I would personally just add this one line from the novel from right after his body disappeared š
+1, it makes the most sense and would fit canon nicely
In the regular cut, the voices are fine because The World Between Worlds has already been established but any pre-OT Jedi coming back as physical ghosts doesnāt fit with what weāve seen (excluding Qui-Gon and possibly Ahsoka).
Interestingly enough, the novelization pretty much flat out tells the reader that the voices are coming from the World Between Worlds. Which does mean itās different than Force ghosts. More has to do with potential realities, pasts, and futures.
Didnāt remember this and just checked:
The battle above disappeared. Instead, Rey saw a perfect sky, vast with stars. Peaceful. Light-filled. It was like she was staring through a window to somewhere else, a place between places.
ā¦
More voices came at her fast but gentle, as though she lay at a confluence of the Force, possibilities, futures and pasts all stretching away with her, or maybe leading toward her. The cosmos, time, energy, being- nothing was the way sheād thought it was.
ā¦
Presences filled her aware, some recent, some ancient, some anchored to the living in a strange way. Rey didnāt understand. But she accepted.
Huh. So not only does it basically say this is through the World Between Worlds, but the interesting part is the āsome anchored to the livingā part, which to me clearly seems like them keeping the door open for Ahsoka to still be alive. And if they later decide sheās dead by this point, that can just be taken as being from another Force sensitive at the time. Ezra? Who knows.
Jonh just dropped something out the blueā¦
I saw a comment on the YouTube video saying that Qui-Gon, Ahsoka, and Windu, shouldnāt be there, but in my eyes (as a hard stickler for canon) Qui-Gon and Ahsoka are fine, Windu is just the odd one out. Qui-Gon canonically was able to appear physically to Kenobi by the time of ANH (as per the From a Certain Point of View book for that film) and since every Jedi after Kenobi had become a Force ghost also became one, itās safe to say that Ahsoka would, the only question is if sheās dead or not by the time of TROS (and Dave Filoni has implied/joked that she isnāt :S). And as for Windu, thereās almost no chance he could have become one, but the Story Group could always bend over backward and make it happen if they wanted.
I mentioned this in a comment above, but if we go with the explanation that āOnly Jedi who were taught by Qui-Gon while they were still alive can return as ghosts,ā then we have to exclude Anakin from that group as well. If Anakin can learn after heās died, the other Jedi should be able to too. So I say, the more, the merrier!
I didnāt realize Filoni had already implied that Ahsoka is still alive - that might throw a huge wrench with the upcoming Ahsoka show. jonh - if thereās any way to have the expanded version with the extra Jedi, but a variation without Ahsoka, that would just be incredible!! (And with the purple/crackly lightsaber effects, of course!)
Yeah I think weāve never gotten an answer on that, and the general idea is just that Qui-Gon, Kenobi, and Yoda were able to do it for him for some reason (which Iām totally fine with FWIW). Regarding cutting Ahsoka out then, Iād add Windu to the list too lol
Jonh just dropped something out the blueā¦
Holy shit, I was literally talking to my friend yesterday about how Iād love to eventually see a version with Qui-Gon and Ahsoka added and then it dropped the same day! Hah. Incredible work Jon, would love to include this version in my edit if you release it.
I saw a comment on the YouTube video saying that Qui-Gon, Ahsoka, and Windu, shouldnāt be there, but in my eyes (as a hard stickler for canon) Qui-Gon and Ahsoka are fine, Windu is just the odd one out. Qui-Gon canonically was able to appear physically to Kenobi by the time of ANH (as per the From a Certain Point of View book for that film) and since every Jedi after Kenobi had become a Force ghost also became one, itās safe to say that Ahsoka would, the only question is if sheās dead or not by the time of TROS (and Dave Filoni has implied/joked that she isnāt :S). And as for Windu, thereās almost no chance he could have become one, but the Story Group could always bend over backward and make it happen if they wanted.
Edit: and if weāre getting really specific then Leia hasnāt physically faded into the Force yet, but it doesnāt really matter since sheās at least dead at this point in the film lol.
But yeah, great work on the clip! š Wasnāt expecting this at all, what a nice surprise.
Wow that Ahch-To shot is great, totally using it. Hopefully we got more from both of these series!
Could I have a link please? Thanks!
Has anyone rescored the Ajan Kloss celebration at the end? Iām looking to remove the Force theme but Iām not sure what track to replace it with
They were pickling Snokes that far back, when Vader was alive?
Not only that, but the Sith fleet was already in heavy production. It shows at least āhundredsā of them completed or near-completed as well as the building-sized chunk of kyber that Palpatine has been using to fuel each shipās canon. Itās interesting because while the Death Star just used regular, light-side attuned by default kyber crystals and Starkiller Base used itās (well, Ilumās) core of light-side kyber, it shows that somehow Palpatine has bled the entire āmountainā of kyber to the dark side and has his minions continuing to torture it with weapons, so itās screaming loudly and Ochi can barely handle being in the room.
Itās a fascinating issue
Ah ok, I like it but tbf I love almost everything about TLJ ĀÆ\(ć)/ĀÆ
Also I just finished my first version at adding a bit of Across the Stars to Rey and Benās kiss, Iām just struggling a bit to have it blend in and out seamlessly:
Yeah isnāt the entire point of that line that when Snoke says āAnd now he KILLS his true enemy!ā heās so caught up in arrogance that he thinks Kylo is about to kill Rey and doesnāt even notice Anakinās saber turning toward him because heās the actual true enemy
Hollyyyyyy shit, if Snoke is the canon Luuke thatās insane. I just saw a reddit comment I really liked regarding this:
I was just thinking it kind of deepens the idea that Kylo is trapped by the Skywalker legacy even when he ran away after the Temple incident. It would mean he unwittingly traded a flawed but well-meaning Luke for the openly manipulative and abusive Luuke, and Snoke is all the worst things about Luke that Kylo saw or imagined, so the ātrue enemyā line and continued build-up of hatred towards Luke could hit a little harder (especially if we ever find out that Kylo learns of this from Palpatine on Exegol in a parallel to this comic scene).
-u/jord839
I get where both of youāre coming from, but in the film it doesnāt look like Leia is directly responsible for Kylo Renās redemption. I believe Iāve seen an idea or headcanon that Leia Force-projected that image of Han? Has this been experimented with yet?
That goes beyond just our heads and is actually whatās canon AFAIK š
Iāll get to trying that soon, Iāve been working through the film in order while editing it and just started the Battle of Exegol today.
What ROTS track are you trying to put in?
Battle of the Heroes. Starts at 1:30 and ends at 1:57 with Rey pulling in the Skywalker lightsaber and declaring herself as āall the Jediā.
Iām interested to see how that goes, Iām currently putting Battle of the Heroes overtop of the Kef Bir duel, itās incredible how fitting it is
Maybe the extended trailer shot of Kyloās ship flying toward Rey? Iām not sure if that was used in this edit or not. But it could show that heās arrived and will be there soon
What ROTS track are you trying to put in?
If you follow the Ascendant thread, youāll remember my very long comment regarding the geography of Ahch-To and how long Rey was canonically there:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/the-rise-of-skywalker-ascendant-released/id/71835/page/396#1415130
TLDR: Because of a filmmaking error regarding a āsunriseā actually being a sunset, the TROS novelization clarified that Rey actually arrived on the island in the evening and stayed overnight, leaving in the morning (I confirmed all of this with hefty research on the islandās locations, geography, maps, etc.) so my goal is to clarify this in the movie and actually make it fit canon better.
In my version, Rey arrives at dusk, Luke and her chat about fear, Leia, etc., Rey sleeps overnight, she wakes up in the morning, and leaves after Luke lifts the X-Wing.
So Iāve worked with Nevās recolor of the scenes, inserted some island shots from TLJ along with a shot of Rey sleeping (zoomed in to hide her different outfit a bit), and reworked the Ajan Kloss scenes to further imply the sense of time passing. Ignore/mute the sound because I havenāt done anything with it yet, but hereās the mockup. The only thing I think needs some reworking still is the transition from Rey in the hut to D-O and Finn, which is a bit abrupt.
Update on this: Iāve now worked out some audio to go with it. I started the clip at the end of the scene so it would fit on Vimeo, but you can check the link my previous post to see how the first part is set up.
Iām not sure how improve the transition from the hut scene back to Ajan Kloss (especially since it opens with D-O loudly rumaging through toolsā¦). but Iām pretty happy with the transition Iāve made from Ajan Kloss back to Ahch-To. The new audio is just a slowed/reverbed version of Reyās theme I found, but Iām curious if anyone has a suggestion that could fit better.
Hereās the update: https://vimeo.com/541141295
Testing is right. That is actually his true form. The ROTS novelization describes it as the āface of Darth Sidiousā or something. He decides at that moment that it could be advantageous to keep it that way since it would appear that he was injured by the Jedi.
ROTS novelization isnāt canon though lol. But like you said, I think itās more likely that heās just physically revealing his true form finally (especially with the bonus of looking like Windu messed him up) since we see him use lightning or plunge into the dark side in The Clone Wars multiple times and it never deforms him or Dooku.
I was thinking about this earlier. Shouldnāt the cloned palpatine faces in the liquid vats shown early in the film be younger versions of him and not disfigured?
Because Reyās father was a clone of palpatine and was obviously show to be young. Unless Iām not remembering something correctly.
His ugly face is his real form. Itās why he doesnāt turn young when he sucks up Rey and Benās life force, and why he turns into that abomination in RotS.
Have we ever gotten a concrete answer on this in canon? I feel like itās always been up to interpretation whether the deformity was from having his lightning reflected back, or if he was physically transforming now that he was finally shedding his innocent chancellor disguise. Same way I think itās up to interpretation whether Windu actually defeated Palpatine in a duel or if Palpatine threw it for the sake of manipulating Anakin
To get off topic just a tiny bit, the first cut was mentioned in a youtube video today from pretty big channel and they mentioned the things that have been added.
Interesting video! Especially since Iāve never looked into edits outside of TROS in the almost year Iāve been involved. Very cool that Ascendant got featured for a bit
I have reached a point where I genuinely dont have it in me to want a different version of TROS. TLJ is incredibly layered, and adds some nuance to star wars, then TROS comes in and we got a goofy adventure.
But Iām not mad over it, this was the same in the original trilogy, ESB is incredible and fantastically layered, and then ROTJ comes in and all sense of tension no longer exists lol. But thatās star wars and I love it all.
I am delighted with the way Halās next cut is turning out, Iām excited to watch it and look at it as the definitive cut for the trilogy.
Star wars is a mess, but itās a lovable mess.
Totally agree. I constantly flip back and forth in my mind if I even want to continue working on my edit, because over time Iāve accepted the movie much more and more and make less and less edits. But for now I just see the edit as a stepping stone to eventually fully liking and being okay with the movie lol. Itāll definitely go the route of the prequels eventually. The plot and characters will be cleaned up by EU content, bad dialogue will become loved for being unintentionally funny, and there will be new content people will hate instead.
So Iām constantly like āDo I even need to do this editā¦? Iām pretty okay with the movie at this pointā but then immediately remember how much stuff like the color correction, Force ghosts, etc improve the movie for me. So my aim with my edit is to just enhance the movie thats already there without actually changing/removing anything, just adding on or making filmmaking fixes, which is why Iāve been calling it āTROS: Enhancedā in my head.
Not a fan of Solana myself for how obvious the mashup is, but at the same time I just realized the Kylo mashup after years due to your comment lmao so maybe itās not obvious or maybe Iām just blind
Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeaderās ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?
(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)
I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.
Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.
Itās actually explained well in the book Resistance Reborn by Delilah S Dawson. It seems dumb when randomly referenced in the novelization, but has a lot of emotional implications for Poe, that ROS evidently ignored.
Do you remember when it was in the book? I donāt remember that part and donāt have time to go back and reread the entire thing lol
Itās the overall main plot of the book. The First Order had been capturing the biggest Resistance allies as political prisoners in a wide-scale organized attack, including some notable names from previous books by other authors, and so Poe & Finn go to rescue them on Corellia while the main Resistance hides out on Ryloth and another team acquires new ships from the junkyard planet in Jedi Fallen Order.
It was actually kind of fun with characters from other canon EU stuff (Battlefront 2, Jedi Fallen Order, Bloodline, Aftermath), all coming together to prepare for the final movie (too bad about that, lol).
Ah ok thanks, I read that book before reading most of the rest of canon content so I definitely missed a lot of connections. But it does specifically talk about the First Order blocking the Crait transmissions a lot?
Hey Hal, are you interested in using RogueLeaderās ideas for Kijimi in Ascendant too? About having it be mid-Civil War with people fighting stormtroopers off in the distance?
(Slight deviation from the Dagger discussions, I know.)
I would be interested in some spray paintings of Luke Skywalker on the walls.
Side note: I cannot get over the fact that the official canon explanation for why nobody came to help on Crait was that the First Order cut communication lines. Like, bruh. The whole point of the movie is that everyone was hopeless until Luke shows up.
Itās actually explained well in the book Resistance Reborn by Delilah S Dawson. It seems dumb when randomly referenced in the novelization, but has a lot of emotional implications for Poe, that ROS evidently ignored.
Do you remember when it was in the book? I donāt remember that part and donāt have time to go back and reread the entire thing lol
From TROS novelization:
Thanks to some risky assignments led by Poe, Rey, Finn, and Snap, theyād learned that the First Order had been doggedly perusing their sympathizers, restricting communications, cutting off supply lines, capturing or even assassinating allies. In short, no one had answered the call because very few had even heard it.
Makes me feel sick lmao. Itās probably the biggest retcon Iāve ever heard. The others in this movie I consider clarifications bordering on retcon, but this one is absolutely a retcon.
Interestingā¦ not sure what the point of that even is. I donāt think itās a hard retcon since like you said Connix says that it was received by āmultiple pointsā not everyone, but still seems like a pointless addition to make nonetheless.
And regarding making the saber crackle, will it be possible for there to be a version where it doesnāt short out? Just the crackly filter the entire time essentially