C3PX

neebis said:

As a viewer it doesn't work at all, but I try to tell myself that Palpatine is just so powerful that he can blind every Jedi, every Senator and eveyone else in the galaxy.

Don't do that! The problem with trying to trick youself, is that sooner or later, you might succeed. It is bad enough being fooled by other people, but when we start fooling ourselves...

Fact is, this movie is really poorly concieved. It is okay to like it, but it is truely a mistake to try to convince ourselves that it is a really good well thought out movie. It is what it is, just let it be that and don't try to pretend it is more than that.

G E Predator said:

I'm not a kid.  I'm 27.  And I have not been fed "bullshit."  I just don't always assume the worst.  It's not wrong to be an optimist.

You have been fed bullshit if you seriously believe the only reason the original versions of the Star Wars film are not on DVD in high quality is simply because despite all their best efforts, they simply just were not able to save this poor film from deterioration.

And I totally get what you mean about being positive about past events. Personally, I like to be a positive polly too! In fact, I am still holding out my hopes that this whole Hitler and war in Europe thing will blow over without America needing to get involved. Also, every night when I say my prayers, I am always sure to ask for the safety of the Apollo 1 crew.

Yeah, that whole Evony thing is pretty goofy. Cracks me up. Bet it has a lot of people signing up, but very few actually playing the game. One thing is for sure, those guys have one hell of a marketing department... I imagine they are all holed up in some back office with stacks and stacks of porn magazines.

"Alright guys, here is the deal. We have this online RTS we want to market the hell out of. We really want to get people interested and get this game booming, so we want something that will really capture peoples attention. You guys have any ideas?"

"Hell yeah, boobies! What else!"

Ah, gotta love the internets. Bane of mankind.

Davnes007 said:

C3PX said:

... this thread is that hard to find,...

Nice, now it looks like I was saying that this thread is damn near impossible to find, when I was saying it isn't that hard to find. You should get a job in journalism. ;)

G E Predator said:

Lucasfilm didn't destroy the negatives.  The negative had deteriorated over the natural coarse of twenty-years.  It's just something that was bound to happen, and they did all that they could to preserve those negatives.

Don't believe everything you hear, kid. You have clearly been feed bullshit.

ChainsawAsh said:

I'm definitely going to attempt that.  I'm resistant to the idea of cutting it up into a 12-part "miniseries"-type thing, simply because I'm fairly certain that some of the "chapters" are much longer than others in their filmed state.  It would be a little odd to see a 40-minute "episode," then the next one is 10 minutes.  I don't know if the difference would, in fact, be so extreme, but I'll see how it works when I get to the edit itself.

I wasn't suggesting to devide it up into 12 separate chapters or into a 12 part "miniseries", but just to insert a black screen with the quotes between scenes in the film corresponding with there location in the comic (which is between chapters). I'd still recommend keeping it one long film. I think it would just be kind of cool to include the quotes, perhaps it would make it feel even more like the GN. But again, not sure how it will effect pacing.

Jono11 said:

How do they do that? Do they just treat the Black Freighter sequences as an animated version of the comic book that the kid is reading? Does anyone know?

Not sure, but I am willing to bet they have some clever transition.

Sidious was actually left out of the credits of TPM as part of an ingenious, and seemingly somewhat effective plan to keep people from figuring out this brilliant plot twist. And people say George lost his touch!

Nanner Split said:

 Apparently this was a plot twist for some people?

Crazy huh?

Even weirder, apparently, this was actually a good film to some people.

Moth3r said:

Does anyone actaully read these announcement threads?

Not very likely. I'd highly recommend sending out PMs, rather than just hoping they happen to pop in here and read your post.

Kind of reminds me of that bit in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where they are about to doze Arthur Dent's house, and the guy in the bulldozer tells him he has had fair warning since the plans for the new bypass had been posted at the planning agency for several months, to which Arthur replies that he searched all over the building for the plans, and eventually found them hidden down in the basement and had to use a flashlight to look at them since the lights were not working down there.

Not that this thread is that hard to find, it is just that most of us just pop in, skim a few threads, write a few posts, and pop back out, without even really thinking about checking out the announcements.

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Glad to see you are going to tackle this Ash. An edit like this is something I have thought long and hard about myself, but decided not to bother with, since I really feel the Dr. M ending just simply doesn't work, and if there is no way to fix that, there is not point in trying to save this film...

Not saying this to discourage you, but that is what discouraged me from trying to do an edit like this myself. Still, even with the botched ending, there is a lot of good film there, and many of your ideas stand to make it even better. For how closely this movie followed its source material, there were a lot of nonsensical "small" changes that really brought it down (Rorschach death, many over the top bits, extremely goofy musical sequences).  

Good luck with this. I will definitely be looking forward to seeing what you come up with. And I'd love to see you successfully recreate the original ending to the child molester bit. You are right, it would be hard to do it without it screaming fanedit, but if it can be done, I think it would be quite an improvement. The scene was obviously changed to add some more over the top explotation film style gore, and it did it at the expence of a very powerful moment.

Also, I like your idea of adding the ending quote from the GN before the credits. Have you considered adding all the chapter quotes into the film? Not sure if it would work, but I think it might be kind of cool to divide up the chapters with a fade to black>white text with quote>fade to next scene. Again, not sure if this would work, or just mess up the pacing, but at the moment it sure looks cool in my head as I imagine it.

vote_for_palpatine said:

From my point of view, the moon is constructed entirely out of blue cheese.

From my point of view, Elvis Presley is still alive on a secret island in the South Pacific, swapping Samoan hotties with JFK.

From my point of view, there are reptilian humanoids walking among us.

The beauty of it is that you cannot convince me that my point of view is not truthful to me. Therefore, I win!

Mmmmmm, blue cheese!

Actually, Elvis is curretly living in the balkans. Couldn't say where JFK is though.

As for the lizard people, it is great to meet someone else who knows about them too! Now I KNOW I am not crazy!

And now for something slightly less serious: it is hard to deny the destruction of a film that no longer exists, by admission of its own creator. The Star Wars that was, and not just the physical film, but also the cultural and popular perception of it is completely changed.

I think 4-LOM (man, how I have always hated that name!) is actually a proticol droid, or at least he has a proticol droids body. So I think it is safe to assume he was modified to be a bounty hunter. Not sure when the IG model droids were originally called assassin droids, they have just always kind of been that to me. I suppose you are right though, it probably is an invention of the EU (though if this is the case, a very early one, as me an my friends knew him to be an assassin droid since back in the eighties).

Regardless, I don't find the broken down assassin droid in a Cloud City junk heap to be anything unusual in the slightest. Cloud City has always struck me as a rather shady short of a place. The SW universe is a rather grim place, its residence being required to do what they must to survive in a world ran by tyranny. We are introduced to this in the first film through big talking Han Solo and his bragging about being able to out run Imperial Crusiers, his killing of Greedo, and the conversation about him dumping Jabba's "spice" shipment before being boarded. This doesn't strike me as the kind of place were a man like Lando really turns over a new leaf and becomes completely respectable. I have a feeling there is more to the place than a bunch of miners wearing silly clothes. I bet there are more than a handful of people living in that city who know EXACTLY what to do with an assassin droid.

Ah, you've got to love those pars! Even if no repairs or needed, they always give you that reassurance everything came down the pipe okay.

We are not talking about irrate fans taking their frustration out on the kid, we are talking about high school students teasing one of their peers.

I am sure he got teased quite a lot with the lines "Are you an Angel?" and "Whoa, this is intense!" etc. But I would be willing to bet the vast majority of kids who gave him a hard time were not even really SW fans. The Phantom Menace is something Jake had that made him stand out, which is very likely why other kids took it and used it as a handle for giving him a hard time.

Chewtobacca said:

I might be told off for saying this...

Sad the internet has become such a hostile place, that people feel the need to apologize for asking simple questions. For the most part, OT.com is a bit more mature than that.

For news groups you need two things:

1). News group access (some ISPs include this, you can probably check online to see if yours does. If not, then you have to pay for a premium service. There are plenty of free ones out there, but they will not work for downloading files). Files posted on news groups don't stay up forever, and have to be reposted eventually. So just because something was on newsgroups a year ago, doesn't mean it is still there now. If you have poor retention, then something posted just a month or so ago may be unattainable to you. Retention and download limits are something to keep in mind when signing up for a service. For example, a 90 day retention means you can only download files that are no more than 90 days old, and obviously download limit means you can only download that much data in a specified period of time. For example, 10GB per month would mean once you download 10GB you cannot pull down any more until the next month.

2). A program for reading the new groups, or for managing the download of the files. NZB-O-Matic is a pretty good one for a beginner.

I have no doubt a quick google search will find you some pretty easy to read step-by-step guides for setting up newgroup access on a program like NZB-o-Matic.

Mr Ghostface said:

 

Oh, I wasn't offering suggestions for ANH:R, I was just pointing out that it's not all that special and some of the praise Adywan gets for it seems to be borne of an ignorance of how much simpler this is to do than a lot of people realise. And didn't he say that the new CG stuff isn't even his, that another guy did it. I'm not saying this to pull him down; it's more that I feel other editors don't get the same praise when their editing skills are just as good, and some of them are definitely more seamless than Adywan's.

My feelings on this is that fanedits pretty much suck. I have yet to really see any that I really liked, or felt actually improved the film in some way. Fan editing is also incredibly easy to do, not sure how much praise it really deserves.

Throughout the whole editing process, I never had much interest in Ady's project, but when I saw the final project, I was quite impressed. It is obvious the man sunk a lot of time into his project, and the result is a really well polished modernization of Star Wars. Personally, I'll take the old 1977 version any day of the week, I still feel about Ady's edit as I feel about other DCs and SEs. But I still cannot deny what impressive work this man has done, and how dedicated he was to it with all the time and effort he spent.

Maybe you are right, maybe he does receive far too much praise and that there are other editors out there who have done equally impressive work and deserve more attention. If this is the case, I have not had the fortune of seeing their fine works. That sucks for me, because I have spend a good deal of time acquiring edits I thought would be cool after hearing others praise them, only to go sit down and watch how awful they are, and what a fine job of butchering the film they do.

All I can say, is out of all the many fan edits I have watched over the years, Ady's is, by a MASSIVE leap, by far the finest craftsmanship I have seen.

Wow, that was kinda of depressing. Poor kid. I never really took the time to think how hard it would be to live that movie down in the eyes of your peers.

"Kinda of for the fans who can let themselves enjoy it..."

I love that quote. Sums up the entire PT in my eyes. The movies are to awful to like by their own merit. You really do have to make a concious desicion to like them.

Best part would be the original props and costumes on display (not to say the live orchastra bit wouldn't be enjoyable).

Right, but it is a wee bit silly for literally hunreds of members to all download ad block, when the other option is to have a small handful a members lower the rez of their sig pics. Also, usually the types that are running computers/internet connections slow enough to be buggered by large picture files are also the type who'd have a hard time figuring something like AdBlock out.

My only point was that if the PT had more of that look and feel to it, it could have been far better. The PT took mindless action to a whole new level. At least that trailer is the good old fashioned flavor of mindless action.

Nanner Split said:

Whoa, Janskeet got the ban-hammer? When did this happen?

Few days back. Sounds like he fed (or attacked) our pet troll and got himself eaten. Warned him not to. He was so young too!

Normally I'd agree with you on that one Boost. Those two characters are very obviously imitations of the two characters you mentioned, and yes, that is pretty lame. Though sadly, those two character kick the total pants off of the Darth Vader and cheap Boba Fett knock off (Jango is his name-Oh) that appear in the prequels.

As for the no obvious reason part, I am going to have to assume your computer doesn't have sound... the Darth Vader knock off narrates and explains that the Sith have been waiting to take down the Jedi for three hundred years, growing in strength while the Jedi grew proud and lazy. Star Wars has always (or at least for a very long time, can't remember when it actually first appeared in print) had a back story of wars in the past between the Jedi and the Sith. Knight of the Old Republic takes place during these times, some hundred (am I right on that? Or is it thousands?) of years before Star Wars.

Sure, I suppose you could see this plot as a bit silly, but I'd be rendered speechless if you tried to tell me you found the nonsensical plot of the prequel trilogy more reasonable: Palpatine and Darth Sidious both lead armies in a war against one another. Palpatine and Darth Sidious also happen to be the exact same person. He has his two armies fight one another in order to... well, in order to... you see... err... well... he has his two armies fight one another. Neither side knowing that the armies they fight are essentially lead by their own behind the scenes leader, and this war goes on for year and years and year, until finally he convinces the universe, with the endorsement of the village idiot turned senator, to appoint him as their leader. More years and years and years pass, and he announces himself dictator, and then ends the war that very same evening and lives happily ever after... until his best friend murders him three movies later, after which all his loyal followers instantanously decide to give up, which puts an end to all the galaxies problems, making teddy bears all over the galaxy sing with delight.

I dunno, but for some reason I'd take guys with red lightsabers vs. guys with colorful lightsabers over CG New Zealander clones (with a few obnoxious indivisuals with colorful lightsabers and goofy costumes thrown in for good measure) vs. hoards of cheaply manufactured robots any day of the week.

Here was the thread for that Star Wars noir thing.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-prequel-film-noir/post/248772/#post248772

Would have been a really cool project, and Spence was certainly someone who was competant enough to pull it off. Too bad it didn't go anywhere.

I know this game has been discussed before, but I couldn’t find a dedicated thread for it.

The E3 trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOvbv-LkK6w&feature=related

I never got into the first KOTOR, never played the second, and I have absolutely no interest in playing any MMORPGS which is what this new one is. That said, this trailer is pretty freakin’ amazing. This single little scene from this trailer shows what awesome potential the whole Clone Wars and Old Republic story arcs had, and how much the PT truely sucked. Imagine if we had any scene coming anywhere close to this any where in the PT? Even the ships in this trailer reminded me a lot more of ships from the OT.

Official Site : Wikipedia Page : Wookieepedia Page : 2013 OT.com thread : GameFAQs Page : YouTube Playthrough

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be touchy.

The mention of fe.org will do that around here. As mentioned before, we are not them. This site has nothing to do with that site. What stupid leagal things they do is none of our concern. They have been taken down a couple of times in the past, and likely, will be taken down again.

They have also managed to turn the whole fanediting thing into a total fart smelling fest. How they go on about who the best faneditor is and give out awards and have contests and pat each other on the back for having turned a Hollywood piece of turd into a hacked up and now nonsensical, but supposedly more artsy and "darker" (it is all about the darkerness. Darker = better), piece of turd with their own title and names in the credits. Pure genius... blah! Mostly just making worthless films into even more worthless films, and thinking they are showing Hollywood a thing or two while they are at it.

So, as I said, they do dumb things we do not support, and we don't want to be associated with them at all.

This is actually a very interesting topic, and something that is kind of fun to ponder. Unfortunately I haven't had the brain power to make a really good response yet.

I suppose, ultimately, it would work very much like it does in the real world. I suppose space battles would be a lot like sea battles. Distances, fuel, etc. would be a very heavy concern. The Star Destroyers in Star Wars as a type of aircraft carrier seems very well thought out. I'd go a head and say that you likely would need to create footholds, finding a strategic base near enough to the target to be practical for refueling and repairs. If a planet fortifies itself, then an invader would need to break through their defenses before continuing the attack on the ground. The same ships this invader used for breaking through the enemy lines to get to the surface of the planet, would likely not be suited for capturing targets on the ground. So again, SW has some very well thought out ideas with things like the AT-ATs and other war machines designed for surface combat.

To address the pondering of what a "front" might look like, I have always kind of imagined this as some network defense around the planet, perhaps a fleet of ships, or a series of satellites or defense stations that are intended to keep enemy ships from being able to enter the atmosphere. I'd imagine the conquering of a planet from start to finish going as follows,

- Invader sends their forces toward the planet, most likely from a base within the closest distance possible.

- Defending planet consentrates all its resources to fending off the attacking fleet. If it succeeds, all is well, and they probably have a lot of ships to collect salvage from. If they fail...

- Invader takes out all of Planet X's planetary defensive forces, which would likely mean every last ship in their fleet. From here, they head to the surface, where likely a ground army is preparing to do their best at fighting off the invaders. Perhaps there would even be non-space worthy aircraft involved at blasting away at the incoming ships. Also very likely ground to air missles and other such forms of defense. Assuming the invader is strong enough to hold together through such an onslaught...

- Invader begins sending out ground forces to capture important buildings and locations.

I see invading a planet to be a bit like peeling an onion. So I don't think there would be that many cases of battles raging on all layers at once. Of course, it would be unreasonable to think every planet would be so well defended, so likely in many cases the battle might begin on the surface. I'd also imagine that many wars between well developed planets might never even see a ground battle, and that all the fighting would take place in space, as those defenses would be quite a lot to breach.