It's not science fiction, science fiction is fiction about science.
Space opera etc.
Father Skywalker said:
OneCentSky said:
Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.
What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??
I'm sorry, it's out now, I'll try to breathe the words back in but I'm afraid it's all too late.
There's nothing newtonian about how spaceships behave in star wars.
I wish people would stop acting as if they disagree when really they don't.
Isn't that exactly what it does already?
The story itself is a tragedy.
Too bad it doesn't show all that well through the cheesy oneliners, bad acting and poor writing.
msycamore said:
Yes, I guess it makes sense as there's no temptation and no seduction, the force seems to operate on a light switch. Just get him angry and he has joined the dark side. I expected more than this simplification of the force after ESB. To me, even the little foreshadowing scene in the cave sequence in ESB had more depth than all these throne room scenes together.
This had all worked much, much better if we had actually seen any traces of conflict within Luke, but as it stands he enters the picture as the white knight already and is dead set against killing Vader, he only senses good within his father, instead Vader/Anakin is the one that is conflicted. I did enjoy these scenes but I do think they seem much better to some than they actually are because everything else we are shown is quite mediocre. The space battle is pretty, I give you that.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
and the emperor's plan to turn Luke makes little sense (particularly since he is telling Luke his plan).
It's funny that they'll add fake noise to the CGI to blend it better with the film, and then remove it now.
Oh George.
One of my major gripes with the current releases is the lightsaber replacement. The originals are beautiful. I certainly hope they do nothing with them except reinstate the originals.
That said, I'm not fundamentally opposed to improving the film if it actually *improves* the film rather than simply changing or even degrading it for no reason. There are a lot of the original effects that just don't fly. The original mos eisley escape being a notable one. That's one of the few CGI scenes from the special edition I really enjoy.
The new mos eisley reveal shot also is quite beautiful, and is another of my special edition favorites. It's clearer and much more realistic than the original muddy image.
If those were the only kind of "improvements" made to the film, I wouldn't mind. Although the unaltered versions should of course be an option no matter what.
That in itself is one of the better strokes of genius in the PT.
The problem is that it's some pretty shitty science as it's still pretty much a mystery how on earth midichlorians effect the force.
The same thing could probably have been accomplished sticking to the energy field explanation, and be made to make more sense too.
It's never really clear how much time passes. But it doesn't seem to be that long.
:P It's even dirtier in ROTJ though. The only time it's ever really shiny is ESB.
Yeah, as I said it coasts on the material established by ESB. Without that connection the story simply wouldn't have worked.
Yeah I'll have to say the main reason I didn't like ESB as much was because it dragged on with dialogue scenes in the middle that I couldn't understand anyway. :(
Didn't we just have a thread about this at the top of this page?
Easterhay said:
Yes, that Lucas has always said it's Kersh's film. And Kersh said when the SE changes were made that the Star Wars films were George's.
It's modesty, pure and simple. An appealing characteristic.
It seems to be backed up by Irvin's commentary on the DVD as well so I don't know.
My mom was watching Star Wars (no ANH that I recall???) on VHS and I kind of joined in. I remember the first thing I ever saw of SW was Obi-wan kneeling down over Luke and calling out to R2. This was the unaltered version, likely with the splice but I can't remember. The box itself was labelled only "Star Wars". Pan&scan, PAL, with pitch correction which is a nice touch. We also had unaltered versions of ESB and ROTJ on VHS, also pan&scan although I do not recall if they had pitch correction as well. English isn't my first language bear in mind, and my mom insisted on getting versions without subtitles (not that I could even read at that point) so for the first very many viewings I did not understand a word of what was said but I still loved watching. I did have my mom translate on the go for me once. That was kind of nice.
After that she got the Special Edition box set. The quality was better obviously and it was in proper cropped widescreen. Had a documentary at the beginning of each film detailing what was improved. Still not so good at english at that point and once again no subtitles, so I didn't notice too many changes although Jabba was indeed hideous and the ESB shuttle insert was wierd.
I also recall seeing the ROTJ special edition in the theater, but the only thing I really remember from that was that I almost pissed my pants because I really really really had to go, but it was during the sail barge action scene and I sure wasn't going to miss that final explosion on the big screen. T'was glorious too!
I also remember that for a long time my current favorite colour was dictated by whichever lightsaber I had last seen in a Star Wars film. :D
They're different films that do different things. I don't think you can say one is better than the other as such.
Easterhay said:
*Someone's going to provide a link now proving that Lucas had very little to do with the film thus putting so much egg on my face.
ROTJ is a decent film. But it largely coasts on just how much awesome material was created for ESB. I think George was right to want a happy ending, I don't think Han dying or anything like that would have added anything to the film.
That said it's kind of a lame conclusion with lots of plotholes.
And I'd certainly more than like to see a sort of alternate universe take where the empire doesn't go down so pathetically easily. I like the dark, desparate struggle shown in ESB, but you can go too far. There needs to be light at the end of the tunnel too. And I guess in that sense ROTJ delivers.
In terms of quality, I'd say it's a pretty linear decline. ROTJ being slightly worse than ESB, TPM worse than ROTJ, AOTC worse than etc.
You_Too said:
When you first look at it you think "Oh, they fixed some of the pink tint and it's less cropped too!" but then if you look closely at the path in the middle:
<img src="http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/970/55962776.png" width="114" height="90" />
See how they made this little part brighter?
Those small changes are enough of a reason to not use the blu-ray for a theatrical HD version.
The more I read these names the more I have to insist that it not be an established director.
Movies these days.
Therefore, directors these days.
O rly?