Alec Guinness did say at the time that the Battle of Yavin ran about five minutes too long.
I can’t believe he saw SW Revisited and had that to say about it. What a critic.
this is getting out of hand, now there are duplicate posts
Hey, Bobson! I think you’re on to something cool here, and a bunch of the clips look fantastic so far, but I think you’re using certain bits in ways that aren’t quite accurate. For example, I think that bit with the probe coming to camera through the flames isn’t supposed to be right after it crashes. I think it’s pretty clearly the scene from the script where the Probot wipes out a Rebel outpost before Han and Chewie are sent out to deal with it. I think that’s why the wreckage is pretty clear in frame. The actual destruction of the base is off-screen in the fifth draft, and the shot of the aftermath that it describes is almost exactly like this shot from the eBook.
And right you are! After looking at the 4th and 5th draft, and seeing this line, looks like the probe does attack an outpost.
The “Trooper Voice” is missing in the final cut, but there is around 7 seconds where I could dub the voice back if I could. I think it would slot right back in, and then with the clip of the Probot firing right after.
Secondly, I think your edit of the Echo Base Wampa attack is a bit wonky on the continuity. Granted, the footage as presented isn’t exactly the most easy stuff to work with, but I think it’s very clear to see the shot from the finished film of the ice crumbling onto R2’s head is what segued into the wall collapsing, and then lead to him getting locked in the corridor. The scene of him peaking from the wall occurs during the troopers fighting the Wampa off in the script, and at this point I would say having the sound of the Wampa being defeated over this shot is probably the best bet with the available footage. It’s hard to say if the scene’s scripted finale, with the Wampa being defeated by some large gattling-gun style blaster, was ever filmed, but my money is on no.
And one last thing, I think a lot of the shots of the actual Wampa suit during the attack scene were probably shot just for safety. The script describes quick snippets all until you see the corpse on the floor at the very end.
I honestly might just cut the whole thing, I think there is enough set up with the shot during the Han/Leia argument and C-3PO mentioning the ice monster in the Medical Bay. The Wampa attack just doesn’t have a real conclusion, it just needed like 2 shots of the soldier firing the Bazooka and the Wampa going down. I could dub the scene or something but it’s hard to work with the very limited footage.
Good luck on this! I think you may try perusing the sound effects wiki for the sound design question. In 1979, Burtt would still be using stock effects as well as his own recordings.
I didn’t know about this website but it’s very helpful
https://soundeffects.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:Episode_V-The_Empire_Strikes_Back(1980)/Sound_Effects_Used/Alphabetically
I’ve also got a whole stack of SFX I got from ‘The Sounds of Star Wars’ book which I’ve already used to mix a few things.
What is the 1999 opening?
The opening of the movie, set in 1999
Also do we have a list of changes?
Longer scene with Dr Wu in 1999, a scene after Tony threatens the Mandarin on TV with Dr Wu watching it on TV, and a longer ending with Wu talking to JARVIS and his assisant about the surgery.
I’ve got the boxset and it’s only a portion of the full ending. There’s still about 2 or 3 other scenes that appear dotted through the rest of the film. One is in the 1999 opening, and the other two are elsewhere, I forget the specifics.
And also an quick integration of the deleted moment into the full scene
Wow, that is a really impressive attempt.
Thank you! It’ll just need some more individual and specific colour fixes before I’m happy with it. I’m shocked it turned out so well for a rough pass.
A bit of fun, here’s what the first frame looked like with only my paint on it.
An attempt at using EBsynth and After Effect’s colour blending to colourise the alternate Han/Leia Kiss
To: Bobson Dugnutt
I feel that you should release the deleted-scenes only, as you did for ‘Star Wars: Leftovers’, without doing an extended edit.
I’m sure that you have a lot of other projects that you want to do, so let someone else use the collection of deleted scenes to produce their own polished fan-edit of ESB.
😉
Are you going to use the bounty hunter footage, from the 40th Anniversary videos?
Annoyingly, there’s a lot of missing frames, that’s impossible to fix.
A pity, as the scene would fit in nicely with the surrounding material.
I’ve started using the standard Renegade Grindhouse and it’s a pretty good fit for the dallies and deleted scenes.
Here’s some new comparison shots and a regraded version of the MedBay scene
I’ve been using D+80 for the time being, but I know I’ll have to swap it for something. What’s the best project or scan to use that roughly matches up with the quality of the deleted scenes? I’m leaning towards something like the Fuji Grindhouse or something but I’m not an expert on ESB scans like I am with SW
ADDITIONS (so far)
Extended Han/Leia kiss? 😉
It’s in B/W, so I’ll probably save it for a 2nd version of this project. But yes I do like that alt version of the scene.
Thank goodness the most important section, “OK, hotshot!” is in color.
It’s in one of the 40th Anniversary videos which is good, but it could be tricky cutting it into the long take.
ADDITIONS (so far)
Extended Han/Leia kiss? 😉
It’s in B/W, so I’ll probably save it for a 2nd version of this project. But yes I do like that alt version of the scene.
Do we know what dialogue was intended for the Wampa attack?
There’s only one line of dialogue, and that comes at the end of the scene, so I could dub it if I wanted to considering their mouths are off screen.
I’m really impressed that there’s as much material for the Wampa stuff as you even have here!
Yeah there’s shocking a lot of the unused Wampa footage out there. There’s a longer version of Luke escaping the cave that I probably use but is very cool.
This is really cool to see! What sources have you been pulling from so far?
Deleted Scenes from the 2011 set, Rinzler eBook, Empire of Dreams, 40th Anniversary Videos, Michel Parbot Making of, Sounds of Star Wars book, Evolution of the Lightsaber Duel, trailers, 2004 DVD Outtakes, and anything else I can get my hands on.
A slow work in progress of an extended cut of ESB. There’s a lot of stuff out there from a lot of sources, so I’m not 100% on exactly what I will and won’t use. I’ve finished a pass most of the Hoth section of the film so far.
Extended Opening
https://vimeo.com/692903101
Extended Medical Bay
https://vimeo.com/690488443
Han/Leia Arguemnt
https://vimeo.com/692906633
Rough Wampa Attack (almost no sound mix)
https://vimeo.com/689887320
Obviously none of these clips are 100% finished yet, and the sound design (more than anything) needs a lot of work as most deleted clips are silent or have an extremely minimilist sound mix using only on-set audio. If anyone wan’t to help out with sound design, I’d be more than happy to work with you.
ADDITIONS (so far)
With all of those scenes back, the film runs at 2:09:22 vs the theatrical 2:04:54. Obviously there is going to be more additions and trims and all that to get the deleted scenes and moments to all work as best I can.
I plan on making one version with the finished colour scene, and another with the unfinished B/W ones, since there is a lot of interesting stuff in these exclusively monochromatic scenes.
Also this print isn’t matted fir 1.33.1 it’s actually a wider and taller aspect ratio than that
I can’t wait to see all the boom mics and matte boxes in frame
Once you buy and download it through iTunes, you can use a DRM removal tool like TunesKit, and then you’ll have a workable m4v file to do with as you please.
Darth telly said:
I hate piracy
Here you go.
Has anyone reuploaded the full deleted reel since? It would be great to see this alt. version of the scenes which look to be less damaged than the Blu-Ray scenes.
Any Plex posters?
Any posters for Plex?
There’s an “iTunes” cover included. I’d imagine that’d work best.
I think this TikTok Text-to-Speech thing might just be the most worthwhile breakthrough we’ve had since the invention of the NLE.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more…
The bloopers are partially on the Ep3 2020 disc, but they’ve been cropped and have been re-encoded to 30fps or something because there is some significantly bad ghosting. I’ve never heard of it being on iTunes before though, but I’d love to see it if it is
I’d absolutely pitch in a few bucks too to go towards this scan!
I’m after the deleted calamari pilot shot so if anyone else takes this on would you mind sharing?
I did a quick DNR pass at the footage and it doesn’t look half bad
Still needs dirt and scratches cleaned, but if you give me a specific clip or segement to work on, I can give it a shot
I might check those guys out. Do they have any websites or profiles I can look at?
You can message either one of those guys right here on this forum. Willarob has done many Bond pictures, Star Wars films, and everything inbetween. TomArrow (or LucasGodzilla here on OT) does a lot of varied work as well, and I’ve donated to prints scanned by both of them with exceptional quality.
