple contrast of good and evil, just like everything else in the film.

That’s an out of universe reason. There’s no reason to think it’s an in-universe reason going off the OT alone.

Why does it matter if there’s a specific in-universe explanation for it? It’s a specific aesthetic that was used to portray something in the film(s). I never said there was an in-universe reason, I just don’t think something such as this needs one.

When I was a kid I thought his name was “Dark Vader,” which I think supports the idea that the aesthetics were very important to highlighting the contrast between good and evil, if for no other reason than the refined black and red aesthetic of Vader contrasted sharply with the more rugged, “monkish” earth tones and blue saber of Ben—an aesthetic which is repeated in TFA with the Rey-Kylo face off.

BillionaireHobo287 said:

IsanRido said:

Originality/subversion alone doesn’t do anything. However, if we’re dealing with a good film that features competent writing, direction and acting, would you think its quality be hurt if you saw the villain wearing white robes and using a blue lightsaber?

Yes however little. It would be a unnecesarily misleading and confusing design choice. Why make the bad guy look so much like the good guys? It’s not even really that original and detracts from the story.

Exactly. In a word, it would be stupid.

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Unlike Lucas’ prequel Sith, it makes sense for Kylo Ren to carry a lightsaber because he was once a Jedi (the Emperor specifically called the light saber a “JEDI weapon” not a Sith weapon).

I usually try not to defend the prequels, but… the prequels depict four Sith: Maul, Dooku, Vader, and Palpatine, half of whom were once Jedi (Dooku and Vader).

Remember, Kylo’s trying to emulate Vader, so a red saber could also be interpreted as part of that phenomenon.

edit: Also, the Sith are really a cult of sorts, obviously some kind of ritual to it. Is it that absurd to suggest there would be some kind of tradition like red light sabers? It’s not just bad guys, but specifically Sith, and Kylo’s trying to emulate a particular Sith.

Like, lol. Pretty sure no men complained about her appearance. Also, not to mention, she was impoverished, trekking around a desert, and eating nothing but “quarter portions” of that green self-baking bread.

http://time.com/4253729/daisy-ridley-appearance/

mfastx said:

No more superweapons. And if you absolutely have to have one, don’t give it some critical weakness exploited by a ragtag group of rebels and destroyed immediately.

In fairness, this weakness was far less “critical” than in the OT. In TFA they had to infiltrate the base and plant explosives inside to allow access for the rebels. Far less “critical” a weakness than an open exhaust port leading to the core.

Lord Haseo said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Lord Haseo said:

• Fully established Jedi Order with Rey as a student

That would be boring.

Not if the characters are written well. Also what would be boring about a bunch of Jedi and a bunch of Dark Side Warriors clashing?

EDIT:

Also why should there only be a few Jedi like in the OT?

Because the new order is only ~30 years old and as TFA explains, Luke failed in his first attempt to train a new generation of Jedi.

Lord Haseo said:

• Fully established Jedi Order with Rey as a student

That would be boring.

BillionaireHobo287 said:

I can be specific.

Everything BESIDES most of Ian McDiarmid’s acting and the Order 66 scene.

Could you imagine how good the movie (in fact, the trilogy) could have been if Ian McDiarmid was truly taken advantage of with great dialogue and a palatable plot?

suspiciouscoffee said:

The Rebellion was just a rebellion, not even remotely affiliated with any government, which was clearly established. In TFA, they mention that there is a relationship between the Republic and the Resistance, but don’t establish what that relationship is.

So what you’re saying is that TFA actually provides more information than the OT concerning it’s respective military unit?

I mean, how clearly established was it that the rebellion wasn’t a spawn of the old republic for example?

sunglassesatnite said:

Another thing that bothers me. The whole “map to Luke” thing.

It’s amazing how certain films can “get away” with stuff if the overall experience is viewed as a positive.

Independence Day is a perfect example. You can pick at the flaws all day long, and the flaws are most certainly there—but in the end, it’s almost as if none of the flaws really matter. The set-ups, the payoffs, the editing, the action, the pacing, the rhythm of the story—these things work in spite of other things that don’t. Things that would take one out of the story if the overall experience were weaker. We all know Independence Day sucked on some level—it’s kind of like a report card with a “C-“ in spelling while all the other grades are “A’s.”

As much as I love TFA, the “map to Luke” thing drives me insane.

So there’s a missing piece to a map to Luke that the “resistance” is trying to piece together. So let’s say they get it pieced together. Great. Now they have a map that may or may not lead them to Luke, who is undoubtedly a powerful Jedi. But Luke hasn’t been seen in years, and given the circumstances of his “walking away,” his motivations, state of mind, and attitudes toward the “resistance” are far from a sure thing.

Besides that, Luke’s only human. He’s not Superman. Let’s go find Luke! And then do…what, exactly?

Let’s waste valuable resources on finding one man when we have a solar-system destroying behemoth breathing down our necks.

The “map to Luke” thing is just as stupid as anything in the prequels, but it doesn’t matter because TFA is great in spite of it.

I’m betting the whole map thing was an elaborate and intentional design to locate Rey and bring her to Luke at the right time. We’ll see if they answer these questions in VIII.

Best part of that picture is that they obviously put two slices of Wonder Bread in the slot to make it look fuller.

(is the gif working?)

Yes

FanFiltration said:

Is this guy for real?

“C3PO Predicts R2D2 Death 5 Days Before It Happens At 88th Oscars”
https://youtu.be/2nCRGSQRhcU

Lol. And look at his other browser tabs. The only Wikipedia page that begins with “Home bir” is “Home birth.” That’s a really odd porn fetish. Next to that is probably something to do with genetic recombination, a cloning method, and further down “ascension,” which would either be an island of the British Commonwealth or the ascension of Jesus.

MalàStrana said:
it will make the marketing campaign for the spin off movies a lot more easier.

How so? I’d think if anything it would complicate differentiating them slightly. Though I fully support the numerals’ removal from the marketing.

ZkinandBonez said:

I’m actually really glad that Lucas removed the scream from Luke’s fall. It’s one of Luke’s most brave and profound moments, him screaming just makes it silly. Even Lucas realizability that and removed it in the newer SE versions.

The scream wasn’t in the original, it was added in '97 (not sure if removed in '04 or '11). I’m sure we are all glad its gone now.

moviefreakedmind said:

I always thought it was confusing that Luke was silent while falling in Cloud City. I wish he would have screamed bloody murder while falling. Preferably with a terribly out of place left over scream from Return of the Jedi.

While many of the changes were “worse,” this was the dumbest in the sense that it was almost childish.

SilverWook said:

The DVD cover is the only one I really like.

The Amazon listing now shows that the blu ray will have the theatrical poster art under the slip cover, as well as a black snap case instead of the usual blue.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018FK66TU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_9L52wb21T8281

See first page. Wow. Lucas modified the re inserted jabba scene to remove reference to the fact Greedo was ordered not to shoot!

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheWookieeRoars/status/705740130456309760/photo/1

I was mad when I read the rumor, but I would have waited. I’ve never bought a digital movie. They usually cost the same as BDs, are lower quality, and I actually find them less convenient than physical media (i.e, it’s easier to take to a friend’s place, lend, and even play in your own home).

Buster D said:

So no 3D Blu-ray until later this year. It’s lame that they’re delaying it, but at least they confirmed it’s coming.

They want you to buy it twice. And if you can’t wait four extra days but also want a physical copy, thrice.

Just out of curiosity (I would never buy this in a million years…), is there going to be a 3D BD release? If this movie doesn’t get one, I can’t imagine what would anymore. It’s really amazing what a dud the 3D-push was.

And while I’m here:

ESB
SW
ROTJ (throne room’s pros > Ewok’s cons)
TFA
TPM (only b/c of duel of the fates)
AOTC
ROTS

LuckyGungan2001 said:

That is a very interesting [convoluted] list.

Also, love VC on its own, but it just doesn’t fit the scene. I do listen to it on the soundtrack from time to time, though.

Lord Haseo said:
Sooooo “etc.” means non pertinent stuff or?

I think it was something about “making of the costumes and weapons” or something.