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Ryan-SWI said:

Handman said:

Looks are purely subjective, there’s no objectivity about it.

Well… No.
Yes I get the whole “personal taste” argument and while I agree that what you personally like is subjective, there is objective quality.

This is obviously a drastic example/hypothetical, but let’s say two movies come out and they both have a scene of a teacher at their desk, an apple at the foreground and clearly the main focus.
One film has a real, nice, shiny looking apple, and the second film literally just has a red splotch that looks like it was put in there using Microsoft Paint, with the intent of it resembling an apple.

One apple looks well on film, the other is a piece of shit.
You may think the second apple looks good personally, but that doesn’t mean it looks like a good apple in general.

You’re comparing apples (haha get it) and oranges here. IMO good quality modeling shot on 35mm looks way better than crappy 1080p unimaginative CGI.

Ryan-SWI said:

Indeed, Emperor was in '04.
But let’s be honest, the original Emperor in ESB is absolutely shocking, and not in a good way.

But at least it is interesting. They did such a shitty job shoehorning McDiarmid in there. If they went through trouble to do proper makeup and costume, that plus perhaps the windows on Bespin and a better executed re-done wampa sequence could have been a really good Director’s Cut (which the '97 version of Empire is more so than the other two, which are much more radical), if the original were available to watch beside it.

Handman said:

I think Adywan gave us the best of both worlds. Shame he could do it better than the professionals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNnYpODghl4

Never watched Adywan’s versions. This is more or less what I said above, though I wish the skin were darkened/greener/yellower as it was both in the original ESB and in ROTJ.

EDIT: added second quote rather than double post

yeah, I overlooked that they were talking about '97 specifically. Still, my God.

Changed my mind: I’d undo replacing Star Wars in the saga with a shitty movie called Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope.

I mean, the SE of SW is practically a different movie so I think I can get away with this.

And my favorite line is,

“A ship, a cup, a ship, a speeder… I’m cold”

Scott109 said:

“So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause” - Padmé

That line was completely unnecessary. Could have been accomplished with a facial expression and it would have been more meaningful

As much as I hate the prequel retcons (Hayden’s ghost, the godawful Emperor portrayal in later Empire releases), It has to be Greedo shooting.

Windows7Guy100 said:

IsanRido said:

It could be considered, though, the beginning of the revisionist saga that culminated in Lucas stating Star Wars was the tragedy of Darth Vader.

What is Star Wars, then?

Oh, I don’t know, maybe classic story of good versus evil following protagonists Luke, Leia and Han.
If you think the OT is about Darth Vader, you’re smoking something.

Wazzles said:

Ryan-SWI said:
I think the ESB SE ('97) is a tad better than the theatrical though, minus some wonky CGI.

I’m kind of with you on this, but even if the 97 was perfect, I would prefer the original. The only issues I have with it content wise are Luke’s scream and removing “Bring my shuttle” and its associated hoopla.

Better how? Like by going through the trouble to supposedly make the emperor consistent with ROTJ yet actually make him look and dress utterly differently with a voice distinctly different from that in ROTJ? If they felt compelled to “fix” that they should have put in the effort to make it consistent with ROTJ instead of just using ROTS costumes and makeup.

I’ve always found it a little funny (though understandable) that we call nonhuman species in the SW universe “alien.” Given what the word actually means, even Han Solo is an alien from the perspective of an earthling.

Colson said:

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a little pop-up before the movie on Blu-Rays asking which track it should play and explaining that those listening on TVs should choose the basic stereo.

There’s actually precedent for that. When DTS first hit the home media scene, not all DVD players supported it, so there would be a screen with a description of DTS and the option to enable it or choose Dolby Digital before taking you to the main menu.

Lord Haseo said:

I don’t know why I found this so funny

Neither do I

Does that droid have elf-shoe feet? Sigh

I’ve finally gotten around to watching the TFA special features disc. Wow. The demonstration of practical prop, character (creature), and set building displayed in it of itself shows why this movie was better than the prequels by every metric. Both plain aesthetics and also just the amount of care and attention to detail that obviously carried over to other aspects of the movie. I say this in particular watching the making of the snow fight. A far cry for the spartan blue-screen ‘sets’ you see watching "making of"s of the prequels.

I lol’ed at Boston. One of the most disappointing sophomore efforts the music industry ever saw combined with one of the most disappointing film franchise reboots ever.

Alderaan said:

generalfrevious said:
At least Harmy asks people to buy the official release first.

I bought the VHS boxset in the 90s so I’m good then.

If despecialized were a staticy 430i stereo transfer, then yes, you’d be fine.

I’m curious what you all think is the single SE frame or “side-by-side” comparison of OUT/SE that is most telling about how godawful they are.

By this I don’t mean your “least favorite” change or the “most egregious” change or the “ugliest” change. Rather, what single frame in a nutshell demonstrates that the SEs not only suck, but are cinematic sh*t and the incomprehensibility of their existence.

I’ll start:

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Trying to interpret why “‘other’” is in quotes is getting me way ahead of myself.

It means that he has already restored both the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

Like I said, I was getting way ahead of myself. So I stopped.
My friends tell me I’m easily excitable.

Trying to interpret why “‘other’” is in quotes is getting me way ahead of myself.

luckydube56 said:

doubleofive said:

The context is about the plan. Finn’s plan is to use the Force to come up with a plan. That is indeed, not how the Force works.

I think Finn meant that they would force their way in and Han misheard him and got angry. That’s not how the force works but that’s how old age works.

face palm

Maybe he felt he had to spell it out or the people who liked the prequels would be confused.

TV’s Frink said:

That’s not how the force works!

How would you know? Have you been trained as a Jedi?

Scott109 said:

It is very poetic

I once had a wife named Padmé. She died. She died.
Palpatine told me I killed her. He lied. He lied.
Why, oh why, is my wife dead?
Couldn’t I have lost the will to live, instead?

TV’s Frink said:

Is it possible this subforum is the worst Star Wars thing ever made?

Not even close: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/What-is-wrong-with-Attack-of-the-Clones/id/48862