Brewzter

Jar Jar Bricks said:
Anyways, to answer your question directly, I believe that the writers really missed the mark by having Ben Solo die in the end. It would have been much more compelling for Ben’s character arc in the sequels to be a foil (opposite) of Anakin’s in the prequels - beginning in darkness, rising above it, and living on after his transformation to restore light to the galaxy with a certain Palpatine by his side, if you know what I mean.

It would have allowed Anakin to have an indirect but crucial role in the storyline, and we all know this saga is supposed to be about him. His legacy being something Kylo revered in TFA was a good decision.

Couldn’t agree more.

Is there an ETA on the crackling saber? I’ve just been chilling on starting my edit until that’s ready

Movies Remastered said:

I shared this 9 months ago but tweaked it a bit since https://vimeo.com/430129301

I really like this, thanks for sharing!

TestingOutTheTest said:

Knight of Kalee said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

@Hal 9000 The scavenger clothing is part of who Rey is, why would we want to take that away?

Isn’t this the entire lifestyle Rey wanted to run away from and associated with her being worthless? 😕

The “scavenger clothing” thing was something I found on the cantina subreddit in defense of Rey wearing that style of clothing in TRoS.

I’ll copy and paste a great relevant post from the cantina sub I saved awhile ago from u/ludwigritcher752:

In The Force Awakens (2015), we learn that, 30 years after the events of Return Of The Jedi (1983), Han and Leia are now separated due to what happened to between Luke and Ben (without knowing what Luke actually did). Han became the famous smuggler again and Leia went back to her political and military occupations, becoming a general. When their relationship was broken, both returned to what they were before they met for the first time.

Assuming that the heart of the Sequel Trilogy is the relationship/romance between Rey and Kylo, Han and Leia relationship in the Sequel Trilogy is almost a “foreshadowing” of what was going to happen between the heroine and the villain, specially between The Last Jedi (2017) and The Rise Of Skywalker (2019), or at least is a very good rhyme.

At the end of The Last Jedi (2017), after the development of a deeper and more intimate dynamic between Rey and Kylo, Rey closes the door on him. They broke up. The idea that, when a couple brakes up, they both return to what they were before their first met plays again with Kylo and Rey.

In The Rise Of Skywalker (2019), Kylo reconstructs his mask (symbolizing that he is now the same Kylo that we met at the beginning of The Force Awakens) and Rey has now a very similar outfit and haircut to her TFA look when we first met her in Jakku.

Even the idea of Ben coming home in The Rise Of Skywalker mirrors with Han’s own situation in The Force Awakens, when Maz says to him “Go home” and responds “Leia doesn’t want to see me”. Han and Kylo feelings are pretty much the same: they don’t believe that they will be accepted again. In the case of Kylo in The Rise Of Skywalker, this works with both Leia and Rey.

We all criticize how J.J. brought back Kylo’s mask and Rey’s three buns and how this contradicts what Rian established in The Last Jedi, but there’s nothing we can do about it and the best thing we can do is to trying to make sense out of it and making the Sequel Trilogy more consistent. Intentionally or not, I think this idea works pretty well.

And then a great comment by u/Pyramaniac:

Destroying the mask doesn’t contradict TLJ. Destroying the mask was out of frustration of being a knock off and failure to live up to Vader, not necessarily to let the past die. When Kylo said let the past die, he meant the Jedi, the Sith, the Empire of Old, etc. and make the future his way, a new order as per his vision.

He resurrected the mask because he felt confident that he could live up to Vader in turning Rey dark and killing Palpatine. He openly told Palpatine twice that he’d kill him after being subservient to Snoke, and actually succeeded in turning Rey to the dark side before Leia turned him back.

We openly see Kylo calmly and contently embracing Vader’s mask, as opposed to in TFA where he was anxious and insecure.

There are multiple ways to interpret it. In 7, he clung to the past. In 8, he was hell-bent on killing it, which Totally lost him the fight with Luke. In 9, he found balance with the past and was a new man. Did you see how he wiped the floor with Rey?

The mask was like working out a muscle. It was weak in 7, Got ripped in 8, and grew bigger in 9.

In 7, he tried to hide behind the mask as much as possible. In 9, he took it on and off as he pleased.

Rian Johnson himself even said breaking the mask didn’t represent letting the past die.

Nothing got contradicted at all, the mask just went in a direction that flew over everyone’s head.

These movies are clever as HELL. That’s why people don’t understand them and complain.

I actually included this post and comment in a cantina post I made where I collected all of the visual parallels, themes, etc. in TROS that helped me appreciate it (DM me if you want a link to the post), so I’ll include my comment I put below it:

I’ve always liked how Kylo’s journey with Vader’s legacy is symbolized through his mask. He worships Vader’s mask and makes his own, but then he forgets about Vader’s and destroys his own when Snoke tells her he hasn’t lived up to the legacy. However, after encountering Vader’s master a year later who tells him he can not only live up to Vader but surpass him, he feels confident in himself and brings out Vader’s mask to meditate on it again which inspires him to reforge his own, even stronger now with the Sith metal Sarassian iron used as the glue.

Edit: Forgot to include the post and not just the comment lol

I’m confused on the sparking part. It makes sense to me to add it sparking out after Palpatine’s death, implying that she buries the sabers because that event destroyed them, but why would it spark out too during the duel with Kylo? Wouldn’t that imply it breaks there and then it would somehow be fixed off-screen for the Exegol scene?

sherlockpotter said:

Brewzter said:

In the final scene of TFA, the Falcon approaches the island from this angle which lines up with how the TLJ VD map shows the ship parked on that coast. The map shows Luke’s X-Wing on the far left side of the island from this orientation- in TROS, the establishing shot of the island shows Rey burning Kylo’s ship in the same area of the island. Let’s call this spot the “inlet” as the TLJ VD does. Since Rey hears Luke first start lifting the X-Wing while she’s digging the Wayfinder out of Kylo’s ship and then is able to run over in-time to see it lifted, that further confirms that she burnt Kylo’s ship right at the inlet. Next, the TLJ VD map shows that the temple cliff where Luke dies is also directly next to the inlet. I checked the TLJ novelization which says that he’s watching a sunset as he dies, not a sunrise, which means the suns must set in the direction the inlet is facing. Since the original TROS shows the remaining sunlight in the establishing shot coming from that direction, it lines up with the novelization saying this occurs at sunset. At the end of the Ahch-To scene when Luke lifts his X-Wing from the ocean, he’s facing the ocean from the inlet and the sun rises behind him, which again confirms our now well-established sense of geography.

First off, that’s an insane amount of detail you had to track, so mad props to you for that.

I think the current goal of the scene is for Rey to arrive on Ahch-To at night, start burning the ship, then have the heart to heart with Luke, grab the lightsaber, and get out of there. In which case, as you said, “the sun rises behind [Luke]…when [he] lifts his X-Wing from the ocean.” So aren’t we good? I feel like the time of day/night still matches up.

It’s just a weird sequence of events. In the film, the whole thing seems to happen at midday over the course of about an hour. In the novel, doesn’t it say that it takes place from dusk to dawn (while they’re also under a time crunch)? So, does it take place during the day, or during the night? Is the film “canon,” or is the novel?

I think Neverar’s grade feels best in terms of visually tracking the passage of time, and also symbolically. So that has my vote, once those last new nitpicks are ironed out.

Thanks! It was definitely maddening at one point trying to make sense of it all haha.

And yeah I believe the current plan for Ascendant is for Rey to arrive in the early morning and then have the events on the island take place over the course of a couple of hours as the suns rise throughout the scenes. What I was proposing is to tweak the edit to follow what the novelization says, which is that she arrived in the evening, talked with Luke, slept overnight, then got the Wayfinder, and finally left in the morning. Given the location of the suns in the sky when she arrives and then when she leaves, this is actually shown in the movie, but I’m pretty sure it was just an oversight by the filmmakers and they intended it to be early morning to sunrise. Someone in the Story Group probably took notice and then just had it fixed in the novelization to say she was there overnight. Since I like this version more anyway, my idea was to just clarify it, but it might be a little tricky since the movie literally shows her starting to leave the hut to go get the Wayfinder immediately. I totally get why most people don’t want to see Ascendant attempt to include this, but I’ll definitely be trying to work it this way in my own edit 😃

Oooh I’m interested in this, I really like BTS stuff, especially for Star Wars. I’d love a link when it’s completed!

I agree that the update looks really good. Even as it is, I think the edit can be interpreted in the canonical way I suggested. With the darkened hut scene Neverar just provided (that I apparently missed the first time lol) I may just be able to accomplish what I want to see in my own edit. In any case I’m glad to just get the idea out there. Thanks for the link to the hut clip, Nev!

I’ve given myself such a headache over this.

I grabbed my copy of the TROS novelization and reread the Ahch-To chapter; it specifies that Rey arrived in the evening as the suns were setting and, after talking to Luke and receiving Leia’s saber, Luke had Rey sleep through the night to rest before heading off. When she woke in the morning, Kylo’s ship was now smoldering. Rey went and retrieved the Wayfinder from Kylo’s ship, watched Luke lift his X-Wing from the ocean as the suns rose, then set course for Exegol.

So what I propose is that we slightly tweak the edit, and here’s why:

The visual dictionary for TLJ contains a map of the island:

https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2018/03/star-wars-last-jedi-visual-dictionary-temple-island-interior-page.jpg

As you can see, the map depicts a bird’s eye view oriented with the bottom coast being the one we see in the TROS establishing shot of the island (which most shots of the island through the three films are also from). Here’s proof:

In the final scene of TFA, the Falcon approaches the island from this angle which lines up with how the TLJ VD map shows the ship parked on that coast. The map shows Luke’s X-Wing on the far left side of the island from this orientation- in TROS, the establishing shot of the island shows Rey burning Kylo’s ship in the same area of the island. Let’s call this spot the “inlet” as the TLJ VD does. Since Rey hears Luke first start lifting the X-Wing while she’s digging the Wayfinder out of Kylo’s ship and then is able to run over in-time to see it lifted, that further confirms that she burnt Kylo’s ship right at the inlet. Next, the TLJ VD map shows that the temple cliff where Luke dies is also directly next to the inlet. I checked the TLJ novelization which says that he’s watching a sunset as he dies, not a sunrise, which means the suns must set in the direction the inlet is facing. Since the original TROS shows the remaining sunlight in the establishing shot coming from that direction, it lines up with the novelization saying this occurs at sunset. At the end of the Ahch-To scene when Luke lifts his X-Wing from the ocean, he’s facing the ocean from the inlet and the sun rises behind him, which again confirms our now well-established sense of geography.

Sorry if that was dense and confusing, but what I’m trying to say is that in the current state of Neverar’s edit, we’re assuming that we’re seeing the break of dawn, and then as the scene goes on, the suns rise and Rey leaves. If we slightly tweaked this, it would not only be more accurate to the other two movies, but it would make the passage of time clearer AND accurate to what the novelization clarifies. Here’s what would need to be changed:

-We now know that the sun is setting instead of rising at the start of the scene, so leaving this the same is more accurate canonically.

-When Luke tells Rey that she has everything she needs, she seemingly starts to leave the hut, and the way the original movie flows, it seems like she just runs to the ship immediately. I assume that this was the filmmakers’ intention and the novelization corrected this since otherwise, the sunrise position would be inaccurate in the first shot. If we simply cut the shot of Rey off right before she takes off (or just cut the entire shot of Rey, Luke finishes his entire line in the shot facing him), it would seem as though Rey stays in the hut, which she canonically does and helps give off the idea she stays the night in the hut to regain her strength.

-The current edit tries to make the scene start at dawn and progress the sun, so the scene progression of establishing shot > Rey burning the ship > Luke’s talk > Hut scene > Lifting the X-Wing gets a bit lighter each time. This could probably be fixed by either slightly lightening the establishing shot or darkening the hut scene.

-I’m not sure how well the scene would flow after trimming the last shot of the Hut scene, so maybe we could add in a new shot of the island here? With the color correction applied, it would help make the transition from late evening to early morning clear. Maybe we could also try a night shot or two to make the passage of night clearer.

-The rest of the edited scene stays the same for Rey retrieving the Wayfinder and Luke lifting the X-Wing at sunrise.

Figuring all this out ended up being a far longer process and comment than I expected haha so thanks for reading this far. As someone who’s passionate about canon, I’d love to see this tweaking realized (hopefully this post doesn’t sound like a demand) and while I can’t do any color correcting myself, I may try to make a mockup of the other changes I suggested.

You mean to imply that Jannah is the stormtrooper and we’re seeing the incident where her entire company refused orders? Interesting idea but I think it would be too obviously from the TFA scene

I wasn’t planning on using this in my edit, but wow your clips look great! I might use them just for the aesthetic and giving the idea that she was there for a decent bit of time. Couple things:

-Could someone remind me what the original intended purpose of having it seem that Rey is on Temple Island for longer is, and

-Does anyone know how long she was canonically there? I thought at some point someone mentioned that the novelization implied she was there for a decent bit of time but I can’t remember

Movies Remastered said:

ThisIsCreation said:

I did. I fully support it. There is a time for jokes and there is a time to shut up, the movie cant let a suspenseful moment exist without a quip!

Here you go https://vimeo.com/431985484 pw fanedit

Nice! I like the original Finn and Poe lines but the Hux part works much better

Holy shit that Chewie scene description! We need that released so bad

new shot from MR to move “T minus five” line to before exiting hyperspace (not sure about this one yet, may leave as original)

What does this mean?

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I have an idea suggestion + a concept of it. There is a shot of Kylo in a surrounding that looks like his chambers on his Star Destroyer in the documentary. If you place it at the beginning of the mind link scene with Rey touching the dagger in his chambers, it makes it look like Kylo is right behind her… only to reveal that he isn’t. And then later on the fight, it appears they are fighting in his quarters while Kylo isn’t actually there, and that they are fighting on Kijimi’s surface while Rey isn’t actually there. So it all makes sense.

It’s a subtle change, but I feel it adds to the intensity of the “jumpscare”, if you will 😃

https://youtu.be/mZZtmKSKhqc

Important clarification: This change is inspired by Fixing Disney Star Wars.

Also, there is a slight audio pop there but that’s just because my editing software is bad. That wouldn’t be there in the final product.

I actually really like this! Works well imo

And I can’t believe I’ve never seen that deleted Kylo/Falcon. Wish it had been included in the original movie

Honestly I think the dice insert works pretty well, it would be better if the glove was black of course but I think it’s a solid mockup right now

Movies Remastered said:

I just found out about the comic strip of Chewie playing with Ben when he was a kid and him having flashback while having a clear headshot in TFA. He then switched to a hip shot because of their connection. I thought that was pretty cool.

It’s such a good headcanon right? Hopefully we eventually see that TROS deleted scene of them together which would be close enough. Cannot imagine why it was cut

krausfadr said:
saying “we’ve become a dyad” ends the possibility of always having been a dyad. Saying “we are a dyad” leaves it open to interpretation in either direction… they could have always been one or recently become one.

Agreed, and personally I prefer the always-dyad

And I’m interested in seeing the “undoing” line making it’s way into the film but I agree it doesn’t really fit the lightning scene. Would be cool to have a clean version of the line to play around with in different placements

IlFanEditore makes a good point about the TROKR comic, I forgot about that moment with Rey! Just went back and reread that scene, love that they included young Rey sensing Ben’s fall as he kills Ren.

In case anyone is curious, I checked the TROS visual dictionary which says little about the dyad, but I did find it does explicitly state that Snoke knew about it, so that confirms Snoke isn’t literally Palpatine’s eyes and ears.

Wookieepedia also says that the dyad was an ancient Sith prophecy (in the same way that the Chosen One was an ancient Jedi prophecy) which predicted the incredible Force bond between two individuals. This was part of Darth Bane’s inspiration for starting the Rule of Two, and the end goal was for a dyad to form between the ultimate Sith. This is sourced by the TROS novelization and man, I’ve gotta give that a reread.

Given that Palpatine believed he was the ultimate Sith whose purpose was to finally destroy the Jedi (which he was right to believe lol), he attempted to form a dyad with Anakin as his apprentice but it of course failed. I think it’s symbolically beautiful that the two final Sith attempted to form a dyad of the Dark but in the end, the grandchild of each were a dyad of the Light.

Plus it’s cool that Palpatine is initially killed as a result of an ancient Jedi prophecy and then, after messing with Dark-side Force powers to cling onto life, was permanently destroyed by the result of an ancient Sith prophecy.

The puppet shot looks great! Can’t believe what you guys are able to accomplish

And just my take but the “become a dyad” line from sherlock sounds seamless to me

RogueLeader said:

It could be along the lines of the theory that Palpatine/Plagueis inadvertently created Anakin/the Chosen One. They thought they could use him, but in the end it was their undoing.

The story group has come out and disproved this many times:

https://imgur.com/a/nwqxEzX

Jar Jar Bricks said:
In my mind, Rian Johnson’s modern take on Star Wars would have been wonderful in its own disconnected trilogy set in the Star Wars universe

Good thing he’s getting his own trilogy with a ton of time to work on it! 😄 can’t wait

Oh I definitely agree that it’s a flaw in the trilogy, but it’s just not one that bothers me. It kinda goes back to what I said a few days ago about how I ignore TLJ flaws and nitpick TROS flaws haha

Jar Jar Bricks said:
but ultimately it just creates problems if Snoke is the one who claims that he bridged their minds.

I’ll always bring up that any issue with this Snoke line and the always-dyad is easily fixed by assuming that Snoke lied which is fully reasonable in my eyes

Maybe I’m missing something obvious but what does changing it from “we’re a dyad in the Force” to “we’ve become a dyad in the Force” accomplish? Like why would it help to imply that they’ve recently become a dyad, especially when it may contradict the “What girl?” line Jar Jar brought up in TFA that implies Kylo has always subconsciously known about her. IDK, I like the always-dyad over the new-dyad because it further reinforces the concept of them being literal soulmates which I really like as someone who likes reylo

Jar Jar Bricks said:

My main concern about having a Shaw ghost is that it would be impossible (at least with my abilities) to revert it back to the way we have it in v1 while still having the crackly saber. And I would want to do that for myself and everyone else who prefers Hayden.

Yeah in my limited editing abilities, I’m not sure how I’m going to handle that scene given that I’m planning on

-LUT applied
-Force ghosts (Hayden version)
-Keeping Leia’s saber blue
-Crackly Anakin’s saber

sherlockpotter said:

I’ve also been discovering that every time I look closely at a scene for this edit, the more issues I find with each scene. That’s on me, I admit it. Can’t imagine that’s healthy.

This is absolutely a real thing, it’s easy to nitpick something you already dislike and blindly love something you like. I’ve experienced it very much with easily ignoring or not noticing glaring flaws in my favorites, TLJ and ROTS, but it took what felt like forever to stop constantly trashing TROS and start appreciating it lol. Even sometimes now I catch myself mentally complaining about the most minor things in it that I would never even think about or consider in other movies. I have suucchhhh mixed feelings on this movie haha