To get off topic just a tiny bit, the first cut was mentioned in a youtube video today from pretty big channel and they mentioned the things that have been added.
Interesting video! Especially since I’ve never looked into edits outside of TROS in the almost year I’ve been involved. Very cool that Ascendant got featured for a bit
I have reached a point where I genuinely dont have it in me to want a different version of TROS. TLJ is incredibly layered, and adds some nuance to star wars, then TROS comes in and we got a goofy adventure.
But I’m not mad over it, this was the same in the original trilogy, ESB is incredible and fantastically layered, and then ROTJ comes in and all sense of tension no longer exists lol. But that’s star wars and I love it all.
I am delighted with the way Hal’s next cut is turning out, I’m excited to watch it and look at it as the definitive cut for the trilogy.
Star wars is a mess, but it’s a lovable mess.
Totally agree. I constantly flip back and forth in my mind if I even want to continue working on my edit, because over time I’ve accepted the movie much more and more and make less and less edits. But for now I just see the edit as a stepping stone to eventually fully liking and being okay with the movie lol. It’ll definitely go the route of the prequels eventually. The plot and characters will be cleaned up by EU content, bad dialogue will become loved for being unintentionally funny, and there will be new content people will hate instead.
So I’m constantly like “Do I even need to do this edit…? I’m pretty okay with the movie at this point” but then immediately remember how much stuff like the color correction, Force ghosts, etc improve the movie for me. So my aim with my edit is to just enhance the movie thats already there without actually changing/removing anything, just adding on or making filmmaking fixes, which is why I’ve been calling it “TROS: Enhanced” in my head.
Not a fan of Solana myself for how obvious the mashup is, but at the same time I just realized the Kylo mashup after years due to your comment lmao so maybe it’s not obvious or maybe I’m just blind
Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeader’s ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?
(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)
I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.
Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.
It’s actually explained well in the book Resistance Reborn by Delilah S Dawson. It seems dumb when randomly referenced in the novelization, but has a lot of emotional implications for Poe, that ROS evidently ignored.
Do you remember when it was in the book? I don’t remember that part and don’t have time to go back and reread the entire thing lol
It’s the overall main plot of the book. The First Order had been capturing the biggest Resistance allies as political prisoners in a wide-scale organized attack, including some notable names from previous books by other authors, and so Poe & Finn go to rescue them on Corellia while the main Resistance hides out on Ryloth and another team acquires new ships from the junkyard planet in Jedi Fallen Order.
It was actually kind of fun with characters from other canon EU stuff (Battlefront 2, Jedi Fallen Order, Bloodline, Aftermath), all coming together to prepare for the final movie (too bad about that, lol).
Ah ok thanks, I read that book before reading most of the rest of canon content so I definitely missed a lot of connections. But it does specifically talk about the First Order blocking the Crait transmissions a lot?
Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeader’s ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?
(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)
I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.
Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.
It’s actually explained well in the book Resistance Reborn by Delilah S Dawson. It seems dumb when randomly referenced in the novelization, but has a lot of emotional implications for Poe, that ROS evidently ignored.
Do you remember when it was in the book? I don’t remember that part and don’t have time to go back and reread the entire thing lol
From TROS novelization:
Thanks to some risky assignments led by Poe, Rey, Finn, and Snap, they’d learned that the First Order had been doggedly perusing their sympathizers, restricting communications, cutting off supply lines, capturing or even assassinating allies. In short, no one had answered the call because very few had even heard it.
Makes me feel sick lmao. It’s probably the biggest retcon I’ve ever heard. The others in this movie I consider clarifications bordering on retcon, but this one is absolutely a retcon.
Interesting… not sure what the point of that even is. I don’t think it’s a hard retcon since like you said Connix says that it was received by “multiple points” not everyone, but still seems like a pointless addition to make nonetheless.
And regarding making the saber crackle, will it be possible for there to be a version where it doesn’t short out? Just the crackly filter the entire time essentially
Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeader’s ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?
(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)
I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.
Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.
Oh really? I don’t think I’ve heard that before that’s interesting. Do you know what the source is?
Edit: double post
Also, what are you going for with the shot of Aftab Ackbar?
I guess I should explain. I wanted to have more shots of aliens throughout the galaxy reacting to the video, but I couldn’t find very many that were long enough or that had neutral enough backgrounds. Then I remembered that for some reason that shot of Aftab Ackbar during the resistance briefing works really well with optical flow, meaning I could make it as long as I wanted, and because he has a relatively simple head shape I could mask him out and put him somewhere else. Problem is I don’t really know how to add light to the shot in a way that makes it look like he’s watching a bright screen, and the background inadvertently makes it look like he’s in a dungeon. But basically, the idea is that he’s in a random place far away, watching Luke’s sacrifice on a screen slightly above eye level and being inspired to join the resistance, which is when we see him next.
Ah ok, that makes sense! Works in canon too since all we know is that he felt pretty down about his dad dying and then joined the Resistance at some point, so I could totally see him joining because of what Luke did
^ Agreed, it’s a bit odd to transition back to that. Just a bit of moving stuff around could make it clearer
Dude that’s awesome! Kinda got chills from it. I don’t think there’s any canon source that states it was broadcast but it works as a strong headcanon that doesn’t contradict anything.
I think it might work better to start showing it as a broadcast before any of the reactions like at Canto Bight are shown, otherwise it’s a bit unclear what’s happening. And I like the idea of the cut-off at the end on his face, but the cuts between different angles make it feel more like a spy movie than Star Wars, so I’m not sure if it would really fit into TROS like that. Are you going to try to implement it in the actual movie somehow, after the crawl maybe? I’m not sure where it could fit in well since I feel like it would need to be the first thing after the crawl but that may be an awkward transition since the crawl always pans down to a ship flying around a planet.
Also, what are you going for with the shot of Aftab Ackbar?
Knight of Kalee said:
The moment where Rey is revived has great music as it currently stands, with a sweet rendition of the combined Rey and Kylo’s themes, so I wouldn’t really want to see it go. Besides, the score suddenly stops before Rey says Ben’s name, which is convenient and useful for changing whatever music goes after without affecting the earlier Rey/Ben theme.
My thoughts exactly, I really like the original score but think it could be even better with a hint of Across the Stars. And like you said about the score cutting off, it’s pretty much asking to be edited haha
Has anyone tried making a version of Rey and Ben’s kiss that has a hint of Across the Stars? I’ve seen versions where it blasts the score, but I was thinking just a nice little part combined with the original score like Hal did with Duel of the Fates in the Kef Bir duel, so it could allude to how Ben reviving Rey was him finishing what Anakin started by saving the woman he loved from death.
I’ll make a mockup soon, but I’m curious if anyone has already tried something similar. I’ll try different placements like when he crawls up to her, when he actually revives her, when they kiss, etc. to see what works best
I just finished my own version if anyone is interested:
During the discussion awhile back about adding in Palpatine’s Fortnite message, there was a version where someone managed to fit in the entire message over the “Somehow, Palpatine returned” scene. Does anyone have it? I can’t find it
Just curious, what do you mean by Force glow? And what would it’s purpose be in your edit
Finally figured it out lol so if anyone is ever struggling with this too just DM me
Does anyone have a comparison between the original color grading of the film and the LUT version? I had one from this thread bookmarked for awhile and now when I try to access it it says
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I’ve been waiting to begin really working on my TROS edit since the crackly saber idea was introduced back in July so I could just wait to start when that was finished, but I’m just gonna stop waiting and finally start it now and it’s whatever if I have to redo it all when that’s finished. My questions:
How do I go about finding the film in the highest quality possible, and then adding skenera’s TROS LUTs to the file so I can begin the edit? I’ve been working with a lower-quality torrent (which is legal AFAIK since I already own the film of course) but haven’t been able to find a very high-quality one to work with. And then I have zero clue how to apply LUTs (or what they actually are beyond the base idea of color grading), is this even possible in iMovie? It’s the only software I know how to use / have available and it’s what I’ve been using for my mock-up clips so far.
Any help would be much appreciated, or if there’s already an edit like this that someone could direct me to that would be even better.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but is there anywhere I can get a version of the original TROS cut in the highest quality possible but with the LUT used in Hal’s Ascendant edit applied to it for editing purposes? If anyone could DM me or point me in the direction of something like this that would be much appreciated.
Is the “Story of Skywalker” line available somewhere?
This sounds really interesting, I think a lot of the decisions like how you’ve handled Han and stuff sound well done. I’d like to take a look for sure if you can PM a link when it’s ready
Hey, all I’m saying is that it is canon that Lando stayed there for 14 years once he was done with the mission with Luke:
“He embarked on a quest to the desert planet of Pasaana with Luke Skywalker to find answers about the growing darkness in the Force, but failed to uncover anything. Seeking to bury the pain of those memories (his daughter), Calrissian settled on Pasaana and led a solitary lifestyle where he was known as the “Hermit” to the native Aki-Aki. He lived alone for some years while keeping contact with the Solo family and was later asked by Organa’s Resistance for his aid in the war against the First Order.” -Wookiepeedia
I was curious about the actual canon statement on this since that section of Wookieepedia doesn’t list a source. I found the appropriate part of his biography section which said a similar thing and sourced the TROS Visual Dictionary, so I went and checked his page. Here’s what it says:
Six years after the tragedy that befell his family, Calrissian served as a partner and guide to Luke Skywalker as the Jedi Master searched for clues to a growing darkness he detected in the Force. Whispers spoke of a resurgent enemy from the past, and Skywalker was determined to find some answers. Had some remnant of the Sith survived? Calrissian’s underworld contacts passed along rumors of a hunter of Sith relics on Pasaana, and while Luke and Lando investigated the world’s deserts they did not find their quarry. Lando, however, did find some peace and a sense of community among the humble Aki-Aki, and decided to stay. Once again shielded from an escalating conflict, he felt he had earned his rest after so much sacrifice.
It then details that he was there for 15 years before TROS. I’m pretty fine with this actually, I didn’t like the original implication that he was just hiding out in his feelings there but it sounds like he was just chilling there in retirement living in a nice warm community.
Three shot version for sure, besides the new shot looking great I think it helps establish to the audience that this is Mustafar but we’re heading to a new area we haven’t seen before.
If you follow the Ascendant thread, you’ll remember my very long comment regarding the geography of Ahch-To and how long Rey was canonically there:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/the-rise-of-skywalker-ascendant-released/id/71835/page/396#1415130
TLDR: Because of a filmmaking error regarding a “sunrise” actually being a sunset, the TROS novelization clarified that Rey actually arrived on the island in the evening and stayed overnight, leaving in the morning (I confirmed all of this with hefty research on the island’s locations, geography, maps, etc.) so my goal is to clarify this in the movie and actually make it fit canon better.
In my version, Rey arrives at dusk, Luke and her chat about fear, Leia, etc., Rey sleeps overnight, she wakes up in the morning, and leaves after Luke lifts the X-Wing.
So I’ve worked with Nev’s recolor of the scenes, inserted some island shots from TLJ along with a shot of Rey sleeping (zoomed in to hide her different outfit a bit), and reworked the Ajan Kloss scenes to further imply the sense of time passing. Ignore/mute the sound because I haven’t done anything with it yet, but here’s the mockup. The only thing I think needs some reworking still is the transition from Rey in the hut to D-O and Finn, which is a bit abrupt.