Shamook has uploaded an amazing Tarkin deepfake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CXMb_MO3aw
People complained when Mando kept getting side tracked all season, and now that he actually just goes to his destination people complain it was too quick.
Personally I like that they’re moving the story along after so many self-contained episodes, and I really liked the interactions between Din and Boba Fett.
However one thing that really bugs me is why did Din never put his jetpack back on? Seems like it was very obviously done as a contrived way to not have him chase after the Dark Troopers when they kidnap Grogu. Even on Nevarro he doesn’t have it, did he just leave it behind or did I miss something?
Yeah I was thinking it could be a potential improvement to add to an eventual V2 if it comes about.
The only KoR voice line where something about it sounds off to me personally (no offense to the VA) is “Solo’s Wookie.” on Passana (Though I agree it’s the best option from Axlanian’s project). And it’s an important line because it’s the first time the KoR speak in this edit. Maybe pitching it down would make it better.
I love the lines though, they definitely help give them a semblance of character & stand out from the nameless Praetorian guards in this & the previous film.
Personally I’m really happy to see what’s clearly meant to be the early signs that lead to Snoke and the First Order. Just what we’ve seen so far has already offered a much needed & satisfying bridge between the end of RotJ & the conflict in the Sequel Trilogy that has puzzled us since 2015. We’re seeing first hand the “ashes of the Empire” from which the First Order rose, and we’re seeing the early attempts to create disfigured, force sensitive beings, so we can finally put two and two together.
The series won’t shift it’s focus to become a lead up to the Sequel Trilogy, it’s still the story of Din & the child first and foremost, but it fits to show things that relate to the Sequel Trilogy, just as much as the constant nods to stuff from the Original Trilogy, the Prequels, the shows etc. I would say it fits even more, considering the period the series takes place in.
It would be an interesting change to see, that moment is meant to dissolve the tension between Zorii and the gang, it’s telling the audience she’s a good guy now. If kept as a reluctant “okay” things would be left more ambiguous up until she [literally] opens herself to Poe. There would still be some tension as she leads them to Babu and lines like “You still don’t trust me, huh?” might work better.
Yes, this is kind of the problem for me. Having Palpatine kill her parents was clearly meant to provide her personal motivation for wanting to kill Palpatine, but they had to make her actually want to avenge them by making her parents sacrifice themselves for her. This is a clear contradiction to how they are presented in TLJ, which, in my opinion, is the more interesting approach. And I just hate how the story goes, “Your parents sold you for drinking money” to “No, your parents actually loved and died for you!”
I wholeheartedly agree. If you’re going through the trouble of keeping Rey a nobody, you should also maintain the core point behind this revelation in TLJ.
The thing she has to overcome isn’t just that her parents weren’t anybody important, but that they were filthy drunks that didn’t care about her. The whole point was Rey needs to move past her fixation over them, which was a big struggle for her not only in TLJ but also in TFA.
When Kylo says they were “filthy junk traders who sold you off for drinking money”, he’s just saying aloud what Rey already knows, so suddenly making her parents noble and heroic contradicts Rey’s own beliefs and nullifies her inner struggle. TRoS already has themes of family being something that goes beyond blood relation, with Rey even taking on the Skywalker name by the end, so there really is no point in clearing her parents name.
Really excited it has all come together! And I’m glad I could add a bit to help too. Now the saga is truly complete!
I’m done with the sync to the latest workprint for the Spanish subtitles. I’ll begin working on English/French as soon as I can.
I don’t mind tweaking things further if any worthwhile changes come about.
I really hope the broken saber can come to fruition, it would be a really big improvement/fix to continuity.
So I assume this latest workprint could be considered sync-locked? If so I could start working on the subtitles.
However (this critisism is not aimed at you or the edit) the more I watch the ‘Wedge’ shot, the more it annoys me!
On first viewing it was nice to see a familiar face…but as time has gone on his line ‘nice flying Lando’ really starts to irritate…
What is ‘nice flying’ exactly? A few rolls of the Falcon on it’s horizontal axis…in wide open space?
C’mon…we’ve seen that ship impressively navigate through some seriously tight spaces in it’s time, so I’m not sure a basic roll is anything worth gushing over (especially from someone like Wedge who just so happens to be a seasoned fighter pilot?)
That line is a callback to Lando’s first scene, where Rey tells him Leia needs pilots but he refuses saying “My flying days are long gone”.
It’s not hard to assume Wedge also knew Lando had “retired” from piloting a long while ago, so him saying “Nice flying Lando” is more of a “You still got it”. It’s a reminder that Lando hadn’t taken the pilot seat in a long time, and an acknowledgement that he has accepted the call that he refused back on Passana.
The idea that the Sith Eternal were able to create a completely normal & functional younger clone of Palpatine who goes on to become a loving husband & father just seems silly to me, considering all we see them achieve on the film amounts to a decaying corpse barely held together by machinery and Palpatine’s spirit, and apparently the creation of Snoke, another disfigured monstrosity. These aren’t the fancy installations on Kamino, they’re the wretched dark experiments of an evil cult. This “backstory” is just a convoluted mess that has no basis on what we see on the film.
Replacing the “Snokes” with Palpatines works even better to paint the picture of a cult working tirelessly with the sole purpose of barely maintaining Palpatine alive. There is no room to raise a clone “son” on this “secret world of the Sith”.
To be fair it is hinted in the movie that Palpatine casted his son aside because he wasn’t force sensitive. He sent Ochi after Rey because he “sensed her power” and didn’t hesitate to kill his son. And he mocks Rey telling her she’s “Weak, like your parents”.
Palpatine is obsessed with power so it makes sense he would have no interest in his own son if he had no force sensitivity, until he senses he has a super baby daughter. Him being a “failed clone” is pretty dumb and convoluted though, it just feels like something they made up later to avoid the implications of giving Palpatine a literal son.
It didn’t sound right to me to abruptly cut off Poe mid-line the way it is delivered.
And I didn’t hear anything that sounded super fitting in that battlefront clip. 😕
I imagined that was the case, still maybe it could be mixed with another short line. I like it’s purpose as a reminder of the cannons blow up = ships blow up thing.
I think the idea to keep the “Hit those underbelly cannons” would work fine if someone could record some lines like “aye aye” or “roger that” to follow it up so that the “every … is a world saved” can be trimmed off smoothly.
I think the line works either way.
It’s either “I know where she’s going”, we wonder how he knows, and then we see that the KoR are tracking Ochi’s ship.
Or we see the KoR are tracking the ship, and then we see Kylo knows this.
Either way gives us a sense that Kylo and the KoR are working together, it’s so seamless that the first time I watched one of the early workprints I didn’t remember that scene came so much later originally and it just made sense to me that’s what he was referring to.
You could argue he doesn’t really know where she’s going yet, but he’s waiting for the intel from the KoR which he gets in a latter scene, so what he’s saying is true, from a certain point of view. He knows the KoR are still on her track.
And it even works to soften the awkward moment where he lets them get away on Passana, as now it’s clear he has a plan. In the original film it’s not made clear if the KoR decide to track them on their own and if Kylo knew this, now it’s clear they are working together.
I wonder if maybe reintroducing the Wedge shot at the end could let us cut away from the extended shot right before it gets particularly problematic from an audio perspective with the squadrons.
And Poe can still say “hit those underbelly cannons” via comm.
It would make sense to keep that line, it served to remind the audience of the “shoot the cannons = ships blow up” plan at the point where it comes to fruition.
And like I said I like the small Wedge cameo paired up with all the other ship cameos and all the other voice comm interactions. I hope it can be worked back in.
Rose also says hitting the cannons might ignite the SD’s main reactors, it’s the only reason they think they have a shot against the fleet.
Also I really liked how the Wedge cameo blended with the added comms chatter, where as it felt random originally.
Why would they follow some random stranger when there’s urgency to get to the Falcon? Originally it’s because they’re spotted, and the random stranger kills a stormtrooper to help them.
You could keep that bit and remove “alert the local troops” from the Kylo scene, but with the stormtrooper identifying them the necklace thing would be pointless.
For the trooper lines which are still in the air I think something simple would work, it shouldn’t try to be too witty or referential.
Just to throw something out:
Rey’s struggle with the dark side is one of the few things that carry over well from TLJ, “You went straight to the dark” and all that.
The payoff being “it’s because you’re a Palpatine so it was just your evil genes” is pretty dull though.
On Kijimi, the KoR step into frame and the apparent leader says, “Palpatine wants the girl alive. Kill the rest.”
Since no one has mentioned it I need to point out that when we’re on Kijimi Palpatine still (supposedly) wants Rey dead. And during the force bond duel Kylo implies he sent Ochi to kill her. “Why would he want to kill a child?” etc.
The reveal that he wants her alive comes long after, when Finn talks to D-O on Ajan Kloss, and he discovers Ochi was actually supposed to take Rey to Palpatine alive, which for some reason we’re supposed to take as Palpatine still wanting her alive(?).
And this idea is only cemented once Rey reaches Exegol and Palpatine says “I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here”.
Point is that line doesn’t make sense at that point in the story, Palpatine is supposed to want Rey dead, while Kylo wants to turn her, and the Knights of Ren are working for Kylo, not Palpatine, he is their Leader, they only turn to Palpatine when Ben “betrays” them by turning to the light.
“Kylo wants the girl alive, kill the rest” would make much more sense at that point in the story. It doesn’t spoil the “reveal”, it works with what Kylo says in Passana, “I don’t want to have to kill you”, and it would be an opportunity to show Kylo’s bond with his Knights, as he trusts them enough to tell them his real plan, while he tells the people at the board room they’re going “hunting for the scavenger”. This would add more tragedy to their eventual duel, giving it a real sense of betrayal.
“Palpatine wants the girl alive” works to the opposite effect, making it seem the KoR are privy to more information than Kylo, since he believes Palpatine wants her dead, so it makes it seem like they had a direct link to Palpatine and were working on their own, always ready or planning to turn on Kylo. I don’t like this personally, we’ve seen enough bad guys plotting to betray their Masters, it would be more interesting to have the Leader betray his Knights, a bittersweet tragedy that results from his turn to the light.
Okay, this was definitely an oversight. I have taken the “Kylo Ren” from a different line and inserted it where “Palpatine” was. I’ve created two variations, one of “Kylo” and one of “Kylo Ren” for each of the two voices. Those can be found here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10VFVNbzmrhoEyi1arUgYzctnWnbFHFZw?usp=sharing
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- Finn: “People are rising up all over the galaxy.”
Personally I hate that line, it comes out of nowhere and it makes no sense. Wasn’t Lando supposed to rile up people from all over the galaxy who’d “fight if they lead them”? They even hammer the point that “They’re not a navy, sir. It’s just… people”. So where do all of these other people come from who could rise up and take down First Order Star Destroyers all over the galaxy?
I think the idea for the montage probably was that everyone who helped on Exegol went back to free their own world after, but they didn’t have anything to give it context, and so they (very obviously) tacked on the line on this scene, it’s like Finn’s narrating what’s gonna happen next even though everyone is still on Exegol, and the timing of the line is also really odd, they’re talking about Rey being alive and Finn suddenly brings it up.
I think a possible solution would be to alter or replace Finn’s line to imply he’s talking about the fleet on Exegol. Maybe to something like “The people are rising up, Poe. We did it”. It would be more like he’s reflecting on what they’ve done while subtly giving context to the upcoming montage.
Burbin, you’re absolutely right. Thanks! I’ll see about one of the other two line options for that.
I know you said you didn’t want to cut and mix the KoR dialogue, but I do feel “Palpatine wants the girl alive. Kill the rest” was the strongest line of the three options, and maybe you could consider taking “Kylo Ren” from “Kylo Ren’s little pet is close” or another unused line to replace “Palpatine”, making it “Kylo Ren wants the girl alive. Kill the rest”.
On Kijimi, the KoR step into frame and the apparent leader says, “Palpatine wants the girl alive. Kill the rest.”
Since no one has mentioned it I need to point out that when we’re on Kijimi Palpatine still (supposedly) wants Rey dead. And during the force bond duel Kylo implies he sent Ochi to kill her. “Why would he want to kill a child?” etc.
The reveal that he wants her alive comes long after, when Finn talks to D-O on Ajan Kloss, and he discovers Ochi was actually supposed to take Rey to Palpatine alive, which for some reason we’re supposed to take as Palpatine still wanting her alive(?).
And this idea is only cemented once Rey reaches Exegol and Palpatine says “I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here”.
Point is that line doesn’t make sense at that point in the story, Palpatine is supposed to want Rey dead, while Kylo wants to turn her, and the Knights of Ren are working for Kylo, not Palpatine, he is their Leader, they only turn to Palpatine when Ben “betrays” them by turning to the light.
“Kylo wants the girl alive, kill the rest” would make much more sense at that point in the story. It doesn’t spoil the “reveal”, it works with what Kylo says in Passana, “I don’t want to have to kill you”, and it would be an opportunity to show Kylo’s bond with his Knights, as he trusts them enough to tell them his real plan, while he tells the people at the board room they’re going “hunting for the scavenger”. This would add more tragedy to their eventual duel, giving it a real sense of betrayal.
“Palpatine wants the girl alive” works to the opposite effect, making it seem the KoR are privy to more information than Kylo, since he believes Palpatine wants her dead, so it makes it seem like they had a direct link to Palpatine and were working on their own, always ready or planning to turn on Kylo. I don’t like this personally, we’ve seen enough bad guys plotting to betray their Masters, it would be more interesting to have the Leader betray his Knights, a bittersweet tragedy that results from his turn to the light.