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I am curious as to why you'd dish out such a large amount of cash for a PS3 if you are not a Playstation fan (and I assume you arn't by the GayStation talk).

I still have a hard time understanding why it was "all the cool kids" who had PlayStations (which Darth Solo has just minded me I used to call the Phony GayStation). I hate to say I was a Nintendo fanboy, but I guess I kind of was, not because I was obsessed with Nintendo, I just always found them better in every regard, and that is after giving the others a fair chance.

Never had a Sega or a Sega Genesis, played them at my friends houses and always felt the Nintendo was superior, I never had the slightest desire to own either of those consoles. The NES was fantastic, and you just couldn't compete with games like Metroid and The Legend of Zelda, two oldies I have still not gotten out of my system and constantly find myself coming back to again and again.

I had a Super NES at the time my friends were getting PlayStations, seemed pretty cool, 3D and all, I liked it. Then the N64 came out and from then on it was freaking hard to even look at crappy PlayStation graphics. Finally after years of owning a N64 and having beaten every game on the console that interested me (which is shamefully few, which was the consoles biggest problem), I was given a hand-me-down PlayStation, I was excited as could be to get the thing, all I needed was to buy a few games, so I scoured the internet looking for "best PS games of all time" lists and I checked out IGN for their highest rated games. I never could find a copy of FF VII. I had already beaten Metal Gear Solid on the PC, so... I bought Tony Hawk Pro-Skater... yeah... the PS sucks, every good game is available in far improved form elsewhere (save for the FF games, but I have never been a big fan). Still don't know what those goofballs were smoking who would brag about how wonderful their PSs were and how crappy the 64 was.

The PS2 however, is an amazing little system. I also got this one as a hand me down, and I love it to death. Honestly, it sucks severely, so ridiculously underpowered, and totally riding on the undeserved fame of the original PlayStation, but it has so many good games on it! From Ico and Shadow of the Colossus to God of War II to the GTA games and Bully and everything in between, it has got all sorts of great stuff. On top of that, it is backwards compatible to a very impressive degree, so if there are by chance any crummy games worth playing on the PS, you can play them on the PS2. Up until a while ago (maybe still) the PS2 was outselling the PS3 by some pretty impressive numbers.

For this current gen, I really think the Wii and 360 have it. Sony did the exact opposite of what it did last time, instead of being the first to put out an under powered console, they were the last and put out an amazingly over powered console. Sure its specs are impressive, but its price and game library are far from it. It is so far behind in sells, it will take a long while for it to catch up to the Wii and the 360 (and these facts are hilarious when you go back and read discussions in this very thread back on page 25 or so, where everybody was talking about Sony dominating and this likely being Nintendo's last console before going the way of Atari and Sega. Ha!)

I think Sony really hurt themselves with making the PS3 too powerful (which accounts for its overly high cost). Most developers want to make games on multiple platforms, which means they will max out at the specs of the 360 regardless of how much more potential the PS3 version could have had. MGS4 is a good example of this, it is going to be stuck as a PS3 only title, because it could never run on the 360 (never say never, but I would be quite impressed), as a result it may sell more PS3s, but in the end, there is an entire audience that might have bought the game that won't because they can't play it. And while the Blu-ray player may have been a selling point before/at this time, it wont remain so for long with the continual drop in Blu-ray player prices. Poor Sony, as their very own PS2 proved, over powered is not always better. I predict the 360 being the PS2 of this gen., which is to say the one with the longest shelf life and the best library of games.

The Wii also did a great job of creating a whole market of its own, it has ensured its own success this round regardless of power and library. Will they manage this again for the next gen? I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past them, with the Wii they turned around and showed us they were serious and not to be taken lightly anymore. I don't think they will give that spot up so easily.

Seriously, we need some more discussion going on in here, this poor once-great thread was on the very edge of falling off the first page.

Yeah, the old four disc set is discontinued. Though I am sure we will still be seeing them on stores shelves occasionally, since so many of them were produced.

I'd be pretty cool to see this in a quality that doesn't make your eyes hurt... only it would still make youre eyes hurt, because it is the Holiday Special, but at least it would make your eyes hurt for the right reasons and not because it is a 10,000th generation VHS copy. 

So, whose taking their camera into the theater to cam this thing for us? hehehe.

Last edited on December 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM by Jay (Reason: Nudie pics, seriously?)

It was in honor of someone who just passed away, that makes it alright, doesn't it? ;)

Portal is awesome. I still haven't downloaded and played the extra levels. I played through the story mode, gave it a break for a while, then when I returned to play through it some more it ran just laggy enough on my computer where it ceased to be fun.

Wow, just saw this thread for the first time. It all seems so familiar somehow... LOL, reminds me a lot of the Starkiller Ranch... and various other prequel edit idea threads that have dropped off page one and disappeared over the years.

One thing I have mentioned before is my personal edit of TPM, one time I went in and just hacked everything out of the film I didn't like. It is much shorter, the changes are drastic, but the story is the same and I think it worked quite well.

First, I kept the opening sequence in the eyes of Qui-gon and Obi-Wan only, no switching back and forth from heroes to the villians. I think it ultimately speeds up the pace of the opening, and makes the villians more villianous. They are waiting to meet with some one, their ride explodes, poisionous gas, robots, try to cut through the door, bigger robots, excape into the vents, stall away and meet up on the planet.

They run into Jar Jar, but they don't ask him for help, I cut the conversation a little, they take off running and Jar Jar says, "More did you say?" and runs after them. Next shot of them they are on the steps of Theed, Jar Jar followed them. No Gungan city, no submarine. Kind of weird Jar Jar just follows them and they don't bother to ask why, but I think it works well enough.

The other drastic thing I did was the podrace, I don't remember how long it was, or how short I managed to make mine, but I really cut the sucker down and sped up the pace. The end result was what felt like a much higher speed race, more like a drag race than stock car racing. I shortened it to one lap, so now it is just zipping through canyons and people blowing up left and right. I used the Beggar's Canyon track from the Shadows of the Empire soundtrack, as has become the standard fanedit scoring for that race, and my whole race runs no longer than the duration of that track.

I am by no means an audio guy, I just don't have an ear for music. I actually really like the stripped down edit of TPM I made for myself, it is my ideal version of the film, but the audio is very rough. If somebody every did an edit with drastic cuts like this with rescoring to cover the cuts, I think it would be a really good edit of the movie. Ultimately you can edit Jar Jar down to a minimum, and he is not too annoying at all, to me this is much more effective than redubbing him (I am a very big opponent of redubbing, I have just never seen a fan edit in which it really worked that well).

Just thought I'd mention these, as I have never seen a current edit go this far before.

Baronlando said:

They cannot give these away at the stores around me...

Apparently not! I was just browsing through targets weekly ad on their website, and they are selling the PT set for $24.99, 50% off its suggested retail price! How often does that happen for a set released a mere month or so before? Also take note that it is only the "Prequel Trilogy" not the actual "Star Wars Trilogy" (LFL's labeling, not mine) that is being sold at half off. This means something... not sure what... but it must mean something...

TMBTM said:

It seems you all have problem with the story of the PT, which to me is good  (could have been better though). It's just the way of telling it that kinda sucks (and the bad casting, VaderisnotAnakin... indeed!). In other words: good story, bad script.

You mean the story about a nine year old boys induction into a weird religious order that dictates that he cannot love any one or ever see his mother again, who falls in love with an elected queen and obsesses over her for the next eight years of his life, before finally expressing his love to her, a gesture that doesn't go over so well, because he is worried about his mom, who he has not checked in on in eight years, so he returns home to find her kiddnapped and raped to death by Sandpeople, so he kills them, all of them, even the children, and the queen who is no longer a queen falls in love with him even more for it (aww, he's crying, I love sensitive men!), meanwhile, Obi-Wan discovers someone has commissioned a clone army consisting of clones of Boba Fetts father (yippeee! Just when we needed an army a miracle happens and it turns out someone who probably had ill intent comissioned us an army! Thank the force! We shall accept it without question and use it to start a war against those who disagree with us), not long later the clone wars break out, the opening battle of which takes place in... a giant gladiator style arena... okay, the war rages on for years, the grown up nine year old boy marries the girl who was previously an elected queen, she gets pregnant and he constantly tells her how wonderful she is and how much he loved her, then he dreams about her dying and decides to turn to the darkside, after a couple of second of feeling the power of the darkside, he decides it would be fun to kill some kids and does so, his wife finds out about this and gets freaks (funny, last time he killed a bunch of kids, she seemed cool with it), she gets mad and tells him to stop, so he kills her, fogetting his intention was to save her, his best friend come along and tries to kill him, but instead just cripples him by cutting off 75% of his limbs, then leaving him to catch fire and slowing sink into a lake of lava while burning to death (aw, brotherly love at its finest), fortunately he is saved by the new Emporer who takes him home and slaps a tight black leather suit over his charred body (kinky) and keeps him as his evil henchmen, hoping one day he will be good enough to stars as the villian of some decent sci-fi movies. Meanwhile, his wife who was previously an elected queen has barely survived his attempt to kill her and is going into labor, she gives birth to two babies who she doesn't deem worthy enough to live for, and despite having nothing physically wrong with her, promptly dies? You mean that story?

Yeah, it's brilliant! If only they could have had some halfway decent actors to pull it off...

Skyjedi said:

"When JJ Left Alias and Lost in other hands the quality of the shows suffered.  Their first seasons were brilliant."

I really have a hard time finding much of anything in Lost season one that was all that worthwhile. It is good in retrospect, but for the most part it just felt like a silly soap opera version of survivor with a few mysteries thrown into the mix, which probably would have had lame answers. Back then they said that by the end of the show, everything will have scientific answers. After Abrams left they kicked that idea out and let it be a fullout sci-fi show. For my part, I think it is now the best sci-fi show currently on the air.

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I rather like Lost. I don't think it tries to pretend it is smart at all. J.J. freely admits that when they created Lost, that the idea was to make a show full of intrique and mystery. It was never intended to trick people into thinking it is smarter than it is. The current show runners often mention in the podcast how hard it is to do the show, because their fans are so much smarter than they are. The fans will comb all the fine little details and seek and find hints where none were intended by the creators to be found.

J.J. has not been involved with Lost since season one, since then, he has mentioned not being the biggest fan of the directions it has taken. IMHO, season one was nothing above average. Season two, post J.J. is when I really started to like the show. 

I think some of you guys seriously just complain to hell about anything. I can see complaining about taking an original show that stood on its own for a long time and has a huge loyal fanbase, then bending it and twisting it as you like for marketing purposes. But now you bash Lost, a unique show that, like it or hate it, stands on its own quite well and is by far, again IMHO, one of the best original sci-fi shows to hit the airwaves in a very, very, very long time. Like it or hate it, but the show has a lot of merit.

See how far this thing is going? I am one of the harshest critics around here, a skeptic over just about every thing out there. Just read through my posts, I am one of the ones others always tell, give it a chance, calm down, get over it. Some of you have taken this so far, now I find myself nearly on the other side fo the aisle. Not because I have changed, I am still where I was, but because some of you are taking it to the extreme and beyond.  

skyjedi2005 said:

Yeah too bad it is based on the hated prequels...

Ack! It is still amazing. It is not like it represents any of the bad things from the PT. I thought the buildings and architexture where pretty cool. Hey, and at least the thing isn't CG.

Tiptup said:

 This behavior that worships the Star Trek universe in its current state reminds me of the idiots that worship the Star Wars universe after the prequels came out. People that devote themselves to either are loving something that isn't all that great anymore.

Good comparison. I guess my feelings on the matter is that even old wrinkled whores deserve retirement and some degree of respect. Having been involved in a long term love affair with this whore since I was quite young, and having had a good deal of attatchment to her, I feel she deserves a good deal more respect that she is getting. And it is not so much that this old hag of a whore wants to come out of retirement, as it is her pimp is making her go out there and earn them a few more bucks. Even going as far as to force her to have plastic surgey, so she can pass as young again and attract the horny little boys and girls.

Bottom line is, while she may have been a self respect lacking whore for much of her life, she was a damn fine whore and deserve better treatment than this. Some of you don't see that. Her pimp doesn't see that. J.J. doesn't see that. They just see her as a whore like any other. And that is truely ashame, she may very well have been the greatest whore who ever lived! Such a great whore they wouldn't let her retire, kept saying, "Just a few more years, baby." Finally, after years of hard work they let her retire, and now, they are telling her she has to go back to work. I cannot abide that! Can you? Does that not weigh on your consciences, you sick and depraved generation?

Too me it has just always made sense for Dagobah to be white. It is an extremely boggy planet. Every scene we see on the planet, we have a massive amount of fog. With so much fog there would be no greenish tint. Planet isn't even that green, it is more brown like. I would have always expected a clear Dagobah to look more brown like than green like from space, perhaps more of a nasty brownish puke green than anything else. When I saw Dagobah on the ROTS deleted scene I could not help but think it was WAY too green.

But seriously, when flying over the ocean in an airplane on a cloudy day, how much of a "blue" tint do you see the clouds having due to the ocean down there under them someplace? You don't, you see a sheet of white. When they originally made it white, they had that in mind, and I feel they knew what they were doing. I have always imagined Dagobah having a pretty constant fog covering all the time, and everything we see in ESB seems to support this. Also, I that bluish tint as the atmosphere of the planet has been universal, every planet in the OT has that if I am not mistaken.

Out of all the complaints I have heard about ESB over the years, "All the dang planets look exactly alike!" has never been one of them.

This is obviously just a phase, it'll pass as it become old and tired. Which it is already beginning to do. Since the nineties with films like Jurassic Park, movie maker have begun to really wow people with special effect. IMHO, Jurassic Park used them very well, not to show off, but as a tool to telling the story. Somewhere along the line, it feels like a of film makers have started going crazy with the special effects to a degree were they take priority way above story telling. I have an older relative who loves going to the movies, so he is often the one we'd turn to to ask, "Is that movie worth seeing?" and it got to one point were he gave the same review for almost every film, "Eh, wasn't very good, but the special effects were excellent! Worth going to see it for those alone!" The problem is, special effects have taken a huge leap from the eighties to present, but they are old news now. It is not that they are still improving by leaps and bounds, in fact, my feelings are that they are beginning to look pretty cheap.

It also feels like a way for story tellers to get a bit ridiulous and lazy. You now have situations were things that were way beyond the realm of possibilty are now very possible, but some of these things are so fantastic and so silly, it just looks weird to see them happening in a lve action film based in the world we live in. Indy IV with the man eating ants and the monkeys are a good example. In the past a film maker wanting to do something like that would be grounded to reality by not being able to pull it off, now sky is the limit. You can do ridiculous things like that and wow some people with your amazing special effects, while breaking the suspension of disbelief for others. "Okay, there are giant vicious man eating ants carrying people away, what am I watching? The Mummy?" You really can take things too far, and we are doing it all the time now.

Hunter6 said:

You have two universes-
1.) The Trek A Universe which is the Universe of all past Trek (TOS, TNG,DS9, VOY, ENT and the past 10 movies).

2.) The Trek B Universe which is the JJ Abrams Star Trek Universe.

Now, Nero is not really travels back in time in the Trek A Universe time-line. Nero is leaves the Trek A Universe and goes to the Trek B Universe. Trek B Universe is an alternate timeline which was made by own Nero actions. If Elder Spock leaves Trek A Universe to stop Nero actions in Trek B Universe then Elder Spock is damaging the time-line of Trek B Universe which was made by Nero actions. This is some thing that a character like the Elder Spock would think of. Also a character like the Elder Spock would know about the Many Worlds theory. The Many Worlds theory is the theory that anything thing we do, there are alternate action Universes and there uncountable alternate action Universes. Trek B Universe would just be one other alternate action Universes. The Elder Spock going to Trek B Universe and stopping Nero would be like going to the Mirror Universe and changing the history. A character like The Elder Spock would know that traveling to Trek B Universe is a bad idea, specially seeing like Bob Orci said that his own Trek A Universe continues normally.

 

I don't know anything about the story line, but what I am getting from your post is that Nero is the bad guy, he goes back in time to screw things up, and so Spock goes back to stop him. Even if it is a different time line that will not mess with time line A, it is still filled with real people whose lives may be adversely effected by Nero's actions, where if Spock can undo what Nero has done and stop him from doing more damage, then the time line should continue pretty much like it did in time line A. But if Nero is left to do as he pleases, then there is no telling what kind of a nightmare universe he could shift time line B into. 

Hmm, didn't Voyager and Enterprise both suggest that there was some secret intergalactic unit that policed time and space to prevent stuff like this from happening? I guess that too is out the window.

Yeah, that opera house is fantastic. I have always dreamed of doing something like this someday, never considered doing anything that elaborate, but now the gears are turning...

Good to know.

That is a really cool concept, not so much the SW theme (though it is pretty cool), but just the idea of building a mini cinema like that.

LOL, your post cracks me up man. When you say "You expected that? Come on!" I can only assume you are refering to me saying, "it didn't have to live up to the originals, it just had to be good..."

Why is it so unreasonable for them to have been halfway decent movies? Why is that a "you expected that? Come on!" As if wishing for a movie to be enjoyable is too much.

Seriously, I said this in another thread, I will say it again, I really think there is some sort of a movement in which crappiness is becoming something to be proud of, becoming the "in" thing. I foresee a grim future for entertainment, "Oh, this is so fantastic I love it!!! It is so amazing, so... so... so... mediocre!!!", "... this movie is not without its faults, it was wonderfully written, wonderfully acted, wonderfully directed, wonderfully filmed, wonderfully executed in every way. All in all, it was just too damn good, and for that, I have to give it... two thumbs down! There was a lot of potential there, but in the end it really managed to disappoint, it just wasn't near crappy enough."

I know, I have really been wanting to know that same thing too (about the Lego demo). I bet just about anything they didn't change a thing on the discs, it would cost them a lot in having to reauthor the disc just to remove something from them. I think a lot of other movie releases that have game demos on them don't bother to change with future releases, unless of course they are reauthoring the DVD anyway to add more content or the like.

adywan said:

Well TFN can go f**k themselves. I have just got banned with no reason even given. I did nothing over at those boards apart from defending someone who didn't like my edit and was being attacked for saying he didn't. I wasn't aggressive in any manor. Now they're trying to make out that i'm not adywan but in fact the guy who started the argument

The mods there can stick their pathetic site so far up their arse that they'll be able to clean their teeth with it.

LOL, sorry to hear about that Ady. One thing I absolutely love about TFN is that you never have to come up with any arguments against them or reasons to dislike them. When somebody asks, "So, why don't you like TFN?" all you have to do is tell them to go visit the site. TFN does a freaken fantastic job of proving themselves to be the asses they are.

It is kind of funny you got banned for defending a guy who was ragging on your own edit... :D

Maybe they knew it really was you and couldn't wait to give you what for, kind of a "No one sits higher than the king!" sort of thing. I mean, you really did out do LFL with the whole Revisited thing.

I love how they simply cannot manage to make good quality products. All six movies, taking up little shelf space and looking great side by side... err... crap! Anybody notice the spines?

Seriously, how do some of you guys constantly insist on defending LFL when they constantly make silly blunders like this. I can already hear it, "Oh, come on, it doesn't matter that the logos are in different positions! You're too picky, give us a break!!! You intolerant old fossil!" (I am starting to feel pretty sure crap quailty and being proud of it is a post-modernist trend).

I was kind of bored today and was flipping through the pages of this thread. Came across a fun discussion predicting the then next gen consoles, now current gen. Kind of amusing reading that stuff now that we are living it. Feels kind of like time traveling. Anyway, somewhere back in 2005, while talking about Playstation SW game, The Masters of Teras Kasi and how it was a bit crappy, Chaltab said...

Darth Chaltab said:Still, I'd like to play it a few minutes just to finally see a 3D Mara Jade in motion and such.

I can't understand why there has been only ONE game with Mara Jade in it, and a crappy one at that.

Even though this comment was made almost four years ago, being that Chaltab is still around, I thought I'd chime in and mention that Mara Jade stars in the fairly uncommon expansion to Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, called Mysteries of the Sith (which is definitely worth tracking down a copy of). In that game Kyle Katarn meets and befriends Mara Jade, then he goes on to be seduced by the darkside after the first few levels of the game. From that point in the game on you play as Mara. She eventually saves Kyle from the darkside, which is why in the beginning of Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast Kyle, no longer trusting himself with the force and the temptation of the darkside, has given up using the force and gone back to being an awesome gun toting mercenary. He only decides to go back and seek formal training from Luke's Jedi Academy™ after his partner is kidnapped (though he believe she was killed) by a Sith. Ah, good old Kyle, give up the force to avoid the darkside, then decide it is time to pick it up again to seek revenge...

Mara also appeared in Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds, I believe.

rcb said:

You already knew what to expect, somewat, of TPM.

No, we didn't! Seriously, there was NO excuse for the PT to suck as bad as they did. It didn't have to be slapstick and over the top, full of bad acting and even worse directing, didn't have to be done like that at all. Some real writers and a real director could have made this thing turn out completely different, and no doubt for the better. Can't keep using the stupid excuse of, "What, did you expect it to live up to the originals?" That isn't the point, it didn't have to live up to the originals, it just had to be good, and it wasn't.

We have to stop making lame excuses for mediocracy. Modern society is doing way too much of that.