C3PX

Did you really have any doubt FF?

skyjedi2005 said:

 

I love how Negative 1 has something on Gout in HD.  Because everytime he posts on the gout.  some advertisement comes up on how there is a cure for gout.

Probably only because I have more than a little alcohol in my system at the moment, but crap that was one of the funniest things I have ever read.

Nanner Split said:

This may very well be the single greatest post ever posted on the interbutt.

 

Oh yeah, that one was a thing of beauty. When that was first posted I split my gut open laughing.

I do buy into the Libertarian mindset for the most part, and did so long before it became the trend. But I don't quite consider myself a Libertarian. I didn't vote for McCain cause I can't stand the guy (at least as a politician, as a former POW, I have a great amount of respect for him), and, well, Obama is black. And his middle name is Hussein. And his last name rhymes with Osama Bin Ladin's first name. LOL. And he is probably an Islamo Fascist sleeper agent sent to attack our government from the top down. And Hillary posted some pictures of him dressed like a Muslim, so I know that is what he is, and all Muslims are evil. He is also a sexist, because he ran against Hillary. Jerk. I also think he is involved with a plot to hand the US over to the Skedar, and evil race of aliens who the US government bipartisanly and the Maians (a race of lovely little folk, who are kind of like Hobbits, only with larger heads, gray skin, no hair, and freakin huge creepy black eyes) have allied together to fight against. That would be really bad. See, many reasons not to vote for Baracky. Whoa! My head is spinning. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Nanner Split said:

P.S. I voted for Bob Barr. Fuck you all.

Whooohooooo!!!! Go Libritarian party!!!!!!!!!!! Whoooohoooooo!!! Unfortunately all the people who actually care about America are destined never to have a chance...

Yeah, as much as I didn't want Obama to win, I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Juan McCain either. So, yeah, screw all ya'll.

Ferris you dumb piece of crap, your not allowed to have an opinion! How dare you not be an Obama supporter! You just disgraced Southerners everywhere with your blantant display of racism.

Obama for the win!!! Whooooohoooooo!!!!

Yeah, I am curious about a number of things.

First off, whether or not the covers are the same as the original PT releases and the 06 release.

Second, if the Lego Star Wars demo is still there, or if they at least bothered to make them more current.

And finally, if the disc art/labels are still the same (for example, the OT release was done kind of oddly, with a "Disc One" followed by a "Bonus Disc". Seems like you'd either do it, "Disc One" and "Disc Two" or something like "Feature" or no extra label at all and a "Bonus Disc". Seemed odd to have a "Disc One" without a "Disc Two"). Wonder if they changed it or not.

Surprised to hear these are slimline, that is pretty lame, feels like a "budget" sort of thing to do, and these things certianly are not being sold at a budget price.

MeBeJedi said:

Background checks and such would make it very difficult for many of these types to aquire weapons legally.

But not impossible. A responsible American citizen with a clean criminal history is not, in any way, being deprived of their right to own a weapon in this scenario.

 

Unless, of course, you are in favor of people with problematic criminal or mental histories having easier access to firearms?

Holy shit did you ever not read my posts! I wasn't even trying to make a debate of any sort. I was explaining to MrBrown the way things work now, which I am very pleased with, and feel even a few more checks might not hurt. I am fully in favor of background checks, and could not agree more that people with criminal records or mental disorders should not have guns.

Instead of quoting things out of context, let's look at the whole sentence:

"The fact of the matter is, gun crime is not often committed by legally obtained arms. Background checks and such would make it very difficult for many of these types to acquire weapons legally. The vast majority of people who own guns are very responsible with them, and use them for harmless means."

Mebejedi said:
"Soooooo......you admit people are using his middle name for nefarious purposes......but also claim that pro-Obama people are the problem? That's called putting the cart before the horse. Do you also think the Jews are responsible for the Holocaust because they keep talking about it?"

No, I said that there are idiots who are freaking out about his middle name, I can't control that anymore than you can, this cannot be reflected on all Republicans as a whole. No more than the Democratic party can control crazies who go around saying that George Bush masterminded 9-11. This isn't putting the cart before the horse, my point was in this particular discussion, you guys brought up his middle name. I think it is a non-issue, yet you guys have us pointlessly discussing it. I said I thought it was retarded to use his name against him, we seem like we are in agreement over this, yet for some fucking dumb reason we are still discussin this. Why? The people who use his middle name against him are the equivalents of right wing Michael Moores and are not worth fucking around with. This does not reflect non-Obama supporters as a whole.

And are you seriously still debating whether or not Obama's ideas are Marxist? Have you not been listening to a word the guy says? He is very obviously a Marxist. A better approach would be for you to defend Marxism, which would be perfectly legitimate. Also your use of Palin's talking about how Alaska shares in the wealth of money that comes from the use of Alaska's resources has absolutely nothing to do any sort of socialism. How are you even pretending it does?

As for why we are listening to a plumber on economics, that whole plumber thing was retarded, both McCain's campaign and the mainstream media blew that thing out of proportion and missed the whole point. The whole point was Obama's response and NOTHING more. "Joe the Plumber" and what he thinks and who he is has NEVER mattered.

Mebejedi said:

"The problem isn't whether you are a low-brow right-wing nutjob....but whether or not you believe and/or regurgitate the bullshit being slung around by obvious right-wing nutjobs. Unfortunately, it appears that you do."

See, that was exactly my point. Any criticism of Obama, regardless of how legitimate it is, is all regarded as right wing bullshit being slung around (even when it has nothing to do with the right). Not a bit of it is ever taken into consideration, even when it should be. If it could be so well refuted, then it wouldn't be simply disregarded as "right wing bullshit" that doesn't deserve refutation, and ignored. Truth has no fear of inquiry, so by the media simply responding to any questions with a "Pfft, begone right wing sheep!", regardless of who they are only stands to leaves those questions festering in peoples minds. People are smart, weight those questions out and refute them fairly, and people will dismiss them. Why isn't that happening?

MrBrown said:

Let's say so: I feel quite good without owning a gun.

If it would be harder to gat a gun in America (especially getting a gun illegal), it would be not so neccessar to own a gun.

It is a bad thing that people get killed in not well stored private weapons. Its ashame that people get killed in rage-runs... (not only in USA, but in Germany, Finnland and so on...) Let me give you this to think about:

If you would know you live in a save country, why you should need a gun? Or is it just the "I just want a gun, because its my right to have a gun!" ?

Okay, In Germany ts very, extremely unusual to own a gun legal, because its not easy to get one. Well as I said before, I feel save enough without a gun.

MrBrown, you have some quite good points, I get where you are coming from, but again, it is difficult for you to understand major political issues in America like gun control, because you do not live here. It is just a very different political setting and background that that of Germany or Europe. To most people owning a gun is not so much for protection, but it is more of a hobby, target practice, collecting, and hunting. 

We also have a good deal of people who live out in some pretty remote places, or out in the country. In these places you will find that just about everyone owns a gun, knows well how to use them, and couldn't imagine life without them, yet gun crime in these areas are extremely rare. Next, turn to inner city areas and slums, where just about everyone will talk about how evil guns are. It is in these areas that very few people own guns and yet this is where drive by shootings and lots of gun crime takes place.

It is not that I sleep with my gun under my pillow to feel safe. My guns are kept securely locked away in a safe. The likelihood of someone breaking into my home while me and my family are at home is highly unlikely. If such a senario were to take place, I would probably grab my gun, but I'd really hope I would not have to use it.

America was designed to be tyrant proof. As a nation of men and women who escaped persecution from government, many checks and balances were well thought out to protect us from becoming a tyranical government ourselves. One of these checks is the second amendment rights for citizens to have arms. The idea is that if the government "goes bad" the citizens can organize militias to defend themselves. Times have of course changed, now that we have moved beyond a gun and mortor era, it is unlikely citizens could stand up so well against the military. The fact of the matter is, gun crime is not often commited by legally obtained arms. Background checks and such would make it very difficult for many of these types to aquire weapons legally. The vast majority of people who own guns are very responsible with them, and use them for harmless means.

I not trying to argue with you MrBrown, I was actually speaking more to the other guys. I lived outside of the US for many years, and I know that even by watching the news everyday you never really know how things actually are over here. I just think it is ashame if you buy that his name and his race as the biggest reasons Americans wont vote for him. In the end he is very much a socialist. To people in Europe this is not that big of a deal, as Europe has a much stronger socialistic mentality than the US. But many of us in America are very legitimately against socialism, and that above all else is why I would not vote for the man. A LOT of Americans feel this way about socialism. Also, He and Biden both are for some pretty severe gun control, another thing a lot of us wont stand for, these guys would throw out the second amendment if they could.

You can bet if he looses today, headlines in the newspapers would announce things such as "Racist Americans Win Election". That isn't really fair, because there are many other reasons not to support him. In fact, if he was a white guy, with the exact same charisma, policies, and campaign finds, he would be nowhere near as far as he is now. I think his race as a benefit and a determent pretty much equal out.

I says things like that because you use terms like "right wing nutjob". Any type of critism for Obama that anyone has brought up has been treated that way. At the suggestion that Obama is socialist you guys basically say that it is not true and it is sheepery to believe so. I was commenting on the general nature of your (plural) posts, not just yours (singuar) Jay.

That report is about one small branch (a single county branch) of the Republican party, and when the state GOP found out about it they told them to get rid of that. I am not saying that some people have not sunk to those levels, I am just saying that you cannot throw this onto all of us. While some have been irresponsible with crap like this, many others have not. Don't be fooled into thinking this is thought of as any sort of a legitimate reason not to support Barack by any sort of significant number of those who don't.

Also MrBrown, I am not saying that there are not racists in America, unfortunately there are, and of course they are against Obama, but that does not mean that all who are against Obama are racists. Not even anything like the majority of those against Obama are racist.

This whole thread seems to be trying to make the case that there are no legitimate reasons not to back Obama. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems there is a very low opinion of anyone who is not going to vote for Obama, because they are only not supporting him because they are brainwashed Republican scums or racists.

Jay said:

And the "Osama" thing is the most ridiculous part of your conspiracy theory.

You're naiive.

There are plenty of idiots who think Obama is a Muslim terrorist trying to infiltrate the White House simply because he's dark-skinned and has a foreign-sounding name, so speakers emphasize that middle name strongly and repeatedly at their froth-mouthed rallies because they want to illicit an irrational response from the fearful, angry red sheep.

Uhh, okay. I guess pretty much anyone with low enough intellectual capacity not to vote for Obama is pretty naive...

There are plenty of idiots out there who think Bush orchestrated 9-11. I guess you could say every time someone from the mainstream left emphasized the bad policies of G. W. Bush at their froth-mouthed rallies, it was to make direct reference to Bush's masterminding Sep. 11, right? 

Come on, who is being naive? I've no doubt there are kooks who freak out about Obama's middle name, but let's just write them off the same as we do the kooks who go around yelling "Jet fuel doesn't melt steel!!".

Nobody with a quarter of a brain is going to give credence to shit like that, let's not even try to pretend that is the mainstreams, at least not until you can give me a convincing video to prove it, are actually doing as you claim. Stop pretending it is some major right wing tactic being employed, there are so many other issues here to worry about other than his middle name. It is unfortunate that people from outside the united states, like MrBrown, think that this whole thing is only about race and religion. The mainsteam opponents of Obama are looking at the issues, the mainstream proponents of Obama seem to be content to ignore the real issues and write off all opponents as sheep of some sort or another. Nobody wants to be called a sheep, I am sure being called a sheep is enough to make anyone change their ways and get in line to unquestioningly follow the masses... wait a minute!....

Anyway, buttom line is, it is you pro Obama guys that brought up the issues of his name sounding like Osama, his being black, and his middle name being Hussein. None of us who are against him ever brought it up. 

Obama's middle name is a funny coincidence people will joke about, every president/presidential candidate gets made fun of for something, is Obama going to be off limits? Boring four years a head of us then... Most of these guys just shake it off, yeah, yeah, that's funny that's funny, let's move on. Obama and his supporters respond with offense! Guy needs to grow some skin if he is going to be president. It is only his middle name!

Of course I don't think it is wrong for one candidate to raise more money than the other. I actually don't think very highly of public money being used to fund campaigns at all, but that is a different discussion...

MeBeJedi said:

Interesting that they use the name "Hussein", even though "Barack Obama" (or simply one or the other) would be more than enough info to make it clear who they are referring to.

But no...."Hussein" keeps popping up, as if it's a clue to something nefarious...

Being as his middle name actually IS Hussein, seems like it is fair game. Anybody with half a brain knows that it is just a middle name, something his parents gave him and has nothing to do with him as a person. Barack Hussein Obama. Seriously, no matter what implications these people are trying to make with his middle being Hussein it means nothing. If they want to use it why not? William Jefferson Clinton, George Walker Bush, Barak Hussein Obama. Come on, let's not be afraid of middle names. When some one tried to use Hussein as a bask against Obama, just tell them to shut the hell up, because they are being retarded. 

Anyway, the accusation that I said I needed evidence of were the "Republicans" trying to use the fact that his name rhymes with Osama as a smear. Your response was that I was obviously out of touch because so many people are using his middle name. I've known that the Obama supporters throw tissies when his middle name is used (Democrats have also used his middle name just for the hell of it), I am perfectly well informed of that. Still don't believe anyone in the Republican party decided his name rhyming with Osama was any sort of an argument in anyway (as Mr. Brown suggested was one of the Republican's primary arguments, right after our prime argument that he is black and a black guy wouldn't make a good president, lol).

negative1 said:

C3PX said:

First off -1, stop being such a ******wit. Thanks. Yes, I can type that with a straight face. ME worked great for me, after years of trouble with 98, ME felt like a great breath of fresh air. It basically felt like a version of 98 that didn't constantly plummet me into the blue screen of death. Also, it was the first one to have the compatibility mode feature, which I really liked, always worked well for me, and I use a lot of old programs.

that's odd, most of rest of the world (including microsoft) admitted that ME was a huge failure,

and there were several major issues with it:

-1, sorry for calling you a ****wit, that was rude and uncalled for, and I know you don't like swearing, so I should be more sensitive to that. You just get very irritating sometimes in that you try to disagree with everyone for the sake of disagreeing.

I am now going to quote myself, just for kicks.

C3PX said:

 

ME worked great for me, after years of trouble with 98, ME felt like a great breath of fresh air. It basically felt like a version of 98 that didn't constantly plummet me into the blue screen of death. Also, it was the first one to have the compatibility mode feature, which I really liked, always worked well for me, and I use a lot of old programs.

Arnie.d said:

It is the same on both sides.

This is what I have been bitching and moaning about for quite a while, I absolutely hate McCain, I hated him from the beginning and I hate him now. I really don't want to vote for the guy. The alternative is a far leftist Marxist! Bill Clinton was a middle of the road liberal, Hilary is a middle of the road liberal. If I had the opportunity to vote for a middle of the road liberal over McCain, I would do so. McCain himself is just barely to the right of being a middle of the road liberal. I hate that people would vote for McCain just because he is a Republican (that looks and smells like a Democrat), I also hate that we are forced to vote for McCain as our only alternative from getting a president that is so far from middle of the road that you can barely see him from the road. I know Democrats that are going to vote for McCain, because they feel Obama is way too much of an extreme to the left. This isn't about Republican vs. Democrat, this is about keeping the governments big dick out of our asses as much as possible. An Obama government is frighteningly large, a country like America is a place that needs as small a government as possible. I don't care if the president is white, black, red, or yellow, I don't care if he is a Republican or a Democrat, just so long as he upholds the constitution and does his duty as commander and chief of the armed forces. 

We stand to loose a lot with an Obama win. Any of us old dinosaurs clinging to our guns and our religion are at risk of loosing a lot of liberty. Hell, everyone is at risk of loosing a lot of liberty, they just don't give a damn about that liberty because they don't see it taking away anything they feel they need, not yet anyway.

It is amazing to believe that there are "true conservatives" (not this new use of the word "conservative" that has very little meaning and somehow includes spending money faster than you can piss) and libritarians that are actually going to vote for this guy! I agree, we need change from the last eight years, but these guys want change so badly, they are willing to jump right into the arms of an extremist.

negative1 said:

C3PX said:

 but I thought ME was great,

you've just lost any technical credibilty you might have had

with this one statement, i find it hard to believe you can

type that with a straight face...

First off -1, stop being such a fuckwit. Thanks. Yes, I can type that with a straight face. ME worked great for me, after years of trouble with 98, ME felt like a great breath of fresh air. It basically felt like a version of 98 that didn't constantly plummet me into the blue screen of death. Also, it was the first one to have the compatibility mode feature, which I really liked, always worked well for me, and I use a lot of old programs.

MrBrown said:

Well, I am from Germany, and my personal opinion is that Obama seems to be a better decision than McCain.

I never would try to tell someone to vote for Obama, but, maybe I may try to express my opinion.

First of all, I don't care or judge any skin colorization, so I see no problem in someone with a really good tan in the White House. the only people seeing a problem there are racists, and racism is very close to facism, which is extremely close to nationalism (nazi for short).

The "argument" that a "black president" is not a good president is just like a argument by a nazi. Why judging about such thing? Does the region were some ancients come from, really make someone better or worse? I think: no.

The Republicans tried to get Obama into combination with Osama. Because of his name. Well... this seems a very thing argument for me. Instead of focussing on political relevant things they hardly tried to make Obama look worse. Would I like to have a gouverment facing not the real problems, but trying to distract from real neccessary political things? What would the politic the next 4 years look like? "Hey we have about 25% people without work!" .. "yeah, but look at this country, called ***.. they have 30% people without work, and more poverty... so we are better."

Obama knows how to use media... he is charismatic, I would say.

 

Where are you getting this information from? Sure, there are some stupid bastards in America who won't vote for him because he is black. That is obviously racism, and that isn't cool. But we have gotten to the point where everyone is too obsessed with skin color, now I end up with people calling me a racist just because I am not an Obama supporter. Don't buy into this shit Mr. Brown, there are plenty of people not supporting Obama that couldn't give a damn whether he was white, black, or green. Not sure who is making the argument that a "black president" wouldn't make a good president, I am sure some lame white supremicy groups probably believe this, but nobody really cares what those facist idiots say, but no serious person would make such an argument.

When you say, "the Republicans tried to get Obama in combination with Osama" what do you mean? You mean they tried to smear him because his name sounds like Osama? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I'd need some evidence for that. Who did that? When, where? I don't think the "Republicans" did anything of the sort.

Sounds like the news reporters in Germany are about as worthless as the ones in America.

Obama knows how to use the media, sure, they are all sided with him anyway. He is charismatic, he sure knows how to say a bunch of nothing in ways that seem to get people excited.

As for Jay regarding Obama's spending, my point wasn't that it wasn't the guys money to spend, my point was HOLY SHIT THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON JUST A DAMN CAMPAIGN!!! Especially for the guy who has already technically won this election by a landslide. Seems like if this was an inevitable change and the wisest decision for people to make, it should not have taken over 600 million dollars.

Things like this bother me quite a lot as well, http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ticket2-2008nov02,0,2691635.story

I have not been impressed with the Republicans at all over the last several years. Both parties suck. It is infuriating how little people care to know or learn about Obama before whole heartedly backing him just because he isn't a Republican. I really don't want to vote for McCain, but Obama is one huge fucking mistake that we may very well be about to make.

Yo, -1,

First off, sueing Lucas was the dumbest proposal anyone has ever made at this site, this is the type of thread that needs to be derailed in a serious way.

Secondly, all of us have been here a lot longer than you, and topics around here often tend to wonder off topic, the "forum police" really don't care if we talk about Star Trek in a topic titled "We should sue George Lucas". Sorry it offends you so much. My suggestion is not to click on this thread anymore, that way you will avoid some pain and upset. But do as you wish.

So no, it is not hard to click on the thread for ST, but we just don't want to, thanks for going through the trouble of making a link for us, but I am afraid we wont be using that link. Just think of the chaos we would cause if sometime during out Star Trek conversation, we decided to start talking about suing Lucas again, it would be a catastrophy!!

And as for telling sky he has serious problems, you are a funny poster to be telling any other poster than he has serious problems.

As for fiscal responsibilty? Let's compare how much McCain spent campaigning compared to how much Obama spent campainging... if that is a shadow of things to come... then, uh, wow!

America is full of morons with a very limited world view, and a lack of ability to think for themselves. Thank God they have people to think for them.

The original post is one of the dumbest things I have ever read, well other than reading about Obama's dear auntie living in poverty, that was pretty dumb too...

Let's not reduce our views of the world around us to a bunch of people who need to be told what to do and if they disagree, too bad. For Pete's sake man.

An Obama Presidency is not going to be reform in Washington, at the very least it is going to less than you expect, at most, it is going to be a giant leap in the wrong direction. There has already been enough lies in the Obama campaign to be quite alarming. There is no "too bad" here! We will go out and vote for who we damn well want to vote for, ignoring shit like this from people like you. We will vote, and who we vote for is our business. Then, after the election is over, that is the time for somebody to speak the words "too bad." Not before! Get off your high horse and stop pushing your views on others. 

A message to everyone else: Get out there and vote! It is important! Vote for who you want, and don't let anyone tell you who to vote for! If you haven't already, do some research on your own into each candidate to help you decide, you should have been doing this long before now, but it isn't too late to spend a few hours on the internet reading the good and the bad about both candidates before voting. Don't let the people on TV or FF tell you who to vote for, you decide on your own. Don't vote for someone just because it is the "hip" and "cool" thing to do. In the end the most important thing is that you vote!

The orgin of this conversation was that there were loyal fans who remained loyal to SW straight on through, who George did not remain loyal too. It kind of veered off into a whole differerent and irrelevant discussion that seems to have more to do with perspective than anything else.

Baron said "there's no doubt it died hard around 1985 in a way that hasn't happened this time around"

Why is there no doubt? I really never saw it as dead during that period of time. We still had video games and comics being produced along with a few other odds and ins. I don't think a market flooded with merchandise is a fair assessment of whether something is a dead fad or something with an authentic massive fan base that still very much care about it at any given moment.

And I really don't think there is much evidence that the "New-Star Wars" crowd is clinging too it more tightly than we did. I see it more as Star Wars is clinging to them, and fortunately for it, only very slowly wearing out its welcome. I mean, there was a Star Wars film in theaters just this year, and now a TV show, had an animated feature film been in theaters in 1988, you can bet it would have reawaken the fad crowd. Also, in this day and age we are in an even more material driven society than we were back in the seventies and eighties. Now everything gets tons of merchandising.

Had Star Wars really been dead, it would have taken a lot more than a small line of action figures and a few new novels in the early to mid nineties to revive it. Instead, those figures and novels fell right into the eager hands of fans who had been waiting for them. Games like X-Wing, Dark Forces, and Rebel Assault sold amazingly well, because not only were they good games, but there were still more than enough people interested in Star Wars to make it worthwhile to keep producing them. If that counts as dead, then check my pulse, I may have been gone for quite some time now.

Perhaps your set is the rowman set Adywan?

Yes, if anybody is willing to start a PIF chain, I too would be willing to send out a set to someplace in the US.